Remember, I'm human, I don't know a lot of the characters here so if you feel something is overpriced or underpriced, or just doesn't belong, tell me.
Win by any condition except BFR, All characters will be staying on the battlefield.
The maps and missions may vary depending on the fairness of each persons team (If someone picks all Hulks, I won't put the match in space), However matches will be randomized, so plan accordingly.
No single prep device can beat Green Lantern. No single summon can beat New 52 Wonder Woman.
All prep cannot use Time manipulation of any kind.
No Reality Warping
Time can only be slowed, not frozen. Can only increase time to speeds of Lightspeed.
Sentry The man with the power of a million exploding suns.
Super Strength- Fought WB Hulk to a standstill. Ripped Ares in half. This guy is one hell of a powerhouse 100+ tonner.
Super Speed- Capable of light speed travel. His combat speed is also impressive: he arrived on scene and plucked a mid-flight sniper bullet out of the air.
Invulnerability- SHIELD nor Ironman were able to find a physical vulnerability. Most impressive is his ability to resist other supers' powers, notably Rouge, whose absorption powers had no effect on him.
Telepathy-According to Emma Frost, Sentry is one of the most powerful telepaths on earth. He is capable of using it on a planetary level, and has used it to erase all memory of him from Earth. Due to his mental instability, he is forced to use most of his TP to control the Void.
Molecular Manipulation- Sentry can manipulate all matter at a molecular level. Although the upper limits are unknown, he has shown the potential to best Molecule Man in molecular combat/manipulation. He can also use this power to reassemble/heal himself after being disintegrated.
Super Senses- All of Sentry's senses are heightened to peak superhuman levels.
Mental Instability- The vastness of Sentry's powers puts a huge strain on his mind. This has caused him to have mental breakdowns, as demonstrated by his extreme agoraphobia during the WB Hulk fiasco. It should be noted, however, that despite being in the lapse of a mental breakdown, he still fought WB Hulk to a standstill.
Juggernaut "I'm the Juggernaut, b*tch!"
Super Strength- One of the strongest characters in Marvel, Juggernaut has shown to be able to lift 100 tons with ease. He can destroy mountains with his punches and can use the Gem of Cyttorak to amp his strength to immeasurable levels.
Unstoppable- When he wants to move, you are not stopping him. Gaining any momentum in a direction makes it impossible to stop.
Durability- Juggernaut is arguably the most durable characters in comics. Even without using his force field, he can take shots from Thor and other powerhouses with little to no damage.
Force Field- An invisible force field surrounding Juggernaut's body makes him completely invulnerable. He has taken attacks ranging from Thor's God Blast to Hulks strongest punches with no damage. He has even proven immune to Onslaught's (Franklin Richard's) reality warping and Abstracts.
Regeneration- Even if Juggernaut's force field is down (no reason it would be), and he is hit by an attack that is strong enough to overcome his durability, he can regenerate his wounds in mere seconds. At one point he was reduced to a skeleton and completely regenerated in a few seconds.
Armor- His armor is completely immune to physical attacks of any kind. His helmet protects him from telepathic attacks. The armor is available on command, so if any of it happens to get destroyed somehow, Juggernaut can simply summon it anew.
Karate Kid Master of Unarmed Combat
Unarmed Combat- Master of every martial art developed up through the 30th century. His extreme combat precision allows him to simulate super-strength blows. He is even capable of taking on Kyrptonians and Daxamites.
Reaction Time- Fast enough to dodge lightning and lasers.
Flight- Legion Flight Ring allows flight.
Last, but not least.
Amazo The Amazing Android
Power Replication- Amazo is able to use the powers and skills of those around him without limit. He has used this to fully replicate the powers of the Justice League, including Superman, Batman, Martian Manhunter, and Flash, and used these powers to defeat them in battle.
Weapon Duplication- Amazo is capable of replicating the weapons and tools of those around him without limit. He used this to make exact replicas of Wonder Woman's lasso, Green Lantern's power ring, Batman's Batarangs, and Green Arrow's box&arrows.
Starting off every round, Amazo will have the combined powers of Sentry and Juggernaut, as well as the skill of Karate Kid. In addition, he will gain the combined powers/skills of the opposing team.
Angie Spica is the Engineer, a woman whose blood was replaced by nine pints of liquid machinery.
She's able to create technology using her genius level intelect and the nanites in her blood, and by duplicating them or mixing them with particles in the air she can create almost everything, from complex machines to knives. She's very versatile, being able to fly, shoot energy beams or synch with other machines or even use a form of telepathy which she calls radio-telepathy. The only limit to her powers at creating tech with her nanites is given by immagination, and she can also create copies of herself. She doesn't mind killing, since she focuses on the results rather than the means used to achieve them.
Powers and Abilities
Blood Nanites: The Engineers blood has been replaced with 9 pints metallic liquid full of nanobots; tiny machines controlled by her will. She can do almost anything she imagines with her nanobots including adapting to the environment or any other adverse affects that afflict her. Her main use of her nanites are to coat herself in a metal liquid form to allow for better and more complete control over her powers as well as giving her protection.
Shape-Shifting: Her liquid metal form provides her the ability to shift her shape and form as she sees fit, the fluid nature of her nanites.
Plasticity: She can extend and stretch her metallic form with ease.
Adaptive Durability: She usually coats her skin with a layer of metal to protect herself from harm. This ability makes her a being of complete liquid metal allowing her to morph at will. In battle and it's shown to be stronger then that of the first Engineers, allowing her to take direct hits from atomic bombs without sustaining damage.
Self-Sustenance: She is able to modify her own body to survive in space unharmed.
Nanite Fabricating: Visually, her most impressive power is the ability to create almost anything out of the trace elements that exist in the air and soil that surround her, from machine gun hands to literal clones of herself. There really is no limit to what her machines can do other than her imagination.
Self-Duplication: Her body allows her to make an exact duplicate of herself; which she is mental contact with. Each copy possesses the same abilities and knowledge as the original and each can act in conjunction with each other. The Engineer can create up to 82 of these duplicates before her mind starts to dissociate. Angela needs to maintain concentration to actively control the details of what her duplicates do.
Radiotelepathy: These implants were designed and created by the Engineer. They initially resembled tiny flies which implanted themselves painlessly in the recipients temple. The implants allow all the users to use "radiotelepathy", a form of mechanically produced telepathy. The upper range of this communication is unknown, all that is known is that all the members of the Authority were capable of instantaneous communication world wide.
Nanite Infection: Her ability allows her to spread viruses (that can affect both machines and people). She can send it into the body of another to determine how they work physiologically or even to shut down their body or gain some measure of control.
Nanite Disintegration: By extending the nanoload in a sphere from her body as far as it'll go without killing her, she can extrude the machinery out into a web of knives small enough to slip between atoms.
Nanite Knowledge: For all intents and purposes her nanites are a vast repository of information and she is capable of literally storing the knowledge of every book on earth in a drop of her blood.
Nanite Sensors: She has developed an invisible web of atom-sized machine sensors around her, it acts a security field, its highly sensitive to environmental changes.
Telescopic Vision: Enhanced Vision is an individual's ability to perceive things with greater acuity than a normal human being
Technopathy: She has the ability to interface directly with machines using her nanites as connection. She can also interact with computers and accumulate all the data within.
Electrokinesis: Her Technopathy could manifest as a special form of electrical manipulation, a type form of shape-shifting which allows physical interaction with machines.
Flight: Angie can also fly without any visible form of propulsion.
Interstellar Travel: Angie needs to generate massive boosters to attain escape velocity. Once she has she can return to the use of her nanites to drift and propel herself through space. As such she can operate on The Carrier without need for any special equipment.
Kirby
Yes it is that character that beat Majin Buu in Death Battle
Bio
Kirby is a legendary Star Warrior who, according to legend, is fated to save Pop Star from destruction
Kirby lives in his dome-shaped home in Dream Land, a country on his home planet Planet Popstar. His adventures take him throughout Dream Land and occasionally into local star systems for various reasons, and he has saved his homeland several times. Kirby's most unique quality is to inhale opponents and objects to copy their powers. He has an insatiable appetite and can consume an infinite amount due to his stomach being a strange endless dimension. Despite his appearance kirby is very brave so much so that he has fought beings with planetary and near universal power with no hesitation.
Powers and Abilites
Copy Ability: Kirby has the ability to replicate powers by inhaling objects, powers, and opponents. Kirby has shown no real limit to what he can eat. He has eaten magic, energy, stars, ghosts, and even himself.
Spitting: Whatever kirby swallows he can spit it out aswell. Attacks that are spit out are sent back at the oppoenet with the same force and power as the attack was sent to kirby
Stomach dimension: inside kirby he has a dimensional stomach that is endless in size aswell kirby has another stomach where he copies powers and holds enemies and spits them out
Superhuman Strength: Despite kirby's small body he has strength sufficient enough to throw giant monsters over the sun, destroy planets, and hit planet sized monsters into other planets
Durability: Kirby has a resealint body and unique physiology. Kirby seems to have no skeletal system. He has been crushed , stretched, cut, and been on a planet and moon sized explosions without showing any notable damage. Kirby needs no air to breath and can handle the conditions of space with no difficulty.
Intelligence: despite kirby's child minded mentality he is fairly smart. He has been shown to build a fully functional space ship while his body was separated into multiple parts of himself
Items
Star Ship/Warp Star: kirby's primary way of transportation is a star that allows kirby to fly at ftl speeds
Star Rod: The Star Rod is a white rod encircled by red stripes with a glowing star on the tip. It has the ability to shoot star energy and is potently effective against killing beings who are evil, it has destroyed part of the moon as a side effect
Perks
Use Non Standard Gear (Nothing OP) 5 (for kirby): This perk will allow kirby to use items he doesnt normally have on hand with him in his universe.
