High Tier TRNY: Higorm VS Darkraiden(VOTE)

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Rules:

  • Remember, I'm human, I don't know a lot of the characters here so if you feel something is overpriced or underpriced, or just doesn't belong, tell me.
  • Win by any condition except BFR, All characters will be staying on the battlefield.
  • The maps and missions may vary depending on the fairness of each persons team (If someone picks all Hulks, I won't put the match in space), However matches will be randomized, so plan accordingly.
  • No single prep device can beat Green Lantern. No single summon can beat New 52 Wonder Woman.
  • All prep cannot use Time manipulation of any kind.
  • No Reality Warping
  • Time can only be slowed, not frozen. Can only increase time to speeds of Lightspeed.
  • Battles Take Place On Indestructible An Planet
  • Prep Your Side Of The Battlefield Only
  • Hosts: Pr0metheus, Sirfizzwhizz, & Lukehero

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Higorm:

Team:

  • Maxima (5)

  • Mr. Majestic (5)

Perks:

    • 1 hour prep (1)
    • Full Knowledge (8)
    • Use Non Standard Gear (Nothing OP) 5

Darkraiden:

Characters:

  • Cyborg (1)
  • Static Shock (1)
  • Steel (2)
  • Mr. Terrific (1)
  • Vixen (1)
  • Killerbee (1)
  • Blue Marvel (3)

Perks:

  • Basic Knowledge (4)
  • 4 hours prep place of choosing (10)
  • Spider Sense (Blue Marvel) (1)

Mission: Deliver The Football

  • Higorm: Offense
  • Darkraiden: Defense
  • Offense Must Make It Past The Defense & Deliver The Football Into Building 72.
  • Football Is Made Of a Mysterious Indestructible Metal & Cannot Be Altered Or Teleported.
  • Building 72 Is Indestructible & Cannot Be Altered Or Teleported
  • Football Must Be Delivered In 1 Hour

Map: Disney World Magic Kingdom

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Starting Positions:

Higorm: 27(5 Miles Away From Building 72)

Darkraiden: 64(1 Mile Away From Building 72)

  • Park Is Active
  • Weather: Sunny Clear Day

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@higorm: Ok so...Prep time!

Prep

Location: Justice League Watchtower.

Perks: Steel's workshop is there as are research labs, and an armory.

Plan:

1. First, with Basic Knowledge and his abilities, Cyborg either already knows everything about Maxima and Majestic, or he will in seconds as he scours every computer for the information. So we now have full knowledge.

2. Blue Marvel and Terrific will work on a large teleporter they'll place in front of the building on all sides, surrounding it (including the top) that will completely protect it and transport anyone that tries to get to it thousands of miles away in w/e direction

3. Cyborg, Steel, and Terrific are gonna upgrade their armors/T-Spheres with aspects from the other. T-Spheres already have whitesound, but now have the widespread option and the amount of decibels Cyborg can use. So basically:

Cyborg Shares:

  • Boom Tube abilities
  • Reflection Shields
  • Power Sapping.
  • Sonic Cannon capabilities (widespread, millions and zillions of decibels)
  • Ice Beam
  • Microscopic and other vision
  • Energy signature tracking
  • Cyborg's psyche itself, to help watch and help their stuff

Steel will share and upgrade:

  • TP protection
  • TK protection
  • Teleporting
  • Sonic Cannon
  • EMP
  • Bubble guns
  • Disorientation Agent that affected Superman
  • Other weapons he tested on Superman
  • Anti-Particle Gun
  • Nanobytes that stopped Doomsday
  • Anti-Ion equalizer
  • Neural Wipes

Mr. Terrific will share and upgrade:

  • White Noise
  • Mind Erase
  • Gravity Wells
  • Lasers
  • Holograms
  • EM Spectrum sight
  • Forcefields
  • Neural Dampening
  • Lightning
  • Photon Bursts
  • Holograms
  • Hard Light Constructs
  • Other scans
  • Other stuff he used to hurt Captain Nazi

Static and Blue Marvel will be aiding them with this as they are also geniuses and Marvel has superspeed

4. Steel will summon/teleport/bring in his other suits and upgrade them similarly and will be using the Aegis Entropy armor (only getting in it right before the battle starts). The suits and other tech will be transported to the battlefield when the time is right.

5. Terrific will be using his thousands of T-Spheres, all with upgrades as well, summoning them from his 9th dimension

6. Static, Vixen, Killerbee, and Blue Marvel will be provided protection via a T-Sphere and a Steel suit each

7. Steel will have his suits install traps in front of the building such as electromagnetic cages, timed and triggered by their presence in front of said teleporters/portals that Marvel and Terrific created

8. Finally, since Steel has a time machine, the geniuses will all work on changing it to a time slowing machine to slow Majestic and Maxima down to normal speeds (pointed towards them and only affecting them).

This will all be able to be done because except for the Teleporter (which is simply making Blue Marvel's teleporting device and the portals from a T-Sphere very large) and the Time Machine, nothing else takes more than 5-10 minutes. It shouldn't take more than an hour to enlarge a teleporter (especially given that Steel has a suit that can grow large and we have all the resources of the Watchtower and many geniuses here). The other three hours should be enough to go from time travel to time slow. Especially given that Terrific and Steel each have experiences with time travel. And Static with containing speed (made Kid Flash's suit).

The Battlefield

With all the traps and defenses in place, it goes like this:

1. Steel armors and Aegis Entropy Steel engage Majestic and Maxima, as do Vixen (Grodd, Armored Beetle, Mantis Shrimp),Bee (in armor) Blue Marvel (in armor), and Killerbee (in armor). With the traps in place, the upgrades, and the time slow, this should be easy pickings to not just hold you back for an hour, but to win.

2. Static, Cyborg, and Terrific stay back, Terrific inside the actual building, with Steel Armor on, Static (also with armor) guarding the building (with the teleporters surrounding it). Static will set charges and attempt to attack Majestic and Maxima from far range, using his electromagnetic abilities to immobilize, slow them down, charge them, and to shut down their electric impulses in their brains and put them down/to sleep. With the others distracting them, this should work.

Cyborg's job will be to boom tube them back to the starting point to avoid the BFR, but keep them away. Also to use his white noise cannon to distract and mess them up (especially given Majestic's great hearing).

3. No matter what, Maxima and Majestic cannot get in due to the traps, and the giant teleporters/portals surrounding all sides.

4. With them being slowed down and fighting the likes of the Aegis Entropy (faster and stronger than Superman), Thousands of T-Spheres (can each hurt Captain Nazi who's on the level of Superman and has holograms that can fool TP), Cyborg's upgrades (Boom tube taking them away from the building, sonic cannons messing up hearing that has taken on and hurt Titans like Supergirl and Miss Martian), Steel's armors (can fight the likes of Doomsday and Superman and now has upgrades), they can't win.

Disclaimer

If luke doesn't like the boom tubes and teleporters being used (even though I carefully made sure not to BFR or change the battlefield at all), then replace them with white noise/sonic cannons. It works the same.

Summary

1. We use time slowing+Sound (effective against Majestic's good hearing)+Aegis Entropy+Numbers to stop them from delivering the football.

2. Our traps are triggered by them and take them out that way

3. We can take them out via electric impulse canceling, brute force, TP/TK, Steel's hammer, sound, T-Sphere weapons, energy absorption/reflection, gravity, mind erase, holograms, steel's disorientating weapons, etc.

4. And we have the teleporters/sonic cannons stationed in front of the building making it impossible to penetrate.

5. We win due to covering all bases.

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Guess I'll have to wait for @lukehero before I make my opening..

If luke doesn't like the boom tubes and teleporters being used (even though I carefully made sure not to BFR or change the battlefield at all), then replace them with white noise/sonic cannons. It works the same.

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@darkraiden: @higorm: Rulings & Clarifications

Blue Marvel and Terrific will work on a large teleporter they'll place in front of the building on all sides, surrounding it (including the top) that will completely protect it and transport anyone that tries to get to it thousands of miles away in w/e direction

The battlefield itself is only a few miles long, but teleporting people to other parts of it is fine.

4. Steel will summon/teleport/bring in his other suits and upgrade them similarly and will be using the Aegis Entropy armor (only getting in it right before the battle starts). The suits and other tech will be transported to the battlefield when the time is right.

That's fine, but obviously it's on you(Darkraiden) to prove you can summon/teleport in these suits without leaving. Entropy Armor is too much. The rule for devices is nothing can solo a GL. Pretty sure if I a normal Human put on this armor(**if I could wield it) I would solo stomp Hal Jordon. EA is supposed to be Destroyer Level.

Everything else seems fine, it's just on you to prove it.

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@darkraiden: @higorm:

Would he literally know everything, highly debatable. He should gain a good bit also I'm not sure, but info on Majestic may be hidden from Computers because of the organization he works with(although that's a debate point not a ruling).

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@lukehero said:

@darkraiden: @higorm: Rulings & Clarifications

Blue Marvel and Terrific will work on a large teleporter they'll place in front of the building on all sides, surrounding it (including the top) that will completely protect it and transport anyone that tries to get to it thousands of miles away in w/e direction

The battlefield itself is only a few miles long, but teleporting people to other parts of it is fine.

4. Steel will summon/teleport/bring in his other suits and upgrade them similarly and will be using the Aegis Entropy armor (only getting in it right before the battle starts). The suits and other tech will be transported to the battlefield when the time is right.

That's fine, but obviously it's on you(Darkraiden) to prove you can summon/teleport in these suits without leaving. Entropy Armor is too much. The rule for devices is nothing can solo a GL. Pretty sure if I a normal Human put on this armor(**if I could wield it) I would solo stomp Hal Jordon. EA is supposed to be Destroyer Level.

Everything else seems fine, it's just on you to prove it.

Cool. Fair enough. The most it's done is solo Superman so I thought it might be usable.

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Team Intro: M&M's - Maxima/Majestros!

Maxima once ruled a vast intergalactic empire centered on her homeworld of Almerac. For thousands of years, her ancestors had intermarried with races from other worlds, breeding for strength, for speed, and for power. Representing the apex of Almeracian eugenics, Maxima resolved to continue in the same tradition of her people. To that end, she became obsessed with expanding her galactic reach and, most importantly, securing a suitable mate to father an heir to her glorious realm.

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// Powers/Abilities \\

Astral Projection / Duplication / Empathy / Ferrokinesis / Flight / Force Field / Heat Vision / Hypnosis / Illusion Casting / Intellect / Invulnerability / Possession / Psionics / Super Speed / Super Strength / Telekinesis / Telepathy / Teleport / Tracking

Mr. Majestic is the WildStorm universe's "Superman". He is an alien warrior who has lived on Earth for centuries, often fighting alongside others of his race (as well as humans) against the Daemonites.

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// Powers/Abilities \\

  • Kherubim Physiology - Mr. Majestic is part of a nearly immortal race of warriors known as the Kherubim.
  • Drahn Evolution - The Drahn(creatures capable of prompting evolution in creatures) allowed Majestic to become vastly more powerful than the rest of his kind, like Thor is for the Asgardians.
  • Super Strength - The ability to lift far in excess of 100 tons effortlessly. He has rearranged most of the planets in the solar system, stalemated Helspont (who is in Majestic's strength class), and has crushed graphite into diamonds in order to pay for a meal. He has also moved continents by sheer output of force from his body.
  • Super Speed - Majestic has the ability to travel at hundreds of times FTL (Faster Than Light) in space. On one occasion he flew across the entire universe (some 13.5 billion light years) in 4 months.
  • Superhuman Reflexes -Majestic possesses nano-second reaction time, as shown in his fight with Spartan Guards. He has also proved capable of viewing particles moving six times faster than the speed of light. He even appears to teleport (even by the eyes of superhumans) due to how fast he can react in combat.
  • Super Stamina - Majestic is almost unable to tire. Majestic does not require sustenance or rest.
  • Super Hearing - The ability to hear any sound at any volume or pitch. Majestic can pick a single voice in an entire city, hear every sound on Earth as it happens, and even hear screams in space, where there is no air for sound waves to travel through (meaning Majestic has a mental telepathy associated with sound).
  • Freeze Breath - The ability to freeze solid objects with his breath. Majestic was capable of freezing a ship while space with his super breath(meaning his breath had to have been hundreds of times colder than the coldness of space).
  • Invulnerability - Majestic's durability is almost equal to Superman's. Majestic has withstood a nuclear bomb and suffered no ill effects afterward.
  • Longevity - Majestic, being a Kherubim, is immune to all diseases, and is enormously long lived. Even the immortal lifetime of something like a vampire is nothing but a blink in the eye of Majestic's life span. Despite being thousands of years old, Majestic does age, albeit slowly.
  • Healing Factor - Majestic can heal from cuts, bruises, and even from being stabbed in the chest in seconds.
  • Flight - Can hover or fly in any direction via manipulation of gravitons (massless subatomic particles that carry the force of gravity).
  • Telescopic Vision - Can view things happening miles away as it happens.
  • Micro/Macro Vision -Can perceive things happening even on the subatomic level.
  • Electromagnetic Vision -The ability to perceive the entire electromagnetic spectrum, proven when he was capable of viewing gamma energy contained in a nuclear bomb.
  • X-Ray Vision -The ability to see through any object.
  • Heat Vision - Two red hot beams that Majestic controls at will. He can use them as minor lasers with which he can heal wounds, or he can make them be hotter in order to burn or melt through any substance.

// Perks \\

  • 1 hour prep on the battlefield!
  • Full Wiki Knowledge - including weakness and all of your gear!
  • Use Non Standard Gear - Creation blades (among other goodies) !

Phase 1 - Preparation!

First I have to say that 1 hour is more than enough time for Majestic to build anything he so desires, especially when he can bring external gear to the battlefield, not only his creation blades. Now is important to

establish Majestic brain capacity and operational speed, this is the guy that invented new technologies according to his needs in a matter of nanoseconds. In his on words: "It's a molecular disentangler, as far as I

know no one has ever invented one before.."

Another clear example of this is when he manageto rewrite/reprogram the Eradicator in the middle of the battle, which indicates incredible display of the kind of detailed and high-speed work Majestic can perform:

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From those statements, it's clear to assume that Majestic is far more capable intelect-wise than your team combined, and processes information on a much higher scale with far superior speed rate.

Moving on, with the Non-Standard Gear Perk, Majestic can and will bring his base to the battlefield during prep, in which he will have access to his super computer, which is leagues above than the Justice League Watchtower in terms of advanced technology, and this is not me saying, it was Captain Atom who recognized it, check scans below:

*It should be noted that his ship can't be scanned by anything.

"I've been to the Justice League Watchtower and it's impressive, but this, this is a whole other level!" His computer processing capacity even surpass his own, as said in the scan, "processing speed that equals to lifetimes".

That being said, time to move on to the goodies.. First of those goodies being his nano-bots, used to build and rebuild things.. This will assure a faster working rate to get things done.

So in a matter of seconds, Majestic will be able to create semi-sentient light-speed drones loaded with countless nuke bombs. They should be enough to take care of all your making, more on that later.

Another goodie will be his invisible (nanoflage) suit:

This means you won't even see what's coming for you, especially when you combine invisibility to his insane speed capacity.

Phase 2 - Prep Application!

> Bombardiers to your stations!

Since I must get past your defenses to deliver the ball, Majestic will sent his semisentient drones moving at lightspeeds to drop the bombs in your base, a nuke strike that will erase all that junk you have just created, if the blast somehow does not do the job, the EMP generated from the nuke bombs will shut down all eletronic hardware in the vicinity, turning all your tech useless. In the remote possibility of gear survive those, we still have Maxima and her ferrokinesis to mess with it, after all it was able to desconstruct the likes of Red Tornado before.

Without your gear there's nothing left to prevent a invisible Majestic from blitzing your team (most of them are fodder to him) to reach the building 72 and deliver the ball, while Maxima keep the rest of your team busy with all her might.

Phase 3 - The Counter Act!

"Your Plan"

1. First, with Basic Knowledge and his abilities, Cyborg either already knows everything about Maxima and Majestic, or he will in seconds as he scours every computer for the information. So we now have full knowledge.

