H'el vs WW3 Black Adam

Rules

• Random encounter
• WW3 Black Adam
• Morals on
• No Bfr
• Win by death or KO
• Location: Indestructible and unpopulated Earth.

I think this has been done.

H'el

Adam

@racob7: I don't think so.

Why ?

@zeroplus: He's faster from what I've heard.

@zeroplus: Versatility Teth can't counter

@reaverlation: That too. Teleportation would be a b!tch to handle.

@dondave: Why ?

@monsterstomp: Speed isn't everything.

@zeroplus: Speed is everything in a fight. Lol.

@monsterstomp: Well, WW3 Black Adam has shown great durability and strength, and I don't recall any great speed feat from H'el.

@zeroplus: H'el moved too fast for even Superman to do anything

@reaverlation: scans please?

@reaverlation: BA has god speed.

@zeroplus: On a phone but it was in H'el's 1st appearance in Superman #14 IIRC.

@redmonkeyssj4: And?

H'el has only shown that he can teleport as far as the Sun. Adam can come back.

Black Adam isn't exactly slow either, H'el isn't going to blitz him, neither will Adam find all that hard to hit him

It's fast enough to keep up with pre-52 speedsters, without using SF.

@reaverlation: Oh ok.

Physically, Adam will thrash H'el. Not sure about H'el's power-set though.

Black Adam.

Black Adam FTW!!!!

@frozen: Except the powers Kryptonians display under the yellow sun, he posseses other powers as well like: telepathy, telekinesis, teleportation, matter manipulation etc.

Teth can't beat his versatility

@zeroplus: Depends on if it's a physical fight then.

@frozen: I doubt Teth will thrash H'el with physical hits as he took Superman's planet shaking hits quite well.

@reaverlation: WW3 Adam fought Alan Scott, Jay Garrick, Power Girl, Firestorm, Hourman, Dr. Light, John Stewart, Guy Gardener, Martian Manhunter etc all at the same time. Look at all the heroes in the picture fighting the WW3 Adam.

@frozen: And?The only one there who can deliver those kind of attacks are Alan,John,and the Martian and they weren't going all out to that point.H'el taking Clark's best hits and casually send Superman flying with his hits and uppercutting Superman into orbit is ridiculous strong. Saying either would thrash each other in a physical fight is ridiculous

@reaverlation: It's not ridiculous. WW3 is regarded as PIS by some and if we allow those feats he trashes physically. This is a version that was much more powerful than standard Superman/Captain Marvel level. What do you mean ''the only ones that can deliver those attacks?'' --- Firestorm, Dr. Light, Hourman, etc. It goes on.

...That's just a stretch for any character to fight.

@frozen: You're overblowing Teth's feats right now.Impressive yes but I don't see how this puts him in a different physical league to h'el.How is this a more powerful version when it's just a bloodlusted Teth against people not going to their fullest?Superman has taken on the Justice League but it doesn't automatically place him above Adam.By attacks I mean attacks capable of shaking the entire planet in which H'el took easily in which he punched Superman away easily.

@reaverlation: No. I'm not. Read the story. His power-levels were amplified. It was basically Black Adam vs DC. Adam should have been overpowered regardless. Superman fought an alien dog-pile (consisting of many heroes, similar to WW3 encounter) and was overwhelmed. There's just..no way I can overblow WW3. Seriously. That claim is baseless.

Adam in a tough fight

@frozen: No they weren't. Teth was just going all out and bloodlusted while the people he faced were not going all out like Teth.It's an impressive showing as it's another feat of Teth being a team buster (and a very powerful team nonetheless) but to suggest he can physically trash H'el is too much as he's taken Superman's best hits to no avail. H'el physically is a problem for Teth but the versatility he brings seals the deal

@reaverlation: Yes they were. Irrelevant if Teth was bloodlusted, a handful could restrain him and they knew how dangerous he was. He fought them for an entire story. Black Adam or Superman cannot take 20 + powerhouses of that magnitude. There is no way to spin that, a team consisting of Alan Scott, two other notable Green Lantern's, Firestorm and Martian Manhunter is already enough. WW3 added 20 + more heroes. WW3 is beyond team buster. Normal Black Adam already gave Superman trouble, WW3 amplified him far beyond that level. I do not need to count the heroes in that picture to point that out.

@frozen: What amped him in WW3? Just curious how he was able to grow so strong.

Anyway Black Adam should win seeing as he was much stronger than pre-52 Supes.

@thitiki He wasn't amped

What made him grow so much stronger then?

Plot.

@thitiki He was just bloodlusted due to his wife being killed. It's why WW3 is generally regarded as being PIS.

Oh ): Not as good as I thought then. That's disappointing.

Black Adam.

This guy always overestimating WW3 Teth like he is unbeatable. Dark Supergirl beat Martian and Flash so perhaps we should go around saying she can beat anybody. They are plot device characters. It is all PIS.

I don'twantto dothis butbump.

Adam.

@frozen: @thitiki: He wasn't much more powerful, he was just much Angier and Blood-Lusted, he was being harmed in WW3, and if you look over one of the scans it states that he was able to keep fighting due to ruthlessness.

He should been stopped quite easily, but they made it out as if he was somehow powerful enough by anger to keep up with them; which is PIS.

WW3 Black Adam is not like Thor with the ability to go Warrior Madness and become 10x more powerful, he just becomes more ruthless and doesn't hold back, so he is not unbeatable, and is not comparable to herald level+ beings; however I am glad WW3 happened, as it his characters popularity rose.

H'el should win this, his problem could be his vulnerability to magic(not weakness), this fight will probably end up like when Ultraman fought (New-52)Black Adam, however this time Black Adam will be able to hang with him a bit longer due to his rage and ruthlessness.

I think he is talking about this.

The dialogue from Superman does seem to suggest H'el is actually faster than him.

"I'm more worried by how quickly H'el can move"

"He's so fast, even i couldnt see him produce this kid from.. from where?"

Since we are finally on a thread about H'el , if you are interested i can start posting scans here?

Its nice to see we share the same view after few long weeks of debating :p

@kingant27: Ultraman and Black Adam fought twice. The first time, Ultraman was amped on kryptonite however the rematch he was not (most of it was off-panel). And for someone who is immune to magic, Ultraman is afraid of the Earth 3 Shazam.

which is PIS

Which brings me to this point. Yes it's arguably PIS but the OP has specified we use this version (which has been used many times on the Battles forum). It's kind of hard not to use this version. Adam was being harmed yet he fought for an entire story and kept on fighting; it's only natural he is harmed given the amount of heroes fighting him, so yes the story did make him much more powerful.

@killemall: Scans of his powers? Sure, I'd love to see them (it's about time I did, they seem very interesting). It is nice that we share the same view ;)

Black Adam was more or less powerful like pre-52 Superman (imo he was a little weaker than him but he could defeat him via magic). However the new-52 superman seems to be stronger than his pre-52 version but H'el has trashed him with no effort while he was fighting also with Supergirl and Superboy.So H'el is stronger than a guy who can easily lift the earth,he can be invisible, he can take punches strong enough to shake the whole planet without being damaged at all AND he can use tp,he can teleport himself or others or even large portion of the area close to him,he can create force fields etc....

So he is physically superior to BA plus he can use a TON of other powers.Sincerely i think this is a stomp.