Hypernova/Miricle Fruit - Eating a Miracle Fruit imbues Kirby with this special ability. After an explosion of energy, Kirby's inhaling has the force of a veritable black hole and shrinks the object or opponent.
Invisibility Crystal - A stone that grants the user the ability to be invisible and phase through things
Galaxia- This is metaknights sword It grants kirby the abilities of metaknight. The sword is sentient and will only deem certain beings worthy of wielding it. Kirby and metaknight have been capable of wielding it.
Love Love Stick - A stick created by Kirby powered by good deeds and happiness. This weapon dispels evil and dark matter.
Magneto's Helmet 3 (This can not be manipulated by anything) (for kirby): Now kirby is immune to mental attacks
Anti Soul Rape Helmet 3 (Think Magneto's Helmet, Only For Soul Rape) (for kirby): kirby's soul is now immune to harm
Anti Transmutation & Matter Manipulation Helmet 4 (So, You Don't Get Turned Into A Frog or Something) (for kirby) : self explainable. This perk will be very beneficial against the Sentry since now he cant use any of his matter manipulation powers against kirby
Team Work
First off kirby and the engineer generally have the same morals, both are good and will do things for the greater good. Both are intergalactic fighters who protect against threats from domestic and non domestic areas. They both aren't afraid to kill. The engineer has done the same. So there should be no issue of them working together and i imagine the engineer would think kirby is cute given she is a female and kirby likes technology so even more reason for them to get along.
Prep
2 Hours Prep At a Place of Your Choosing 5: Now this perk will be what really seals the deal here. The engineer with her superb intelligence and kirby's unique abilities will conjure up alot of hassle for your team in 2 hours.
The prep will take place in The dc universe where the engineer will prepare to bring her ship (The Carrier) to the fight. The Carrier is the base operations of The Authority. (no im not bring the authority to the fight so dont get any ideas)
The main start of their prep within the carrier is kirby gaining powers of the engineer himself by consuming some of her nanobites. So the engineer will be monitoring kirby and showing him how to use the abilities. When kirby replicates powers he is able to master the abilities pretty much instantly despite never using the powers before. So 2 hours is more than enough time for kirby to be able to use the engineers abilities just as good if not better than her.
With the time left in the two hours the engineer will make copies of herself.
The fight
Entering the battle field inside the carrier, kirby and the engineer gaze upon the lush landscape. With the engineers telepathy she scans the area and all its inhabitants.
In the following scan it shows her technopathy can reach a planetary level. She locates asks everyone on the planet a question at the same time.
Kirby having these same abilities and allowing himself to be mentally connected to the engineer they will both be able to detect the opponents (except for maybe juggernaut)
Kirby steps out of carrier upon his warpstar and plans the attack. I dont think anyone on your team is as fast as kirby btw so seeing him coming would be surprising. Especially with his helmet that would keep him from being telepathically hurt or detected.
Combating Amazo
The nanonbites best advantage would possibly be against amazo given that he is a machine im not sure how well he would do against the nanobites in his body constantly trying to react against him. Here she removes the cybernetics from another
The main reason i believe she could counteract amazo is because the engineer took control of the Carrier. The carrier is so technologically advanced that it has multidimensional properties. I dont think amazo is anywhere near that advanced. So he shouldnt be too much of a problem.
Now i have no idea the upper limits of what Amazo can copy but copying kirby just seems kinda far fetched given kirbys magical/mystical properties.
But lets get hypothetical here. Lets say Amazo does copy Kirby and The engineer. That is a risk given the fact if amazo makes duplicates of himself he could possibly get swallowed by kirby since kirby could use hypernova and increase his size with the engineers powers. If kirby swallowed amazo or one of amazo's attacks it would be a chaotic battle. Also if i recall Amazo has been overloaded before.
Aswell Amazo is really really cocky. Infact he was in this scenario too cocky to actually take Batman seriously and thus was attacked. He actually ended up being overwhelmed.
I feel amazo would look at kirby and just think to himself how can this 8 inch pink ball even pose a threat to me and he would probably just go to try to step on kirby or shoot a blast of energy at him which would be his down fall as he would be inhaled, copied, and spit out or cut with glaxaia. You dont have a basic knowledge perk and you cant read the mind of an android (the engineer) or kirby since he has magneto helmet. So you wont know how much of a threat kirby actually can pose. Also can amazo even see invisible foes since kirby has the invisibility crystal?
Also im not sure how great Amazo's durability is. I know he is durable but ive heard he isnt as durable as superman. Aswell he has been injured by lower level characters for instance like Black Canary.
The engineer has sonic weapons that have hurt Captain Atom before. I think it can be enough to harm amazo especially when their are numerous egineers around him using sonic blasts.
The sonic blasts should be enough to atleast stall amazo so that kirby can inhale the powers he sends he is useing and copy them himself
Also Amazo is evil he cant wield galaxia if he tries to copy it from kirby and the star rod wouldnt be as effective against kirby since kirby is good and kirby feeds off of star power.
Combating Sentry
Oh how much i love the sentry but he isnt this good. His matter manipulation is useless here. His biggest trump card is gone due to my perk ability.
How would the sentry even fight kirby? Like he did hulk? By just standing there toe to toe?
Thats not the best tactic especially with the energy sentry gives off. That would just be a feast for kirby to feed on and then gain sentry's abilities. Aswell the engineers clones would be causing sentry trouble.
Also your team has some mixed morals. I find it hard to believe the sentry would be willing to work with Amazo so willingly. Just willing to let Amazo have his powers like that seems so out of character since the sentry is so obsessed with not letting the void get out he wouldnt know how Amazo could handle such power. I can picture the sentry fighting amazo before the match even starts.
Combating Juggernaut
Juggernaut is a massive brick. He is too slow and too dumb to do anything to kirby imo. I can just imagine him running towards kirby while giving a typical speech on how he cant be stopped and how cocky he is and he would just get swallowed and spit out somewhere. Also juggernaut would have to keep himself occupied with numerous engineers attacking him.
Combating Karate Kid
He is nearly fodder compared to kirby. Beaten in all stats expect for maybe h2h skill. I dont see him being able to combat against numerous engineers let alone kirby. Aswell kararte kid doesnt strike me as one to just let Amazo have his powers either since his morals arent the same as Amazos.
Kirby and The Engineers Advantages
You said amazo can copy weapons but majority of the weapons that kirby holds and uses are within his stomach dimension. I dont think Amazo can copy things he cant see that are in a separate dimension. Aswell most of the weapons he has cant be used by just anyone.
Sentry is unstable and cant use his best powers against us. Aswell he spews out energy almost constantly which would be so easy for kirby to swallow.
The engineer's nanobites can slice most of your team at an atomic level
Kirby is probably faster than everyone on your team. Kirby has transferred galaxies at warp speed.
You dont have any knowledge on my team
You have no prepertion
Your team has scattered morals. Sentry and karate kid would be against letting Amazo weild their power knowing that you are a crazed evil android. Im not even sure Juggernaut would allow it since he likes to be the only one who cant be stopped.
There is more ill follow up on in my later posts but this is enough for now. Please feel free to ask for scans if you dont trust things in my posts. Nice to see you are a nice debater so far. Good luck.
I got overzealous and pounded it out my response a little quicker than I expected.
Rebuttal:
The nanonbites best advantage would possibly be against amazo given that he is a machine im not sure how well he would do against the nanobites in his body constantly trying to react against him. Here she removes the cybernetics from another.
The Engineer’s nanobyte’s would not be able to enter Amazo’s body due to the impenetrable forcefield he inherits from Juggernaut. He also has his own nanobots that would be able to attack The Engineer. As a cybernetic being herself, would she be able to combat nano bytes used against her?
Now i have no idea the upper limits of what Amazo can copy but copying kirby just seems kinda far fetched given kirbys magical/mystical properties.
Given that Amazo can copy Wonder Woman’s lasso, which itself is imbued with magical properties, I don’t think copying Kirby or any of his weapons would be far fetched at all.
Also if i recall Amazo has been overloaded before.
I assume you mean overloaded with too many powers. He has had no problems when using powers from Superman, Wonderwoman, Flash, Green Lantern, Batman, Firestorm, Captain Atom, and more. Entire JLA rosters. In the scan I used to introduce him it is exclaimed “By adding more members to the team we might just have turned this cybernetic organism into a god!”
You dont have a basic knowledge perk and you cant read the mind of an android (the engineer) or kirby since he has magneto helmet. So you wont know how much of a threat kirby actually can pose. Also can amazo even see invisible foes since kirby has the invisibility crystal?
Well, Amazo will also have an invisibility stone. But I digress, using it would be limiting for Kirby as he cannot fly with it, and if he’s using his star, that will be very visible. I also remember it having a time limit. Feel free to post scans to contradict this, as most of my Kirby knowledge is from playing the games.
Also im not sure how great Amazo's durability is. I know he is durable but ive heard he isnt as durable as superman. Aswell he has been injured by lower level characters for instance like Black Canary.
The engineer has sonic weapons that have hurt Captain Atom before. I think it can be enough to harm amazo especially when their are numerous egineers around him using sonic blasts.
