Hercules. If they actually fight, SS will lose in a very messy physical battle. His strength max is nowhere near Hercules, and Hercules has sufficient durability\divine rejuvenation\healing ability to endure the Nova blasts as well, having suckled at Hera's breast and gaining invulnerability.. He also has sufficient stamina to make it through the force-fields eventually. Hercules also defeated and killed a Badoon version of the Silver Surfer, whose power level far exceeded Super-Skrull's. Herc for the win here.
Hercules. If they actually fight, SS will lose in a very messy physical battle. His strength max is nowhere near Hercules, and Hercules has sufficient durability\divine rejuvenation\healing ability to endure the Nova blasts as well, having suckled at Hera's breast and gaining invulnerability.. He also has sufficient stamina to make it through the force-fields eventually. Hercules also defeated and killed a Badoon version of the Silver Surfer, whose power level far exceeded Super-Skrull's. Herc for the win here.
yeah, Super Skrull's too fast and agile, and what with him having all of the Fantastic Four's powers, he's going to be able to be able to take a majority.
@Greendevil said:
SUPER-SKRULL
Skrull's going all Return of the King on those doors, btw.
yeah, Super Skrull's too fast and agile, and what with him having all of the Fantastic Four's powers, he's going to be able to be able to take a majority.
@Greendevil said:
SUPER-SKRULL
Skrull's going all Return of the King on those doors, btw.
With his powers, Super Skrull can easily escape. But if he stays and fights (and he will, because he's a warrior), he is going to lose....badly. Hercules defeated and killed K'lyburn, the Skrull Eternal God. And he was an Eternal, with the standard Eternal powers. Super Skrull has No chance head-to-head. Herc is the Ultimate Monster Slayer!
Herc has no defenses against his force-fields and can not touch Skrull at all. Not to mention he has enough durability and strength to hold his own (and physicaly harm Hercules.....i am fairily sure Skrull is supposed to be stronger than Thing, wich gotta count for something), specialy when you consider Mr.Fantastic's powers.
I looked it up and found this ''Hercules eventually came out on top with the aid of Snowbird, impaling Kly'bn through the back with the bone of an elder god, Demogorge's spine, apparently killing him''
He had help from Snowbird and a plot-device weapon, i strongly doubt Herc could have won without these things.
@thestarguy: @Matezoide2: yeah IIRC Herc was amped up against the Eternal Skrull.
If Herc had the Lion skin and Mace he would stand a much better chance. I have to agree though, if Klr't underestimates Herc and gets to close, he could get KTFO! But overall Klr't should be able to handle Herc.
Super Skrull - sooner or later. Hercules can't touch him and I don't see him taking all Sue's power combined with Nova blasts for too long.
Nope.
Based on? Point is that there is no reason to belive that Herc can survive Skrull's attacks and no reason to belive that he will be able to catch him. Skrull will be invisible from the start. How long Herc will be able to take his attacks?
Super Skrull - sooner or later. Hercules can't touch him and I don't see him taking all Sue's power combined with Nova blasts for too long.
Nope.
Based on? Point is that there is no reason to belive that Herc can survive Skrull's attacks and no reason to belive that he will be able to catch him. Skrull will be invisible from the start. How long Herc will be able to take his attacks?
Hercules has tanked attacks from Thor, Hulk, and Zeus.
One-shot from a morals off Hercules will lay the Super Skrull down dead, not even unconscious. Hercules will tag him sooner or later, as he has done Sentry.
Had assistance!?!? LOOK at that skrull... he's done...spent...herc could of done many things at point, like slam him, then go over, grab the bone an impale him with it.
An for everyone saying SS to fast an that Herc would lose because he cant fly, stop it... if this fight happens in comics, then judge it off of blow for blow and alien to god cause some of yall reasoning would put ironman vs hulk in favor of ironman 10/10 by staying a mile away an shooting him from afar. BS it never happens that way an if it has prove it an ill concede.
Thing strength isn't shit compared to Herc (he dragged Manhattan) an yall think a force field from IW can stand up to someone who can do that? An NO amount of fire can hurt Herc NONE... hes been to hell an back...Mr. Fantastic has the best shot to beat Herc out of the FF but not because of stretching but his brain power which SS doesn't have as much of.
SS is a warrior he will want a real fight, an Herc would provide him that GIFT
Herc will out last SS in an all out, drag out brawl. Not easy, but will come out on top.
