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#51  Edited By mira

You are right. He is older cause he's demigod. But i saw him fight against gaint (it was also demigod or at least i think so) and he was not able lift his leg until She Hulk helped him. But She Hulk lifted him without sweating.

The fact that he is older don't means that he is stronger.

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#52  Edited By lordraiden
mira said:
"You are right. He is older cause he's demigod. But i saw him fight against gaint (it was also demigod or at least i think so) and he was not able lift his leg until She Hulk helped him. But She Hulk lifted him without sweating."

That's just one example, and it's not entirely bad writing, but obviously benifited the character of She-Hulk, I wouldn't go basing that one panel/comic on the fact that that makes She-Hulk>Hercules, cause I could give a dozen feats for Herc for every one that She Hulk has! There's nothing wrong with liking She-Hulk or believing she's an awsome/powerfull character, just doesn't mean she can take out the likes of Herc, or Hulk, or Superman or even Namor :-)
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#53  Edited By mira

I did not say that she can defeat Superman or Hulk. Hulk is stronger, but if she gets berserk than she is strong and mindless like Hulk.
Im not saing that nobody can deafeat her. I just think that Hercules will lose.

And by the way im Hercules's fan too. But still. Hey do you think that Hercules can defeat Hulk?

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#54  Edited By vance_astro  Moderator
mira said:
"Hey i know a lot about She Hulk and Champion of the universe.
And i know that Champion has power gem. Because of that he was undefeatable.

And about Hulk vs She Hulk. Like i said it ended with draw which means there was no winner.

Hercules better fighter???
She Hulk was trained by Cap. America, SHIELD and Gamora (im not sure if i wrote that name right). So i don't think that Hercules is better fighter.


She Hulk will win. Im sure. I'll vote for She Hulk"
Your posts prove otherwise.
Champion is a level 7 fighter..with or without the gem.
Your naming one instance She-Hulk had a chance against Hulk..he has beaten her 5 times including World War Hulk
Hercules is a better fighter...he was forged in massive battles..I know who She-Hulk was trained by...you left out Ben Grimm (The Thing)

She Hulk won't can cannot win.


mira said:
"But she is stronger than Hercules. I saw it in one issue. So how can he win? Can you explain? Cause i don't get it."
She arm wrestled Hercules and she said she let him win..but who is to say he wouldn't have one anyway? He is stronger than her.Hercules dragged and entire city back into place...she has no comparable feats.Hercules wins because Hercules can pound on her until she's unconsious..he has done it to the Hulk himself at weaker levels.


mira said:
"You are right. He is older cause he's demigod. But i saw him fight against gaint (it was also demigod or at least i think so) and he was not able lift his leg until She Hulk helped him. But She Hulk lifted him without sweating.

The fact that he is older don't means that he is stronger."

Hercules beat the crap out of Hulk....in the middle of the fight he easily took out Ares the God of War and then continued fighting....
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#55  Edited By mira

Really? Hercules defeated Hulk? I did not know it.

She arm wrestled Hercules and she said she let him win..but who is to say he wouldn't have one anyway?
I remember that it was said that Herc was giving everything in it. Am i right?

And i about that Hulk defeated She Hulk, but she was not really berserk.

I saw her berserk in Sensational She-Hulk. Hulk was not able beat her.

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#56  Edited By lordraiden
mira said:
"Really? Hercules defeated Hulk? I did not know it.

She arm wrestled Hercules and she said she let him win..but who is to say he wouldn't have one anyway?
I remember that it was said that Herc was giving everything in it. Am i right?

And i about that Hulk defeated She Hulk, but she was not really berserk.

I saw her berserk in Sensational She-Hulk. Hulk was not able beat her."

Hulk will always > She Hulk, cause her beserker rage is nothing compared to her cousin, Hulk!
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#57  Edited By mira

Im still not convinced that he'll win.

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#58  Edited By White Hulk

I will go for She-Hulk im not a big fan of Jerkules.

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#59  Edited By lordraiden
White Hulk said:
"I will go for She-Hulk im not a big fan of Jerkules."