Regardless of how durable Amazo typically is or has shown to be, in this instance, he is utilizing the durability of Juggernaut and Sentry. As I said above, that gives him Juggernauts forcefield, which has shown to be hit by attacks that scared Galactus (Thor’s God Blast) while taking no damage himself. I am fully confident that nothing The Engineer can cook up, nor any of Kirby’s Star Blasts will have any different result.
This is the level of invincibility we're talking about:
When Thor's normal attacks prove ineffective, he uses a God Blast against Juggernaut. While it manages to push him a little, it really does no damage. This is the same blast that sent Galactus running.
Amazo will inherit this durability, not to mention the molecular re-assembly from Sentry.
Also Amazo is evil he cant wield galaxia if he tries to copy it from kirby and the star rod wouldnt be as effective against kirby since kirby is good and kirby feeds off of star power.
The Star Rod would actually be just as effective in Amazo’s hands. He was able to duplicate the Speed Force and Green Lantern Ring, Star Power should be no different.
Oh how much i love the sentry but he isnt this good. His matter manipulation is useless here. His biggest trump card is gone due to my perk ability.
I disagree. While Kirby is wearing the helmet, The Engineer and her duplicates are not.
1 You said amazo can copy weapons but majority of the weapons that kirby holds and uses are within his stomach dimension. I dont think Amazo can copy things he cant see that are in a separate dimension. Aswell most of the weapons he has cant be used by just anyone.
You’re probably right about not being able to copy the weapons in Kirby’s stomach. Once they are taken out, he should have no issue. Amazo being able to recreate and wield a GL ring proves that he could also wield any other unique weapon he duplicates.
2 Sentry is unstable and cant use his best powers against us. Aswell he spews out energy almost constantly which would be so easy for kirby to swallow.
First off, Sentry does not constantly spew energy. The instability is of his mind, not his powers. You are probably referring to the fight against WBHulk, where he was using his limited powers to the max, hence the spewing of energy. You’re correct about Sentry being unstable. What you are overlooking, however, is that Amazo is not. While he will inherit Sentry’s power, he won’t inherit Robert’s mental state. This makes him immensely powerful and able to outperform Sentry himself.
3 The engineer's nanobites can slice most of your team at an atomic level
That's not true. While the nanobots would be a problem for Karate Kid, Juggernaut and Amazo have an impenetrable forcefield, and Sentry has molecular control, so even if they were able to slice him, he could reconstruct himself. Amazo will also gain the nanobot ability, so I counter your point with the same. How could your team deal with nanobots slicing them at a molecular level?
4 Kirby is probably faster than everyone on your team. Kirby has transferred galaxies at warp speed.
He is faster than half of my team. While his travel speed is very impressive, I would like to see some scans of him reaching FTL speeds in battle. It also seems like he relies on his Warp Star for most of his travel, and Amazo would be able to duplicate that. Additionally, both Sentry, and by extension, Amazo, have shown the ability to travel and react at FTL levels.
Here, Sentry appears and plucks a high powered sniper bullet out of the air:
5 You dont have any knowledge on my team
6 You have no prepertion
This is true. Amazo however, is integrated with the ability to analyze and adapt to metahuman powers/abilities and counter them. The CVwiki compares this to OMACs, giving him knowledge/tactical abilities on par with Batman. During the battle he would be able to quickly come up with a counter strategy to defeat your team.
7 Your team has scattered morals. Sentry and karate kid would be against letting Amazo weild their power knowing that you are a crazed evil android. Im not even sure Juggernaut would allow it since he likes to be the only one who cant be stopped.
Amazo is not truly evil and definitely not crazed, but fulfilling his primary objective of destroying the JLA. Whether it is from his programming, or for self-affirmation for his more advanced upgrades, this has always been the case. It’s pretty sad really. This of course aligns him with evil-doers, but since non of my team is on the JLA, he won’t try to kill them. He’s worked on teams before, as have all the other members of my team. Questioning whether they would allow their or not is pure speculation, as non of them have ever been put in that situation. It’s not like they have a choice either.
Other points:
First off, I would like to question the legitimacy of Kirby’s inhale strategy. I don’t think it will be effective against anyone save Karate Kid. Sentry and by extension, Amazo, have the power to avoid the pull of his inhale. I believe Juggernaut does as well, however it will be easier to debate that inhaling him would have no effect against him. Kirby’s ability to copy relies on storing the enemy in a pocket dimension (is that BFR?), which Cyttorak would TP Juggs out of. This would make Kirby lose his copy ability. They are also able to be knocked out of him by getting hit.
Secondly, I question Kirby’s durability. He has consistently been shown to be severely damaged by mere hammers. All of my team hits significantly harder than a thrown hammer. I severe doubts he would be able to take one punch from Amazo, who will have the combined precision of Karate Kid, whose precision allows him to throw blows that feel like they are coming from someone with super strength, and the strength of Sentry and Juggernaut, who can destroy mountains with their punches. The combined power would be far more than Kirby can take.
The Battle:
At the start, my team will stick together until they are able to identify the enemy.
Combatting Kirby:
As you said, Kirby will quickly approach on his warp star. Sentry and Amazo are capable of reacting to any blitz attempt by Kirby, who is now on his own. As soon as Kirby is in the vicinity, Amazo analyzes and copies Kirby’s abilities, then comes up with a counter for them. Sentry and Amazo will take flight to engage Kirby in the sky. They both have very aggressive fighting styles and will rush him. They will be able to overwhelm Kirby with disintegration blasts and super strength punches. As I stated above, Kirby will be unable to inhale either of them because they are powerful enough to resist the force. If he does manage to, they will simply be knocked out of him by the other punching Kirby in the face (his whole body). This will end quickly either by Sentry ripping him in half Ares style, or by Amazo one-shotting him. To pre-empt your argument about Kirby’s malleability overcoming Sentry ripping him in half, Kirby is only 8 in tall. There is no way he could expand to the 6ft wingspan Sentry would be pulling each half of his body to.
This is also assuming Kirby is being taken on alone, which is an ideal situation for him, as I’ll outline below.
Combatting The Engineer:
The Engineer is pretty much fodder compared to Sentry, Juggernaut, and Amazo. Upon absorbing and analyzing her powers, Amazo will make duplicates of himself. You didn’t say how long the duplication process takes, but lets just say she taking on anywhere from 2-82 Amazos which all have the combined powers/skills of Sentry, Juggernaut, Karate Kid, Kirby, and her. This gives Amazo an insane number of ways to win, from blitzing her, to overwhelming her with nanobots, to reality warping her into a potato. She cannot keep up with the combat speed or power of my team, and her nano bytes will be ineffective due to Amazo and Juggernauts force field, and Sentry’s own energy bursts and molecular resembling.
To Conclude:
I think I have adequately countered your points as well as shown doubts about your teams ability to hang with the powerhouses on my team.
Summary of Points Made:
-Amazo will be able to copy your team’s powers/weapons as well as come up with counters for them.
-Amazo is durable enough to make your attacks ineffective.
-Sentry’s matter manipulation will be effective against The Engineer.
-Amazo will be able to utilize Sentry’s powers on a higher level than the man himself due to not possessing the same mental instabilities.
-By utilizing the precision of Karate Kid with the combined strength of Juggernaut and Sentry, Amazo will be able to deliver enough punishment to KO Kirby.
-My team, save Karate Kid, will be able to effectively resist The Engineer’s nanobots in a variety of ways.
-Both Sentry and Amazo are able to react fast enough to combat and overcome Kirby’s speed.
-Kirby’s inhale ability will be ineffective against Amazo, Sentry, and Juggernaut.
-My team’s lack of prep will not be an issue due to Amazo’s ability to identify and counter any power.
I got overzealous and pounded it out my response a little quicker than I expected.
Rebuttal:
The nanonbites best advantage would possibly be against amazo given that he is a machine im not sure how well he would do against the nanobites in his body constantly trying to react against him. Here she removes the cybernetics from another.
The Engineer’s nanobyte’s would not be able to enter Amazo’s body due to the impenetrable forcefield he inherits from Juggernaut. He also has his own nanobots that would be able to attack The Engineer. As a cybernetic being herself, would she be able to combat nano bytes used against her?
Fair enough on the impenetrable force field bit.
As for his nanobites as i said before the engineer has taken over the carrier with the bots in her body the engineer is a multifimensional sentient ship. Unless Amazos nanobots are capable of combating against something that advanced it isnt likely it would be a problem to the engineer..
Now i have no idea the upper limits of what Amazo can copy but copying kirby just seems kinda far fetched given kirbys magical/mystical properties.
Given that Amazo can copy Wonder Woman’s lasso, which itself is imbued with magical properties, I don’t think copying Kirby or any of his weapons would be far fetched at all.
Wonder Womans lass does not equal kirby's physiology or items. As i said some of the weapons kirby has run on positive emotions and love. Amazo doesnt have that. So he cant use all kirbys items.
You dont have a basic knowledge perk and you cant read the mind of an android (the engineer) or kirby since he has magneto helmet. So you wont know how much of a threat kirby actually can pose. Also can amazo even see invisible foes since kirby has the invisibility crystal?
Well, Amazo will also have an invisibility stone. But I digress, using it would be limiting for Kirby as he cannot fly with it, and if he’s using his star, that will be very visible. I also remember it having a time limit. Feel free to post scans to contradict this, as most of my Kirby knowledge is from playing the games.
Also Amazo is evil he cant wield galaxia if he tries to copy it from kirby and the star rod wouldnt be as effective against kirby since kirby is good and kirby feeds off of star power.
The Star Rod would actually be just as effective in Amazo’s hands. He was able to duplicate the Speed Force and Green Lantern Ring, Star Power should be no different.