2. Blue Marvel and Terrific will work on a large teleporter they'll place in front of the building on all sides, surrounding it (including the top) that will completely protect it and transport anyone that tries to get to it thousands of miles away in w/e direction

3. Cyborg, Steel, and Terrific are gonna upgrade their armors/T-Spheres with aspects from the other. T-Spheres already have whitesound, but now have the widespread option and the amount of decibels Cyborg can use. So basically:

1. Cyborg knows nothing about Majestic, as far as I'm concerned they never met before unless you can prove me wrong. He would have knowledge on Maxima an that's it. Your tech is inferior to Majestic, as alread proved, another level in terms of advanced tech, so I highly doubt you would have full knowledge on Majestic from the JL Watchtower.

2. This is useless since Majestic can strike it from distance and neutralize it with ease. Especially when you didn't add protection to it, so it's just a random teleport and since your tech is inferior, Majestic will top it with his own tech or powers.

3. Also useless from the reasons above. Without proper protection your gear/tech doesn't have ways to survive a nuke strike.

and will be using the Aegis Entropy armor

Since you don't get access to it, part of your prep is a huge fail from that point on. Even if you were allowed to use it, Majestic heat vision would just get past your armor. It was able to destroy an Imperiex-based armor before, so since you only get Steel armors, Majestic can just melt your team with his heat vision..

"The Battlefield"

With all the traps and defenses in place, it goes like this:

1. Steel armors and Aegis Entropy Steel engage Majestic and Maxima, as do Vixen (Grodd, Armored Beetle, Mantis Shrimp),Bee (in armor) Blue Marvel (in armor), and Killerbee (in armor). With the traps in place, the upgrades, and the time slow, this should be easy pickings to not just hold you back for an hour, but to win.

Since you doesn't have the entropy aegis armor, only with Steel armors your team will be outclassed by Maxima alone. She can just dismantle them with her control over metal. From this point she can just mind rape your whole team, since her psionics are strong enough to neutralize the likes of Orion and Superman. Most of your team are fodder to her except for Blue Marvel.

2. Static, Cyborg, and Terrific stay back, Terrific inside the actual building, with Steel Armor on, Static (also with armor) guarding the building (with the teleporters surrounding it). Static will set charges and attempt to attack Majestic and Maxima from far range, using his electromagnetic abilities to immobilize, slow them down, charge them, and to shut down their electric impulses in their brains and put them down/to sleep. With the others distracting them, this should work.

Without all that gear they won't be able to do a thing to prevent Majestic from delivering the ball. They don't pack enough speed/reaction speed to tag either Majestic or Maxima, so all those attempts will be useless.

3. No matter what, Maxima and Majestic cannot get in due to the traps, and the giant teleporters/portals surrounding all sides.

Since my team can erase your teleports/portals out of existance from distance, there's nothing else to preclude my team from reaching their goal.

"Summary"

1. We use time slowing+Sound (effective against Majestic's good hearing)+Aegis Entropy+Numbers to stop them from delivering the football.

2. Our traps are triggered by them and take them out that way

3. We can take them out via electric impulse canceling, brute force, TP/TK, Steel's hammer, sound, T-Sphere weapons, energy absorption/reflection, gravity, mind erase, holograms, steel's disorientating weapons, etc.

4. And we have the teleporters/sonic cannons stationed in front of the building making it impossible to penetrate.

5. We win due to covering all bases.

1. All those actions are based on tech/gear that will be either destroyed by the nuke strike or by the resulting EMP. We still have Maxima to dismantle your gear with ferrokinesis.

2. Since we neutralize them from distance that's a moot point right now.

3. Static has never used electric impulse canceling on heroes, only against zombies, unless you can prove me wrong, and even if as hero manage to somehow do it, I hardly believe he can't tag someone with Mr. Majestic speed. TP/TK are useless against Maxima far superior psionics, and Mr. Majestic own psychic defenses. Steel hammer, T-spheres are all useless at this point or against Maxima.

4. This falls under the nuke strike, so also useless..

5. You loose very badly due to a very poor strategy, using tech against a superior being with full knowledge on the enemy and more than enough time for preparation.

Phase 4 - Conclusions!

  1. My team possess superior intellect and technology thanks to Mr. Majestic.
  2. My team is far more powerfull due to both Majestic and Maxima power display.
  3. Your team is outclassed in the tech department, and all those gears created are useless.
  4. Without your creations, your team doesn't have ways to deal with either of my teammates, which means they can't prevent my team for delivering the ball.
  5. Touchdown!

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@higorm: tag me next time. thanks.

Counters

Drones

1. You called them lightspeed drones with countless nukes, but your scan didn't show that. I simply want a feat showing that the drone is:

A. Lightspeed

B. Carrying Nukes.

Because those looked like bombs, but certainly not nukes (the combined explosion didn't even match a nuke. I also have no proof Majestic built that, but baby steps.

2. The bombs would simply be boom tubed out of the area and quite easily at that. Right on top of your ship. Have fun with that. The Drone would be Boom tubed inside of your ship mid-drop off too.

3. Plus the drones are being slowed down by the time machine. Lightspeed turns to car speed. If that. Really slow. Bombs drop in slow motion.

Nanoflage Suit

1. Is there any proof of how the suit works? Does it block EM vision? Thermal scans? Gamma? X-Ray? etc. Because Terrific has experience with seeing invisible people.

2. Majestic in that scan mentions taking a damper pill or his natural aura might be seen. Unless you plan on doing that here, you'll easily be seen by our tech as we've all seen and traced others by energy signature.

see Scans section for proof of my words.

EMP

1. EMPs don't work due to a few things:

A. Steel uses EMPs himself and they have no affect on him

B. Similar things with T-Spheres and lightning (lightning emits a strong EMP)

C. Same with Cyborg

D. Static is here. It's hitting you right in the face.

Lightspeed

1. You claim there will be blitzes at lightspeed and such. Well we all shared tech and Steel's suits clearly amp his reaction speed. If only there was someone who blitzed Superman and Flash and clearly moved at lightspeed-- oh wait. Doomsday. Martian Manhunter. Even Eradicator. Take a stroll to the scans section to view Steel reacting to all of those opponents. Even throw in Supergirl and we have a deal.

Your Counters to My Plan

1. Cyborg knows nothing about Majestic, as far as I'm concerned they never met before unless you can prove me wrong. He would have knowledge on Maxima an that's it. Your tech is inferior to Majestic, as alread proved, another level in terms of advanced tech, so I highly doubt you would have full knowledge on Majestic from the JL Watchtower.

2. This is useless since Majestic can strike it from distance and neutralize it with ease. Especially when you didn't add protection to it, so it's just a random teleport and since your tech is inferior, Majestic will top it with his own tech or powers.

3. Also useless from the reasons above. Without proper protection your gear/tech doesn't have ways to survive a nuke strike.

1. I have Basic Knowledge. At the very least, I have knowledge that Majestic is essentially smart Superman with a bit more powers and no kryptonite. Now we've covered that Steel would know Majestic (they've worked/talked together), Superboy and Natasha Irons have met/fought with Majestic, and in New 52 and even some Pre-52 stories, Majestic has interacted with the Justice League. So yes, Cyborg will have knowledge on him. Not from meeting him, but from the Basic Knowledge perk+The Watchtower database+having access to every computer everywhere.

2. No it's not. The teleporters would simply teleport the attack away. And remember, the tech was all shared, any energy can be:

A. Teleported away, obviously

B. Reflected

C. Absorbed

D. Any of the above by the thousands of T-Spheres in the area

Also you forget that Majestic is being bombarded by the likes of Vixen, Killerbee, random Steel armors, Steel himself, Blue Marvel, and lots of T-Spheres. He's also being slowed down by the time machine. As are his attacks, giving us plenty of time to react.

And again, the teleporter is gonna work much like Portals, Boom Spheres, etc. but...even better (if that's possible) with all of us working on them:

So in short it'll be like this:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/12/120679/2567595-13.jpg

combined with this:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/3234203-jl4-8.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/3234371-jl11-2.jpg

combined with this:

https://worldofblackheroes.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/mightavengers20132-7.jpg

and this:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/12/120679/4607712-earth+2+-+world%27s+end+%282014-%29+011-005_1.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/12/120679/4607713-earth+2+-+world%27s+end+%282014-%29+011-005_2.jpg

In other words, nothing you can do.

Since you don't get access to it, part of your prep is a huge fail from that point on. Even if you were allowed to use it, Majestic heat vision would just get past your armor. It was able to destroy an Imperiex-based armor before, so since you only get Steel armors, Majestic can just melt your team with his heat vision..

Nope. We have energy reflectors, energy absorption (due to Cyborg), and Steel's personal armor has tanked worse and/or similar. See scans section for that.

The Battlefield

Since you doesn't have the entropy aegis armor, only with Steel armors your team will be outclassed by Maxima alone. She can just dismantle them with her control over metal. From this point she can just mind rape your whole team, since her psionics are strong enough to neutralize the likes of Orion and Superman. Most of your team are fodder to her except for Blue Marvel.

Several things.

1. T-Spheres, thousands of T-Spheres are here, each with the ability to not only use sonic weapons and other weapons that worked on Superman level beings, but they also aren't metal and have their own weapons which have taken down Captain Nazi.

2. Even better, T-Spheres have holograms that fool telepathy. So while Maxima thinks she's mindraping and ripping things apart, she's really neutralized, then mindwiped, and KO'd.

3. Static has resisted the anti-life equation so he should be fine. Vixen has Grodd's TP and is thus protected. Everyone else has T-Spheres with neural dampening technology along with Steel's anti-TP tech. So her mindrape isn't working.

4. Steel's armor has already resisted Maxima's powers. And Dr. Polaris's powers. Her powers won't work on the armors, so she'll be bombarded and destroyed by the armors+Blue Marvel+Vixen+T-Spheres.

5. Honestly, Maxima has no counter for Static taking her out of the fight via electric impulse shut down. Plus she'll be moving super slow due to the time machine.

6. The other tech was never said to be metal. Given that Cyborg's made of motherbox tech and T-Spheres are carbon nanotube, that's a strong assumption on your part. Especially given the teleportation tech my team has made in the past such.

7. As said in 4, Maxima would still have to deal with Vixen+Blue Marvel+Static+Killerbee (around continent level) and T-Spheres even if she could affect the armors. And she can't. Just saiyan.

Without all that gear they won't be able to do a thing to prevent Majestic from delivering the ball. They don't pack enough speed/reaction speed to tag either Majestic or Maxima, so all those attempts will be useless.

Vixen and Blue Marvel certainly do. Plus you gotta remember the T-Spheres. And The teleporters. And the fact that Maxima can't do anything to my gear.

Scans

Steel

Using EMP blast:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/3149565-comic+05.jpg

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tanks martian vision, tags MMH

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/3398307-mm_06_016.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/3398308-mm_06_017.jpg

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bubble guns (work vs. metahumans)

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/3074616-13.jpg

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testing weapons on supes (notice they affect him momentarily, which is enough to win this)

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/3074545-2.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/3074546-3.jpg

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disorientation agent affects him:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/3074547-4.jpg

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tags Eradicator:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/3074602-10.jpg

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armor takes supergirls heat vision:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/3075020-228.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/3075021-229.jpg

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armor immune to telepathy:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/3075198-105.jpg

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suit can go giant

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/3392466-action+comics+%281938-2011%29+806-022+%282%29.jpg

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suit's hammer has electricity:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/3392467-action+comics+%281938-2011%29+807-004+%282%29.jpg

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sonic cannon that can affect person in ghost form:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/3392435-action+comics+%281938-2011%29+808-008+%282%29.jpg

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immobilizes Doomsday with nanobytes:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/3398079-steel3_7.jpg

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anti-ion equalizer, takes out rock: near supes durability:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/3082840-superman+tmos+130-06.jpg

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Tags Doomsday:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/3398075-steel3_3.jpg

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upgrades JLA's systems (neural wipes, EM Pulses, etc.):

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/3760220-jla1mpg18.jpg

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installs electromagnetic cages in watchtower:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/4020203-jla+%2334+pg03.jpg

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turns watchtower into armor:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/4020195-jla+03115.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/4020194-jla+03116.jpg

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escapes dr. polaris's attack/powers

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/3148955-steel+%2329+11.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/3148956-steel+%2329+13.jpg

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Resists Maxima's TK:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/3140596-steel-11-10-11.jpg

Mr. Terrific

visor/t-mask can see how fast someone is, how far away they are, how many people are coming, and body temp :

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11112/111122629/3578474-9125098038-6viso.jpg

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holograms have sound, fool Telepathy

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11112/111122629/3578518-5932616537-17uhu.jpg

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holograms fool Kobra, make him think he killed sand:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11112/111122629/3578546-4186865750-2-hol.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11112/111122629/3578547-8985632513-2_2-h.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11112/111122629/3578548-0928378918-2_3-h.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11112/111122629/3578549-5345602205-2_5-h.jpg

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t-spheres blow up and force captain marvel and black adam to separate and go flying:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11112/111122629/3578520-9150771251-22-ex.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11112/111122629/3578521-4277055407-22_2-.jpg

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t-spheres release electrical charges:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11112/111122629/3578551-7523442403-16ele.jpg

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t-spheres tell him when people are sneaking up on him:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11112/111122629/3578575-8465198302-13-ba.jpg

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uses t-spheres to capture and KO captain nazi:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11112/111122629/3578581-7932459664-55582.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11112/111122629/3578582-0034679320-55973.jpg

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t-sphere blocks mind control:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/12/120679/2567639-mrterrific_02_04.jpg

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neural dampening field (prevents mind control) with t-spheres, over large area:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/2568708-mrterrific_02_16.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/2568711-mrterrific_02_17.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/2568768-mrterrific_02_18.jpg

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thousands of t-spheres:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/2568773-mt_03_08.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/2568774-mt_03_09.jpg

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mind erase:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/2568967-mt_03_16.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/2568968-mt_03_17.jpg

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t-sphere can create gravity fields/wells:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/2573555-mister_terrific_07_05_copy.jpg

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t-spheres detect paranormal:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/2573556-mister_terrific_07_08_copy.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/2573557-mister_terrific_07_09_copy.jpg

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t-spheres can see entire EM spectrum (and invisible people):

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/2573558-mister_terrific_07_10_copy.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/2573559-mister_terrific_07_11_copy.jpg

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counters gamma suits (invisibility):

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/2573562-mister_terrific_07_15_copy.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/2573564-mister_terrific_07_16_copy.jpg

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t-spheres using lightning/electricity again:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/2573801-004.jpg

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t-spheres hitting captain nazi and hurting him:

http://i.imgur.com/BZVdO0Z.jpg

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18 terajoules of electricity:

http://i.imgur.com/4XQuhgW.jpg

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t-spheres read energy:

http://i.imgur.com/NzVe1JH.jpg

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jams teleportation:

http://i.imgur.com/Jugqzi9.jpg

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t-spheres magnetize:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/4563786-misterterrific-1-zone-005.jpg

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Cyborg

sonic cannon:

http://i.imgur.com/DVGI2G6.jpg

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sonic cannon again:

http://i.imgur.com/SbEMrEn.jpg

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widespread sonic cannon, takes down deathstroke:

http://i.imgur.com/OCEGip1.jpg

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sonic cannon blows back titans (inlcuding Miss Martian):

http://i.imgur.com/luV5SFg.jpg

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sonic cannon damages Red Tornado:

http://i.imgur.com/mNWjWP5.jpg

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absorbs energy, adaptation:

http://i.imgur.com/kZvMsZC.jpg

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reflection shield:

http://i.imgur.com/aIevqJf.jpg

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steals someone's powers:

http://i.imgur.com/6YbY47M.jpg

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one million decibels of sound:

http://i.imgur.com/paFwaaR.jpg

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zillions of decibels?:

http://i.imgur.com/usvn1cq.jpg

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traces where people are via ash:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/4604359-justice+league+%282011-%29+041-013.jpg

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temporal and anti-matter readouts:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/4604373-convergence+%282015%29+007-001_cyborg.jpg

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hurts parasite:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/4644033-justice+league+of+america+%282015-%29+001-044.jpg

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can hear machines/ai talking:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/12/120679/4517687-superman-wonder+woman+%282013-%29+011-012.jpg

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oneshots apokalips's warhound army:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/4510043-cyborg_batmanandrobin_36_1.jpg

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has emp:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/4500591-2.jpg

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track someone by energy signature and guess powerset:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_medium/12/120679/3235368-justice+league+%282011-%29+022-013.jpg

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breaks down cell designed to hold doomsday:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/4511293-forever+evil+%282013-%29+006-012.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/4511294-forever+evil+%282013-%29+007-004.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/4511295-forever+evil+%282013-%29+007-005.jpg

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can see energy signatures:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/12/120679/4500384-cyborg_justiceleague19_2_1.jpg

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white noise cannon widespread:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/4504839-cyborg_aquaman_16_4.jpg

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teleports team:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/3234370-jl11-1.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/3234371-jl11-2.jpg

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white noise cannon vaporizes parademons:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/3234196-jl4-3.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/3234197-jl4-4.jpg

Blue Marvel

teleporter:

https://worldofblackheroes.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/mightavengers20132-7.jpg

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sees down to the quark level:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11112/111124216/3453108-5.png

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can blast off of hearing when blind:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11114/111147613/4306400-captain+america+and+the+mighty+avengers+%232+%282015%29+-+page+12.jpg

The Battlefield

1. You are seen despite invisibility due to various scanners, energy signature readers, etc. and bombarded by thousands of white noise/sonic cannons. Seeing what they did to the Titans, Parademons, and Parasite, they will not only hurt you but destroy your hearing as it is enhanced.

