Hercules vs Wolverine (read op)

fight is in a bar. this is current Hercules and he has his shield(which can't turn wolverine to stone) his sword and his bow with unlimited arrows. start from 30 feet away. morals on.

Hercules is far more skilled and still has a strength advantage on Wolverine.

Herc grabs Wolverines claws and makes Logan chop his own head off. Or Herc wrestles with Wolveirne and the fight ends with Herc chucking Wolverine all the way from Earth into the Sun.

Hercules stomps

Morals on? Herc wins in a less brutal gore fashion, maybe bashes Logan's brain around like WWH did. Might take Herc a little more time to turn Logan's brain into mush.

I thought current herc was mortal and depowered?

Screw it. Going with Logan.

pre-depowered herc would do to wolverine the same that WWHulk did

" @god_spawn: Yes he's severely de-powered but he still has over 3000 years of fighting skills and experience and he is peak human, maybe slightly stronger.  "

" @god_spawn: Yes he's severely de-powered but he still has over 3000 years of fighting skills and experience and he is peak human, maybe slightly stronger.  "

I love Hercules and all but I think Logan has this one. Hercules will still be getting used to his new power set and in the past he's taken many hits because he knew he could survive it. It'll take some time for him to change his actual fighting style to avoid getting hit.

" Wolverine wins. "

Infinite arrows should mean Herc wins in my opinion. Infinite arrows is crazy. I bet Herc could penetrate Wolverine enough times to slow him down, so that he could run up, bowl him over with the shield, and then tickle his feet till he submits! True story bro. 

" Infinite arrows should mean Herc wins in my opinion. Infinite arrows is crazy. I bet Herc could penetrate Wolverine enough times to slow him down, so that he could run up, bowl him over with the shield, and then tickle his feet till he submits! True story bro.  "

" @god_spawn: I think it does. When Hercules wasn't de-powered and he was pre Chaos War, he was one of the strongest guys around but many could match him. Thor, Hulk, Thing and Sentry could all give him a fight. But we've seen Hercules trump Thor by using a blood choke, he's submitted Ben Grimm, and slowed down World War Hulk while staying on the defensive. We never saw more of his countless years of experience due to his dependancy on his strength, but as of late we should see more of what he could do as he has to cope with being a mortal. I have no problem seeing Hercules pin down Wolverine. If Cap could do it, Hercules could do it. "

I think Hercules sword is more damaging than Wolverines claws. You can't beat magic enchantments against a street leveler. 

This is weird but I have this comic called contest of champions 2 and it was mentioned that wolverine defeated hercules in h2h combat wtf hercules would use wolverine to clean zeus floor or something equally hilarious

Herc Stomp

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                    Hercules is far more skilled and still has a strength advantage on Wolverine.

Herc wins.

                   

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" @Deranged Midget said:

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                    Hercules is far more skilled and still has a strength advantage on Wolverine.

Herc wins.

                   

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Zackly! "

Hercules wins,

Nothing in the OP says anything about his Hydra dipped arrows, it just says his bow with unlimited arrows nothing specific so i doubt the god killing arrows were ,meant to be used in the first place.

Regular arrows Wolverine wins
If these are the hydra blood arrows, its a spite thread basically.

" Nothing in the OP says anything about his Hydra dipped arrows, it just says his bow with unlimited arrows nothing specific so i doubt the god killing arrows were ,meant to be used in the first place. Wolverine wins. "

" @god_spawn said:

" Nothing in the OP says anything about his Hydra dipped arrows, it just says his bow with unlimited arrows nothing specific so i doubt the god killing arrows were ,meant to be used in the first place. Wolverine wins. "

Well without the arrows, I'm going to reserve my answer until I know more about the sword and its properties.  "

" @SlimJ87D said:

" @god_spawn said:

" Nothing in the OP says anything about his Hydra dipped arrows, it just says his bow with unlimited arrows nothing specific so i doubt the god killing arrows were ,meant to be used in the first place. Wolverine wins. "

Well without the arrows, I'm going to reserve my answer until I know more about the sword and its properties.  "

If its anything magical that grants him like some extraordinary abilities, i see it as a cheat hence why Jayskee took away the stone stare. I;m just goin with its an adamantine sword and shield and regular arrows. "

" @god_spawn said:

" @SlimJ87D said:

" @god_spawn said:

" Nothing in the OP says anything about his Hydra dipped arrows, it just says his bow with unlimited arrows nothing specific so i doubt the god killing arrows were ,meant to be used in the first place. Wolverine wins. "

Well without the arrows, I'm going to reserve my answer until I know more about the sword and its properties.  "

If its anything magical that grants him like some extraordinary abilities, i see it as a cheat hence why Jayskee took away the stone stare. I;m just goin with its an adamantine sword and shield and regular arrows. "

