@noiseinmyblood said:
@lady_liberty said:
A space marines are badass. Captains are epic badasses. Chapter Masters are what epic badasses wish they could be. And the High King leaves every loyalist Chapter Master in the dirt.
Some of his feats are surely PIS, such as blitzing a Grey Knight Grandmaster. But his plethora of other feats, terminator armor, axe Morkai, storm bolter and seven hundred years of tactical genius should let him put up one hell of a fight.
But at the end of the day 300 Spartans with prep are just too many. They win via numbers. He'll kill a hundred, two hundred, maybe even more. But eventually they'll bring him down.
Space Marines fight enemies that outnumber then in the hundreds, or thousands, and win. Logan is several levels above a normal Space Marine in skill and ability. And if you're going to claim PIS for that, how about PIS for a single SPARTAN defeating the Covenant, several times, all by his lonesome?
Logan Grimnar is in an environment that is several orders of magnitude less deadly, easier to traverse and less difficult to survive than anywhere on Fenris. He is fighting 300 enemies who, combined, lack the amount of tactical and strategic knowledge he possesses. 300 enemies who are less powerful than a Space Marine Neophyte. Logan Grimnar is Chapter Master of what is probably the most dangerous and effective Space Marine chapter in WH40k. They are the Imperium's executioners. He didn't get there by accident. He is the most feared and respected Space Wolf to come along since the Heresy ended, in a chapter that is famously feared and respected. He has fought hordes of Orks, Demons, Tyraninds, he's gone head to head with armies of several alien races, and his genius stopped the threat of the largest Black Crusade of Chaos ever assembled, one that outnumbered his own force (I think it was 3 times as large, I don't remember, I'd have to go re-read the handbook).
Logan Grimnar is wearing Teminator Armor, but not just any Terminator Armor. He is wearing the Terminator Armor of a Chapter Master, which means it is a relic and possesses technology and abilities that normal Terminator Armor doesn't. And that is saying something, since simple Terminator Armor is anything but normal. A Krak missile, which splits tanks into pieces, can't penetrate Terminator Armor. What do you think a Masterwork relic version is capable of withstanding? (TA also possesses an internal teleport beacon, letting him teleport instantly amongst them for maximum carnage, if you're going to give him that ability at least once, as part of standard gear.) He's got an axe that would cut thru a SPARTANs shields and armor like it wasn't there. He's got a storm-bolter that fire rounds that penetrate armor and explode with the force of a grenade. He's got almost a thousand years of experience murdering and winning.
Logan is faster both physically and mentally, has senses bordering on the supernatural and is magnitudes stronger and smarter than any SPARTAN.
I don't see Logan losing against 300 enemies that are less powerful or dangerous than anything he hasn't faced before breakfast.
Again, Spartans are underestimated. Spartans are called "SPARTANS" For a reason. Play the reach campaign, the UNSC literally threw 6 men at covenant infested zones and they came out ready for more. The Spartans were up against a technologically superior AND physically stronger foe and they still managed to hold out. The SPARTAN II PROJECT was a freakin PROJECT and the UNSC ended up depending on those Spartans to change the tide of battle.
I don't even want to mention how many spartans were at reach, this many spartans managed to keep the covenate back long enough to evacuate the civilians, this many spartans managed to keep back A FREAKIN ONSLAUGHT! 1 Spartan held back an invasion so the Pillar of Autumn could escape.
http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/SPARTAN-II_Program#SPARTAN-IIs_Conscripted
Now, how the Spartans could win this.
Maneuverability
34.2 mph is the avarge speed a spartan could run, Master Chief can run at 65.2 mph (though he was injured, this was the early stages of the training). Spartans have more mobility since its stated Terminator armor handicaps mobility. With Jetpacks / Evade the Spartans have no problem monkeying around the High King.
About weapons...
"A SPARTAN-II's reaction time while impossible to chart accurately is estimated to be twenty milliseconds, their reaction times are significantly faster in combat situations or with A.I. assistance. The reaction times of the SPARTAN-IIs are so fast that they are able to think, react and see things happen in slow and fast motion - it is dubbed as "SPARTAN Time" by Kelly-087.[10] SPARTAN-IIs are also known for their sharp eyesight being able to virtually see in the dark.
Spartans can also dodge bullets.
From there they have knowledge of the enemy, Spartans would Forerunner incinerator / Binary Rifle / Spartan Laser / EMP grenade launcher / Energy sword / Gravity Hammer the terminator armor and dance around all day until that armor cracks, their capable of it. The Spartans armor could also help them in defense, incase the odd Storm Bolt hits them.
Again, 14 Spartans and 1 MC could accomplish this.
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