Had assistance!?!? LOOK at that skrull... he's done...spent...herc could of done many things at point, like slam him, then go over, grab the bone an impale him with it.
An for everyone saying SS to fast an that Herc would lose because he cant fly, stop it... if this fight happens in comics, then judge it off of blow for blow and alien to god cause some of yall reasoning would put ironman vs hulk in favor of ironman 10/10 by staying a mile away an shooting him from afar. BS it never happens that way an if it has prove it an ill concede.
Thing strength isn't shit compared to Herc (he dragged Manhattan) an yall think a force field from IW can stand up to someone who can do that? An NO amount of fire can hurt Herc NONE... hes been to hell an back...Mr. Fantastic has the best shot to beat Herc out of the FF but not because of stretching but his brain power which SS doesn't have as much of.
SS is a warrior he will want a real fight, an Herc would provide him that GIFT
Herc will out last SS in an all out, drag out brawl. Not easy, but will come out on top.
This my friend is correct. You deserve a follow :3
im on the fence with this battle..... bloodlusted means going all out but it doesn mean they are in there right minds. SS maximum temperature output, which should be greater that HT at 1million degrees Farenheit should be a problem.
Had assistance!?!? LOOK at that skrull... he's done...spent...herc could of done many things at point, like slam him, then go over, grab the bone an impale him with it.
An for everyone saying SS to fast an that Herc would lose because he cant fly, stop it... if this fight happens in comics, then judge it off of blow for blow and alien to god cause some of yall reasoning would put ironman vs hulk in favor of ironman 10/10 by staying a mile away an shooting him from afar. BS it never happens that way an if it has prove it an ill concede.
Thing strength isn't shit compared to Herc (he dragged Manhattan) an yall think a force field from IW can stand up to someone who can do that? An NO amount of fire can hurt Herc NONE... hes been to hell an back...Mr. Fantastic has the best shot to beat Herc out of the FF but not because of stretching but his brain power which SS doesn't have as much of.
SS is a warrior he will want a real fight, an Herc would provide him that GIFT
Herc will out last SS in an all out, drag out brawl. Not easy, but will come out on top.
That post is crazy. These fight aren't placed in comics. And each fight in which they do some crazy stupid things is BS... No one is that stupid, to not use shoot from distance if enemy is much more dangerous in close fight.
wow!!! I'm surprised!! you really having debates over this one! Herc is WAY above SSkrull!! what feats does SS have? He is a cityblock level thread, throwing cars and getting beaten up by F4 on every occasion is not a feat!! Herc can go toe to toe with guys like Thor or Hulk. Super Skrull is nowhere near.
Had assistance!?!? LOOK at that skrull... he's done...spent...herc could of done many things at point, like slam him, then go over, grab the bone an impale him with it.
An for everyone saying SS to fast an that Herc would lose because he cant fly, stop it... if this fight happens in comics, then judge it off of blow for blow and alien to god cause some of yall reasoning would put ironman vs hulk in favor of ironman 10/10 by staying a mile away an shooting him from afar. BS it never happens that way an if it has prove it an ill concede.
Thing strength isn't shit compared to Herc (he dragged Manhattan) an yall think a force field from IW can stand up to someone who can do that? An NO amount of fire can hurt Herc NONE... hes been to hell an back...Mr. Fantastic has the best shot to beat Herc out of the FF but not because of stretching but his brain power which SS doesn't have as much of.
SS is a warrior he will want a real fight, an Herc would provide him that GIFT
Herc will out last SS in an all out, drag out brawl. Not easy, but will come out on top.
That post is crazy. These fight aren't placed in comics. And each fight in which they do some crazy stupid things is BS... No one is that stupid, to not use shoot from distance if enemy is much more dangerous in close fight.
These are comic book characters fighting in a comic book world in a scenario on a site called COMICvine. An in No comic does a warrior like SS fly around invisible shooting fireballs...an if anyone has an won fighting this way... show me an ill concede. Otherwise my logic stands. They will go toe to toe an SS loses.
Dont get me wrong i agree with what ppl are saying in that flying around invisible shooting fire balls is the perfect strategy. But their is enough history on SS to know he wouldnt fight that way anyways, an you have to take that into account, even if you dont agree with me.
Im not sure your stance on this fight but tell me, if they went toe to toe that Herc wouldn't take him?
Had assistance!?!? LOOK at that skrull... he's done...spent...herc could of done many things at point, like slam him, then go over, grab the bone an impale him with it.
