h'el destroys mj. he is stronger than him and he is probably faster than him too. plus h'el has a stronger telekinesis than superboy,he seems to be a powerful thelepat and then he can teleport himself or other beings.
h'el defeated without effort superman supergirl and superboy...so he is not featless.he really isn't. THIS superman is strong enough to move the earth without breaking a sweat,is a genius and he is massively ftl but he could not do anything against h'el...who is basically a character designed to be more powerfull than any superman-like character.
this superman is phisically equal with mj,but h'el far otuclasses him.to this we can add the fact that h'el has got as many powers as martian manhunter (if not more),such as:telepathy,telekinesis,matter control,ecc..
since captain atom beat up majestic i think h'el would beat him as well
He didn't. First Atom was powered up by Void which makes Spartan on Maj's level. Second after Maj stopped playing around Maj basically stopped the fight against a bloodlusted Atom.@toptom said:
h'el destroys mj. he is stronger than him and he is probably faster than him too. plus h'el has a stronger telekinesis than superboy,he seems to be a powerful thelepat and then he can teleport himself or other beings.
Ok but Maj moved around all the planets not just theoretically but actually. He can superheat something as hot as the sun with his eye beams. Maj is also thousands of times FTL.
@MisterGuyMan: ok ...and then? dcnu superman is strong enough to move the earth while he is prived of sun's light.. and this is not even his maximum strenght,this superman is also massively faster than light (at leat 320 ftl) but he could do not stop(or even annoy) h'el. so ,again ,h'el is far stronger than a guy who can toss a planet around,he is massively ftl too and he has like other 10 powers at his disposal
@CitizenBane: except thaking a punch from superman or a full assault from supergirl withou being damaged at all.
@nvr: Because for some reason people overestimate MJ. He is Superman in Strength and Speed but lacks the better durability feats of Superman. His real benefit is being smarter and having combat skill.
@MisterGuyMan: ok ...and then? dcnu superman is strong enough to move the earth while he is prived of sun's light.. and this is not even his maximum strenght,this superman is also massively faster than light (at leat 320 ftl) but he could do not stop(or even annoy) h'el. so ,again ,h'el is far stronger than a guy who can toss a planet around,he is massively ftl too and he has like other 10 powers at his disposal
@CitizenBane: except thaking a punch from superman or a full assault from supergirl withou being damaged at all.
I know that but that speed still falls short of Majestic who in the same comic flew to the edge of the Milky Way and back making him thousands of times FTL. He also beats Superman's feat of reading medical books when he flew away in the middle of a fight, designed a prototype, redid a prototype then came up with a final version in a tiny fraction of a second, all in time to finish the battle. That's Reed Richards level prep but so fast that it falls under combat speed.
Majestic also has a sword that cuts through anything so punching itself is a bit underpowered in this fight. How is H'el's damage soak? Maj was double stabbed straight through the body with two swords entering from his neck and exiting through his torso. He fell in lava then was fine moments later. So any damage he'd take would heal ridiculously fast too.
@nvr: Because for some reason people overestimate MJ. He is Superman in Strength and Speed but lacks the better durability feats of Superman. His real benefit is being smarter and having combat skill.
He survived a blast that blew up the Earth and the Moon. He was also perfectly fine after a FTL collision with a ship. Then there's the stabbing and lava thing I mentioned above.
Superman took a smack from the AM, and survived being smashed between two exploding galaxy sized super planets. He also survived in a double Black Hole. Superman had the durability feats win here.
@MisterGuyMan: but have you ever read a mj comic? 'cause you seem that you don't know what you are talking about. the speed feat you are pretending to use was achieved via a space-rig and not under mj's powers.
then we have the explosion that destroyed the earth and the moon: mj has not never withstood to a planetary explosion . that blast was meant to send him back in time.mj and spartan said that if it was a failure mj could have died but they were successful .Mj has returned to his universe esactly in the same moment in which he had previusly damaged the timeline. during the blast mj was surrounded by a purple aura ( void's power) and after the explosion he reappared in a better shape than before so we cannot tell even if the blast was affecting him at all ...since he was wearing his cape after the blast,but before it he hasn't got any.
then regard to the molecular machine feat:in the same panel there is writen that it has took to him long secondS of research to built it. however this fight is without prep and mj will not have the time to do anything.but since he is so clever he will try to escape in order to get some help,or tech.
i don't think that the sword is allowed in this fight,but even if it is.. h'el is faster and he can probably even mindrape mj or use his telekinesis to stab him with his sword. he can also teleport mj into the sun (which would kill him). h'el has too many ways to win this,besides even his physical superiority.