Yae he can wield the star rod but using it against kirby is kinda mute since kirby eats and feeds off of star power. It would be alot more effective against kirby if kirby was evil.
Oh how much i love the sentry but he isnt this good. His matter manipulation is useless here. His biggest trump card is gone due to my perk ability.
I disagree. While Kirby is wearing the helmet, The Engineer and her duplicates are not.
The engineer has complete control over her body. I dont think he could manipulate her. She could already affect change on an atomic level and as the Carrier she's shown that she can alter her molecules and all of the Carriers.
1 You said amazo can copy weapons but majority of the weapons that kirby holds and uses are within his stomach dimension. I dont think Amazo can copy things he cant see that are in a separate dimension. Aswell most of the weapons he has cant be used by just anyone.
You’re probably right about not being able to copy the weapons in Kirby’s stomach. Once they are taken out, he should have no issue. Amazo being able to recreate and wield a GL ring proves that he could also wield any other unique weapon he duplicates.
Not all the items kirby uses requires him to take out of his stomach.
Wielding a GL ring doesnt prove he can use any weapon. He has isnt good of heart and doesn't have emotions so he cant power the luv luv stick and dont think he is worthy to wield galaxia.
2 Sentry is unstable and cant use his best powers against us. Aswell he spews out energy almost constantly which would be so easy for kirby to swallow.
First off, Sentry does not constantly spew energy. The instability is of his mind, not his powers. You are probably referring to the fight against WBHulk, where he was using his limited powers to the max, hence the spewing of energy. You’re correct about Sentry being unstable. What you are overlooking, however, is that Amazo is not. While he will inherit Sentry’s power, he won’t inherit Robert’s mental state. This makes him immensely powerful and able to outperform Sentry himself.
Seems kinda contradictory of the rules. If stable minded sentry isnt allowed then why would a character who can be stable minded be allowed to use the sentry's powers? It makes the point of having sentry be unstable pointless. Lukehero said no op sentry.
3 The engineer's nanobites can slice most of your team at an atomic level
That's not true. While the nanobots would be a problem for Karate Kid, Juggernaut and Amazo have an impenetrable forcefield, and Sentry has molecular control, so even if they were able to slice him, he could reconstruct himself. Amazo will also gain the nanobot ability, so I counter your point with the same. How could your team deal with nanobots slicing them at a molecular level?
They can deal with it because they both have atomic level control of their bodies. Also didnt you say Amazo would have the juggernauts impenetrable forcefield around him? How would he release nanobots from his body if he has a impenetrable forcefield surrounding him?
4 Kirby is probably faster than everyone on your team. Kirby has transferred galaxies at warp speed.
He is faster than half of my team. While his travel speed is very impressive, I would like to see some scans of him reaching FTL speeds in battle. It also seems like he relies on his Warp Star for most of his travel, and Amazo would be able to duplicate that. Additionally, both Sentry, and by extension, Amazo, have shown the ability to travel and react at FTL levels.
Here, Sentry appears and plucks a high powered sniper bullet out of the air:
Ive never seen the sentry go faster than light. Please show scans. Also why didnt he go faster than light when fighting the hulk? He could have ended the fight alot quicker and safer if he actually can go ftl.
As for kirby he sent a giant monster over the sun. it took the monster just seconds to reach the sun. It takes light from the sun 8 minutes and 19 seconds to reach earth. So kirby was able to throw the monster ftl. He has fought metaknight who was warping around him and kirby was able to react to it. Meta knight can warp at light speed aswell. He has swallowed and reacted to lazers before they hit him. Kirby triple deluxe and in ssmb.
This is true. Amazo however, is integrated with the ability to analyze and adapt to metahuman powers/abilities and counter them. The CVwiki compares this to OMACs, giving him knowledge/tactical abilities on par with Batman. During the battle he would be able to quickly come up with a counter strategy to defeat your team.
Eh. As ive shown before that didnt help him against batman. Amazo is too cocky and doesnt even use all his powers in character. Ill even post another instance
As you can blatantly see here, Amazo was tagged by both Aquaman and Plastic Man, two characters that aren't even hypersonic in the given forms.
He even sees Plastic Man coming, and fails to evade him. He then has to rely on turning into a tornado to get Plas off, when he should have been able to just fly off.
Once is WIS, twice makes it in character, especially when I have multitudinous other instances to draw from.
Just because he has super speed and analyze abilities , doesn't mean he uses it in character. His speed is far from intractable in this situation.
For all we know Amazo will just try to spam a certain power against kirby like an idiot while not utilizing the other powers he has.
First off, I would like to question the legitimacy of Kirby’s inhale strategy. I don’t think it will be effective against anyone save Karate Kid. Sentry and by extension, Amazo, have the power to avoid the pull of his inhale. I believe Juggernaut does as well, however it will be easier to debate that inhaling him would have no effect against him. Kirby’s ability to copy relies on storing the enemy in a pocket dimension (is that BFR?), which Cyttorak would TP Juggs out of. This would make Kirby lose his copy ability. They are also able to be knocked out of him by getting hit.
We will need feats of Sentry and Amazo resisting a black hole. Not only does hypernova make kirbys mouth used as a black hole but it shrinks the opponent aswell. So we will need to see Sentry, Amazo, and Juggernaut resisting a black hole and having their bodies manipulated by being shrunken in size. Reference Hypernova's Flavor Text • Kirby: Triple Deluxe
No kirby does not have to store enemies in the pocket dimension to copy their powers he can but doesnt have to. He has copied and spit them out before. Check ssmb since i have composite feats.
Secondly, I question Kirby’s durability. He has consistently been shown to be severely damaged by mere hammers. All of my team hits significantly harder than a thrown hammer. I severe doubts he would be able to take one punch from Amazo, who will have the combined precision of Karate Kid, whose precision allows him to throw blows that feel like they are coming from someone with super strength, and the strength of Sentry and Juggernaut, who can destroy mountains with their punches. The combined power would be far more than Kirby can take.
Kirby's durability has too many high tier instances for it to be dismissed.
Kirby at the center of darkmatter's body exploading
At the start, my team will stick together until they are able to identify the enemy.
Combatting Kirby:
As you said, Kirby will quickly approach on his warp star. Sentry and Amazo are capable of reacting to any blitz attempt by Kirby, who is now on his own. As soon as Kirby is in the vicinity, Amazo analyzes and copies Kirby’s abilities, then comes up with a counter for them. Sentry and Amazo will take flight to engage Kirby in the sky. They both have very aggressive fighting styles and will rush him. They will be able to overwhelm Kirby with disintegration blasts and super strength punches. As I stated above, Kirby will be unable to inhale either of them because they are powerful enough to resist the force. If he does manage to, they will simply be knocked out of him by the other punching Kirby in the face (his whole body). This will end quickly either by Sentry ripping him in half Ares style, or by Amazo one-shotting him. To pre-empt your argument about Kirby’s malleability overcoming Sentry ripping him in half, Kirby is only 8 in tall. There is no way he could expand to the 6ft wingspan Sentry would be pulling each half of his body to.
This is also assuming Kirby is being taken on alone, which is an ideal situation for him, as I’ll outline below.
Combatting The Engineer:
The Engineer is pretty much fodder compared to Sentry, Juggernaut, and Amazo. Upon absorbing and analyzing her powers, Amazo will make duplicates of himself. You didn’t say how long the duplication process takes, but lets just say she taking on anywhere from 2-82 Amazos which all have the combined powers/skills of Sentry, Juggernaut, Karate Kid, Kirby, and her. This gives Amazo an insane number of ways to win, from blitzing her, to overwhelming her with nanobots, to reality warping her into a potato. She cannot keep up with the combat speed or power of my team, and her nano bytes will be ineffective due to Amazo and Juggernauts force field, and Sentry’s own energy bursts and molecular resembling.
The engineer clones are to attack with kirby btw. Not just kirby coming in by himself.
Ripping kirby in half wont work since he has the shown to be stretched without any sign of pain and has the engineers powers. He can make his body liquid. Complete control of the bodies size manipulation. So you can stretch kirby all you want. You using energy bursts just and attacks will just allow kirby to swallow your energy and get your powers that way aswell.
See how large the engieer can get. Kirby will be able to get this large aswell and use his hypernova.
Aswell
The engineer isnt fodder. She almost killed Captain Atom.
Both kirby and her can turn microscopic and enter your teams brain. The damage could be done from the inside out. Kirby growing in size or swallowing your insides with the force of a black hole or the engineer going inside and swarming nanbots.
Also what in the world are you doing replicating Amazo? Thats against the rules to have summons greater than New 52 Wonder Woman.
As for his nanobites as i said before the engineer has taken over the carrier with the bots in her body the engineer is a multifimensional sentient ship. Unless Amazos nanobots are capable of combating against something that advanced it isnt likely it would be a problem to the engineer..
The fact that The Engineer’s nanobots have taken over advanced technology is great, but really not applicable here. As you agreed, they will be unable to penetrate Amazo’s forcefield. The nanobots he would be using would be exact copies of The Engineer’s nanobots, so yes, they would be capable of combatting against something that advanced.
Now i have no idea the upper limits of what Amazo can copy but copying kirby just seems kinda far fetched given kirbys magical/mystical properties.
Given that Amazo can copy Wonder Woman’s lasso, which itself is imbued with magical properties, I don’t think copying Kirby or any of his weapons would be far fetched at all.
Wonder Womans lass does not equal kirby's physiology or items. As i said some of the weapons kirby has run on positive emotions and love. Amazo doesnt have that. So he cant use all kirbys items.