2. The T-Spheres also attack you how they did Captain Nazi and use holograms to fool you and Maxima and use Cyborg's tech to absorb energy, reflect it, and steal powers. Steel's Hammer (from his armor and his other suits) is used to hurt you as it's done Eradicator and Doomsday, plus we have nanite weapons, Static's EM powers other lightning and electric powers, magnetism, and so on.

3. We also have the likes of Vixen and Killerbee on the attack, the traps set, and the time machine slowing you down.

4. Maxima can't affect us due to Steel's armor and our tech not being metal, as well as T-Spheres blocking her TP. Steel and Cyborg's tech protect from anything Majestic can do, and we have the teleporters preventing you from ever getting to the building and you can't destroy them. And EMPs are proven not to work.

Summary

1. The onslaught of thousands of T-Spheres with that level of tech (sound which actually affects you MORE due to being super, power stealing, energy absorption and reflection, actual Superman level attacks, holograms, etc.) combined with Steel's armors and our people (like Blue Marvel who's KO'd Sentry in a punch, defeated King Hyperion, etc. and Vixen who's taken the best Superman has gotten and has hurt Despero), and our traps makes sure your team is going down.

2. Our defense with the armors, all the integrated tech, thousands of T-Spheres and the teleporters (boom sphere, boom tube, t-sphere, blue marvel teleporter hybrid with no metal and nothing to destroy) makes it impossible for you to hurt us and to reach the building.

3. Plus the time machine slows you down considerably, turning your speed to a disadvantage.

4. No touch down for you!

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#15  Edited By HigorM  Moderator

@lukehero: @darkraiden:

Rebuttals

My Drones!

1. You called them lightspeed drones with countless nukes, but your scan didn't show that. I simply want a feat showing that the drone is:

A. Lightspeed

B. Carrying Nukes.

Because those looked like bombs, but certainly not nukes (the combined explosion didn't even match a nuke. I also have no proof Majestic built that, but baby steps.

2. The bombs would simply be boom tubed out of the area and quite easily at that. Right on top of your ship. Have fun with that. The Drone would be Boom tubed inside of your ship mid-drop off too.

3. Plus the drones are being slowed down by the time machine. Lightspeed turns to car speed. If that. Really slow. Bombs drop in slow motion.

So I need to provide you more feats just because you don't accept that one? I don't think so. I know this is your debating-style, you rather prefer to just refuse something with no good reason, but that doesn't mean I need to buy it. I'm positive that voters won't either.

The scan clearly indicates lightspeed and a nuke strike, with the mushroom cloud and everything, you're going to need a better argument than "looked like bombs, but certainly not nukes". Are an expert on nuclear warfare?

I'm going to prove they move at the speed of light but not because you asked, this is going to the voters who might be interested or doubtful..

That's right, "trans-light velocity". That being said, I hardly believe your boom tubes would be able to do anything to the drones or it's nuke strike, unless you can prove me wrong.

  • Show me a feat where any of your characters manage to teleport something moving at the speed of light.
  • Show me another scan indicating that any of your teammembers manage to created something close to a time machine capable of slowing beings moving at the speed of light.

It's for you to prove your claims instead of asking for feats. First you back your claims with real arguments then you can try to disput anything.

Invisible Suit!

1. Is there any proof of how the suit works? Does it block EM vision? Thermal scans? Gamma? X-Ray? etc. Because Terrific has experience with seeing invisible people.

2. Majestic in that scan mentions taking a damper pill or his natural aura might be seen. Unless you plan on doing that here, you'll easily be seen by our tech as we've all seen and traced others by energy signature.

see Scans section for proof of my words.

1. The suit turns him invisible as you can clearly see in the scan. Terrific has experience seeing invisble people, but how about someone moving with the faster than the speed of light? Did he ever manage to see someone that was invisible and moving at that much speed? Can you show me with a scan?

2. I'm not sure why you brought that up since I never mentioned he would use damper pills, so this is irrelevant. Please keep focus on the actual debate, that was not inserted anywhere in my opening post.

I saw all your scans and most of them are either useless or out of context, which means they don't apply to this battle.

EMP

1. EMPs don't work due to a few things:

A. Steel uses EMPs himself and they have no affect on him

B. Similar things with T-Spheres and lightning (lightning emits a strong EMP)

C. Same with Cyborg

D. Static is here. It's hitting you right in the face.

A) Your only feat for Steel using EMP was a very poor showing against fodder. It doesn't prove he is resistant to it, unless you can show me a scan where we can clearly see him being able to resist something close to the EMP generated by a nuke strike.

B) "Similar thing" - That's another example of how great is your argumentation power and/or line of reasoning. You now compare lightning to a nuclear blast. 'Nuff said. Oh, and you didn't presented one single evidence from Mr. Terrific dealing with EMP either..

C) Another baseless assumption from your part.. No feats or even convincing arguments presented here..

D) So what? He's gonna hit who in the face? With What? How? Please you need to be more clear with your statements..

Lightspeed!

1. You claim there will be blitzes at lightspeed and such. Well we all shared tech and Steel's suits clearly amp his reaction speed. If only there was someone who blitzed Superman and Flash and clearly moved at lightspeed-- oh wait. Doomsday. Martian Manhunter. Even Eradicator. Take a stroll to the scans section to view Steel reacting to all of those opponents. Even throw in Supergirl and we have a deal.

More unsubstantiated claims and poor reasoning on top of out of context scans, don't you tire? Good lord.

The fact that you need to amp your team like that it's only proof of how week they are in comparison to my team. Shame on you.

You can amp them all you want, they will be still below the needed capacity to deal with Mr. Majestic.

"take a stroll to the scans section.." - Your scans shows Steel doing the following:

  • Throwing his hammer to a stationary Doomsday, who was clearly dealing with someone else until Steel appeared.
  • Coming from behind and throwing his hammer against Eradicator who wasn't aware of his presence and was also stationary taking the shooting for random cops. (and "tags Eradicator" was your definition for this scan.. brilliant..)
  • Taking a blast from MMH that only proves he can be easily tagged by either Maxima or Majestic, then he comes back and throws his hammer that hit MMH in the face but does absolutely nothing to him as we can see him fine in the same panel trashing ther other heroes.

Your scans proves absolutely nothing. Especially when all those people were all standing still and distracted. Mr. Majestic if flying at a speed beyond your comprehension even with all those futile amps.

Since we are talking about lightspeed, let's talk about Mr. Majestic Speed!

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Let's see how fast he can be shall we?

Next scans shows Majestic traveling from Saturn to Earth in a matter of moments to save his friend Desmond:

Since Majestic travels beyond the speed of light, all your sonic-based weapons are useless against him.

Counters & Co.

1. I have Basic Knowledge. At the very least, I have knowledge that Majestic is essentially smart Superman with a bit more powers and no kryptonite. Now we've covered that Steel would know Majestic (they've worked/talked together), Superboy and Natasha Irons have met/fought with Majestic, and in New 52 and even some Pre-52 stories, Majestic has interacted with the Justice League. So yes, Cyborg will have knowledge on him. Not from meeting him, but from the Basic Knowledge perk+The Watchtower database+having access to every computer everywhere.

You would have basic knowledge on him and that's it. You wouldn't be aware of all his feats and capabilities nor all his tech since Majestic tech is far superior to the Justice League as already proved. That's a moot point anyways since your team has no way to predict or counter his advanced tech or powers.

2. No it's not. The teleporters would simply teleport the attack away. And remember, the tech was all shared, any energy can be:

A. Teleported away, obviously

B. Reflected

C. Absorbed

D. Any of the above by the thousands of T-Spheres in the area

As already proved, the semi-sentient drones moves at lightspeed and unless you can prove me wrong your teleporters or machines, which are inferior tech, can't deal with a light speed nuke strike, nor light-speed attacks from Majestic, which can happen at the same time and from distance.

Also you forget that Majestic is being bombarded by the likes of Vixen, Killerbee, random Steel armors, Steel himself, Blue Marvel, and lots of T-Spheres. He's also being slowed down by the time machine. As are his attacks, giving us plenty of time to react.

Bombarded with what? How? They are a bunch of fodder expect for maybe Blue Marvel who all lack both the speed and power to deal with someone like him.

Majestic would laugh about your machinery. He possess hyper-senses and nano-second reaction speed, he was even able toview an object as small as a dust mote that was travelling at 6x the speed of light. He can pretty much see all your stuff from distance, scan it within a nanosecond, and just build a device to counter it, since as already proved he can just create things from scratch, even tech that doesn't existed before to fulfill his needs. You have nothing, literally nothing to use against him, or to bring to the table that he wouldn't have ways to deal with.

Nope. We have energy reflectors, energy absorption (due to Cyborg), and Steel's personal armor has tanked worse and/or similar. See scans section for that.

And it's all junk compared to Majestic far advanced tech prowess. Steel armor wasn't even able to deal with Supergirl, imagine Majestic. Your owns scans shows him going down after one of her strikes.

Also if legal, I'd like to substitute (since Steel is obviously planning a big armor to bring, but Aegis is out) the Watchtower armor instead.

I guess it's a bit too late for that, you should have asked before posting it.

"The Battlefield"

Several things.

1. T-Spheres, thousands of T-Spheres are here, each with the ability to not only use sonic weapons and other weapons that worked on Superman level beings, but they also aren't metal and have their own weapons which have taken down Captain Nazi.

2. Even better, T-Spheres have holograms that fool telepathy. So while Maxima thinks she's mindraping and ripping things apart, she's really neutralized, then mindwiped, and KO'd.

3. Static has resisted the anti-life equation so he should be fine. Vixen has Grodd's TP and is thus protected. Everyone else has T-Spheres with neural dampening technology along with Steel's anti-TP tech. So her mindrape isn't working.

4. Steel's armor has already resisted Maxima's powers. And Dr. Polaris's powers. Her powers won't work on the armors, so she'll be bombarded and destroyed by the armors+Blue Marvel+Vixen+T-Spheres.

5. Honestly, Maxima has no counter for Static taking her out of the fight via electric impulse shut down. Plus she'll be moving super slow due to the time machine.

6. The other tech was never said to be metal. Given that Cyborg's made of motherbox tech and T-Spheres are carbon nanotube, that's astrong assumption on your part.

7. As said in 4, Maxima would still have to deal with Vixen+Blue Marvel+Static+Killerbee (around continent level) and T-Spheres even if she could affect the armors. And she can't. Just saiyan.

1. All useless gear against Majestic. Sonic guns against someone who moves at the speed of light, nice try. They never tagged someone as fast as him either.

2. Maxima's first move is to dismantle your gear if necessary, not use psionics, this comes after her ferrokinesis, which your team has no defense. I also find it a big of a stretch from your part, trying to mindwipe Maxima, really? With all her psionic prowess? Good luck trying to sell that to the voters.

Taking the opportunity, I'd like to talk more about Maxima's ferrokinesis:

Maxima has exhibited immense telekinetic control over metals at the molecular level. She can cause metal to melt with a thought, or rearrange the molecules of scraps into anything she chooses, such as weapons or armor. In Justice League America No. 63, Maxima used her psionic power over metal to breach the hull of a wrecked interstellar craft that was submerged at the bottom of Manhattan's East River.

Three more examples of her ferrokinesis are in the following three books. Extreme Justice No. 6, Maxima used this ability to isolate herself atop a massive metal tower. When Captain Atom ascended the tower to try and reason with her, Maxima restrained him with metal tendrils that she animated in a liquid-like fashion out of the structure around her. In Justice League America No. 73, Dr. Destiny was responsible for making several Justice League members act very much out of character. The rogue heroes were capturing, torturing, and maiming super-villains. When one of the prison ships that they were using to capture super-villains attacked Maxima, she focused her ferrokinesis into a beam, and disassembled the ship into its separate components without incinerating the men inside. Later, in the same story-arc told in Justice League America No. 75 , Maxima directed this ability on the Red Tornado, easily pulling him apart.

3. All that tech and resistance feats are useless against her mind-bolts, let me explain you why:

The powerful Almeracian Mind Bolt, Psi-bolt, or Psychic Blast is a favorite of those in the Royal House. This skill is typically depicted as emanating from an Almeracian's forehead. Unlike the optical force beams, the Mind Bolt targets an opponent's mind directly by delivering pain, unconsciousness, brain damage, or even death. Regardless of all his physical strength and Mother Box enhanced defenses, Orion was quickly rendered paralyzed when Maxima turned this deadly power on him during the 'Panic In The Sky' event in Superman No. 65. At the conclusion of the same story arc in Superman No. 66, Maxima was in the process of killing Brainiac using this ability, but Superman intervened just before it was too late. Brainiac was left in a lobotomized state.

You don't have tech at the Motherbox level nor resistance to a mind-bolt that is clearly different than mind-control so Static feat is useless here. That being said, Maxima alone can tear your team apart while Majestic delivers the touchdown!

4. Steel merely resisted a TK assault and it doesn't even explain how, another out of context scan from you since you don't post references neither the full context of what happened. As for Dr. Polaris, his powers work in a entirely different way, not to mention that he was still able to affect Steel with his power, that only proves Steel would be incapacitated here. The rest of your team are fodder and doesn't have enough power or speed to either tag Maxima or inflict damage on her. After all she can not only travel at high speeds comparable to Superman but also teleport and protect herself with force-fields.

5. First of all, and you have never disputed this argument from laters encounters and has ignored it from my initial post, Static has never used such thing against regular people, heroes and the such. The only time he used it was against zombies! You need to stop with that no limit fallacy!

6. Metal or not doesn't matter, Maxima uses TK works on the molecular level and she still have matter manipulation to mess with your gear, there's no scape from her powers.

7. Maxima was strong enough to deal with Doomsday, neutralize the likes of Superman and Orion with one single attack, lobotomize Brainiac, and the list goes on, your team means nothing to her.

Vixen and Blue Marvel certainly do. Plus you gotta remember the T-Spheres. And The teleporters. And the fact that Maxima can't do anything to my gear.

Please, I beg you, explain to me how either Vixen or Blue Marvel will do to stop Mr. Majestic speed if they can't even see him?! The rest is just junk gear at this point so also moot point at the moment.

"The Battlefield²"

1. You are seen despite invisibility due to various scanners, energy signature readers, etc. and bombarded by thousands of white noise/sonic cannons. Seeing what they did to the Titans, Parademons, and Parasite, they will not only hurt you but destroy your hearing as it is enhanced.

