@sirfizzwhizz: @precrisisbardock: @lukehero:
PCB already had me disagreeing with him as soon as he started.
- Regardless of King Kai keeping tabs on the fight itself, its not like he can perceive the precise exact details of said fight. Its the same thing with the example he showed in regards to invincible. Us humans can watch a jet fly by but if a human moved at those exact speeds it would be a blur at the bare minimum to us.
- Kid Goku is not as fast as lightning, among everything stated in DBZ that is legitimately hyperbole. Kid goku is hypersonic.
- What SFW did in regards to Goku's strength wasn't lowballing. Goku consistently shows this level of strength, the strength PCB is trying to give Gogeta is silly. Because there is clear split durability in the DBZ universe. Because the consistency between physical and non-physical durability is not there.
- Why the heck would Goku and Vegeta fuse? Vegeta never seemed into it consistently. And only gave in when the foe they were going at was impossibly strong like with Buu or with Omega Shenron i believe it was? It seems like a last ditch effort plan which i doubt they would be able to get a chance to use with the way this battle would seem to play out.
My man will be above and behind your entire team from the beginning of the match and will blast the whole battlefield with a Multi-Solar system busting attack, which will destroy everything except the mountain. You wouldn't have time to put up the shield because you aren't fast enough.
He clearly said that he would use the prep time he has to build the shield. Speed has no relevance to prep..........
Lightning speeds is Kid Goku level stuff. Your "Perfect Bodyguard" is on par with Kid Goku.
Said bodyguard is apparently on par if not far better than super suit thor.......... so i am really wondering where you are going with this considering his level of power.......
To add:
- You used SSJ multipliers which is by far the worst way to gauge a DBZ character.
- Akira Toriyama never stated Cell can bust solar systems. Daizenshuu did. Akira>>>>>>>>Daizenshuu. Akira didn't write them, he approved of their existence. That's all.
Read my post. Post 197
http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles-7/debunk-a-feat-dbz-mangaanime-730592/?page=4
As for the frieza punch thing, that is getting really old, i'll quote myself from another thread:
Striking Strength
The DBZ striking strength level at the very least is either city level or continent, level and this is simply me being speculative. They barely have striking feats. The whole goku punching frieza thing got old. Really old. Tanking non-physical attacks and tanking physical attacks actually happen to be different things.Punches from some people in real life can be calculated to have the force of a train. But would it truly be the same? No, destructive force, power, and mass are all completely different. People say goku can destroy planets in his base form with his punches alone. Thats ridiculous. He punched a small hole in king kai's planet in ssj3 form and king kai's planet is smaller than my neighborhood. So you basically have 10 of those neighborhood's compacted into a small planet. Thats what ten times gravity can essentially mean. Let me repeat this. Lets get some clay. I make an orb of clay similar to a sphere. Out of a small amount of clay. Some guy next to me, grabs a far bigger amount of clay and builds a clay sphere of the exact same size except he used more clay to refine its shape. Which one is more denser, harder and heavier? Mine's or his? His obviously. Its more dense and has more weight. If i somehow threw a feather at you at high speeds and i did the same for a pebble. Which would hurt more? The pebble. It has higher levels of mass and weight.
I'm no physicist so i want you to read up on this:
https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070926160331AABl5eu
And here is the thing. People say that goku can split multiple planets with one punch right? How does the people he fight contain the shockwave of the punch? The whole thing about Z fighters controlling their ki so they don't destroy the planet cannot be used. Because simply waving your own hand can produce wind. With enough force by anything wind can turn into a shockwave. If DBZ characters are launching those kind of punches simply throwing their punches would shatter the planet. It doesn't matter how physically durable you are. If the person who punches you can tear planets apart, there is no way the surrounding area around you, would still be intact. Even attack potency is hard to gauge in DBZ because even if absorb enough of the impact(said impact being enough to destroy the planet) There should at least be some collateral damage, or high level shockwaves.
In regards to him quoting Etheral Dreams on striking strength here is yet again another quote from moi:
Lets look at it this way. I got hit by a freaking car, i survive but im disabled for a while. But in a separate scenario you a regular human with no physical training managed to land a good punch on me square in the gut. Is it the same force? Is it the same mass? Same destructive capabilities? Not really. Durability,Pain Tolerance etc. Remember that whole Juvia vs Croc debate? Go back to what i said about superman. Superman can survive supernovas of course, but can potentially get one shot by planet busting+ forces if he constantly takes them quickly. How much you MENTALLY can take and how much your body can truly take PHYSICALLY are COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. Look at usopp of OP or Deadpool of Marvel? They logically speaking shouldn't be up from a single hit they take. Its their pain intolerance and endurance that allows them to keep going(and partially wade's healing factor but you should get the point.) There is a difference between stunned and knocked out, and knocked out and killed. Its hard to explain but you get the point.
Honestly, whenever someone says that Striking Strength when enhanced with ki can equal someone's full power energy blast, i consider that false due to clear differences in when someone in DBZ shoots a blast and throw a punch. Its clear that when a DBZ character shoots out ki he is pouring in everything from his body and is using all their strength to push it out. To enhance one's strike with KI, it only takes a little effort and it wouldn't push out as much energy as an energy blast would even when throwing around full effort. You can clearly see the difference in effort. If the amount of Ki they blast out is equivalent to the amount of ki they can use to enhance themselves then they wouldn't need ki blast since enhancing their strikes is so much freaking easier. As clearly evident of the series.(Translation: If punches equaled the force of Ki there would be no need to punch opponents. Or vice versa with Ki.)
Punches have nothing to do with AOE much. The fist was a small concentrated area. Focusing energy into a fist would take less energy to empower but at the same time it would be impossible to maximize effort like Ki users would when shooting out energy blasts which legit pushes the ki out of the body.
Basically if Ki was equal to everything, then a user of ki wouldn't have to waste it in order to blast an opponent they could save it to further boost their own stats to gain an edge.
As for SFW you had a solid argument but you were underestimating your opponent a lot, if it wasn't for your well thought out strategy i would have immediately gave the vote to PCB. I see a reflection of myself when i saw you debate. Confidence but at the same time arrogance. Hostility. I try to control it sometimes but you didn't seem to do so at all. Although there are "fan opinions" for DBZ some of them make sense some of them are ridiculous. You could say the same for One Piece or Naruto then again there are things that back it up in those series. However, you extremely underestimated Goku's speed. Gotenks who goku is stronger than by miles at this point of the franchise, can travel around the world several times easily in seconds. Goku in his base form traveled across half the planet in only a second or two. His raw speed is probably a lot more impressive than your crew.
I nearly gave PCB the vote for at the very least attempting to solidify his claims. But i took it away since his main argument was speed blizting. And his response to nearly most of what SFW said felt like it was geared towards speed blitzing. SFW's strategy was pretty well thought out. It didn't have many flaws aside from the power difference which i don't think really mattered since Gogeta wasn't as powerful as PCB claimed he was.
Some say i have an incredible bias towards DBZ so @lukehero if you don't want to count my vote i would perfectly understand.
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