Not all the items kirby uses requires him to take out of his stomach.
Wielding a GL ring doesnt prove he can use any weapon. He has isnt good of heart and doesn't have emotions so he cant power the luv luv stick and dont think he is worthy to wield galaxia.
The fact that he can copy something with magical properties is evidence that copying Kirby would yield the same result. Trying to place Kirby as an outlier doesn’t logically work, as Amazo has shown to copy magical properties in the past. As I stated in my last rebuttal, Amazo was able to tap into the Speed Force and the GL Power Battery in order to use these powers. You could say he’s not worthy of the Lasso of Truth, the GL ring, or any power he has. But, the fact is, he has proven time and time again he can use them. Therefore, he would create whatever he needed to for Kirby’s weapons to work. Regardless, he really doesn’t need to use Kirby’s weapons.
Karate Kid using control to destroy 70-80 kilotons of snow.
That’s a punch thrown with the strength of a regular human. Now add the force of Sentry and Juggernaut behind it. That power is going to be far beyond anything Kirby’s weapons are capable of and anything Kirby has/can take.
Oh how much i love the sentry but he isnt this good. His matter manipulation is useless here. His biggest trump card is gone due to my perk ability.
I disagree. While Kirby is wearing the helmet, The Engineer and her duplicates are not.
The engineer has complete control over her body. I dont think he could manipulate her. She could already affect change on an atomic level and as the Carrier she's shown that she can alter her molecules and all of the Carriers.
Molecule Man can also control his molecules and those of others. Sentry shows the potential to overcome even that. Plus, the scan you posted shows that The Engineer’s clones are not immune to being tampered with.
Seems kinda contradictory of the rules. If stable minded sentry isnt allowed then why would a character who can be stable minded be allowed to use the sentry's powers? It makes the point of having sentry be unstable pointless. Lukehero said no op sentry.
This is not OP Sentry. It is Amazo being able to use Sentry’s powers without suffering from his mental frailty. Waiting on lukehero for a ruling.
3 The engineer's nanobites can slice most of your team at an atomic level
That's not true. While the nanobots would be a problem for Karate Kid, Juggernaut and Amazo have an impenetrable forcefield, and Sentry has molecular control, so even if they were able to slice him, he could reconstruct himself. Amazo will also gain the nanobot ability, so I counter your point with the same. How could your team deal with nanobots slicing them at a molecular level?
They can deal with it because they both have atomic level control of their bodies. Also didnt you say Amazo would have the juggernauts impenetrable forcefield around him? How would he release nanobots from his body if he has a impenetrable forcefield surrounding him?
He could drop it for a moment to release them. With the combined durability of Sentry, Juggernaut, and Kirby, He still could not be hurt. He really doesn’t need to forcefield here, because, as you said, Kirby has atomic control of his body. Sentry has molecular control of his. Juggernaut can also regenerate far faster than the nanobots could harm him, plus his own nanobots would be able to attack and repel those used by The Engineer, as they are equal to them. This is all assuming the nanobots would be able to attack Amazo at the exact moment he drops the forcefield to release his own. He would never allow to happen due to his tactical analysis.
4 Kirby is probably faster than everyone on your team. Kirby has transferred galaxies at warp speed.
He is faster than half of my team. While his travel speed is very impressive, I would like to see some scans of him reaching FTL speeds in battle. It also seems like he relies on his Warp Star for most of his travel, and Amazo would be able to duplicate that. Additionally, both Sentry, and by extension, Amazo, have shown the ability to travel and react at FTL levels.
Here, Sentry appears and plucks a high powered sniper bullet out of the air:
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Ive never seen the sentry go faster than light. Please show scans. Also why didnt he go faster than light when fighting the hulk? He could have ended the fight alot quicker and safer if he actually can go ftl.
Sentry flies to Saturn before he knows it. He has also flown Void to the sun in moments. As for his fight against WBHulk, that was more of a grappling match than a blitzing contest. Sentry was trying to bring Banner out of it, saying “It’s me!” and such during the fight. He wasn’t trying to kill the Hulk, rather calm him down. Which he succeeded in doing. I already posted him coming out of nowhere and plucking a bullet out of the air for a useable speed. I have yet to see any combat speeds above normal human for Kirby. If you have some, could you please post some scans?
5 You dont have any knowledge on my team
6 You have no prepertion
This is true. Amazo however, is integrated with the ability to analyze and adapt to metahuman powers/abilities and counter them. The CVwiki compares this to OMACs, giving him knowledge/tactical abilities on par with Batman. During the battle he would be able to quickly come up with a counter strategy to defeat your team.
Eh. As ive shown before that didnt help him against batman. Amazo is too cocky and doesnt even use all his powers in character. Ill even post another instance
As you can blatantly see here, Amazo was tagged by both Aquaman and Plastic Man, two characters that aren't even hypersonic in the given forms.
He even sees Plastic Man coming, and fails to evade him. He then has to rely on turning into a tornado to get Plas off, when he should have been able to just fly off.
Once is WIS, twice makes it in character, especially when I have multitudinous other instances to draw from.
Just because he has super speed and analyze abilities , doesn't mean he uses it in character. His speed is far from intractable in this situation.
For all we know Amazo will just try to spam a certain power against kirby like an idiot while not utilizing the other powers he has.
It’s convenient that you didn’t show what happened after he got ‘tagged’. Amazo proceeded to stomp not only those characters, but the rest of the core JLA team plus some other powerhouses.
The Amazo that Batman fought was obviously a different and inferior version, just look at him. In this battle, he beats not only Batman, but also Superman and the rest of the JLA.
He he is shown using a variety of powers he has acquired all throughout the course of the battle. So, he does not spam “a” power, but rather spams all of his powers unrelentingly. In the same fight he shows prime battle tactics about which powers he uses against larger threats, switching to the ideal one to destroy said threat. In the scan he analyzes Superman and switches to the best option to take him out. As you can see, this happens fast enough for him to counter the man of steel, who has many FTL feats.
Other points:
First off, I would like to question the legitimacy of Kirby’s inhale strategy. I don’t think it will be effective against anyone save Karate Kid. Sentry and by extension, Amazo, have the power to avoid the pull of his inhale. I believe Juggernaut does as well, however it will be easier to debate that inhaling him would have no effect against him. Kirby’s ability to copy relies on storing the enemy in a pocket dimension (is that BFR?), which Cyttorak would TP Juggs out of. This would make Kirby lose his copy ability. They are also able to be knocked out of him by getting hit.
We will need feats of Sentry and Amazo resisting a black hole. Not only does hypernova make kirbys mouth used as a black hole but it shrinks the opponent aswell. So we will need to see Sentry, Amazo, and Juggernaut resisting a black hole and having their bodies manipulated by being shrunken in size. Reference Hypernova's Flavor Text • Kirby: Triple Deluxe
Well, the shrinking would not be a problem due to their molecular control. I was referring to Kirby’s regular inhale ability that allows him to copy moves. That would be and has shown to be ineffective against tougher opponents. I still question the inhale ability of Hyperfruit. He could not inhale the stone blocks in the game which were approx. 1 cubic foot. How will he inhale something 10x that size? But even if he could, what good would that do? Kirby cannot copy their abilities while in Hyperfruit. As well, he cannot hold them in his stomach’s pocket dimension , as Amazo would be able to inhale himself out of it, like Kirby does, and getting hit would knock them out anyways.
Secondly, I question Kirby’s durability. He has consistently been shown to be severely damaged by mere hammers. All of my team hits significantly harder than a thrown hammer. I severe doubts he would be able to take one punch from Amazo, who will have the combined precision of Karate Kid, whose precision allows him to throw blows that feel like they are coming from someone with super strength, and the strength of Sentry and Juggernaut, who can destroy mountains with their punches. The combined power would be far more than Kirby can take.
Kirby's durability has too many high tier instances for it to be dismissed.
Kirby at the center of darkmatter's body exploading
At the center of part of the moon exploding
The dark matter explosion could have been extremely weak. There is nothing to compare it to as the only thing it hit was Kirby.
Also, neither of these feats address Kirby’s main problem: direct damage. In the games he has consistently shown weakness to hits, pokes, being run into, etc. You need some feats to show he can take even one hit from any of my team, especially Karate Kid and Amazo who have the ability to distinguish an opponents weak point.
The engineer clones are to attack with kirby btw. Not just kirby coming in by himself.
Ripping kirby in half wont work since he has the shown to be stretched without any sign of pain and has the engineers powers. He can make his body liquid. Complete control of the bodies size manipulation. So you can stretch kirby all you want. You using energy bursts just and attacks will just allow kirby to swallow your energy and get your powers that way aswell.
Kirby does not get powers from inhaling blasts. He would only be able to redirect the energy.
The engineer isnt fodder. She almost killed Captain Atom.
The reason I called her fodder, is that there is literally nothing she can do damage Amazo or Juggernaut. She may be able to harm Sentry and Karate Kid, but Sentry can just reassemble himself. He has survived the core of the sun. The Engineer cannot do more damage than Thor’s God blast nor the sun. Her nanobots will also be ineffective, as I’ve shown above. You also haven’t posted any speed feats for her, so she’ll also get blitzed by Sentry and Amazo.
Both kirby and her can turn microscopic and enter your teams brain. The damage could be done from the inside out. Kirby growing in size or swallowing your insides with the force of a black hole or the engineer going inside and swarming nanbots.
If The Engineers Nanobots cannot get past Juggernaut/Amazo’s forcefield, how will they? (They won’t.)