Unless you can prove me your team can scan someone flying invisible at the speed of light your argument is a baseless assumption. None of those feats presented indicates your team could even react to Mach 12, let alone lightspeed. As already said, sound-based attacks means nothing to a lightspeeder, literally nothing. How fast were those titans and parademons? They move at the speed of light? How will Cyborg do to get in close range like he did to Parasite do deliver a sonic based attack to a lightspeeder?

2. The T-Spheres also attack you how they did Captain Nazi and use holograms to fool you and Maxima and use Cyborg's tech to absorb energy, reflect it, and steal powers. Steel's Hammer (from his armor and his other suits) is used to hurt you as it's done Eradicator and Doomsday, plus we have nanite weapons, Static's EM powers other lightning and electric powers, magnetism, and so on.

Please show me the T-Spheres moving at the speed of light. Majestic is not even using energy-based attacks against your time in the first place, why are you bringing up this "absorb energy" argument, which is quite poor to be honest, I don't know if you read your own scans but Cyborg has a clear limitation just like Bishop has and if was hit with enough energy he would be overwhelmed by it, as we can see in the scan:

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Looks like an incapacitation for me, even if for a brief moment, for someone like Majestic and his nanosecond reaction time, that's more than enough.

3. We also have the likes of Vixen and Killerbee on the attack, the traps set, and the time machine slowing you down.

And what have those fodder done to pose as a threat to Majestros? All your machinery is junk tech by now so this is another moot point.

4. Maxima can't affect us due to Steel's armor and our tech not being metal, as well as T-Spheres blocking her TP. Steel and Cyborg's tech protect from anything Majestic can do, and we have the teleporters preventing you from ever getting to the building and you can't destroy them. And EMPs are proven not to work.

Maxima dominates both ferrokinesis and matter manipulation plus TK on the molecular level. Not to mention that your gear will already be gone until the point she manage to engage your team.

Steel and Cyborg tech can't protect them from "anything Majestic can do", which is another baseless assumption from your part, especially due to the reasons set out below:

  1. Your team doesn't have full knowledge on him, even with the use of the JL Watchtower.
  2. Majestros alien tech is far superior in comparison to your tech, which was confirmed by both feats and on panel statements by JLA member (Captain Atom).
  3. Without full knowledge and with inferior tech you can't possibily achieve ways to prepare yourself for "anything" a superior being can do, that's a very poor reasoning.

Your "Summary"

1. The onslaught of thousands of T-Spheres with that level of tech (sound which actually affects you MORE due to being super, power stealing, energy absorption and reflection, actual Superman level attacks, holograms, etc.) combined with Steel's armors and our people (like Blue Marvel who's KO'd Sentry in a punch, defeated King Hyperion, etc. and Vixen who's taken the best Superman has gotten and has hurt Despero), and our traps makes sure your team is going down.

The fact that you try so despairingly to sell this sound-based attacks idea gives me the certainty of how much unprepared and outclassed you are in this fight. I won't repeat myself so I'll only say this: speed of sound < speed of light. None of your team members has effective ways to even touch Majestic (who is not even fighting them, he's delivering the ball), and they can't even effectively deal with Maxima, let alone Majestros. Your tech is like a school science fair compared to him.

2. Our defense with the armors, all the integrated tech, thousands of T-Spheres and the teleporters (boom sphere, boom tube, t-sphere, blue marvel teleporter hybrid with no metal and nothing to destroy) makes it impossible for you to hurt us and to reach the building.

Your defenses means nothing to a far superior being, both in power and intellect, with superior tech and full knowledge on the enemy, someone who can build and create new tech according to his needs, which basically means he can out prep you anytime, anywhere, doing so even from scratch, your whole team combined does not pose as a threat to him and all his might, as proven by feats and not baseless assumptions.

3. Plus the time machine slows you down considerably, turning your speed to a disadvantage.

A time machine that was never shown to work the way you presented it nor being able to slow being moving at the speed of light.

4. No touch down for you!

I'll let the voters decide that..

Now let's assume you won't buy any of that like you normally do, I'll present one more feat for Mr. Majestic..

Mr. Majestic - nanosecond reaction speed!

This scan shows him sensing a disturbance that lets him know someone is about to teleport, note that he says he's only getting a nanosecond of advance warning, and yet was still able to get both process the information but also get to where his enemy would appear, striking him before he even fully materializes. So he gets a nanosecond warning of the teleport and Spartan hasn't even finished teleporting when Majestic reacts to him!

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His hyper-senses allows him to react at the nano-seconds. Next scans shows him dealing with Spartan with Void powers. But who is that guy you may ask right? Let me explain to you..

He's an android created by Emp and given the personality of another Kherubim warrior. He is a member of WildC.A.T.S and leader of the Halo Corporation.

The Spartans are fully sentient robots that are built as personal bodyguards as well as a police force on Khera. Each Spartan has a "brain" more powerful than any other computer (on Earth or otherwise), is programmed to be able to use any technology it comes across, is equipped with powerful lasers, is skilled in armed and unarmed combat, has superhuman levels of strength, speed and durability, superhuman senses, and posses the ability to fly. Over the years Spartan has been upgraded many times and is even more powerful than he was originally. The greatest change was his acquisition of Void's powers.

Spartan is now capable of teleporting himself, others and objects from place to place with no effort. Distance is not an issue (he has easily gone from his office to space and back) and neither is precision. He can teleport specific things, large groups and even move different things all across the world at the same time. His teleportation also allows him to enter other dimensions at will. Aside from teleportation, Void's powers increased all of Spartan's physical attributes, making him now strong, fast and durable enough to face beings like Mr. Majestic in all out combat. His use of energy has also been affected and increased.

So basically Mr. Majestic was able to deal with a robot that was created with the kind of tech Majestic is using here, so superior to yours, who possess incredible teleportation powers from Void, yet not enough to overcome Majestic in a battle as he was able to react to his teleportation with nano-second reaction speed.

To Summarize..

  • Maxima alone is a nightmare for your team since she can neutralize your tech with either TK at the molecular level, Ferrokinesis or Matter Manipulation.
  • Mr. Majestic possess superior tech combined with full wiki knowledge and the fact he can create new tech from scratch according to his needs, so he can just build something especially designed to deal with your gear, which is something he has done before as proved by feats.
  • Your tech can survive a nuke strike being delivered by sentient drones moving at the speed of light, especially when all your machinery is based on conjectures and no feat for speed of light was presented.
  • Without your tech most of your team become fodder to either of my team members, and Maxima alone can deal with your team with the multitude of powers she can display, while Majestic effortlessly delivers the ball.

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Drones

So I need to provide you more feats just because you don't accept that one? I don't think so. I know this is your debating-style, you rather prefer to just refuse something with no good reason, but that doesn't mean I need to buy it. I'm positive that voters won't either.

The scan clearly indicates lightspeed and a nuke strike, with the mushroom cloud and everything, you're going to need a better argument than "looked like bombs, but certainly not nukes". Are an expert on nuclear warfare?

I'm going to prove they move at the speed of light but not because you asked, this is going to the voters who might be interested or doubtful..

That's right, "trans-light velocity". That being said, I hardly believe your boom tubes would be able to do anything to the drones or it's nuke strike, unless you can prove me wrong.

  • Show me a feat where any of your characters manage to teleport something moving at the speed of light.
  • Show me another scan indicating that any of your teammembers manage to created something close to a time machine capable of slowing beings moving at the speed of light.

Actually the first scan didn't indicate anything about speed. That's why I asked for further feats. The nukes thing is obvious, if each of those bombs were nukes, the explosion would be a lot bigger. Combined they looked like a nuke, which is totally different.

  • Feat where we managed to teleport something moving at the speed of light:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/12/120679/4607712-earth+2+-+world%27s+end+%282014-%29+011-005_1.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/12/120679/4607713-earth+2+-+world%27s+end+%282014-%29+011-005_2.jpg

Boom sphere made by Mr. Terrific, teleport Darkseid's Omega Effect.

  • Feat indicating we can create a time machine

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/3760217-jla1mpg06.jpg

Steel already has one

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http://i.imgur.com/ZLHO6EF.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/G30v4sN.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/ElkjNN9.jpg

Static's already made things to contain speed

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http://i.imgur.com/wVpe4nI.jpg

Terrific sends message back in time through blackhole

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http://i.imgur.com/3wbQFqH.jpg

Terrific designs T-Sphere to send messages back and forth through time

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http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/12/120679/4561911-dcup_0_thegroup_013_2.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/4561913-dcup_0_thegroup_014.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/4561914-dcup_0_thegroup_015.jpg

Terrific seeing possible futures aka dealing with time

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http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/4604373-convergence+%282015%29+007-001_cyborg.jpg

Cyborg can see/scan temporal readouts.

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So overall, we have several members of my team already familiar with quantum physics and time manipulation, as well as another member in Blue Marvel who is a genius in his own right.

Invisible Suit

1. The suit turns him invisible as you can clearly see in the scan. Terrific has experience seeing invisble people, but how about someone moving with the faster than the speed of light? Did he ever manage to see someone that was invisible and moving at that much speed? Can you show me with a scan?

2. I'm not sure why you brought that up since I never mentioned he would use damper pills, so this is irrelevant. Please keep focus on the actual debate, that was not inserted anywhere in my opening post.

I saw all your scans and most of them are either useless or out of context, which means they don't apply to this battle.

1. That won't be a problem. Because

A. Steel has reacted to lightspeeders. And with the same tech Terrific has, he can see lightspeeders.

B. Same With Blue marvel

C. You're not lightspeed due to the time machine

D. The sound attacks have also slowed you down

E. You can't get past the teleporters (boom sphere/portal hybrid).

2. Damper pills matter simply because the scan mentioned that Majestic has an aura that can be read/seen. This indicates he gives off an energy signature, and everyone on my team outside of Vixen and Killerbee can see and track and analyze energy signatures. This means that your invisible suit does literally nothing.

EMP

A) Your only feat for Steel using EMP was a very poor showing against fodder. It doesn't prove he is resistant to it, unless you can show me a scan where we can clearly see him being able to resist something close to the EMP generated by a nuke strike.

B) "Similar thing" - That's another example of how great is your argumentation power and/or line of reasoning. You now compare lightning to a nuclear blast. 'Nuff said. Oh, and you didn't presented one single evidence from Mr. Terrific dealing with EMP either..

C) Another baseless assumption from your part.. No feats or even convincing arguments presented here..

D) So what? He's gonna hit who in the face? With What? How? Please you need to be more clear with your statements..

A. He used an EMP right next to himself. That indicates that his technology can withstand one. Plus he's been hit by one and survived (before this incident) and it was from Electric Blue Superman, so it's safe to say that it was >=one generated by a nuke.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/3149405-steel_44_10.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/3149406-steel_44_11.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/3149407-steel_44_12.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/3149408-steel_44_15.jpg

And this is, again, before that feat which is why he mentions in the EMP scans that he found out the hard way what an EMP does.

B. Lightning is literally an EMP and a greater one than a nuclear blast.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_pulse#Nuclear_.28NEMP.29_and_high_altitude_nuclear_.28HEMP.29

And given that a severe thunderstorm has more energy released than the weakest nuke, and one of them is literally made of electricity, i'd say they're comparable:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orders_of_magnitude_%28energy%29

C. Cyborg has also been hit with lightning (as shown, a literal EMP) and has used one himself. Look at the scans I presented.

D. Static has electromagnetic powers. He literally generates and absorbs and cancels lightning. It's pretty obvious. He can counter EMPs.

And for reference, concerning the lightning from T-Spheres:

18 terajoules = 18 trillion joules, lightning bolt = 10 billion joules. 1800 lightning bolts. AKA far more electricity than found in a lightning bolt. EMPs aren't affecting T-Spheres.

https://van.physics.illinois.edu/qa/listing.php?id=2280

http://www.physics.org/facts/toast-really.asp

Lightspeed

More unsubstantiated claims and poor reasoning on top of out of context scans, don't you tire? Good lord.

The fact that you need to amp your team like that it's only proof of how week they are in comparison to my team. Shame on you.

You can amp them all you want, they will be still below the needed capacity to deal with Mr. Majestic.

"take a stroll to the scans section.." - Your scans shows Steel doing the following:

  • Throwing his hammer to a stationary Doomsday, who was clearly dealing with someone else until Steel appeared.
  • Coming from behind and throwing his hammer against Eradicator who wasn't aware of his presence and was also stationary taking the shooting for random cops. (and "tags Eradicator" was your definition for this scan.. brilliant..)
  • Taking a blast from MMH that only proves he can be easily tagged by either Maxima or Majestic, then he comes back and throws his hammer that hit MMH in the face but does absolutely nothing to him as we can see him fine in the same panel trashing ther other heroes.

Your scans proves absolutely nothing. Especially when all those people were all standing still and distracted. Mr. Majestic if flying at a speed beyond your comprehension even with all those futile amps.

Since we are talking about lightspeed, let's talk about Mr. Majestic Speed!

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Let's see how fast he can be shall we?

Next scans shows Majestic traveling from Saturn to Earth in a matter of moments to save his friend Desmond:

Since Majestic travels beyond the speed of light, all your sonic-based weapons are useless against him.

1. My scans show Steel throwing his hammer, then the likes of Doomsday and Eradicator and Martian Manhunter turning around and seeing the hammer, and then getting hit anyways. That's multiple people with FTL reaction speeds being hit/caught off guard by Steel.

2. Mach 12 is hilariously slow, thanks for showing just how slow Majestic will usually travel in a non-crisis situation.

For reference, T-Spheres themselves have tagged faster people and have been stated to travel much faster than Mach 12. Lightning (Static) is far faster than Mach 12.

T-Spheres even move much faster than that:

http://i.imgur.com/7niSH17.jpg

That's mach 68 at least and that's not even said to be top speed.

3. May I remind you that Sentry has similar feats and Blue Marvel still tagged him, without any of these amps (suits, T-Spheres, etc.). Plus Vixen has blocked and reacted to a bloodlusted Superman. Majestic's not too fast for my team, sorry.

4. As for sonic-based weapons being useless, I'll address that in it's own specific section.

Countering Counters

You would have basic knowledge on him and that's it. You wouldn't be aware of all his feats and capabilities nor all his tech since Majestic tech is far superior to the Justice League as already proved. That's a moot point anyways since your team has no way to predict or counter his advanced tech or powers.

Wrong. Majestic is in the JL database, and in New 52 is widely known. Your tech being so-called superior doesn't protect you from having files on you and videos or tales of your exploits.

As already proved, the semi-sentient drones moves at lightspeed and unless you can prove me wrong your teleporters or machines, which are inferior tech, can't deal with a light speed nuke strike, nor light-speed attacks from Majestic, which can happen at the same time and from distance.

Already proven that teleporters work on lightspeed attacks, and we have the time machine slowing you down. Cyborg and T-Spheres could likely also hack your drone, and Boom Tubes could get rid of it easily.

Majestic gets handled by sonic weaponry, the time machine slowing him down, and being tagged by the likes of Steel, Blue Marvel, Vixen, and the T-Spheres.

Bombarded with what? How? They are a bunch of fodder expect for maybe Blue Marvel who all lack both the speed and power to deal with someone like him.

Majestic would laugh about your machinery. He possess hyper-senses and nano-second reaction speed, he was even able toview an object as small as a dust mote that was travelling at 6x the speed of light. He can pretty much see all your stuff from distance, scan it within a nanosecond, and just build a device to counter it, since as already proved he can just create things from scratch, even tech that doesn't existed before to fulfill his needs. You have nothing, literally nothing to use against him, or to bring to the table that he wouldn't have ways to deal with.

1. No fodder. Steel has hurt beings Majestic can barely match such as Eradicator and Doomsday. T-Spheres have hurt the likes of Captain Nazi who is also on Majestic's level. Your speed is gone and Majestic's never actually created anything of note in a nanosecond. And he won't be able to counter anything with the sonic attacks destroying him.

2. Blue Marvel has hit faster and KO'd more durable people such as Sentry and King Hyperion. And he's amped here.

3. Don't forget Vixen as well who's hurt more durable people in Despero. And Cyborg who hurt Parasite.

4. For damage, don't forget Steel's various weapons that held and worked on Superman, lightning, magnetism, anti-matter, etc.