About cheating, Hercules is severely handicapped here. He is only has peak strength. Wolverine has a skeleton that supports above peak strength, healing factor, unbreakable bones, and razor sharp weapons that can't be taken away from him. Anything that is cut off will grow back in place on his bones no matter what. To cap Hercules in a fight against a man that is practically invincible is unfair in my book. I'm trying to find a balance for him here and make this fight reasonable. Sure Hercules has an unbreakable shield and sword but those can leave him at anytime.  So if, and only if (we don't know yet). his sword has magical enchantments, then more power to him, it'd be more fair.  "

" @SlimJ87D said:

" @god_spawn said:

" @SlimJ87D said:

" @god_spawn said:

" Nothing in the OP says anything about his Hydra dipped arrows, it just says his bow with unlimited arrows nothing specific so i doubt the god killing arrows were ,meant to be used in the first place. Wolverine wins. "

Well without the arrows, I'm going to reserve my answer until I know more about the sword and its properties.  "

If its anything magical that grants him like some extraordinary abilities, i see it as a cheat hence why Jayskee took away the stone stare. I;m just goin with its an adamantine sword and shield and regular arrows. "

About cheating, Hercules is severely handicapped here. He is only has peak strength. Wolverine has a skeleton that supports above peak strength, healing factor, unbreakable bones, and razor sharp weapons that can't be taken away from him. Anything that is cut off will grow back in place on his bones no matter what. To cap Hercules in a fight against a man that is practically invincible is unfair in my book. I'm trying to find a balance for him here and make this fight reasonable. Sure Hercules has an unbreakable shield and sword but those can leave him at anytime.  So if, and only if (we don't know yet). his sword has magical enchantments, then more power to him, it'd be more fair.  "

I see it differently. I'm talking about anything similar to the shield considering it's a godly sword it might have some cheat ability like the stone stare shield. If anything the fight starts rather even IMO. Hercules has seen Wolverine fight plenty of times, whereas this side of Hercules, Wolverine has never seen. If Logan treats him like he usually treats someone in a fight and lunges, it definitely gives Hercules the opening. He has the equipment needed to put wolverine down, has the knowledge to  and possibly the background in skill level but just lacks feats for now. "

Hercules may win this but it it will be a bloody figth. Hercules has the tools to defeat Wolverine, that's for sure (a magical sword, and a magical shield - even though he can not use the shield's powers it would still be unbreakeable). By the way (I'm not sure of what I'm about to say), but if these weapons were made by the gods, both the shield and sword are made of Adamantine and not Adamantium. Adamantine is actually harder and more durable than Adamantium.

This figth all will be decided by figthing skills and even though Wolverine is a great figther (almost at cap's level but not better) Hercules is pretty good as well and  has thousands of years of experience not only in hand to hand but also with any type of Ancient greek Weapons (includind swords). So I say this match is pretty even and anyone of them can claim victory. All it takes is the one who makes the first mistake.

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Hercules may win this but it it will be a bloody figth. Hercules has the tools to defeat Wolverine, that's for sure (a magical sword, and a magical shield - even though he can not use the shield's powers it would still be unbreakeable). By the way (I'm not sure of what I'm about to say), but if these weapons were made by the gods, both the shield and sword are made of Adamantine and not Adamantium. Adamantine is actually harder and more durable than Adamantium.

This figth all will be decided by figthing skills and even though Wolverine is a great figther (almost at cap's level but not better) Hercules is pretty good as well and  has thousands of years of experience not only in hand to hand but also with any type of Ancient greek Weapons (includind swords). So I say this match is pretty even and anyone of them can claim victory. All it takes is the one who makes the first mistake.

                   

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Anyone remember this;

Classic.

A depowered Herc versus Wolverine, unbreakable bones healing factor and all ... ? Probably a good fight. But if Herc takes a hit he's going to die. I think it's rather like a Captain America versus Wolverine battle. Good times. I too have to wait to understand what kinds of properties the sword has.

Logan should take it though... either that or they go for a brewskie.

"@Ramtha07: Marvel claims many things that have proven to be wrong in all ways. They say one thing writers write something different. Cap has much more figthing feats and agility than wolverine (manly because most of the times Wolverine just takes all blows by trusting in his own healing factor).  I think Cap is better than Wolverine but that's just my opinion.    "

I would disagree with the fighting feat comment. Wolverine has more than his share, and more than a few that trump much of what I've seen Cap do. And I do have the scans to prove it. But this is a very, very debatible topic nonetheless. Cap is awesome and an incredible fighter to be sure. Marvel canon simply has Wolverine better than Cap, and Wolverine has many, many feats that make this a very respectable comment to be making...

Still don't see how a depowered Herc could end up winning here...