@blackadamFTW: he was not trying to help mj at all. that is simply false.
they had 2 fights. in the first mj was koed pretty easily by a powerful blast of CA,in the second fight mj seemed to have the upper hand but CA did not try to blast him twice..and that's the reason we haven't mj losing to him twice.
now i am not saing that captain atom is more powerfull that mj,but if mj can be defeated by guys such as bombard or CA he really has not hope against h'el who is stronger(he bested dcnu supes who is physically on a par with mj and supergirl),faster (also via teleport) and more versatile.
Superman took a smack from the AM, and survived being smashed between two exploding galaxy sized super planets. He also survived in a double Black Hole. Superman had the durability feats win here.
Well for this fight durability won't be that much of an issue considering Maj has a sword that cut through anything.
The points I raised was just to point out that Maj doesn't have durability issues like many people keep assuming. If you want to just take high end feats then Maj survived the absolute zero of the end of the universe. That may not sound that bad but it was enough to kill all life in the universe except for about 6 sentients and the atoms themselves were beginning to decay.
Superman took a smack from the AM, and survived being smashed between two exploding galaxy sized super planets. He also survived in a double Black Hole. Superman had the durability feats win here.
Superman took a smack from the AM, and survived being smashed between two exploding galaxy sized super planets. He also survived in a double Black Hole. Superman had the durability feats win here.
None of that is the same Superman. Superman's also irrelevant, since this is H'el, not Superman.
@MisterGuyMan: but have you ever read a mj comic? 'cause you seem that you don't know what you are talking about. the speed feat you are pretending to use was achieved via a space-rig and not under mj's powers.
Ugh... can you stop with the online posturing? It's a little pathetic TBH. I said it was in the SAME COMIC. Your reference isn't even in the same series let alone the same issue. So yeah implying I don't know anything about Maj just looks terrible on your part when I actually specify the issue and you can't even get that right.
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That's the same issue as the planet moving feat. No glider or anything like that. Just plain old Maj. In case you didn't know, the Milky Way is over 100,000 light years meaning that going from Earth to the beyond any Spiral arm of the galaxy makes him several thousand times FTL.
Now here's the building prep combat speed I was talking about.
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He uses the terms nanoseconds and twelve thousands of a second, so yeah I'd say his combat speed is pretty ridiculous when combat speed is the same as prep time for other characters.
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@blackadamFTW: he was not trying to help mj at all. that is simply false.
they had 2 fights. in the first mj was koed pretty easily by a powerful blast of CA,in the second fight mj seemed to have the upper hand but CA did not try to blast him twice..and that's the reason we haven't mj losing to him twice.
now i am not saing that captain atom is more powerfull that mj,but if mj can be defeated by guys such as bombard or CA he really has not hope against h'el who is stronger(he bested dcnu supes who is physically on a par with mj and supergirl),faster (also via teleport) and more versatile.
First of all Maj was not KOed in the first fight. That's just a flat out lie. Second of all Atom was fused with Void in the entire mini. Spartan, some one who isn't even close to Majestic's class can fight Maj on equal footing when he's fused with Void, so Maj can't possible have a low showing against that kind of pumped up Captain Atom. Atom is close to Superman level and Void pumps up normal street levelers to Maj levels.
THE MAJESTIC AND MMH OVER RATING IS QUITE AMUSING HERE. YOU WOULD THINK THESE GUYS NEVER NEEDED A TEAM, AND COULD TAKE ON BLACK ADAM OR FORTRESS ERADICATOR. OH RIGHT, THEY CAN NOT OUT POWER THEM.
THE MAJESTIC AND MMH OVER RATING IS QUITE AMUSING HERE. YOU WOULD THINK THESE GUYS NEVER NEEDED A TEAM, AND COULD TAKE ON BLACK ADAM OR FORTRESS ERADICATOR. OH RIGHT, THEY CAN NOT OUT POWER THEM.
You must be new to comics. Comics don't always make sense. Hope that helps.
@MisterGuyMan: but have you ever read a mj comic? 'cause you seem that you don't know what you are talking about. the speed feat you are pretending to use was achieved via a space-rig and not under mj's powers.
Ugh... can you stop with the online posturing? It's a little pathetic TBH. I said it was in the SAME COMIC. Your reference isn't even in the same series let alone the same issue. So yeah implying I don't know anything about Maj just looks terrible on your part when I actually specify the issue and you can't even get that right.
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That's the same issue as the planet moving feat. No glider or anything like that. Just plain old Maj. In case you didn't know, the Milky Way is over 100,000 light years meaning that going from Earth to the beyond any Spiral arm of the galaxy makes him several thousand times FTL.