No worries, but unfortunately, this isn't fan based :-)
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#60  Edited By vance_astro  Moderator
White Hulk said:
"I will go for She-Hulk im not a big fan of Jerkules."
Your not smart either.
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#61  Edited By mira

It's not Jerkules, but Hercules.

And I'll vote for She Hulk.

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#62  Edited By mira

That's not true you should read Sensational She-Hulk.

Im convinced that She Hulk will win.

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#63  Edited By White Hulk
mira said:
"It's not Jerkules, but Hercules.

And I'll vote for She Hulk."

I know it Hercules. I was making a joke.
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#64  Edited By Hadrelius
mira said:
"But she is stronger than Hercules. I saw it in one issue. So how can he win? Can you explain? Cause i don't get it."
I will agree that most underestimate her but she is not stronger than Hercules. He has been shown to only second to an enraged Hulk in my opinion. By examples of feats in Marvel comics he is stronger. He pulled the island of Manhatten. During WWHulk he stood toe to toe with him until he decided not to fight back. Even knocking him on his butt.
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#65  Edited By mira

Ohh yeah and do you remember few last issues of Sensational She-Hulk. When she was berserk? She was mindless and strong like Hulk. Even her cousin was not able calm her down.

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#66  Edited By mira

Can you tell me why most people think that Hercules will win? Cause im not convinced.
I still believe in She Hulk.

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#67  Edited By Hadrelius
mira said:
"Can you tell me why most people think that Hercules will win? Cause im not convinced.
I still believe in She Hulk."
Mainly because of feats. Can you think of any feat of strength of She-Hulk that can compare to Hercules being able to pull an entire island?
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#68  Edited By Hadrelius

Marvel showed him to be stronger during WWHulk. Having She-Hulk's blow to the Hulk barely register while Hercules knocked him down. Only Juggernaut and Sentry did this during the series. Not even the Thing made much of an opponent. Like She-Hulk, one blow and they were out of fight.  

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#70  Edited By mira

Did you see what she did in Sensational She-Hulk issues 55, 56 and 57? There she was berserk.

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#72  Edited By Hadrelius
mira said:
"Did you see what she did in Sensational She-Hulk issues 55, 56 and 57? There she was berserk."

No I didn't. What was done to show her new level of strength?
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#73  Edited By mira

Explain. Please.

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#74  Edited By mira

She was berserk there and you should see that mess what she did. Even Hulk was not able calm her.

Good issue.

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#75  Edited By Hadrelius
mira said:
"She was berserk there and you should see that mess what she did. Even Hulk was not able calm her.

Good issue."
But was shown to show her strength was on par with Herc? How did the Hulk try to calm her? Did he fight her with all he had and still couldn't stop her?
The thing is, with charcters that are listed as class 100, you never know their upper limits. So since She-Hulk and Herc have not fought eeach other since she has been given this rank, you can guess as to who is stronger by the feats shown in comics. I gave two to back my opinion. Is there any to back that She-Hulk is stronger?

Remember, this is all just opinion since there is no definite proof, like one being able to lift 100 tons and one only lifting 95. So it's not a matter of being right or wrong, just defending your opinion.
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#76  Edited By The Accuser

Hercules

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#77  Edited By The Accuser

Hercules

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#78  Edited By Hadrelius
The Accuser said:
"Hercules"

Why?
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#79  Edited By mira

Thing's latest maximum is 100t. She Hulk can lift it with one hand. So it means she can lift at least 200t. I don't know why she is still class 100. Cause she is stronger.

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#80  Edited By Hadrelius
mira said:
"Thing's latest maximum is 100t. She Hulk can lift it with one hand. So it means she can lift at least 200t. I don't know why she is still class 100. Cause she is stronger."

Class 100 means that the character can lift well over 100 tons with no upper limit being known. So she could lift 200 tons and still be class 100. The Hulk and Herc are listed as class 100.
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#81  Edited By NightFang3
King Saturn said:
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Hercules wins in a great fight with She Hulk.

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#82  Edited By mira

Hulk and Herc are class 100 too. So this means she can be stronger than Herc. I don't think that 200t is her max cause she lifted it without sweating. So i think she is able to lift even more.