And it's all junk compared to Majestic far advanced tech prowess. Steel armor wasn't even able to deal with Supergirl, imagine Majestic. Your owns scans shows him going down after one of her strikes.

Majestic's not particularly stronger or faster than Supergirl. And Steel's prototype armor easily withstood everything Supergirl gave him without a scratch. Literally no damage on him.

Also if legal, I'd like to substitute (since Steel is obviously planning a big armor to bring, but Aegis is out) the Watchtower armor instead.

I guess it's a bit too late for that, you should have asked before posting it.

Not even in my final post as I didn't want it. You should read more carefully.

Battlefield Counters

1. All useless gear against Majestic. Sonic guns against someone who moves at the speed of light, nice try. They never tagged someone as fast as him either.

2. Maxima's first move is to dismantle your gear if necessary, not use psionics, this comes after her ferrokinesis, which your team has no defense. I also find it a big of a stretch from your part, trying to mindwipe Maxima, really? With all her psionic prowess? Good luck trying to sell that to the voters.

Taking the opportunity, I'd like to talk more about Maxima's ferrokinesis:

1. Not true at all. You have to address how he's going to deal with attacks that hurt people on his level like Captain Nazi, Doomsday, Eradicator, Superman, etc. And how he can deal with power stealing, being slowed down by time machines, lightning, etc. Plus sound. But sound gets it's own thing. BTW, as you'll see, sound has traditionally always worked against people who move speed of light and FTL. And Majestic himself has been tagged by sonic attacks.

2. She won't have time. She's being bombarded too and her ferrokinesis is useless. T-Spheres aren't metal, Steel's armor already survived her powers without incident, and powered through magnetic powers. Her ferrokinesis is useless as is her psionic attacks.

3. All that tech and resistance feats are useless against her mind-bolts, let me explain you why:

You don't have tech at the Motherbox level nor resistance to a mind-bolt that is clearly different than mind-control so Static feat is useless here. That being said, Maxima alone can tear your team apart while Majestic delivers the touchdown!

3. Nah. Attacking the mind is attacking the mind. No matter how you slice it. And Steel's tech and T-Spheres have shown resistance to that. Plus Vixen has Grodd's powers to deal with that and T-Spheres have holograms. So Maxima will be mind bolting the air, doing nothing.

And we literally have motherbox resistance (Orion doesn't have as much due to it having to spend energy on calming his range) as Cyborg literally has motherbox technology and Steel has literally fashioned a TP shield out of one before. So...try again.

Oh and Majestic can't deliver the touchdown even if we were all dead. The teleporters see to that. He has no way to get through or around them. They're just stationary portals that teleport any and everything and can't be destroyed no matter what he does.

4. Steel merely resisted a TK assault and it doesn't even explain how, another out of context scan from you since you don't post references neither the full context of what happened. As for Dr. Polaris, his powers work in a entirely different way, not to mention that he was still able to affect Steel with his power, that only proves Steel would be incapacitated here. The rest of your team are fodder and doesn't have enough power or speed to either tag Maxima or inflict damage on her. After all she can not only travel at high speeds comparable to Superman but also teleport and protect herself with force-fields.

4. Steel literally just resisted it. There was no explanation given outside of his armor protecting him. Simple as. Not out of context, just sucks for you.

Polaris has enough magnetic power to control GL rings and mess with Green Lanterns and he couldn't stop Steel from throwing things at him. That means it didn't work. And you're still ignoring that T-Spheres are carbon nanotubes aka not metal aka ferrokinesis does nothing to them. So thousands of very powerful spheres are absolutely dismantling Maxima and Majestic.

Then throw in that her powers don't affect Steel or anyone on my team and she easily goes down.

5. First of all, and you have never disputed this argument from laters encounters and has ignored it from my initial post, Static has never used such thing against regular people, heroes and the such. The only time he used it was against zombies! You need to stop with that no limit fallacy!

5. Every time you ask this I show the same feats. He's put people to sleep with his electricity and brutally taken out others with electron manipulation and so on. That's why I don't bother responding to you when you ask this.

6. Metal or not doesn't matter, Maxima uses TK works on the molecular level and she still have matter manipulation to mess with your gear, there's no scape from her powers.

6. Except it already didn't work on Steel. So she's useless here.

7. Maxima was strong enough to deal with Doomsday, neutralize the likes of Superman and Orion with one single attack, lobotomize Brainiac, and the list goes on, your team means nothing to her.

Steel has also fought these level people as has Vixen and Blue Marvel and Cyborg. And Maxima was fodderized by Doomsday. My team stomps her.

Please, I beg you, explain to me how either Vixen or Blue Marvel will do to stop Mr. Majestic speed if they can't even see him?! The rest is just junk gear at this point so also moot point at the moment.

But they can see him via sensors and energy signatures and have tagged just as fast, if not faster people. Plus the teleporters and sound attacks stop him easily.

Unless you can prove me your team can scan someone flying invisible at the speed of light your argument is a baseless assumption. None of those feats presented indicates your team could even react to Mach 12, let alone lightspeed. As already said, sound-based attacks means nothing to a lightspeeder, literally nothing. How fast were those titans and parademons? They move at the speed of light? How will Cyborg do to get in close range like he did to Parasite do deliver a sonic based attack to a lightspeeder?

Already have. Vixen has reacted to Superman flying FTL and has caught Flash before. Blue Marvel reacts to and beats the likes of Sentry and King Hyperion who are FTL.

Cyborg doesn't need to get close, his sound is widespread, AoE.

Please show me the T-Spheres moving at the speed of light. Majestic is not even using energy-based attacks against your time in the first place, why are you bringing up this "absorb energy" argument, which is quite poor to be honest, I don't know if you read your own scans but Cyborg has a clear limitation just like Bishop has and if was hit with enough energy he would be overwhelmed by it, as we can see in the scan:

Looks like an incapacitation for me, even if for a brief moment, for someone like Majestic and his nanosecond reaction time, that's more than enough.

T-Spheres don't need to move at the speed of light, they've tagged speed of light and FTL people.

Alan Scott:

http://i.imgur.com/5sbSWqu.jpg

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Captain Nazi

http://i.imgur.com/BZVdO0Z.jpg

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Plus you're forgetting that you're not lightspeed due to the time machine and can't avoid the sound attacks.

And in that scan, Cyborg literally just redirected the energy in the same second. There's not even an inkling of incapacitation. Plus Cyborg has absorbed ALL THE ENERGY FROM PARASITE and redirected it into the national grid. He can handle energy just fine. For reference, Parasite had absorbed enough that Wonder Woman and Flash and GL and the like couldn't hurt him and he was only getting stronger.

Speed of Sound vs. Speed of Light

You claim Majestic won't be hit by sound because he's moving at the speed of light. Outside of my time machine stopping this completely by slowing him down, that wouldn't be true either way.

Below I'm gonna show the likes of Flash, Superman, Hyperion, Sentry, Gladiator, Green Lanterns, H/P Doomsday, Terrax, Amazo, Superboy, Quicksilver, and Majestic himself being hit by sonic attacks despite their speed. All of them are faster than sound by a longshot and yet....despite their speed, some of them blitzing, they can't avoid the sound.

Thunderclap vs. Jay Garrick:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/35308/2838044-1973623_black_adam_and_jay_2.jpg

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Canary Cry vs. Amazo

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/falconboy08/AMAZO.jpg

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Canary Cry vs. Majestic

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/113883/3907744-3071090696-team7.jpg

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Canary Cry vs. Guy Gardner

http://i.imgur.com/SBy7QsX.jpg

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Canary Cry vs. Flash

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11116/111163527/3924884-black+canary+sewn+into+chest.jpg

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Sonic attack from Mother box vs. Doomsday:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/2/27470/1149976-hacsa_hunter_prey_03_21.jpg

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Sonic gun vs. Superman in Dark Knight Returns

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11114/111147344/4628377-sonic+batgun.jpg

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Cyborg cannon vs. Superman

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111118828/3129382-comicvinecyborg4.jpg

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Cyborg sonics on Superboy:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/9/96464/1964595-vic_v_conner.jpg

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Canary Cry on Injustice Superman:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11116/111160825/4399696-9232019213-black.jpg

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Canary Cry on Flash again:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/2317207-amazo0.jpg

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thunderclap vs. hyperion:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/13/136540/3074841-5068022842-Hulkv.jpg

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thunderclap vs. Quicksilver

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/14/146504/2889918-hulk_v_quicksilver_002.jpg

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black bolt whisper vs. silver surfer:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v258/KingChow/comicbookish/SilverSurferV306019.jpg

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whisper vs. sentry

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111112612/3162686-2598227206-1.jpg.jpg

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whisper to gladiator:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/9055/1343864-blackbolt_whisper.jpg

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scream to terrax:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11119/111198060/4382243-black+bolt+is+op+53.jpg

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sound tagging new52 flash:

http://i.imgur.com/lwsDwCW.jpg

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sound tagging flash again:

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff164/WallyWestRespect/sonen.jpg

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sound taking down inertia:

http://i.imgur.com/LFmXbFt.png

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pied piper ultrasonics take down flash:

http://i.imgur.com/TOOmDg2.png

This proves easily and without a doubt that the sound will not only tag your team, but completely incapacitate them. Majestic was bleeding from one sonic attack. Imagine thousands. And if he's not down from that, Blue Marvel or Steel or Vixen, or other T-Spheres, or Static can easily deliver the finishing blow.

What Happens

So let's go over this one more time:

1. I have a time machine slowing you down and teleporters blocking you from attacking or doing anything without just being transferred away from the house. Thousands of T-Spheres are out, everyone has a Steel suit, and technology has been shared between everyone.

2. You attempt to blitz with Majestic, do kinesis with Maxima, and use drones. All are slowed down, and all are rendered moot. Maxima with sound+holograms+electricity impulse canceling+magnetism+T-Sphere attacks+Steel attacks all happening pretty simultaneously. Vixen, Killerbee, and Blue Marvel are also possibilities. Majestic with sound+holograms+electricity impulse canceling+magnetism+power stealing+T-Sphere attacks+Steel attacks+Vixen+Blue Marvel. So the same, but more focus on him as he's the greater threat. And the drones via boom tubes+T-Spheres.

3. Sound has taken Majestic either down completely, bleeding from all orifices, or to his knees and he can't move or do much. From here, we finish him. Simple as that. Steel has his experimental attacks that worked on Superman if need be, but the sound+ a good punch or hammer hit, puts Majestic down. Maxima might or might not have as good hearing (I don't know if she has all enhanced senses), but she's still put down and messed up by the sound and fooled by holograms, and gets done in the same way.

4. And regardless, nothing can get to the building due to the portals standing in the way.

Summary

1. My time machine neutralizes the speed advantage your team has.

2. Regardless, Steel, Vixen, Blue Marvel, and my sound attacks neutralize speed as shown and would take a toll on Majestic as shown due to his enhanced hearing.

3. The bombardment of attacks that have taken down Superman level beings+Steel's hammer and other tech that has taken down Superman level beings+sound attacks+magnetism+lightning+Static's powers to cancel electric impulses+Vixen's attacks+Blue Marvel's punches and anti-matter easily takes down your team.

4. Not to mention the traps and other tech laid out for you.

5. Your invisibility is canceled by thermal readings and other EM spectrum readings, quark level vision, and energy signature readouts.

6. Maxima's powers are proven not to work on Steel's armor and thus none of my team. Plus T-Spheres aren't metal.

7. The drone is handled by being too slow and boom tubes

8. Maxima is also distracted immensely by holograms from the T-Spheres, and her TP is also countered by T-Spheres, Steel's armor, Motherbox technology, Static's natural defenses, and Vixen's TP from Grodd.

9. No matter what, the teleporters (portals+Boom sphere hybrids) protect the building so you can't reach it. They can't be destroyed (attacks and people are just teleported away and they're not exactly all that physical) and can't be bypassed. So in any situation, we win. You cannot complete your mission.

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Post #3: Dissecting fallacies!

Nuke Strike!

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Actually the first scan didn't indicate anything about speed. That's why I asked for further feats. The nukes thing is obvious, if each of those bombs were nukes, the explosion would be a lot bigger. Combined they looked like a nuke, which is totally different.

Basically you just ignored my requests for feats and once again denied my evidence without any good reason. You are not an nuke expert so your simple denial won't change what it's clearly stated, you can ignore it but I'm sure the voters won't. So you either agree that the drones move at lightspeed as proved with feats or you ignore them which tells me you don't have an answer for that, in either case you lose due to lack of argumentation.

Since you didn't manage to provide feats to prove your claims, my questions remains:

  • Show me a feat where any of your characters manage to teleport something moving at the speed of light.

So overall, we have several members of my team already familiar with quantum physics and time manipulation, as well as another member in Blue Marvel who is a genius in his own right.

Since when omega beams moves at the speed of light? Now explain to me how this has anything to do with this fight? Especially when Majestic is not in a combat situation against any of your characters? He's just moving past light speeds while invisible to reach bulding 72.

None of those feats shows a time machine slowing down people, absolutely none of them. They are a bunch of out of context scans you take from respect threads or whatever place you can find that may contains the words "time", "machine", "speed", and you just throw them out in the hope people would buy your argument. I was very clear when asking for feats:

  • Show me another scan indicating that any of your team members manage to created something close to a time machine capable of slowing beings moving at the speed of light.

None of the feats provided indicates that. Let's debunk them one by one:

"Steel already has one"

Let's see what Steel himself have to say about that:

"Well..I adapted this from one of Epoch's designs in our files. The Lord of Time left us some interesting hardware. But not instruction manuals.

Are you kidding me right now? So he didn't created a time machine, he adapted something he doesn't even know how to make it work. Try again..

"Static's already made things to contain speed"

Do you honestly read your own scans?! I believe you forgot to read or just ignored this part:

"So tell me how this thing works" - Robin.

"Honestly, I'm not all sure it will work" - Static.

Another genius from your team who doesn't even know what he is doing.

"Terrific sends message back in time through blackhole"

So according to your line of reasoning, this (sending a message back in time) will somehow help your team stopping someone in the present moving at the speed of light? Explain to me how that feat help your team, like at all?!

So, combined all that and what we have? Out of context scans to back up baseless assumptions!

Invisibility!

1. That won't be a problem. Because

A. Steel has reacted to lightspeeders. And with the same tech Terrific has, he can see lightspeeders.

B. Same With Blue marvel

C. You're not lightspeed due to the time machine

D. The sound attacks have also slowed you down

E. You can't get past the teleporters (boom sphere/portal hybrid).

a) You are once again making baseless assumptions, bringing tons of no limit fallacies to this debate. Your scans shows nothing related to Steel being able to react to lightspeeders. Just because he manage to tag someone who can reach the speed of light in a travel speed doesn't mean he possess lightspeed reaction. The only thing it shows is Steel throwing his hammer against foes that weren't even aware of his presence, like Doomsday, who pounded him in the next panel with no indication of light speed.

b) Yes, same with Blue Marvel, with no good reason given nor feats to prove it.

c) At this point I've already proved my drones moves at the speed of light while you didn't even manage to prove your team can build such gear in the first place.

d) Sound attacks means nothing to someone traveling above the speed of light from the start.

2. Damper pills matter simply because the scan mentioned that Majestic has an aura that can be read/seen. This indicates he gives off an energy signature, and everyone on my team outside of Vixen and Killerbee can see and track and analyze energy signatures. This means that your invisible suit does literally nothing.

None of your team members possess ways to locate someone traveling that fast while invisible.They wouldn't even know where to start. Not to mention that you don't have any sort of gear to be used after the nuke strike, then your team have to somehow deal with Maxima and all her powers while Majestic effortlessly delivers the ball.

Now just to prove your team won't be able to scan or track him, Majestic can just use his superior tech and intellect to counter your gear, especially when he has done it before. For example, his ship can't be scanned by anything.

EMP!