The fact that The Engineer’s nanobots have taken over advanced technology is great, but really not applicable here. As you agreed, they will be unable to penetrate Amazo’s forcefield. The nanobots he would be using would be exact copies of The Engineer’s nanobots, so yes, they would be capable of combatting against something that advanced.
I thought you meant Amazo has nanobots of his own like naturally in his body without needing to copy anything.
I dont think Amazo could copy something as advanced as the engineers nanobites. If he has replicated tech that is on a multiversal level then it would be more plausible. But even if he could it would seem like a stall combating against the engineers body trying to counteract against eachother.
Another reason why i think the engineer is too advanced for Amazo to copy is she had the power to remove the void.
Cured Captain Atom of the void
What can the Void do you ask? (this is the wildstorm/dc universe Void not the marvel one)
Void Powers and Abilities
Orb of Power: Void is a woman who has bonded with this celestial orb and entity, and is driven by forces she often cannot understand though she retains heavy control over them. 'How' she does what she does is largely unexplained, yet her abilities, nature, and purpose are integral to the status of the team. She is a key part of it all, existing in order to manipulate events and help guide the champions of the Earth in their battle against evil. Her powers are indeed cosmic yet psionic in nature. It is important to note that while she does not function as a 'true' psion her overall psionic power or powers and nature related to those forces is greater then an entire team of Psi-Ops at I/O.
Omni-Teleportation: The most noteworthy and obvious of Void's abilities, is her ability to teleport virtually anywhere within a global radius. Accompanied by a loud *VNNNN* sound and the smell of fresh peaches. She can cross hemisphere's with little difficulty. Transport herself and others across thousands of miles with even artificial barriers such as force fields, doing little to stop her coming. Void seems to possess an instinctual and constant awareness of where she is going when she teleports as there is never any risk of her teleporting into a wall, or into someone even if she is going to a place she has never actually been to before. Her natural clairvoyant talents may be the reason behind this. Void is limited not by distance but by mass. The more she tries to teleport, the more off her teleportation attempt may be. When attempting to teleport a huge restaurant crowd for example just outside, she ended up misjumping all the way from Washington D.C. to New York City. She could not teleport the massive Dozer during Fire From Heaven, nor could she just drop an over sized Maul onto a group of people. The more mass involved in her attempt to port, the more difficult it is..and she may literally miss her mark by hundreds or even thousands of miles.
Clairvoyance: Void possess powerful Clairvoyant abilities that grant her an intuitive awareness of her environment on a cosmic level. She is capable of searching for and monitoring various events happening across the globe and is also slightly empathic as well. She can use her clairvoyant talent to locate others and sense their approximate status and keep track of multiple events happening. The exact limitations of this power have not been established just yet, however when she is utilizing her clairvoyant abilities she is /highly/ susceptible to attacks and power surges both cosmic and psionic in nature. Her expanded awareness leaves her open and vulnerable to the point that extreme uses of power near the area she may be monitoring can leave her shocked and seriously harmed if she is not prepared ahead of time.
Precognition: Void is capable of sensing future events and coming major junctions in the time stream. She is able, via visions, to sense upcoming situations and major crossroads. Most of the time, these precognitive flashes come in the form of waking dreams, although she has received them before during meditative periods. She cannot arbitrarily choose to try and view the future. It is simply part of her inherent nature, given that the thing she is bonded with exists at the same time in multiple time streams and dimensions.
Astral Projection: Void is capable of pseudo astral projection and mental healing as she once entered the dreamscape of Voodoo in an attempt to bring her out of her coma. While Voodoo's own will and power are what in the end did it, Void is still capable of astral combat and exploring the recesses of the mind.
Time Travel: The very nature of the Void entity, does allow Adrianna to make use of the time stream and travel back and forth along it. Either into the past or into potential future settings. She however has a deep awareness of the nature of time and time travel and as such, does not wantonly abuse this ability except in the most dire of circumstances. Also it is extremely draining and difficult to do as the further away from the present she goes, the more strain she places upon herself. If she goes to far away from her initial jumping point, she literally discorporate's though likely temporarily.
Telekinesis: Void has fairly powerful telekinetic abilities. Via telekinesis she is capable of flight and able to erect force fields to protect herself and others, able to levitate and temporarily freeze and contain others as well. The exact amount of force she can exert is unknown yet fairly powerful, at least within the 50 to 75 ton range. Her force fields are not completely protective as they have buckled before under the assaults of those such as Helspont and Lord Entropy.
Quantum Energy Manipulation: Void is capable of manipulating quantum energy fields and generating vast degrees of energy. Mostly she generates these energies and projects them outward from her in the form of devastating blasts of quantum force of undetermined strength. Her peer, Providence has demonstrated that she can manipulate the same energies yet to greater degrees.
Orb Awareness: Void has a keen awareness of other 'Orbs of Power' since due to their common origin they all are somewhat linked together. She and Providence, as both prophets of the orb, both are mildly aware of each other at all times and can even detect the use of the greater 'Orbs' over large distances.
So the engineer has cosmic level effecting abilities since she was able to remove the Void. Until i see Amazo being able to copy powers with ability to stump cosmic level characters like the void it will be hard to believe amazo can handle the engineer.
The fact that he can copy something with magical properties is evidence that copying Kirby would yield the same result. Trying to place Kirby as an outlier doesn’t logically work, as Amazo has shown to copy magical properties in the past. As I stated in my last rebuttal, Amazo was able to tap into the Speed Force and the GL Power Battery in order to use these powers. You could say he’s not worthy of the Lasso of Truth, the GL ring, or any power he has. But, the fact is, he has proven time and time again he can use them. Therefore, he would create whatever he needed to for Kirby’s weapons to work. Regardless, he really doesn’t need to use Kirby’s weapons.
Karate Kid using control to destroy 70-80 kilotons of snow.
That’s a punch thrown with the strength of a regular human. Now add the force of Sentry and Juggernaut behind it. That power is going to be far beyond anything Kirby’s weapons are capable of and anything Kirby has/can take.
I understand Amazo can copy magic things. But you are making it sound like he can copy literally anyone or anything.
Why didnt he detect and copy Black Adam here?
Sentry, karate kid, and even juggernaut dont have any feats even close to being able to hit with the force kirby has. Idk how in the world you think those punches from karate kid or anyone else on your team is remotely impressive.
Kirbys items have destroyed monsters the size of planets and kirby has physically destroyed a planet and planet sized monsters with his own power
Kirby cracking and destroying planet popstar with a punch
Kirby sent Marx flying into Nova with enough force to destroy Nova.
Molecule Man can also control his molecules and those of others. Sentry shows the potential to overcome even that. Plus, the scan you posted shows that The Engineer’s clones are not immune to being tampered with.
Seems kinda contradictory of the rules. If stable minded sentry isnt allowed then why would a character who can be stable minded be allowed to use the sentry's powers? It makes the point of having sentry be unstable pointless. Lukehero said no op sentry.
This is not OP Sentry. It is Amazo being able to use Sentry’s powers without suffering from his mental frailty. Waiting on lukehero for a ruling.
Yae she can be Struck by physical force and feel it if thats what you mean by being tampered with. Sentry can be struck by physical force and feel it aswell so he can be tampered with to . If thats what you are saying from the scans i posted.
lol Luke already shut this down in the pm. Thats stable minded sentry feat that many consider PIS anwyays. But it doesnt mattter since luke gave his ruling on this. Quote below.
They can deal with it because they both have atomic level control of their bodies. Also didnt you say Amazo would have the juggernauts impenetrable forcefield around him? How would he release nanobots from his body if he has a impenetrable forcefield surrounding him?
He could drop it for a moment to release them. With the combined durability of Sentry, Juggernaut, and Kirby, He still could not be hurt. He really doesn’t need to forcefield here, because, as you said, Kirby has atomic control of his body. Sentry has molecular control of his. Juggernaut can also regenerate far faster than the nanobots could harm him, plus his own nanobots would be able to attack and repel those used by The Engineer, as they are equal to them. This is all assuming the nanobots would be able to attack Amazo at the exact moment he drops the forcefield to release his own. He would never allow to happen due to his tactical analysis.
Are you kidding me? He is going to drop his shield?
Juggernaut without his force field got punked on by thor with just his hands (no hammer needed)
Also hulk has caused him trouble before and even world war hulk doesnt have planetary feats like kirby.
The sentry's durability is laughable when he is unstable. He had such great manipulation here yae right.
Yes kirby will have atomic control over his body but from what you think and said before you dont believe that and you dont think Kirby's durability is any good so how by your standpoint will that help amazo's durability if he was able to copy kirbys durability?
Aswell Amazo releasing nanobites like you said he will is a horrible idea. Nanobites are part of your own body they would trace elements of Amazo in them. You releasing them from amazos body just gives kirby even more of a chance to swallow them and use your own powers.
Ive never seen the sentry go faster than light. Please show scans. Also why didnt he go faster than light when fighting the hulk? He could have ended the fight alot quicker and safer if he actually can go ftl.
Sentry flies to Saturn before he knows it. He has also flown Void to the sun in moments. As for his fight against WBHulk, that was more of a grappling match than a blitzing contest. Sentry was trying to bring Banner out of it, saying “It’s me!” and such during the fight. He wasn’t trying to kill the Hulk, rather calm him down. Which he succeeded in doing. I already posted him coming out of nowhere and plucking a bullet out of the air for a useable speed. I have yet to see any combat speeds above normal human for Kirby. If you have some, could you please post some scans?