An for everyone saying SS to fast an that Herc would lose because he cant fly, stop it... if this fight happens in comics, then judge it off of blow for blow and alien to god cause some of yall reasoning would put ironman vs hulk in favor of ironman 10/10 by staying a mile away an shooting him from afar. BS it never happens that way an if it has prove it an ill concede.
Thing strength isn't shit compared to Herc (he dragged Manhattan) an yall think a force field from IW can stand up to someone who can do that? An NO amount of fire can hurt Herc NONE... hes been to hell an back...Mr. Fantastic has the best shot to beat Herc out of the FF but not because of stretching but his brain power which SS doesn't have as much of.
SS is a warrior he will want a real fight, an Herc would provide him that GIFT
Herc will out last SS in an all out, drag out brawl. Not easy, but will come out on top.
That post is crazy. These fight aren't placed in comics. And each fight in which they do some crazy stupid things is BS... No one is that stupid, to not use shoot from distance if enemy is much more dangerous in close fight.
These are comic book characters fighting in a comic book world in a scenario on a site called COMICvine. An in No comic does a warrior like SS fly around invisible shooting fireballs...an if anyone has an won fighting this way... show me an ill concede. Otherwise my logic stands. They will go toe to toe an SS loses.
Dont get me wrong i agree with what ppl are saying in that flying around invisible shooting fire balls is the perfect strategy. But their is enough history on SS to know he wouldnt fight that way anyways, an you have to take that into account, even if you dont agree with me.
Im not sure your stance on this fight but tell me, if they went toe to toe that Herc wouldn't take him?
Hercules is definetly stronger than Super Skrull.
The thing is, not only is SS overral stronger and more durable than The Thing, he also has Mr.Fantastic's elasticity, wich severely helps his ability to battle Hercules in hand-to-hand, both in taking damage, but as well as inflicting it.
Super Skrull is far from a moron, despite what a lot of writters seems to think, after he fights Hercules and realises he is out-matched in hand to hand, he will employ his vast arsenal of powers to take him down, ie, flight, force fields and mind-control.
Speaking of mind-control, SS was willing to use his Mind-Controlling gaze against the Fantastic Four.
It is not like he was having problems or not having fun either, Super Skrull spent the whole issue beating the crap out of the FF and could have easily defeated them in several ways (It is worth noting he was already class 100 in that issue, while The Thing was only able to lift 5 tons).
The Skrull's large array of powers, plus his ability to survive against Hercules in close combat (Overral body durability + elasticity + Force Fields.....heck, even shooting fire directly at Herc's face should stun him a bit.) and overral competence should be enough to make him prevail against the Demi God. Heck, the only reason this is being mentioned is because that god was a Skrull too (Not saying it isnt a nice a feat).
Also, Invisible Woman has held down the Hulk with her force fields, while Super Skrull's are supposed to be even stronger. He was also made to be stronger than The Thing, everything they can do, Skrull does better. I also recall someone saying the instance Herc pulled Manhattan was just a story he was telling, but i am not sure.
He also lacks any defense against a force field to the brain (Wich Skrull has done before), as far as i know.
And can people stop mentioning the Skrull God? Hercules had help from Snowbird, a plot device and he is clearly a weak-ass Skyfather (Not even close to Zeus who beat Hulk to near death, for example) if he couldnt blink Hercules out of existence. If Hercules defeated him in hand-to-hand and killed him, then that Skyfather must be incredibly incompetent if he even allowed Herc to get close.
@Matezoide2: Besides, this Skrull isn't a god. He was Skrull's Eternals leader and considering in what way he was shown, he was closer to characters like Ikaris/Gilgamesh, then Zuras/Mentor. Besides, he was almost featless - his only win was against Ajak.
@thedude4731 said:
@czarny_samael666 said:
@thedude4731 said:
Had assistance!?!? LOOK at that skrull... he's done...spent...herc could of done many things at point, like slam him, then go over, grab the bone an impale him with it.
An for everyone saying SS to fast an that Herc would lose because he cant fly, stop it... if this fight happens in comics, then judge it off of blow for blow and alien to god cause some of yall reasoning would put ironman vs hulk in favor of ironman 10/10 by staying a mile away an shooting him from afar. BS it never happens that way an if it has prove it an ill concede.