She Hulk wins.

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#83  Edited By Hadrelius
mira said:
"Hulk and Herc are class 100 too. So this means she can be stronger than Herc. I don't think that 200t is her max cause she lifted it without sweating. So i think she is able to lift even more.

She Hulk wins."
Why do you feel she can become stronger? 
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#84  Edited By mira

Cause her strength can grows with her anger and also with her fear.

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#85  Edited By mira

And by the way she can also gets berserk (or savage). Like i saw in Sensational She-Hulk issues 54,55,56.

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#86  Edited By Zoom

Hercules.

He's stronger and the better fighter.  Plus, a wrestler is well suited to taking down someone who isn't as strong as he is.

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#87  Edited By vance_astro  Moderator
mira said:
"And by the way she can also gets berserk (or savage). Like i saw in Sensational She-Hulk issues 54,55,56."
I'm sick of your sh#t already.
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#88  Edited By Hadrelius
mira said:
"Cause her strength can grows with her anger and also with her fear."

She does seem to grow stronger when she hulks-out but I never seen her listed as unlimited or potential for unlimited strength.
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#89  Edited By vance_astro  Moderator
Alpha said:
"mira said:
"Cause her strength can grows with her anger and also with her fear."

She does seem to grow stronger when she hulks-out but I never seen her listed as unlimited or potential for unlimited strength."
Her strength is unlimited but like Hulk if she gets her ass beat before she gets too angry than that unlimited strength label is worthless.
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#90  Edited By Hadrelius
Vance Astro said:
"Alpha said:
"mira said:
"Cause her strength can grows with her anger and also with her fear."

She does seem to grow stronger when she hulks-out but I never seen her listed as unlimited or potential for unlimited strength."
Her strength is unlimited but like Hulk if she gets her ass beat before she gets too angry than that unlimited strength label is worthless."

Don't let any Hulk fanboys catch that!
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#91  Edited By vance_astro  Moderator
Alpha said:
"Vance Astro said:
"Alpha said:
"mira said:
"Cause her strength can grows with her anger and also with her fear."

She does seem to grow stronger when she hulks-out but I never seen her listed as unlimited or potential for unlimited strength."
Her strength is unlimited but like Hulk if she gets her ass beat before she gets too angry than that unlimited strength label is worthless."

Don't let any Hulk fanboys catch that!"
Nothing I can do about it lol.
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#92  Edited By mira

You are right, but she's always "little" angry. Or at least i think so.

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#93  Edited By Hadrelius
mira said:
"You are right, but she's always "little" angry. Or at least i think so."

I don't agree. She doesn't like losing control. She has always kept that side in check. The last time I remember (in the Avengers) that it happened, she quit the team becasue of it. Not since the classic days has she needed to be angry to chnage.
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#94  Edited By mira

I know. I did not mean that she must get angry to change.

I have one question. Why some people think that her fight against Champion of the universe was a plot?

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#95  Edited By LordCosmicKing

he is fighter who skills are off the chart and he has been alive for billions of years with the primordial power she hulk only been alive very short time her fighting should not been able to stop him

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#96  Edited By mira

But i read that issue again and it was fair match. (I mean when he removed his power gem).
I remember one sentence: You are champion no more.

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#97  Edited By Hadrelius
mira said:
"But i read that issue again and it was fair match. (I mean when he removed power gem)"

Without the gem he would still be above her in every way. With his experience with countless fighting skills and class 100 strength that atleast matches hers (my opinion it's beyond like Hercules). She shouldn't have won. Especially the way they had it.

In my opinion, She-Hulk is the strongest woman in Marvel (like Wonder Woman is in DC). But like Wonder Woman, there are male characters stronger. Not many though.
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#98  Edited By mira

Really? And do you know how much can She Hulk lift?

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#99  Edited By mira

She was also savage in She Hulk vol2 issue 29.

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#100  Edited By LordCosmicKing

mira ill take ur side she hulk has just a good  a chance of taking out herc with her pressure point attacks she learned from gamora
herc is mostly a grappler wrestler a few well placed kicks that she is famous for she could take down herc