I don't even know why I'm discussing this with you since there's no way for your tech to survive the impact and destruction coming from a nuke strike in the first place. As mentioned in my strategy, the EMP is just a consequence of a nuke blast. Furthermore, there's still Maxima ferrokinesis at the molecular level which worked before against Red Tornado, space-ships, etc..

Not to mention that since Mr. Majestic possess full knowledge and the ability to create new tech at will he can just scan your teleporters from distance with hisspectro vision and in a matter of less than a second create a new tech to counter it, something he already did before as proved by feats. End of story.

Lightspeed!

1. My scans show Steel throwing his hammer, then the likes of Doomsday and Eradicator and Martian Manhunter turning around and seeing the hammer, and then getting hit anyways. That's multiple people with FTL reaction speeds being hit/caught off guard by Steel.

2. Mach 12 is hilariously slow, thanks for showing just how slow Majestic will usually travel in a non-crisis situation.

For reference, T-Spheres themselves have tagged faster people and have been stated to travel much faster than Mach 12. Lightning (Static) is far faster than Mach 12.

T-Spheres even move much faster than that:

http://i.imgur.com/7niSH17.jpg

That's mach 68 at least and that's not even said to be top speed.

3. May I remind you that Sentry has similar feats and Blue Marvel still tagged him, without any of these amps (suits, T-Spheres, etc.). Plus Vixen has blocked and reacted to a bloodlusted Superman. Majestic's not too fast for my team, sorry.

1. First, Eradicator didn't even turn his head to see the hammer coming. Second, as you said, Steel got them off guard, he didn't manage to tag them in a combat situation where the enemy was aware of his presence, seeing that he was throwing the hammer, which makes a huge difference. Third, Majestic is not in a combat situation with your team so your feat is useless here. Finally, none of those possess lightspeed reaction, they can achieve lightspeed in travel. None of them are as fast as Majestic who possess not only lightspeed travel but also nanosecond reaction speed.

2. It's funny to see you say that without giving one single evidence that any of your team members can reach such speed, that is not close to Majestic speed, that was merely an illustrative scan. Since when 14 miles per second is around mach 68? Mach 1 (speed of sound) alone is 340m/s which is already superior to your T-Spheres speed. Do your maths again, I believe you are mistaken.

3. No Sentry doesn't apply here since he's not as fast Majestic or even Superman. That's all out of context feats that you insist to use that have nothing to do with this fight, especially when my character is displaying travel speed and not engaged in a combat situation.

"Speed of Sound vs. Speed of Light"

You claim Majestic won't be hit by sound because he's moving at the speed of light. Outside of my time machine stopping this completely by slowing him down, that wouldn't be true either way.

Below I'm gonna show the likes of Flash, Superman, Hyperion, Sentry, Gladiator, Green Lanterns, H/P Doomsday, Terrax, Amazo, Superboy, Quicksilver, and Majestic himself being hit by sonic attacks despite their speed. All of them are faster than sound by a longshot and yet....despite their speed, some of them blitzing, they can't avoid the sound.

This proves easily and without a doubt that the sound will not only tag your team, but completely incapacitate them. Majestic was bleeding from one sonic attack. Imagine thousands. And if he's not down from that, Blue Marvel or Steel or Vixen, or other T-Spheres, or Static can easily deliver the finishing blow.

Oh great, more out of context scans and baseless assumptions. More feats that doesn't apply to this battle. Can you point the issues from those scans? So we can check the context behind them? Or maybe you can clarify to us how those combat situation feats apply to this battle where your team is dealing with someone traveling invisible faster than the speed of light?! All out of context feats in the world can't compensate for lack of argumentation, so keep coming.

"The Battlefield³"

1. Not true at all. You have to address how he's going to deal with attacks that hurt people on his level like Captain Nazi, Doomsday, Eradicator, Superman, etc. And how he can deal with power stealing, being slowed down by time machines, lightning, etc. Plus sound. But sound gets it's own thing. BTW, as you'll see, sound has traditionally always worked against people who move speed of light and FTL. And Majestic himself has been tagged by sonic attacks.

I don't have to address anything. From your feats we can't even know if your team would be able to built all the gear you suggested. Even if they could, none of those gear can resist a nuke strike, either by the impact force, the blast or EMP. Your gear can't resist being dismatled by Maxima and her ferrokinesis that works on the molecular level.

2. She won't have time. She's being bombarded too and her ferrokinesis is useless. T-Spheres aren't metal, Steel's armor already survived her powers without incident, and powered through magnetic powers. Her ferrokinesis is useless as is her psionic attacks

Wrong. You are the one who's being bombarded from the start, don't forget that. You tried to dispute the drone's speed and miserably failed, now you claim that it will survive everything, but how? She's still have matter manipulation, what's your answer for that? What's your answer for a mind-bolt that was able to neutralize Orion while using a motherbox, that it's a superior tech capable of resist psionics?

3. Nah. Attacking the mind is attacking the mind. No matter how you slice it. And Steel's tech and T-Spheres have shown resistance to that. Plus Vixen has Grodd's powers to deal with that and T-Spheres have holograms. So Maxima will be mind bolting the air, doing nothing.

And we literally have motherbox resistance (Orion doesn't have as much due to it having to spend energy on calming his range) as Cyborg literally has motherbox technology and Steel has literally fashioned a TP shield out of one before. So...try again.

Oh and Majestic can't deliver the touchdown even if we were all dead. The teleporters see to that. He has no way to get through or around them. They're just stationary portals that teleport any and everything and can't be destroyed no matter what he does.

You can deny all you won't but I present my arguments with actual feats and not unsubstantial arguments. Being resistant to something doesn't grant you immunity to it. Orion with the motherbox is superior to anything your team have displayed so far. She can just deconstruct your gear with either ferrokinesis or matter manipulation. Cyborg having motherbox tech or not is useless since I already proved it that Maxima can go through that with her powers.

Now please explain to me why your teleporters can't be destroyed? They are made of which material? You don't even have a teleporter in the first place since neither of your team members created one before, especially not the one you are so hopelessly trying to sell here.

Time to get over this portals once for all, let's take a look at your claims about them:

"They're just stationary portals"

"Blue Marvel and Terrific will work on a large teleporter they'll place in front of the building on all sides, surrounding it (including the top) that will completely protect it and transport anyone that tries to get to it thousands of miles away in w/e direction"

So, you didn't predicted the possibility of a seismic shock or underground attack? So all my team needs to do is deliver an earthquake and your gear is scrapped? How about tunneling underground to implode it? Seems like an plausible option to me. After all what you could possibily do to prevent it? The teleporters can't prevent an earthquake or an strike from below them right? Checkmate.

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#18  Edited By DarkRaiden

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Counters

Nuke Strike

Basically you just ignored my requests for feats and once again denied my evidence without any good reason. You are not an nuke expert so your simple denial won't change what it's clearly stated, you can ignore it but I'm sure the voters won't. So you either agree that the drones move at lightspeed as proved with feats or you ignore them which tells me you don't have an answer for that, in either case you lose due to lack of argumentation.

Since you didn't manage to provide feats to prove your claims, my questions remains:

I didn't disagree that the drones move at lightspeed after the feat you provided. Not sure what you're on about. It's not stated those are nukes either. Only in respect threads. Maybe you should stop respect thread debating.

Show me a feat where any of your characters manage to teleport something moving at the speed of light.

Since when omega beams moves at the speed of light? Now explain to me how this has anything to do with this fight? Especially when Majestic is not in a combat situation against any of your characters? He's just moving past light speeds while invisible to reach bulding 72.

Omega beams hitting a blitzing power girl

http://i.imgur.com/jXffv12.jpg

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Flash having to save superman from omega beams (and Supes still being hit anyways). It was also keeping pace with Flash:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/14/145371/2953104-5161614202-aUs47.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/14/145371/2953105-7458439572-XYMQT.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/14/145371/2953107-8475107883-bEgqf.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/14/145371/2953106-4309408546-V8fD3.jpg

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It has to do with you since....you asked to show us teleport something moving at the speed of light. And I did. That's technology we have.

Time stuff and attempted debunk

Let's get this straight.

1. Steel is saying he has a time machine that can retrieve the JL from the past. Here's a scan below that explains it can move thousands of years either way:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/3760224-jla1mpg22.jpg

So he understands what he's doing. He did it successfully at that.

2. Static's design worked 100%. Whether he knew if it would or not doesn't matter. Because it did. And he did that without a working time machine, Terrific (experience with time), Cyborg (who can read temporal outputs and thus let us know if we're on the right track), Blue Marvel, and Steel (who built the time machine in the first place)

3. Terrific sending things through time and messing with time means he has experience with it. Now he would just need to adapt that to slowing time. Given he has Cyborg, Steel (time machine maker), and Static (who's successfully contained speed, the thing we're trying to do), it makes sense that we can do this.

So again, the time machine is modified how I said it would be.

Try again.

Invisibility

a) You are once again making baseless assumptions, bringing tons of no limit fallacies to this debate. Your scans shows nothing related to Steel being able to react to lightspeeders. Just because he manage to tag someone who can reach the speed of light in a travel speed doesn't mean he possess lightspeed reaction. The only thing it shows is Steel throwing his hammer against foes that weren't even aware of his presence, like Doomsday, who pounded him in the next panel with no indication of light speed.

b) Yes, same with Blue Marvel, with no good reason given nor feats to prove it.

c) At this point I've already proved my drones moves at the speed of light while you didn't even manage to prove your team can build such gear in the first place.

d) Sound attacks means nothing to someone traveling above the speed of light from the start.

A. No I'm not. Steel clearly hits and reacts to the likes of Doomsday and Martian Manhunter and Eradicator and they failed to react to his hammer. Ergo he can hit lightspeeders and react to them. The only way Doomsday can be assumed to be not FTL like the normal Doomsday is if something was stated about him being slower. And it wasn't.

You also ignore that he dodged Doomsday's version of Superman's lightspeed heat vision.

B. King Hyperion fought evenly with two other Hyperions, one of which has stated nanosecond reaction speed. Blue Marvel reacted to and beat King Hyperion. Ergo he has the feats. Same with sentry.

C. I did prove my team can build my gear

D. It hit a blitzing Flash and a blitzing Quicksilver. I showed it in my scans, take another look.

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Hyperion feats:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/111336/4199727-8151799547-41613.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/8/88267/3969164-2.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/1/14661/422909-king9.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/8/88267/3969165-9.jpg

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I trust you're familiar with Blue Marvel's fight with King Hyperion, if not, I can provide that as well.

None of your team members possess ways to locate someone traveling that fast while invisible.They wouldn't even know where to start. Not to mention that you don't have any sort of gear to be used after the nuke strike, then your team have to somehow deal with Maxima and all her powers while Majestic effortlessly delivers the ball.

Now just to prove your team won't be able to scan or track him, Majestic can just use his superior tech and intellect to counter your gear, especially when he has done it before. For example, his ship can't be scanned by anything.

Yes we do. We're all wearing the same tech and many of us have reacted to faster people such as Superman, Sentry, King Hyperion, Doomsday, etc. So we'd see you via EM spectrum and energy signature and then hit you.

If Majestic stops to attempt to do so (he hasn't done anything like that before), he's hit by a bombardment of attacks.

Though this is moot since he's hit by sound at the start of the match as well as other attacks, holograms, energy stealing, and is slowed down by the time machine.

EMP

I don't even know why I'm discussing this with you since there's no way for your tech to survive the impact and destruction coming from a nuke strike in the first place. As mentioned in my strategy, the EMP is just a consequence of a nuke blast. Furthermore, there's still Maxima ferrokinesis at the molecular level which worked before against Red Tornado, space-ships, etc..

Not to mention that since Mr. Majestic possess full knowledge and the ability to create new tech at will he can just scan your teleporters from distance with hisspectro vision and in a matter of less than a second create a new tech to counter it, something he already did before as proved by feats. End of story.

1. Nukes are less than promethium and motherbox tech (what Cyborg's made of), Steel's armors, and T-Spheres can take. A nuke wouldn't hurt or reach us due to boom tubes.

2. Maxima's ferrokinesis only works against metal. T-Spheres aren't made of metal. Address this. And her powers failed to work on Steel. Which is part of what our tech is made of.

3. Majestic can't counter a boom tube or a boom sphere. if he can, prove it. Prove he's above New god tech on that level. Show a feat where he's done this. I'll wait. Also your spectro vision link shows me a speed feat.

Lightspeed

1. First, Eradicator didn't even turn his head to see the hammer coming. Second, as you said, Steel got them off guard, he didn't manage to tag them in a combat situation where the enemy was aware of his presence, seeing that he was throwing the hammer, which makes a huge difference. Third, Majestic is not in a combat situation with your team so your feat is useless here. Finally, none of those possess lightspeed reaction, they can achieve lightspeed in travel. None of them are as fast as Majestic who possess not only lightspeed travel but also nanosecond reaction speed.

2. It's funny to see you say that without giving one single evidence that any of your team members can reach such speed, that is not close to Majestic speed, that was merely an illustrative scan. Since when 14 miles per second is around mach 68? Mach 1 (speed of sound) alone is 340m/s which is already superior to your T-Spheres speed. Do your maths again, I believe you are mistaken.

3. No Sentry doesn't apply here since he's not as fast Majestic or even Superman. That's all out of context feats that you insist to use that have nothing to do with this fight, especially when my character is displaying travel speed and not engaged in a combat situation.

1. Yeah, Eradicator did turn his head. Regardless, he threw his hammer faster than FTL reaction speed people could dodge.

I can post MMH reacting to Flash and a spaceship going 8x the speed of light, and SBPrime's heat vision, but you claim you don't care and it doesn't matter, so I'll move on.

2. Higor...buddy...you can't be that dumb. I refuse to believe it. 1 mile per second is 1,609.344 meters per second, which is around mach 5. multiplied by 14 it gives 70 m(68 since the real number is mach 4.875.)

3. Yeah he does. He's flown to the sun and to Saturn in moments, just like Majestic.

As so:

Sun:

http://i.imgur.com/L17rjTQ.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/AT6EB9R.jpg

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Saturn:

http://i.imgur.com/CTFURML.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/E8KpWPa.jpg

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Sun:

http://i.imgur.com/lGG8RJ4.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/KsOmncE.jpg

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None of my feats are out of context. You just pretend they are because they destroy you argument. You do that a lot, pretend to know the other guy's character more than them so you can get some extra votes/confidence from voters. And like most times you're wrong.

Speed of Sound vs. Speed of Light

Oh great, more out of context scans and baseless assumptions. More feats that doesn't apply to this battle. Can you point the issues from those scans? So we can check the context behind them? Or maybe you can clarify to us how those combat situation feats apply to this battle where your team is dealing with someone traveling invisible faster than the speed of light?! All out of context feats in the world can't compensate for lack of argumentation, so keep coming.

Right out of context, sure. Most of them had the context in the scan. Canary screamed and hit Majestic/Amazo. Parasite had Canary's powers and caught Guy Gardner and Flash with the scream. Superman was hit with a sonic gun from Batman in Dark Knight Returns (IIRC). Flash was hit by a sonic gun many times, one time while blitzing (This is how it applies to you. Sound still hits blitzing people like Flash. Flash was hit twice). Quicksilver too was blitzing and hit. Doomsday was hit by sound from a motherbox (sound familiar? To Cyborg it does). Cyborg used it to keep cheetah Superman at bay and to keep Superboy down.

Whether you want to accept it or not, the sound is hitting you. Especially with your slower speeds.

The Battlefield

I don't have to address anything. From your feats we can't even know if your team would be able to built all the gear you suggested. Even if they could, none of those gear can resist a nuke strike, either by the impact force, the blast or EMP. Your gear can't resist being dismatled by Maxima and her ferrokinesis that works on the molecular level.

Now you're just being childish and ignoring things. Like teleporters. Or the fact that Cyborg Boom tubed Wonder Woman before she knew what was going on. Or that T-Spheres have hit really fast people as has Vixen and the like. Or that T-Spheres aren't metal so ferrokinesis doesn't work on them (and there's thousands). Or that Maxima's powers were explicitly shown not to work on Steel.

And that I've proven the lightning = EMP point and that none of my gear will be affected. I addressed the nuke points above.

