"But the Forgotten one has mind control powers..."
The Mental Powers could be a set back... but Herc should be durable enough to handle the core of Gilgamesh's attacks... "
Gilgamesh had devouted most of time to other endeavours and so had not developed his Eternal abilities to any extent unlike Sersi or Ikaris. Gilamesh's strength was supposed to also be in the Class 100 catagory, like Thor and Hercules.
"But the Forgotten one has mind control powers..."
The Mental Powers could be a set back... but Herc should be durable enough to handle the core of Gilgamesh's attacks... "
Gilgamesh had devouted most of time to other endeavours and so had not developed his Eternal abilities to any extent unlike Sersi or Ikaris.Gilamesh's strength was supposed to also be in the Class 100 catagory, like Thor and Hercules."
Gilgamesh is on par with Thor and Hercules in strength ? Has he done any Hercules like feats like lifting Marvel Earth or dragging Manhattan ?
Issue #3 you are right. It was Ajak. Eternals still have to develop their abilities for them to be able to be used. If he has it but never uses it, then it is worthless.
"Issue #3 you are right. It was Ajak. Eternals still have to develop their abilities for them to be able to be used. If he has it but never uses it, then it is worthless."
The older version of Gilgamesh could use these abilities. Damn rewrites for their unfairness ! LOL.
King Saturn said:
Gilgamesh is on par with Thor and Hercules in strength ? Has he done any Hercules like feats like lifting Marvel Earth or dragging Manhattan ?"
He has faught against both Thor and Hercules previously and matched them virtually strength for strength (or near as damn it).
I really need to get both the classic series to fill these gaps in details. But I was under the impression that while he was holding his own, he was not winning against Hercules or classic Thor.
"I really need to get both the classic series to fill these gaps in details. But I was under the impression that while he was holding his own, he was not winning against Hercules or classic Thor. "
He stood toe to toe with Hercules, exchanging blows. I don't recall if a clear winner was found before the Eternals / Olympians called their battle to a halt. With his Thor battle (when Gilgamesh was in the Celestials provided space armour), he was able to hold his own in the fight with Thor for some time.
Overal this battle would be a great one as both combatants are massively strong (but I think Hercules is stronger), very durable, both have massive endurance and both have tremendous hand to hand fighting skills. I think Hercules has slight advantages in all catagories and would win but the fight would be brutal.
Gilgamesh is on par with Thor and Hercules in strength ? Has he done any Hercules like feats like lifting Marvel Earth or dragging Manhattan ?"
He has faught against both Thor and Hercules previously and matched them virtually strength for strength (or near as damn it)."
Hmmm... interesting. I thought Gilgamesh was a little weaker than Herc and Thor physically"
I was under the same impression. Both Thor and Hercules have had much stronger showings lately as well while Gilgamesh barely did anything at all in his most recent appearances.
"I really need to get both the classic series to fill these gaps in details. But I was under the impression that while he was holding his own, he was not winning against Hercules or classic Thor. "
He stood toe to toe with Hercules, exchanging blows. I don't recall if a clear winner was found before the Eternals / Olympians called their battle to a halt.With his Thor battle (when Gilgamesh was in the Celestials provided space armour), he was able to hold his own in the fight with Thor for some time.Overal this battle would be a great one as both combatants are massively strong (but I think Hercules is stronger), very durable, both have massive endurance and both have tremendous hand to hand fighting skills.I think Hercules has slight advantages in all catagories and would win but the fight would be brutal."
I agree. The fight would be a very impressive one. I would still give this to Hercules.
I think Gilgamesh wins.If they are comparable in strength Gilgamesh seems to be smarter than Herc and he uses the fighting skills he learned alot more.As said by Mikaboshi..Herc just rushes in and punches things.
"This would be a good battle but Hercules is stronger. The Eternal's other powers would even it up though. My vote is for Herc cause of his fighting skills."
Your Vote is Herc because of fighting skills? You have to be joking.
"I think Gilgamesh wins.If they are comparable in strength Gilgamesh seems to be smarter than Herc and he uses the fighting skills he learned alot more.As said by Mikaboshi..Herc just rushes in and punches things."