Thing strength isn't shit compared to Herc (he dragged Manhattan) an yall think a force field from IW can stand up to someone who can do that? An NO amount of fire can hurt Herc NONE... hes been to hell an back...Mr. Fantastic has the best shot to beat Herc out of the FF but not because of stretching but his brain power which SS doesn't have as much of.
SS is a warrior he will want a real fight, an Herc would provide him that GIFT
Herc will out last SS in an all out, drag out brawl. Not easy, but will come out on top.
That post is crazy. These fight aren't placed in comics. And each fight in which they do some crazy stupid things is BS... No one is that stupid, to not use shoot from distance if enemy is much more dangerous in close fight.
These are comic book characters fighting in a comic book world in a scenario on a site called COMICvine. An in No comic does a warrior like SS fly around invisible shooting fireballs...an if anyone has an won fighting this way... show me an ill concede. Otherwise my logic stands. They will go toe to toe an SS loses.
Dont get me wrong i agree with what ppl are saying in that flying around invisible shooting fire balls is the perfect strategy. But their is enough history on SS to know he wouldnt fight that way anyways, an you have to take that into account, even if you dont agree with me.
Im not sure your stance on this fight but tell me, if they went toe to toe that Herc wouldn't take him?
Point was that You've said that it is standard. It isn't, people like Surfer or Firelord rarely starts battle like that. Even Iron Man don't fit to Your scenario. So, You can't assume that it will look like that for sure without knowledge about hero's character. And I knew that You don't have knowledge about SS, since Skrull in each of his appearances was using his powers pretty smart. And he is better and better in this. Look on his mini in Annihilation or his team-up with Nova Prime, when he was literally crushing brains of his enemies by Sue's force field. He even used fusion of Reed's and Ben's power to cut through group of Skrulls, when he was helping Richard. And in comis PIS is allowed - here it isn't. If Herc would go toe to toe, he probably would, but still he would have to hit him (which won't be easy thanks to Reed's powers) and break his shields (which also won't be easy).
Had assistance!?!? LOOK at that skrull... he's done...spent...herc could of done many things at point, like slam him, then go over, grab the bone an impale him with it.
An for everyone saying SS to fast an that Herc would lose because he cant fly, stop it... if this fight happens in comics, then judge it off of blow for blow and alien to god cause some of yall reasoning would put ironman vs hulk in favor of ironman 10/10 by staying a mile away an shooting him from afar. BS it never happens that way an if it has prove it an ill concede.
Thing strength isn't shit compared to Herc (he dragged Manhattan) an yall think a force field from IW can stand up to someone who can do that? An NO amount of fire can hurt Herc NONE... hes been to hell an back...Mr. Fantastic has the best shot to beat Herc out of the FF but not because of stretching but his brain power which SS doesn't have as much of.
SS is a warrior he will want a real fight, an Herc would provide him that GIFT
Herc will out last SS in an all out, drag out brawl. Not easy, but will come out on top.
That post is crazy. These fight aren't placed in comics. And each fight in which they do some crazy stupid things is BS... No one is that stupid, to not use shoot from distance if enemy is much more dangerous in close fight.
These are comic book characters fighting in a comic book world in a scenario on a site called COMICvine. An in No comic does a warrior like SS fly around invisible shooting fireballs...an if anyone has an won fighting this way... show me an ill concede. Otherwise my logic stands. They will go toe to toe an SS loses.
Dont get me wrong i agree with what ppl are saying in that flying around invisible shooting fire balls is the perfect strategy. But their is enough history on SS to know he wouldnt fight that way anyways, an you have to take that into account, even if you dont agree with me.
Im not sure your stance on this fight but tell me, if they went toe to toe that Herc wouldn't take him?
Hercules is definetly stronger than Super Skrull.
The thing is, not only is SS overral stronger and more durable than The Thing, he also has Mr.Fantastic's elasticity, wich severely helps his ability to battle Hercules in hand-to-hand, both in taking damage, but as well as inflicting it.
Super Skrull is far from a moron, despite what a lot of writters seems to think, after he fights Hercules and realises he is out-matched in hand to hand, he will employ his vast arsenal of powers to take him down, ie, flight, force fields and mind-control.
Speaking of mind-control, SS was willing to use his Mind-Controlling gaze against the Fantastic Four.
It is not like he was having problems or not having fun either, Super Skrull spent the whole issue beating the crap out of the FF and could have easily defeated them in several ways (It is worth noting he was already class 100 in that issue, while The Thing was only able to lift 5 tons).