Wrong. You are the one who's being bombarded from the start, don't forget that. You tried to dispute the drone's speed and miserably failed, now you claim that it will survive everything, but how? She's still have matter manipulation, what's your answer for that? What's your answer for a mind-bolt that was able to neutralize Orion while using a motherbox, that it's a superior tech capable of resist psionics?

Speed is countered by the time machine.

Maxima is being distracted by holograms. You haven't addressed that. Mind bolt? Psionic that's blocked by T-Spheres and Steel's tech (shown blocking both TK and TP). Motherbox is LITERALLY part of the tech I'm armed with via Cyborg. And I already explained, Orion's motherbox doesn't work as well against TP due to it being used to calm down his anger.

You've yet to counter the thousands of T-Spheres shooting sonics, lightning, energy reflection, and other attacks that hurt Captain Nazi or the holograms or Blue Marvel or Vixen or Static attacking from a far.

Now please explain to me why your teleporters can't be destroyed? They are made of which material? You don't even have a teleporter in the first place since neither of your team members created one before, especially not the one you are so hopelessly trying to sell here.

Time to get over this portals once for all, let's take a look at your claims about them:

"They're just stationary portals"

"Blue Marvel and Terrific will work on a large teleporter they'll place in front of the building on all sides, surrounding it (including the top) that will completely protect it and transport anyone that tries to get to it thousands of miles away in w/e direction"

So, you didn't predicted the possibility of a seismic shock or underground attack? So all my team needs to do is deliver an earthquake and your gear is scrapped? How about tunneling underground to implode it? Seems like an plausible option to me. After all what you could possibily do to prevent it? The teleporters can't prevent an earthquake or an strike from below them right? Checkmate.

Silly HigorM, they're portals, not physical materials that can be destroyed.

I already explained it. It's this:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/12/120679/2567595-13.jpg

Notice that portal just sitting there where an earthquake couldn't touch it or do anything. Imagine it bigger and covering the building on all sides (individual portals).

Combine it with this:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/3234203-jl4-8.jpg

Boom tube technology. Notice the portal and how it's just there. And...well you get it.

Combine it with this:

https://worldofblackheroes.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/mightavengers20132-7.jpg

See how the portal part is always connected to the other side. That's part of the affect being added on to the portals from above.

Combine it finally, with this:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/12/120679/4607713-earth+2+-+world%27s+end+%282014-%29+011-005_2.jpg

Notice how the boom spheres (made from boom tube tech by Terrific btw) are floating, absorb all attacks, and are untouched even by Darkseid's omega beams. This capability is already in the boom tube portals, but I thought to include it to make sure.

So they're portals that cover the entire front, sides, and top of the building that you can't get through. You can't destroy them or even touch them as you'll just be teleported away, as will all attacks.

Simple as that.

What Happens 2.0

Scenario 1: The right and true scenario

1. I have a time machine slowing you down and teleporters blocking you from attacking or doing anything without just being transferred away from the house. Thousands of T-Spheres are out, everyone has a Steel suit, and technology has been shared between everyone.

2. You attempt to blitz with Majestic, do kinesis with Maxima, and use drones. All are slowed down, and all are rendered moot. Maxima with sound+holograms+electricity impulse canceling+magnetism+T-Sphere attacks+Steel attacks all happening pretty simultaneously. Vixen, Killerbee, and Blue Marvel are also possibilities. Majestic with sound+holograms+electricity impulse canceling+magnetism+power stealing+T-Sphere attacks+Steel attacks+Vixen+Blue Marvel. So the same, but more focus on him as he's the greater threat. And the drones via boom tubes+T-Spheres.

3. Sound has taken Majestic either down completely, bleeding from all orifices, or to his knees and he can't move or do much. From here, we finish him. Simple as that. Steel has his experimental attacks that worked on Superman if need be, but the sound+ a good punch or hammer hit, puts Majestic down. Maxima might or might not have as good hearing (I don't know if she has all enhanced senses), but she's still put down and messed up by the sound and fooled by holograms, and gets done in the same way.

4. And regardless, nothing can get to the building due to the portals standing in the way.

Scenario 2: According to you, I can't build the time machine, but everything else is still the same.

1. Thousands of T-Spheres are out, everyone has a Steel suit, and technology has been shared between everyone.

2. You attempt to blitz with Majestic, do kinesis with Maxima, and use drones. The drones are still BFR'd with Boom tubes and the portals. Steel, Blue Marvel, and Vixen all react to Majestic before he can do anything. Maxima is taken care of by sound+holograms+electricity impulse canceling+magnetism+T-Sphere attacks+Steel drone attacks all happening pretty simultaneously. Majestic is also taken out by the same combination+ more like power stealing, and especially the sound since his ears.

3. Sound has taken Majestic either down completely, bleeding from all orifices, or to his knees and he can't move or do much. From here, we finish him. Simple as that. Steel has his experimental attacks that worked on Superman if need be, but the sound+ a good punch or hammer hit, puts Majestic down. Maxima might or might not have as good hearing (I don't know if she has all enhanced senses), but she's still put down and messed up by the sound and fooled by holograms, and gets done in the same way.

4. And regardless, nothing can get to the building due to the portals standing in the way.

Scenario 3: Completely not happening. But according to you, drone nuke us and...well actually that would only destroy the traps and maybe the time machine if we built it out of paper mache....or Raditz.

1. Same thing. If you wanna say EMPs work, we regain power after a short moment. Blue Marvel and Vixen still take you on and portals stop you.

Scenario 4: We just give up and let you 'blitz' us, sound doesn't work, nukes wipe out everything, we play spades

1. You still don't complete your goal because the portals keep sending you back to go in an endless loop.

2. We still win.

That's it in a nutshell. I win no matter what. There's nothing you can do.

The following summary still stands

Summary

1. My time machine neutralizes the speed advantage your team has.

2. Regardless, Steel, Vixen, Blue Marvel, and my sound attacks neutralize speed as shown and would take a toll on Majestic as shown due to his enhanced hearing.

3. The bombardment of attacks that have taken down Superman level beings+Steel's hammer and other tech that has taken down Superman level beings+sound attacks+magnetism+lightning+Static's powers to cancel electric impulses+Vixen's attacks+Blue Marvel's punches and anti-matter easily takes down your team.

4. Not to mention the traps and other tech laid out for you.

5. Your invisibility is canceled by thermal readings and other EM spectrum readings, quark level vision, and energy signature readouts.

6. Maxima's powers are proven not to work on Steel's armor and thus none of my team. Plus T-Spheres aren't metal.

7. The drone is handled by being too slow and boom tubes

8. Maxima is also distracted immensely by holograms from the T-Spheres, and her TP is also countered by T-Spheres, Steel's armor, Motherbox technology, Static's natural defenses, and Vixen's TP from Grodd.

9. No matter what, the teleporters (portals+Boom sphere hybrids) protect the building so you can't reach it. They can't be destroyed (attacks and people are just teleported away and they're not exactly all that physical) and can't be bypassed. So in any situation, we win. You cannot complete your mission.

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@darkraiden: Is that your final post? Or do you want a conclusion? Keep in mind I'll take the last post since you gone first..

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Post #4: One Last Rebuttal!

Nuke Strike!

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I didn't disagree that the drones move at lightspeed after the feat you provided. Not sure what you're on about. It's not stated those are nukes either. Only in respect threads. Maybe you should stop respect thread debating.

I need to make it clear to the voters, otherwise it looks like you just ignored it. It's not stated of course but any person with commom sense will agree that was about a nuke, it has the particulars of a nuk, like the mushroom cloud for example. What do you call that if not a nuke? You don't have ways to prove otherwise, so you can keep denying cause it won't matter in the end. Majestic can create dozens of those drones in a matter of seconds, one single nuke strike would be enough to fulfil his goals. The drones doesn't even need to get in close proximity in order to deliver the nuke strike, they can drop them at a safe distance and the result will be the same, everything from there will be wiped out of existence. I didn't say a single feat that indicates your teleporters would sustain a nuke blast of such magnitude. Also, keep in mind that as per rules:

Prep Your Side Of The Battlefield Only

Which means you can't affect my team from distance with your tech.

"Omega beams hitting a blitzing power girl"

She was not blitzing, like at all. That's the problem I have with you, that flagrant misconception you have about your feats. It's clear that she was just normally flying towards him and was easily tagged by the omega beams.

Flash having to save superman from omega beams (and Supes still being hit anyways). It was also keeping pace with Flash:

First, it wasn't keeping pace with Flash as we can clearly see him bieng faster than the omega beam, he even states it. Now it is fast enough to tag Superman but since Majestic is much more faster that really doesn't matter. Also, you provided a feat where the T-Spheres manage to react to the omega beam in a combat situation, not in a travel speed, which is what Majestic is doing from the start, so once again your feats are useless because they don't apply to this battle.

It has to do with you since....you asked to show us teleport something moving at the speed of light. And I did. That's technology we have.

Another misconception. It never teleported the omega beams in a travel speed. Darkseid was close to his enemies and the spheres was just placed in front of the prime targets, that's all. I don't see how this will help your team here, since your team can't trace Majestic, due to his speed and the ability to create a suit to be immune to scanning (like he did before), and he is not going to engage your team in a fight, which means all your feats does not apply since they happened in a combat situation.

Teleporters/Time Machine and more..

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Let's get this straight.

1. Steel is saying he has a time machine that can retrieve the JL from the past. Here's a scan below that explains it can move thousands of years either way: So he understands what he's doing. He did it successfully at that.

First and foremost, according to the rules: "All prep cannot use Time manipulation of any kind." So if your tech is based on time manipulation they won't work in the first place. Second, you can't affect me from distance, since you can only prep your side of the battlefield, that being said, all my team has to do is affect your team from distance with our powers. Majestic for example, he can just neutralize it all with his heat vision that was able to reprogram the likes of Eradicator before, in the middle of the fight.

2. Static's design worked 100%. Whether he knew if it would or not doesn't matter. Because it did. And he did that without a working time machine, Terrific (experience with time), Cyborg (who can read temporal outputs and thus let us know if we're on the right track), Blue Marvel, and Steel (who built the time machine in the first place)

That's a irrelevant point by now. You can't mess with time as per rules, you can only slow time or increase your own speed. Not to mention that you can't affect me from distance, but I can do it against you so the nuke strike is one of the several ways possible to neutralize it. Majestic operates at the nanosecond speed, his computer is even faster, as it can provide him calculations and simulations with a processing speed that equals lifetimes. He's more intelligent than your team combined and possess superior tech and resources. He can just scan your entire team and gear to find the appropriate answer, just like he did before.

3. Terrific sending things through time and messing with time means he has experience with it. Now he would just need to adapt that to slowing time. Given he has Cyborg, Steel (time machine maker), and Static (who's successfully contained speed, the thing we're trying to do), it makes sense that we can do this.

That's all conjectures basically, you are getting one piece of evidence from every corner to combine it into something that has never existed before and than try to sell here. Even if I agree it would be possible, nothing, literally nothing assure us it will work, because it never existed before and was never used against anyone, you don't have ways to prove it would work, and that's a fact. In the other hand, we have Majestic who dealt with time before and for this fight possess full knowledge on the enemy and time to prepare himself before the fight. He possess hyper-senses and spectro vision to sense disturbances and see through things. There's no way for your tech to work against someone like him.

Invisibility!

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A. No I'm not. Steel clearly hits and reacts to the likes of Doomsday and Martian Manhunter and Eradicator and they failed to react to his hammer. Ergo he can hit lightspeeders and react to them. The only way Doomsday can be assumed to be not FTL like the normal Doomsday is if something was stated about him being slower. And it wasn't.

He manage to hit or react to them in a combat situation, which doesn't means they were using lightspeed. None of them possess that much of speed for reaction purposes. They can reach it in travel speed. You have a serious misconception about it. Let me explain to you how it works:

For example, not even Superman fights at light speeds, he can only fly to reach said speed. He can't fight like someone like Flash for example who runs at light speed. But, tet's assume you could move your limbs to the point you ran at light speed, proportionally you'd operate at those speeds. Superman can't run at those speeds, he operates somewhere around Black Adams speeds, whom can run at Mach 500. New 52 Superman couldn't easily tag Barry Allen Flash, he barely flicked him and that's because Barry underestimated superman, and Barry couldn't even move at light speeds yet.

You also ignore that he dodged Doomsday's version of Superman's lightspeed heat vision.

Where's it stated to be lightspeed? Can you post the feat again?

B. King Hyperion fought evenly with two other Hyperions, one of which has stated nanosecond reaction speed. Blue Marvel reacted to and beat King Hyperion. Ergo he has the feats. Same with sentry.

So? What does it proves? Where is it stated that he possess nanosecond reaction speed? How does it apply to this fight where Majestic isn't in a combat situation with your team?

Yes we do. We're all wearing the same tech and many of us have reacted to faster people such as Superman, Sentry, King Hyperion, Doomsday, etc. So we'd see you via EM spectrum and energy signature and then hit you.

None of those people are close to Majestic speed, who has the ability to travel at hundreds of times FTL (Faster Than Light) in space and on one occasion was able to fly across the entire universe (some 13.5 billion light years) in 4 months. Compared to that your entire team are just slowpoke to him. That being said, none of your team members possess enough speed to scan/track someone like him. None of your gear has shown ths ability either.

If Majestic stops to attempt to do so (he hasn't done anything like that before), he's hit by a bombardment of attacks.

Hasn't done anything like that before? Where did you get this from? I've clearly stated he already did it. When Majestic and theWildC.A.T.s were being attacked by a shape-shifting building, he scans it on a molecular level and decides he needs to go build something. On the very next page, he's returned. He's researched and built a brand new piece of technology almost instantly.

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Though this is moot since he's hit by sound at the start of the match as well as other attacks, holograms, energy stealing, and is slowed down by the time machine.

First, your team must find Majestic in order to tag him. Majestic is moving at FTL speeds from the starts and none of your team members possess enough speed to match him. Second, from all your sound-based attacks scans is shown people being hit in a combat situation, we even have Black Canary screaming at Amazo's ear, they were clearly close to each other, how that translates to this particular battle? I'm sure you can see the difference between them. So it won't happen because a) FTL speed > sound-attacks and b) your team can even see him to begin with.

EMP!

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1. Nukes are less than promethium and motherbox tech (what Cyborg's made of), Steel's armors, and T-Spheres can take. A nuke wouldn't hurt or reach us due to boom tubes.

2. Maxima's ferrokinesis only works against metal. T-Spheres aren't made of metal. Address this. And her powers failed to work on Steel. Which is part of what our tech is made of.

3. Majestic can't counter a boom tube or a boom sphere. if he can, prove it. Prove he's above New god tech on that level. Show a feat where he's done this. I'll wait. Also your spectro vision link shows me a speed feat.

1. That's one of the possible ways to neutralize your defenses. Either with nuke strikes, electromagnetic pulse, ferrokinesis, matter manipulation, heat vision, you name it. You can't possibly be immune to all that. You don't have full knowledge on him, especially when Majestic was already a full fledged warlord 3000+ years ago. There's no way your team can be aware about all his capabilities. You also can't be protected from anything because Majestic can just react and build a new tech from scratch to neutralize your defenses, you can't be aware of something that never happened before.

2. If her molecular level TK doesn't work, what's your answer for matter manipulation? Or Majestic heat vision overwrite?

3. Yes he can, and I'll prove it with the nexts scans:

Majestic’s first solo series (2003) tells the stories of what Majestic really did in the years following Team 1 incident. It turns out that Majestic didn’t isolate himself for 30 years; instead, he was working with the government and dealing with unnatural phenomena. In this case he was forced to fight against time itself when a reality warping child puts the world in danger by moving objects (things like nuclear missiles, vikings and Liberace) and events (the parting of the Red Sea for one) backwards and forwards through time with disastrous repercussions.

So basically your attempt to use a time machine or whatever other tech against him won't work.

Now let me prove (again) that Majestic is far more intelligent than your team combined..