Gilgamesh has also been shown to rush in and do things without thinking (like when he had joined the Avengers).
"I think Gilgamesh wins.If they are comparable in strength Gilgamesh seems to be smarter than Herc and he uses the fighting skills he learned alot more.As said by Mikaboshi..Herc just rushes in and punches things."
Gilgamesh has also been shown to rush in and do things without thinking (like when he had joined the Avengers).
Gilgamesh hasn't been shown to do that recently...Herc has.
"I think Gilgamesh wins.If they are comparable in strength Gilgamesh seems to be smarter than Herc and he uses the fighting skills he learned alot more.As said by Mikaboshi..Herc just rushes in and punches things."
Gilgamesh has also been shown to rush in and do things without thinking (like when he had joined the Avengers).
Gilgamesh hasn't been shown to do that recently...Herc has."
None of the Eternals had as their appearances had gone to almost nothing. His powers don't appears to have changed substantially so his earlier appearances are valid.
"This would be a good battle but Hercules is stronger. The Eternal's other powers would even it up though. My vote is for Herc cause of his fighting skills."
Your Vote is Herc because of fighting skills? You have to be joking."
Why? You don't think he is better or that being better doesn't matter?
"Herc fighting skills are match by very few. It good that Marvel is starting to shwo them instead of him being just a mindless brawler. "
Herc's fighitng skills are a joke.Mikaboshi mentioned his lack of it and the Marvel handbook puts him at a level 4 and alot of people on that same level have shown to be way better fighters than Herc and more to the point level 4 is pretty low.Most people get that just by being an Avenger or and X-man.
"Herc fighting skills are match by very few. It good that Marvel is starting to shwo them instead of him being just a mindless brawler. "
Herc's fighitng skills are a joke.Mikaboshi mentioned his lack of it and the Marvel handbook puts him at a level 4 and alot of people on that same level have shown to be way better fighters than Herc and more to the point level 4 is pretty low.Most people get that just by being an Avenger or and X-man."
Hercules is diff now. They are keeping him close to the myth. He is showing his skill in his comic.
"Herc fighting skills are match by very few. It good that Marvel is starting to shwo them instead of him being just a mindless brawler. "
Herc's fighitng skills are a joke.Mikaboshi mentioned his lack of it and the Marvel handbook puts him at a level 4 and alot of people on that same level have shown to be way better fighters than Herc and more to the point level 4 is pretty low.Most people get that just by being an Avenger or and X-man."
Hercules is diff now. They are keeping him close to the myth. He is showing his skill in his comic. "
If he's different now why is Mikaboshi ragging on his lack of fighting skill recent? Mikaboshi is a fairly new character..so he's obviously not different NOW!
Hercules has beaten the Thing and was on his way to beating Thor in martial skill feats, both focussing on his wrestling / boxing skills. Both of these are considered good hand hand to fighters. Gilgamesh to my knowledge does no use different techniques to Hercules.
"Hercules has beaten the Thing and was on his way to beating Thor in martial skill feats, both focussing on his wrestling / boxing skills.Both of these are considered good hand hand to fighters.Gilgamesh to my knowledge does no use different techniques to Hercules."
1.Hercules is alot stronger than the Thing
2.I don't think Thor was actually going full blast against Hercules.
3.Gilgamesh may use similar techniques but I believe he's better.
"Hercules has beaten the Thing and was on his way to beating Thor in martial skill feats, both focussing on his wrestling / boxing skills.Both of these are considered good hand hand to fighters.Gilgamesh to my knowledge does no use different techniques to Hercules."
1.Hercules is alot stronger than the Thing
2.I don't think Thor was actually going full blast against Hercules.
3.Gilgamesh may use similar techniques but I believe he's better.
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The view point on this fights was in skill, not power. A weaker fighter can beat a stronger one through technique. The Thing is a great fighter, employing boxing and wrestling techniques and Herc appeared to eclipse him in these areas. There is no evidence to say that Thor was not going full out in the battle. Gilgamesh, like many other Eternals, lacks a lot of feats to back up abilities. You have your opinion that Gilgamesh is a better fighter, others think that Herc is the better. What is clear is that both have thousands of years experience in hand to hand combat.