Flown the void to the sun in minutes, thats slow? kirby has flown to the sun in seconds
Look how far away kirby starts next to Nova and they both get to where the sun and the moon are in seconds.
Warps across the stars in the galaxy
When did plucking a bullet out of the sky = FTL speed? Bullets arent light speed.
Can casually react to lighting
Kirby reacted to lasers from Queen Sectonia at point blank range as ive shown you before.
It’s convenient that you didn’t show what happened after he got ‘tagged’. Amazo proceeded to stomp not only those characters, but the rest of the core JLA team plus some other powerhouses.
The Amazo that Batman fought was obviously a different and inferior version, just look at him. In this battle, he beats not only Batman, but also Superman and the rest of the JLA.
He he is shown using a variety of powers he has acquired all throughout the course of the battle. So, he does not spam “a” power, but rather spams all of his powers unrelentingly. In the same fight he shows prime battle tactics about which powers he uses against larger threats, switching to the ideal one to destroy said threat. In the scan he analyzes Superman and switches to the best option to take him out. As you can see, this happens fast enough for him to counter the man of steel, who has many FTL feats.
Im not denying Amazo beat them up afterwards but your main debate was saying Amazo cant be tagged due to his ftl speed. I disproved your claim. He can be tagged because he is too inconsistent and cocky with his powers he doesnt utilize them to the best that he can on a regular basis, thats why he loses most of the time to the justice league.
Well, the shrinking would not be a problem due to their molecular control. I was referring to Kirby’s regular inhale ability that allows him to copy moves. That would be and has shown to be ineffective against tougher opponents. I still question the inhale ability of Hyperfruit. He could not inhale the stone blocks in the game which were approx. 1 cubic foot. How will he inhale something 10x that size? But even if he could, what good would that do? Kirby cannot copy their abilities while in Hyperfruit. As well, he cannot hold them in his stomach’s pocket dimension , as Amazo would be able to inhale himself out of it, like Kirby does, and getting hit would knock them out anyways.
Kirby can switch out his hypernova. Its not like he constantly has to use it. As it would be used to get them inside his mouth. Im using composite feats for kirby so he can switch through all the abilities he wants to use. In numerous games he has this capability. (Reference in Milky Way Wishes Game)
Why are you using weird mechanics like that with the stone blocks? If you want to go that route kirby can suck up a characters health bar which shouldnt be possible since its breaking the 4th wall (reality warping). So if you want to us lowball mechanics like that it can be countered with high balled mechanics.
I still dont think amazo would be able to copy kirbys powers. Even if he did he still doesnt show the capacity to consistently be able to use the best tactics for a situation. Aswell amazo would still be distracted by numerous engineer clones so he might not even notice kirby right away which would leave him open.
The dark matter explosion could have been extremely weak. There is nothing to compare it to as the only thing it hit was Kirby.
Also, neither of these feats address Kirby’s main problem: direct damage. In the games he has consistently shown weakness to hits, pokes, being run into, etc. You need some feats to show he can take even one hit from any of my team, especially Karate Kid and Amazo who have the ability to distinguish an opponents weak point.
Im using majority of composite cut scenes which are actual feats from the character. You are stating game mechanics about his durability which arent as generally accepted as feats.
Kirby laughing at a castle falling on him
Kirby with his own power in a cut scene was cut in half by galaxia. Kirby doesnt die when cut. His body splits into separate weaker versions of himself that he can put back together.
Do you even know how powerful Dark Matter his?
He casually broke the rings around planet popstar and you can see how large he truly is
Busted comets casually while in his smaller form
But that doesnt even matter since kirby has the engineers powers he can heal from anything and body is liquid.
Kirby does not get powers from inhaling blasts. He would only be able to redirect the energy.
Yes he can.
He has fought numerous opponents where he was able copy their powers just from the energy release from the opponents attacks.
For instance here with meta knight. The star and light energy released from when meta knight when he slices his sword was inhaled by kirby and copied metaknights power.
Other instances include kirby in the anime swallowing and copying lasers blasts, etc.
The engineer isnt fodder. She almost killed Captain Atom.
The reason I called her fodder, is that there is literally nothing she can do damage Amazo or Juggernaut. She may be able to harm Sentry and Karate Kid, but Sentry can just reassemble himself. He has survived the core of the sun. The Engineer cannot do more damage than Thor’s God blast nor the sun. Her nanobots will also be ineffective, as I’ve shown above. You also haven’t posted any speed feats for her, so she’ll also get blitzed by Sentry and Amazo.
Juggernaut is not smart at all. He would run directly at kirby allowing kirby to just open his mouth and suck juggernaut in and spit him away somewhere. The engineer wont even need to worry about juggernaut.
Sentry surviving the core of the sun, thats cool.
The engineer trapping a being with the power of the sun.
She is already tagging you due to nanobites swarming the battlefield. Also the she teleport around the battefield and how will you know which one to tag since their are numerous engineers on the field?
Final Overview
Team Work
Your team - Even before the match starts its hard to believe your team will work so well together as you make them out to be. Their morals are all different for the most part. Sentry wont stand for Amazo (a out of control android) just copying his powers in fear of what Amazo would do with them. Even if Sentry cant keep him from taking his powers i imagine he would still try to fight Amazo. Juggernaut is a cocky sob he would probably get pissed at Amazo taking his powers. Karate Kid knows Amazo is no good.
My team - Both have similar occupation of being space warriors. Both strive to save the universe. Both are good guys. Both dont have a problem with killing. There is nothing to suggest they wouldnt work well.
Amazo
Disadvantages - He cant copy everything kirby has and is unlikely to be able to copy the engineer. Kirby has items and abilities that are powered by concepts that Amazo being an android and being evil does not have. You have made cases for him doing stupid things for strategy like taking his shield down and releasing nano bites that just put him at risk of attack or consumptions even more than he already is. He doesn't utilize his powers to the best that he can in most situations.
Sentry
Disadvantages - ....we pretty much have a hellicarier (the carrier), enough said. lol Really though Sentry is great and all but he is unstable here so his powers are just not up to par. He has been taken out by things more than once that my team would laugh at. He is fast but still not fast enough. Even the stable sentry would have a problem in this fight against kirby and the engineer given the preperations they have
Juggernaut
Disadvantages - His momentum and stupidity is his downfall. He goes head first. "he cant be stopped" thats exactly what i want for him not to stop running directly at kirby so he can be sucked up and copied
Karate Kid
Disadvantages - pure fodder here. Nothing to really needed to go indepth in.
I enjoyed the debate with you and would like to debate with you again in the future.
@lukehero Well thats my final post for this match. Im ready for votes when sentry4 is.
@sentry4: @those_eyes: Wow that was quick. I think that's enough posts, but we will wait and see what Sentry4 wants to do. People must really be pumped for this tourney because we have already had 2 battles finish with in 3 days!!! That's a new tourney record(for my tourneys at least)!!!!
I dont think Amazo could copy something as advanced as the engineers nanobites. If he has replicated tech that is on a multiversal level then it would be more plausible. But even if he could it would seem like a stall combating against the engineers body trying to counteract against eachother.
He can copy the most powerful weapon in the universe.
Another reason why i think the engineer is too advanced for Amazo to copy is she had the power to remove the void.
So the engineer has cosmic level effecting abilities since she was able to remove the Void. Until i see Amazo being able to copy powers with ability to stump cosmic level characters like the void it will be hard to believe amazo can handle the engineer.
I understand Amazo can copy magic things. But you are making it sound like he can copy literally anyone or anything.
Superman has defeated Darkseid and Doomsday. Flash took out the Anti-monitor. The Green Lanterns have taken out Parallax. Your point about not being able to copy this level of power is inane. So far he has shown no limits to what he can copy, yet you are trying to impose unjustified limits on him. As seen in the comics, the reason he is so dangerous is because of that fact. There has been no evidence of his inability to copy, and all evidence for it.
Why didnt he detect and copy Black Adam here?
I would assume it was due in part to the extreme amount of sh** going on in that battle and that he was totally blindsided while dealing with another threat. Thankfully for Amazo, in this battle he has 1) only two opponents (well one but I’ll get to that later) and 2) has an impenetrable forcefield to prevent that from happening.
Sentry, karate kid, and even juggernaut dont have any feats even close to being able to hit with the force kirby has. Idk how in the world you think those punches from karate kid or anyone else on your team is remotely impressive.
Kirbys items have destroyed monsters the size of planets and kirby has physically destroyed a planet and planet sized monsters with his own power
Kirby cracking and destroying planet popstar with a punch.
Kirby sent Marx flying into Nova with enough force to destroy Nova.
It took quite a while for Kirby to throw each of those blows, definitely going to be hard to land in combat. Even if one were to land, it would not harm Juggernaut nor Amazo. You have not provided the feats to show Kirby could take the same (or any) type of physical attack. Just to do the math, Amazo will be at minimum a 200 tonner, and hitting with Karate Kid’s precision shown in the scan from my 2nd post, will be punching with 150,000 kilotons of force. That’s about the power of an atomic bomb focused into the size of a fist. Slightly more than the average tossed hammer.
Besides, NOTHING is known about Popstar planet's properties. It's size, density, everything is unknown, except that the average inhabitant is 8in tall. Comparing cracking that to Earth is impossible.
Kirby laughing at a castle falling on him
Considering that Kirby is only 8in. tall, that castle was not even 1 ton in weight. That doesn’t nearly prove he can take the kind of force he’ll be up against.
Juggernaut has laughed at Thor’s hammer being thrown at him, far more force than Kirby has proven to take.
Are you kidding me? He is going to drop his shield?