The Skrull's large array of powers, plus his ability to survive against Hercules in close combat (Overral body durability + elasticity + Force Fields.....heck, even shooting fire directly at Herc's face should stun him a bit.) and overral competence should be enough to make him prevail against the Demi God. Heck, the only reason this is being mentioned is because that god was a Skrull too (Not saying it isnt a nice a feat).
Also, Invisible Woman has held down the Hulk with her force fields, while Super Skrull's are supposed to be even stronger. He was also made to be stronger than The Thing, everything they can do, Skrull does better. I also recall someone saying the instance Herc pulled Manhattan was just a story he was telling, but i am not sure.
He also lacks any defense against a force field to the brain (Wich Skrull has done before), as far as i know.
And can people stop mentioning the Skrull God? Hercules had help from Snowbird, a plot device and he is clearly a weak-ass Skyfather (Not even close to Zeus who beat Hulk to near death, for example) if he couldnt blink Hercules out of existence. If Hercules defeated him in hand-to-hand and killed him, then that Skyfather must be incredibly incompetent if he even allowed Herc to get close.
he didnt have help... if you read the issue she was thought to be dead! an arrived at the very end of the fight. a fight in which the skrull god killed several other gods himself, but couldnt do the same to herc. Demogorge was killed in this battle. a character all gods Fear that includes zeus who defeated hulk.
but i see your points, but for one Hercules in bloodlust is far stronger than a regular Hulk (pulled an island, lifting the sky, winning a toe to toe fight with thor, capable of destroying planets, throwing godzilla) and according to that pic of SS hypnotising thing...if he came that close, an tried to grab herc, hercs bloodlust strength coupled with thousands of years of fighting skills, an fighting all types of monsters takes SS out... an trust me fire doesnt hurt herc at all! Hes used Hell Fire on several occasions to remove hydra blood from his skin.
show me him using his Force Field powers to block off the brain an ill concede.
To be fair, Demogorge wasnt killed by being overpowered, IIRC, and i think it was very wierd that such a character that can take down the likes of Zeus would lose to someone unable to defeat Hercules, it is just wierd.
My bad for being wrong though, it has been a long time since i read it.....do refresh my memory though, Hercules used Demogorge's spine to kill him, right?
Oh, yes, Hercules is definetly stronger and would surely win in hand-to-hand, but i still believe that SS can survive for long enough to think ''Hey, i am not hurting this guy at all!'', simply due to his durability and stretching. If he came in close to try that, i am sure he would take a few blows to the face, but i think it could work, specialy if Herc tries to pin him down (A possibility, due to his knowledge on greek fighting, assuming Kl'rt doesnt uses his elasticity prior that). His powers also work in longer distances, but to a slower extent.
I know fire doesnt hurts Hercules, thats not my point, i mean that if SS were to shoot it directly into his face, the sheer brightness and surprise factor should stun Herc a bit.
Just remembered Skrull can also turn invisible, that may play a factor when he manages to get some distance (either running away, using the force fields or being punched a few meters away).
Also, heres the bubble to the brain :P.
Basicaly, i believe Super Skrull has the ability to survive against Hercules in close-combat, get some distance and abuse his others powers to gain the upper-hand and eventualy defeat Hercules.
But i really see your points, feel free to point out if something sounds fishy in my post, we are here to learn after all, correct?
@Matezoide2: Demogore was killed by Sl'Gur't, not by Kly'Bn. Kly'Bn was fighting with Ajax and then with Herc. Sl'Gur't killed Demogorge and then fought with Mikaboshi, who killed her. Herc never stand against her. Yes, he used it to kill Kly'Bn.
My bad, it has been a prety damn long time since i read that issue.
No problem, BTW it was Snowbird who made final attack: http://www.comicvine.com/klybn/29-56389/all-images/108-210055/snowbird_herc_klybn_rafa_sandoval/105-827659/ I doesn't have these scans on my PC right now, I am using what I've found on his pages on CV.
Hercules killed skyfather of Skrulls most powerful skrull god they ever had who would blink ss to death
Unless I'm mistaken, I'm pretty sure Herc was amped up / had assistance when he killed the Skyfather Skrull.
He was not. you are mistaken
It wasn't a Skyfather, it was leader of Skrull's Eternals (he even said to Ajak "cousin"). And it was Snowbird who made last shot according to Kly'Bn scans on CV.
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