The view point on this fights was in skill, not power. A weaker fighter can beat a stronger one through technique.The Thing is a great fighter, employing boxing and wrestling techniques and Herc appeared to eclipse him in these areas.There is no evidence to say that Thor was not going full out in the battle.Gilgamesh, like many other Eternals, lacks a lot of feats to back up abilities. You have your opinion that Gilgamesh is a better fighter, others think that Herc is the better.What is clear is that both have thousands of years experience in hand to hand combat."
1.The Thing couldn't beat Herc if he really wanted to,either way.The Thing has more often then not..shown to have skill above the level of Hercules.I don't know when this fight took place but The Thing has taken the time to hone his skills over the years.Herc could have out fought him at a time where he wasn't at his best as far as skill is concerned
2.The fact that Herc won is the proof Thor wasn't going full blast.
3.Gilgamesh doesn't have a lack of feats.He has been around for quite a while.
1.The Thing couldn't beat Herc if he really wanted to,either way.The Thing has more often then not..shown to have skill above the level of Hercules.I don't know when this fight took place but The Thing has taken the time to hone his skills over the years.Herc could have out fought him at a time where he wasn't at his best as far as skill is concerned
2.The fact that Herc won is the proof Thor wasn't going full blast.
3.Gilgamesh doesn't have a lack of feats.He has been around for quite a while.
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I'm trying to recall the comic but Herc out wrestled the Thing. In most fights (unless it states otherwise like when Thor faught Cap Briatin), I would assume that the fighters are going full tilt as they don't want to lose. Yes Gilgamesh has been around a log time but for a character that has lived for thousands of years he has not appeared in that many comics, fewer than Hercules has. He has many strength feats shown (and durability accordingly) but less fighting skill ones.
1.The Thing couldn't beat Herc if he really wanted to,either way.The Thing has more often then not..shown to have skill above the level of Hercules.I don't know when this fight took place but The Thing has taken the time to hone his skills over the years.Herc could have out fought him at a time where he wasn't at his best as far as skill is concerned
2.The fact that Herc won is the proof Thor wasn't going full blast.
3.Gilgamesh doesn't have a lack of feats.He has been around for quite a while.
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I'm trying to recall the comic but Herc out wrestled the Thing.In most fights (unless it states otherwise like when Thor faught Cap Briatin), I would assume that the fighters are going full tilt as they don't want to lose.Yes Gilgamesh has been around a log time but for a character that has lived for thousands of years he has not appeared in that many comics, fewer than Hercules has. He has many strength feats shown (and durability accordingly) but less fighting skill ones."
"Herc fighting skills are match by very few. It good that Marvel is starting to shwo them instead of him being just a mindless brawler. "
Herc's fighitng skills are a joke.Mikaboshi mentioned his lack of it and the Marvel handbook puts him at a level 4 and alot of people on that same level have shown to be way better fighters than Herc and more to the point level 4 is pretty low.Most people get that just by being an Avenger or and X-man."
Hercules is diff now. They are keeping him close to the myth. He is showing his skill in his comic. "
If he's different now why is Mikaboshi ragging on his lack of fighting skill recent? Mikaboshi is a fairly new character..so he's obviously not different NOW!"
U really not using a ramblings of a bad guy as proof are you?
Very similar skillans power sets. Gilgamesh's bio has stated that except for strength, he hasn't developed his natural-born eternal abilities. That evens things right up. Hercules is the stronger of the two and would also have the edge in stamina. As for fighting skills, both of the guys do have literally thousands of years of experience and practice. I'd say Hercules also gets the edge here due to him being a co-creator (along with Theseus) of the ancient and brutal combat art: Pankration. This is one helluva fight with both getting their licks in. It's closer than many would think based on Gilgameshes lack of great comic depicted battles. Gilgamesh is probably second only to Hercules in hand-to-hand combat skills (yes even better than Thor who rarely fights sans hammer) Hercules wins this one but it isn't easy.
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