Juggernaut without his force field got punked on by thor with just his hands (no hammer needed)
He's gotten thrown, and he has also shown feats of insane regeneration (his whole body from the bone in a few seconds).
Yes kirby will have atomic control over his body but from what you think and said before you dont believe that and you dont think Kirby's durability is any good so how by your standpoint will that help amazo's durability if he was able to copy kirbys durability?
Kirby has atomic control of his body to combat the nanobots. I cited this power as a number of ways Amazo would be able to combat your atom slicing nanobots, although the forcefield is all he really needs I suppose. I don't believe that Kirby has the durability to take powerful physical attacks, however.
Aswell Amazo releasing nanobites like you said he will is a horrible idea. Nanobites are part of your own body they would trace elements of Amazo in them. You releasing them from amazos body just gives kirby even more of a chance to swallow them and use your own powers.
Kirby gains the powers of whatever he swallows. So he can swallow a nanobot, but that’s not going to give him super strength, super speed, invulnerability, etc, because a nanobot has none of those abilities. He could interface with tech and slice things, I guess?
Flown the void to the sun in minutes, thats slow? kirby has flown to the sun in seconds
Minutes would still be FTL, but I said moments.
When did plucking a bullet out of the sky = FTL speed? Bullets arent light speed.
It’d be one thing to react to and catch the bullet, but Sentry came in out of nowhere and caught it. That means he was able to react from wherever he was, deduce where the bullet was going, and get there in time to catch it.
He can be tagged because he is too inconsistent and cocky with his powers he doesnt utilize them to the best that he can on a regular basis, thats why he loses most of the time to the justice league.
I think the scan I posted of him easily taking down Superman proves that he is more than capable of this. Of course he loses to the JLA due to PIS, but according to the battle forum rules, characters fight to the best of their abilities. Amazo has proven that he can perform this level of analysis and finesse under stress from multiple opponents.
Kirby can switch out his hypernova. Its not like he constantly has to use it. As it would be used to get them inside his mouth. Im using composite feats for kirby so he can switch through all the abilities he wants to use. In numerous games he has this capability. (Reference in Milky Way Wishes Game)
In these games, you are required to hold an enemy in your pocket dimension (stomach). You inhale them and swallow or spit them out. You can then later decide to spit them out to make room for more items. I have proven that this tactics is impossible against Amazo and Juggeraut, but it would also make it impossible for you to use The Engineers powers without holding her in your stomach. The evidence for this is that when you inhale an enemy, you can choose to ingest them or spit them out in star form. When you ingest them, you gain their power. Upon taking too much damage, they are knocked out of you in the form of a star. Besides, Kirby is only be allowed to use one opponents power at a time.
Why are you using weird mechanics like that with the stone blocks? If you want to go that route kirby can suck up a characters health bar which shouldnt be possible since its breaking the 4th wall (reality warping). So if you want to us lowball mechanics like that it can be countered with high balled mechanics.
Kirby has very limited material, and like I said, most of my knowledge is from the games, where he is unable to perform these type of feats.
I still dont think amazo would be able to copy kirbys powers. Even if he did he still doesnt show the capacity to consistently be able to use the best tactics for a situation.
You have no reason to believe he cannot copy them, and even if you still don’t think he can, that’s fine because the duplication feats I’ve posted prove he can. I’ve also posted feats of using analysis to determine the best powers for the enemy. So you are trying to lowball here.
Aswell amazo would still be distracted by numerous engineer clones so he might not even notice kirby right away which would leave him open.
Open for what? There is nothing Kirby can do to him, besides inhaling him, which Amazo can get out of due to his own Kirby powers.
The dark matter explosion could have been extremely weak. There is nothing to compare it to as the only thing it hit was Kirby.
Also, neither of these feats address Kirby’s main problem: direct damage. In the games he has consistently shown weakness to hits, pokes, being run into, etc. You need some feats to show he can take even one hit from any of my team, especially Karate Kid and Amazo who have the ability to distinguish an opponents weak point.
Im using majority of composite cut scenes which are actual feats from the character. You are stating game mechanics about his durability which arent as generally accepted as feats.
Kirby laughing at a castle falling on him
Kirby with his own power in a cut scene was cut in half by galaxia. Kirby doesnt die when cut. His body splits into separate weaker versions of himself that he can put back together.
He will not be getting cut, but rather punched in the face with an atomic bomb thousands of times per second.
Juggernaut is not smart at all. He would run directly at kirby allowing kirby to just open his mouth and suck juggernaut in and spit him away somewhere. The engineer wont even need to worry about juggernaut.
Sentry surviving the core of the sun, thats cool.
Surviving the core of the sun is cool, because it shows he would be able to survive your nanobots.
She is already tagging you due to nanobites swarming the battlefield. Also the she teleport around the battefield and how will you know which one to tag since their are numerous engineers on the field?
I’ve proven the nanobots will be useless except against Karate Kid. He also won’t need to know, since they pose no threat, my team will be able to focus on Kirby until he’s defeated, then mop up The Engineer and her clones.
Team Work
• Your team - Even before the match starts its hard to believe your team will work so well together as you make them out to be. Their morals are all different for the most part. Sentry wont stand for Amazo (a out of control android) just copying his powers in fear of what Amazo would do with them. Even if Sentry cant keep him from taking his powers i imagine he would still try to fight Amazo. Juggernaut is a cocky sob he would probably get pissed at Amazo taking his powers. Karate Kid knows Amazo is no good.
• My team - Both have similar occupation of being space warriors. Both strive to save the universe. Both are good guys. Both dont have a problem with killing. There is nothing to suggest they wouldnt work well.
I’m just going to copy what I posted in my first rebuttal:
Amazo is not truly evil and definitely not crazed, but fulfilling his primary objective of destroying the JLA. Whether it is from his programming, or for self-affirmation for his more advanced upgrades, this has always been the case. It’s pretty sad really. This of course aligns him with evil-doers, but since non of my team is on the JLA, he won’t try to kill them. He’s worked on teams before, as have all the other members of my team. Questioning whether they would allow their or not is pure speculation, as non of them have ever been put in that situation. It’s not like they have a choice either.
Amazo
• Disadvantages - He cant copy everything kirby has and is unlikely to be able to copy the engineer. Kirby has items and abilities that are powered by concepts that Amazo being an android and being evil does not have. You have made cases for him doing stupid things for strategy like taking his shield down and releasing nano bites that just put him at risk of attack or consumptions even more than he already is. He doesn't utilize his powers to the best that he can in most situations.
As I’ve said, your objections to Amazo’s copying are baseless. I stated he could take down his force field if he saw it the best way to defeat your team. He would not do so if it was not. I have also provided scans of him fighting very intelligently that you have dismissed.
Sentry
• Disadvantages - ....we pretty much have a hellicarier (the carrier), enough said. lol Really though Sentry is great and all but he is unstable here so his powers are just not up to par. He has been taken out by things more than once that my team would laugh at. He is fast but still not fast enough. Even the stable sentry would have a problem in this fight against kirby and the engineer given the preperations they have.
You have not posted any scans to substantiate these claims. I showed Sentry allowing himself to get burned alive in the sun to kill himself, which didn’t work. Your nanobots will be ineffective against him due to his molecular regeneration and inherent durability. If anything, the Engineer will be nothing to him with Kirby having to take him out, which will leave Kirby open to be annihilated by Amazo.
Juggernaut
• Disadvantages - His momentum and stupidity is his downfall. He goes head first. "he cant be stopped" thats exactly what i want for him not to stop running directly at kirby so he can be sucked up and copied
He will not even deal with Kirby on the battlefield if you have him flying around on his warp star. You also have no strategy to even harm him, and holding him in your belly will be useless as he will be TPed out.
Karate Kid
• Disadvantages - pure fodder here. Nothing to really needed to go indepth in.
He is fodder here, the nanobots should take him out fairly easily. He does provide Amazo with the skill to deduce Kirby and the Engineers weakest points for a super KO punch though.
Conclusion
The majority of your argument has been about whether Amazo can duplicate Kirby/The Engineers powers, when all the evidence says he can.
You have not provided a viable way to take out Amazo nor Juggernaut, while only bringing in circumstantial ways to take down Sentry.
Kirby will not be able to use his duplication ability to the level you suggested due to the limitations of his pocket dimension and copy pallet.
Kirby will be overwhelmed by the combined forces of Sentry and Amazo. Due to her inability to harm either, they will be able to save The Engineer until Kirby has fallen, when they will mop up her and her clones.
Juggernaut will be able to tank anything The Engineer can throw at him with Kirby is being dealt with in the sky.
So conflicted. Sentry4 almost did enough to win since Amazo is a teambusting beast that should solo almost any and everybody but...he didn't quite debate his points correctly and didn't have an exact plan for taking the team out other than using their own attacks against them.
@those_eyes debated this better and had a more clear plan that might have a chance for working so I'll vote for him.
I'm gonna vote for thoseeyes as well. I honestly think the battle would be a stalemate, but eyes did a better job of offering examples and showing scans of the other team failing at things. That shows a strong knowledge of your opponent.
HHe brought up good points about Kirby's questionable durability, and showed that Amazo with karate kids powers could pose a large threat and take out the enemy team.
Both debaters could have done better though imo, but it was still a nice debate :)
Yes it is that character that beat Majin Buu in Death Battle
Voting for sentry for bringing up Death battle bs match....................................................................................................... okay in all seriousness I vote for @those_eyes, I felt his feats were better, while sentry argument against kirby was weak overall. Both did a great job, I just think eyes did a better job countering his opponent.
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