Next scans shows what happened in the events where we saw Majestic in the DC Universe, interacting with the likes of Superman, Eradicator, Superboy and even Steel. Note how he's able to deduce exactly what kind of tech was build just by looking into it and was also able to predict it wouldn't work.

Time to explain the context behind those scans:

During a strange time-storm that was creating chaos in Metropolis, Superman went missing and Mr. Majestic was left in his place, sent there by a violent quantum event in which a long lost Daemonite scout pulled him through the Bleed (the gateway to different dimensions. He immediately jumped into the empty role of protector of Metropolis, but was simultaneously looking for a way to get back home. The finest minds in the DC Universe tried to help him but when Majestic saw their plan; he knew it would only make things worse. Eradicatorwas mad that Majestic didn’t like the plan that he, Steel and other scientists had come up with, so he trapped Majestic in the phantom zone. A furious Mr. Majestic escaped the Phantom Zone while Eradicator and Superboy were attempting the plan, which consisted of dropping a bomb in the time-storm. He stopped them and saved Metropolis. Superman came back and had a talk with Majestic that revealed other things he had done after saving the city. Apparently he had patched the hole in the ozone layer, stopped California from floating away, thrown 131 metahuman criminals into stasis without trials, moved the entire French air force to Finland for attacking him and took the Green Lantern’s ring.

So yeah, Majestic is smarter than DC Earth's finest minds combined.

The Speed of Light!

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1. Yeah, Eradicator did turn his head. Regardless, he threw his hammer faster than FTL reaction speed people could dodge.

This is a preposterous interpretation of a feat and I've already debunked it. None of those people possess FTL reaction speed, they don't even have that speed in travel, don't be ridiculous.

2. Higor...buddy...you can't be that dumb. I refuse to believe it. 1 mile per second is 1,609.344 meters per second, which is around mach 5. multiplied by 14 it gives 70 m(68 since the real number is mach 4.875.)

I may have misunderstood it because I'm not from US and the system used here is different but that doesn't give you the right to call me dumb, I'll let it go this time but be warned it's your first and last time.

3. Yeah he does. He's flown to the sun and to Saturn in moments, just like Majestic. None of my feats are out of context. You just pretend they are because they destroy you argument. You do that a lot, pretend to know the other guy's character more than them so you can get some extra votes/confidence from voters. And like most times you're wrong.

How does that helps your team here? Sentry isn't as fast as Majestic. Blue Marvel being able to fight him doesn't make him as fast as Majestic. My MVP isn't fighting your team, he is using his travel speed to reach the building. None of your team members combined possess enough speed to tag him. That's why all those scans doesn't apply here and you fail to understand that.

It's funny to see you calling me names, since you are well known in the battle section for being a lowballer. I'm a respected debater here, even got in the HOF for that, I earned it through pure respect and recognition. What have you accomplished? We just need to check your past debates to see how you usually argue with people. TTBA can testify this, in fact many other respected debaters can. You use the same BS arguments over and over again despite your opponent debunk them and prove you wrong even with voters saying the same thing yet you always think you are right and the rest of the world wrong. You better look at yourself before saying anything about me pal.

Speed of Sound vs. Speed of Light!

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Right out of context, sure. Most of them had the context in the scan. Canary screamed and hit Majestic/Amazo. Parasite had Canary's powers and caught Guy Gardner and Flash with the scream. Superman was hit with a sonic gun from Batman in Dark Knight Returns (IIRC). Flash was hit by a sonic gun many times, one time while blitzing (This is how it applies to you. Sound still hits blitzing people like Flash. Flash was hit twice). Quicksilver too was blitzing and hit. Doomsday was hit by sound from a motherbox (sound familiar? To Cyborg it does). Cyborg used it to keep cheetah Superman at bay and to keep Superboy down.

Whether you want to accept it or not, the sound is hitting you. Especially with your slower speeds.

  • Canary hit Majestic because he was standing right in front of her!
  • She hit Amazo because she was right next to him screaming at his ear!
  • Superman was hit because he was standing right in front of Batman!
  • and the list goes on..

None of those feats indicates sound being fast enough to reach someone traveling FTL. Once again, Mr. Majestic is not going to engage your team into a fight so they may be able to tag him with sound. None in your team is fast enough, neither your gear. That's why those feats are out of context, they don't apply to the given situation and most of them are just one panel scans with no references for the issues or explanations about what was happen, we can't possibly know what happen before or next to it, that's the definition of out of context, stop doing that!

The Battlefield!

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Now you're just being childish and ignoring things. Like teleporters. Or the fact that Cyborg Boom tubed Wonder Woman before she knew what was going on. Or that T-Spheres have hit really fast people as has Vixen and the like. Or that T-Spheres aren't metal so ferrokinesis doesn't work on them (and there's thousands). Or that Maxima's powers were explicitly shown not to work on Steel.

And that I've proven the lightning = EMP point and that none of my gear will be affected. I addressed the nuke points above.

I'm being realistic and unfeigned. None of that matters since:

  • Majestic possess superior tech, brains and resources.
  • Majestic possess full knowledge on your team, which means he's aware of anything they might do.
  • Majestic already dealt with a reality warper that was bending time to imprison him into a time-loop. He was able to counter it with his superior intelect and alien tech with nanosecond reaction speed.
  • Majestic possess hyper senses and spectro vision, which includes X-Ray, electromagnetic, telescopic and micro/macro vision. So he can see/sense your team from afar and counter your defenses with his superior tech.

All the above properly proved with feats and context behind them.

Speed is countered by the time machine.

Maxima is being distracted by holograms. You haven't addressed that. Mind bolt? Psionic that's blocked by T-Spheres and Steel's tech (shown blocking both TK and TP). Motherbox is LITERALLY part of the tech I'm armed with via Cyborg. And I already explained, Orion's motherbox doesn't work as well against TP due to it being used to calm down his anger.

No is not. First you can't manipulate time in any shape or form during prep. You can't only slow or accelerate time. You can't tag me from your starting position, you are not fast enough to tag Majestic and your plan is countered as soon the battle starts no matter what.

So Maxima, a planetary level TP is going to be distracted by holograms? Is that your argument? The motherbox being part of your tech means nothing since she already manage to get through it when she neutralized Orion with a single mind-bolt. There's no evidence to make me believe it doesn't work well with Orion, from where did you got this from?

Silly HigorM, they're portals, not physical materials that can be destroyed.

So you first call me dumb and now silly? You generally do that when you can't use arguments to win a debate?

Your argumentation is rather confusing and unstable. You first said teleporters, than time machine than boom tubes. From those 3 only the boom tubes aren't physical materials, which means the others can and will be destroyed just fine.

"What Happens?!"

Scenario 1: The utopian dream.

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1. I have a time machine slowing you down and teleporters blocking you from attacking or doing anything without just being transferred away from the house. Thousands of T-Spheres are out, everyone has a Steel suit, and technology has been shared between everyone.

Since you can't mess with time during prep you have no time machine as soon the battle starts. You'd need to summom one and prove it's possible to bring one from your universe, in the same fashion of what you pretend to use here. Since you didn't do that you won't have it thus you can't and won't slow my team down. This is just one of the big holes in your strategy.

2. You attempt to blitz with Majestic, do kinesis with Maxima, and use drones. All are slowed down, and all are rendered moot. Maxima with sound+holograms+electricity impulse canceling+magnetism+T-Sphere attacks+Steel attacks all happening pretty simultaneously. Vixen, Killerbee, and Blue Marvel are also possibilities. Majestic with sound+holograms+electricity impulse canceling+magnetism+power stealing+T-Sphere attacks+Steel attacks+Vixen+Blue Marvel. So the same, but more focus on him as he's the greater threat. And the drones via boom tubes+T-Spheres.

Since you don't have a time machine your whole strategy will collapse from start. Your team is bombarded with countless nukes that doesn't even have to come close to the teleporters to work. Your entire gear is decimated from the result of the nuke strike and you find yourself and your gear wrecked to junk and pieces, that includes everything you just pointed. Also, no answer for matter manipulation so Maxima can just transmute your entire gear into garbage.

And regardless, nothing can get to the building due to the portals standing in the way.

Majestic can counter it with his tech/superior intellect and previous knowledge. Not to mention that even if it works on him like he blitz right through it and is sent back, he will just realize the issue and than will be immune to it. Just like it happened in the following scans:

From Mr. Majestic #6 - Why-2K

Scenario 2: No time machine!

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1. Thousands of T-Spheres are out, everyone has a Steel suit, and technology has been shared between everyone.

Sounds like a waste of time but whatever makes you happy..

2. You attempt to blitz with Majestic, do kinesis with Maxima, and use drones. The drones are still BFR'd with Boom tubes and the portals. Steel, Blue Marvel, and Vixen all react to Majestic before he can do anything. Maxima is taken care of by sound+holograms+electricity impulse canceling+magnetism+T-Sphere attacks+Steel drone attacks all happening pretty simultaneously. Majestic is also taken out by the same combination+ more like power stealing, and especially the sound since his ears.

Sentient lightspeed drones drop the bombs in your head, your gear is out like most of your team. The ones who might survive can barely react to Maxima, imagine FTL Majestic. Maxima possess not only enough speed to avoid your attacks but also force-fields and teleportation, so none of those will work.

Scenarios 3/4

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1. Same thing. If you wanna say EMPs work, we regain power after a short moment. Blue Marvel and Vixen still take you on and portals stop you.

2. You still don't complete your goal because the portals keep sending you back to go in an endless loop.

3. We still win.

That's it in a nutshell. I win no matter what. There's nothing you can do.

1. "We regain power after a short moment", and while you do that Majestic delivers the ball for the win. Blue Marvel nor Vixen are fast enough to compete with him, portals don't work on someone who dealt with time-loop and reality warpers.

2. As mentioned and proved before, Mr. Majestic already dealt with a reality warper that manage to trap him in a time-loop.

Not to mention that nothing works on him twice, once he realizes something he is immune to it or can counter it with either his powers, brains or tech.

3. No you lose badly at the beginning of this fight.

There's literally nothing you can do to prevent Majestic from blitzing into the building.

In resume:

  1. According to the rules and rullings from @lukehero you can't have a time machine during prep since you can't mess with time in any shape or form, which is clearly stated by the rules.
  2. Your team has never built something like that before, and even if you manage to create it for this battle it has never been used so it's a baseless assumption that it could work against my team.
  3. My team possess prior knowledge and superior intellect, gear and resources. Such superiority was proved through several feats already, which means there's nothing you can bring to the table that my guy wouldn't be able to deal with.
  4. Majestic is a superior being who was a full warrior 3000 years before our time. He already dealt with time and was able to resist and get out of a time-loop that was created by a reality warper. Which means no portal can prevent him from his goal here.
  5. Mr. Majestic possess ways to scan your entire team and gear from distance with his spectro vision to analyze your tech at the molecular level and build a tech out of nothing to neutralize it, something he already did before from scratch and nanosecond reaction speed.
  6. Majestic is just too damm fast traveling faster than the speed of light which is something your team never dealt before, so there's no way you can keep up with him.
  7. There's no way to counter someone who can just outprep you creating new tech on the fly withing a nanosecond. You can't be aware of this since it's going to happen after the prep time.
  8. My team wins due to the reasons stated above.

*Credit for most of the Majestic scans used here goes to @buckshot*

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@darkraiden: @higorm: Just to be clear he can have the time machine(up to him to prove he could make one) he just can't mess with you during prep. As soon as the battle starts he can turn the time machine on.

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#24 HigorM  Moderator

@lukehero: Fair enough, I got all possibility covered anyway..

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#26  Edited By DarkRaiden

@higorm: @lukehero:Did we run out of time? Cause we were gonna do one last concluding post. I don't care all that much either way, just Higor brought up new stuff in his last post.

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#28  Edited By DarkRaiden

@lukehero: @higorm:wait a second (hours), post got ate. firefox didn't save it for the first time...ever.

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#29  Edited By HigorM  Moderator

@darkraiden: We can just leave as it is and go to votes..

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#32  Edited By PreCrisisBardock

Seems like Higor stomped here tbh.

He tore apart DRs posts like paper, I don't see how sneak attacking people who are FTL makes it a speed blitz and makes him FTL.

Though a counter that could've won DR the debate is Higor never showed anything moving FTL on earth, it was all in space. In comics the writers usually nerf travel speeds on earth to Double didgit Mach speeds, at those speeds it would be easy for DRs team to gain the upper hand.

But DR didn't say that. Ferrokenesis on the defenses and light speed nukes won it for Higor, DR could never really debunk of defend against those. Plus it's very far fetched to claim that they'd be able to build some kind of slowing machine in a few hours.

Plus with everyone dead Higor examined [If] he was trapped in a teleport loop Majestic can easily counter it.

So my vote goes to Higor, but for future reference remember a lot of chars can't And won't go FTL on earth.

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I vote tomorrow, look decent

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I vote for DarkRaiden

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@dodirty: Can you provide reasoning for your vote?

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@darkraiden: You love you some Static

@higorm:You are fighting DarkRaiden and Static again?

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Seems like Higor stomped here tbh.

He tore apart DRs posts like paper, I don't see how sneak attacking people who are FTL makes it a speed blitz and makes him FTL.

Though a counter that could've won DR the debate is Higor never showed anything moving FTL on earth, it was all in space. In comics the writers usually nerf travel speeds on earth to Double didgit Mach speeds, at those speeds it would be easy for DRs team to gain the upper hand.

But DR didn't say that. Ferrokenesis on the teleporters and light speed nukes won it for Higor, DR could never really debunk of defend against those. Plus it's very far fetched to claim that they'd be able to build some kind of slowing machine in a few hours.

Plus with everyone dead Higor examined [If] he was trapped in a teleport loop Majestic can easily counter it.

So my vote goes to Higor, but for future reference remember a lot of chars can't And won't go FTL on earth.

This

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Never mind not voting, DarkRaiden format is annoying, just don't feel like finish reading it.

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#43  Edited By mickey-mouse

@dodirty: Any reasons?

@haoalchemist: Do you have some of your own reasons as to why you are voting for higorm?

@jgames:That's kind of harsh, but different strokes. But, that also punishes Higorm as well. Give it a chance and read and vote.

Score(Tentative):

@higorm: 1

@darkraiden: 0

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#44  Edited By haoalchemist

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@darkraiden: @lukehero:

Higrorm had better counter and better formatting

Ex:FTL argument

Edits upon request •_•:

Going into detail with the formatting, really self explanatory. Raiden really lost me at around post number 16.

I didnt wanna be mean and keep my vote simple and 2 the point but guess not :/

Raiden used soo many out of context scans, scans higorm already debunked, yet he still tried to milk them giving me as a reader the run around (which can be annoying)

The Steel being able to react to lightspeeders argument made no sense (prime example)

Basically when reading your speed comments you had me as a reader shouting OMG.You virtually made claims without any SCANS! How am i as a reader supposed to verify yer claims without scans 2 back it up mate.

When you build something, you need PROOF that you can even build it! I can say Bane can build a infinity gauntlet, but without proof its just talk.

You have NOT proved you can keep up with majestic.

Why i vote Higorm, revised

  • Better formatting
  • Raiden used abc logic, especially in the steel scenario
  • Raiden had me lost round post 16
  • Raiden said alot of claims without PROPER scan support
  • Higorm had better counters, and superior wordsmithing
  • Overall this was a mismatch
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HigorM's arguments and counters were far superior and I beleived in his win condition here.

Also, his formatting was much nicer and made it easier to side with him.

Nice job @higorm: ;)

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#49  Edited By Ratava

i vote for @higorm @lukehero

in the way he presented his team i got the feeling that Majestic was already enough to basically stomp DR and on top of that he got another powerhouse with Maxima.

DR on the other hand tried to counter Higorms ftl "rush" tactic with a lot of ooc scans where his team members are supposedly reacting to ftl, but Higorm easly debunked them + DR was stretching it with his claim, that his team can build some sort of device to create a "time dilation field" nobody had build before, because they know a "little" about time-travel and dont get me started on that whole sound based attacks vs lightspeed mess....

summarized: Higorm simply was superior in debating and manpower

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now why couldn't I have these battle conditions. deliver the football