" @alexandrinus: Actually, Marvel has Captain America at level 6 and Wolverine at level 7 in the fighting skills department. "

@Ramtha07:
Well i'm basing my comments on feats both have againts the same opponents. I keep seeing Wolverine taking hit after hit and Captain America simply doges them (getting out of the way).
The figths both had againts the Hulk for example (in the 616 Universe only). Wolverine can't doge one single punch ???  Both times (that i know of) that cap faced the Hulk, the Hulk landed only one to no punch to Cap. If Wolverine is so agille as Marvel claims, why isn't he written that way? All i'm saying is that he SHOULD be written that way.

But I think should be a discussion to another topic.

And don't get me wrong, Wolverine is one of my favorite characters, but I still think Hercules could take this in 5/10. Hercules as the equipament to match him (both the shield and sword are unbrekeable and are harder than Adamantium - it's claimed both weapons were made by Heaphesteus so the weapons must be made of Adamantine) and the experience to use it. Wolverine is an incredible figther and that's why I say both have their chances and the loser will be the one to make the firts mistake. 

@SlimJ87D:
You migth be rigth. But I still think cap should be an 7 or higher if possible. Of all the characters I know I only know a few wich I think could actually outmatch cap in fighting skills and agility. Gamora and maybe Mantis. C'mon, even Spider.man got mangled a dozen of times by cap. And I consider him to be the most agile character in the 616 Universe (please, someone correct me if I'm wrong).

Maybe cap. did spend most of his time with Americans, but besides his military training he also had training in the most forms of fighting tecnics and mastered avery single one of them. So I think that "his time with Americans" isn't that relevant. That's Why I keep saying that Marvel caims many things only to be changed later.

But then again, this is a discussion for another topic.

Id say Herc 7/10...

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@SlimJ87D:
You migth be rigth. But I still think cap should be an 7 or higher if possible. Of all the characters I know I only know a few wich I think could actually outmatch cap in fighting skills and agility. Gamora and maybe Mantis. C'mon, even Spider.man got mangled a dozen of times by cap. And I consider him to be the most agile character in the 616 Universe (please, someone correct me if I'm wrong).

Maybe cap. did spend most of his time with Americans, but besides his military training he also had training in the most forms of fighting tecnics and mastered avery single one of them. So I think that "his time with Americans" isn't that relevant. That's Why I keep saying that Marvel caims many things only to be changed later.

 

But then again, this is a discussion for another topic.

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Wolverine still takes it.

" @Ramtha07 said:

" @alexandrinus: Actually, Marvel has Captain America at level 6 and Wolverine at level 7 in the fighting skills department. "

A 6 and 7 in fighting skill isn't too far off. It's just mastering all forms of combat vs mastering 5 to 10. Someone once said it's not how much you know them but how well you know them.

Captain America and even Bucky were rating 7s for years. I don't know why Marvel decided to change it, maybe they realized that Cap spent most of his time with Americans and there is no way he was exposed to other forms of martial arts, not as much as Wolverine who has lived for years.

Bucky on the other hand should have remained a 7. He did help start the red room and  department X. 

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                    @Deranged Midget said:

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                    @god_spawn: Yes he's severely de-powered but he still has over 3000 years of fighting skills and experience and he is peak human, maybe slightly stronger. 

                   

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I don't think 3000 years of experience really means much in comics. It's the same logic with Thor, yet guys like Steve Rogers have better skill feats than Thor and Wolverine is a better fighter than cap.  Even at normal power Herc would have a hard time even laying a hand on Logan based on feats. Now that he's down to street level, it should be even harder.

                   

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@Jake Fury said:

"Wolverine wins. "

@alexandrinus:
Yes, Captain America is often portrayed dodging or avoiding what Wolverine does not. This does not mean Wolverine cannot. Understand, it's a question of adopted styles matching powersets. Wolverine tanks fights because he can. He is a damage soaker, it's part of his powerset. This does not mean he is not superhumanly fast. He is. He also happens to be a bullet dodger based on repeditive feats showing him as such and has reflexes that allow him to tag speedsters. The fact that he can both absorb AND avoid damage is what makes him a bad fight for Captain America. And I hold the same for depowered Hercules.

It just so happens with Wolverine, that the quickest route in ending a battle ends up being the most direct, and subsequently painful, route. (I think Logan is a masochist. Personal theory.) But hey, if we want finesse, read a Daredevil or a Spidey book I guess...

Captain America cannot afford to fight like Logan. He would have been killed 1000 times over. This is partly why Wolverine has so many low end showings... writers can take liberties with him that they cannot with other characters lacking his Healing Factor. Showing him getting taking blows that would kill normal street levelers. Yet because said blows actually KO'd Logan, all of a sudden he can no longer soak the hits from class 100's. (Personal rant).

However, the healing factor and durability is why Wolverine versus Hulk battles are so damn brutally fun. They can both unleash without Marvel losing one of their icons.
That's my take on it anyways...