Now here's the building prep combat speed I was talking about.
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He uses the terms nanoseconds and twelve thousands of a second, so yeah I'd say his combat speed is pretty ridiculous when combat speed is the same as prep time for other characters.
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@blackadamFTW: he was not trying to help mj at all. that is simply false.
they had 2 fights. in the first mj was koed pretty easily by a powerful blast of CA,in the second fight mj seemed to have the upper hand but CA did not try to blast him twice..and that's the reason we haven't mj losing to him twice.
now i am not saing that captain atom is more powerfull that mj,but if mj can be defeated by guys such as bombard or CA he really has not hope against h'el who is stronger(he bested dcnu supes who is physically on a par with mj and supergirl),faster (also via teleport) and more versatile.
First of all Maj was not KOed in the first fight. That's just a flat out lie. Second of all Atom was fused with Void in the entire mini. Spartan, some one who isn't even close to Majestic's class can fight Maj on equal footing when he's fused with Void, so Maj can't possible have a low showing against that kind of pumped up Captain Atom. Atom is close to Superman level and Void pumps up normal street levelers to Maj levels.
ok i was wrong i was thinking at another speed feat for mj..but you have not proved something of relevant:you have picked "mr mj #1" in which are condensed all the mj's best feats..that are not matched in any other comics. after that stand alone comic book mj is never been portrayed so powerfull anymore...not even close to be honest. just think at when he needed his tech to follow a starship and to evade it's defenses.
but lets pretend that he is so fast and so powerfull as he has never demostrated to be again (in years): pre 52-superman is still much (and i mean much) more durable than him,almost as strong as him..and probably faster than him since he has flown to the edge of the andromeda galaxy,or from vega to earth in a matter of minutes,or to another star system always in a matter of minutes..or even to the Wall (that is at the end of the universe). all of these feats were achieved under his own power and all of these feats are canon. dcnu superman seems to be stronger than his pre-52 counterpart but he couldn't stand a chanche against h'el even with the help of supergirl..who is also extremely powerful.
ok then..mj was koed by captain atom in their first round.that is far from being a lie..you have to read that comic again. in their second round we haven't a winner. then again CA was never stated to be stronger ( that's a lie btw) though he had a splinter of the void's essence that has made impossible for him to return in his universe.
spartan was merged copletely with the void PLUS with several demonites.
Ok,now the "big" questions:
majestic has never defeated anybody that was at superman level. how majestic is supposed to defeat somebody that is physically stronger than himself and probably faster too?
how he is supposed to defeat a guy who has got more powers than martian manhunter? how can mj overcome h'el's telepathy and telekinesis and matter control?
can mj prevent that h'el will teleport him inside a star or a black hole?
ok i was wrong i was thinking at another speed feat for mj..but you have not proved something of relevant:you have picked "mr mj #1" in which are condensed all the mj's best feats..that are not matched in any other comics. after that stand alone comic book mj is never been portrayed so powerfull anymore...not even close to be honest. just think at when he needed his tech to follow a starship and to evade it's defenses.
but lets pretend that he is so fast and so powerfull as he has never demostrated to be again (in years): pre 52-superman is still much (and i mean much) more durable than him,almost as strong as him..and probably faster than him since he has flown to the edge of the andromeda galaxy,or from vega to earth in a matter of minutes,or to another star system always in a matter of minutes..or even to the Wall (that is at the end of the universe). all of these feats were achieved under his own power and all of these feats are canon. dcnu superman seems to be stronger than his pre-52 counterpart but he couldn't stand a chanche against h'el even with the help of supergirl..who is also extremely powerful.
ok then..mj was koed by captain atom in their first round.that is far from being a lie..you have to read that comic again. in their second round we haven't a winner. then again CA was never stated to be stronger ( that's a lie btw) though he had a splinter of the void's essence that has made impossible for him to return in his universe.
spartan was merged copletely with the void PLUS with several demonites.
Ok,now the "big" questions:
majestic has never defeated anybody that was at superman level. how majestic is supposed to defeat somebody that is physically stronger than himself and probably faster too?
how he is supposed to defeat a guy who has got more powers than martian manhunter? how can mj overcome h'el's telepathy and telekinesis and matter control?
can mj prevent that h'el will teleport him inside a star or a black hole?
1. First you can't throw out a single issue because you don't like the feats. Second, there was no similar crisis where you can say Maj was depowered. Maj fixed Earth's orbit after the Armageddon storyline. In a later comic after the solar system moving, the narrator confirms that the planet mover gloves helped Maj move the nine planets. His ridiculous prep speed in nanoseconds is also outside of that first issue. I also don't see why he SHOULDNT use a space rig if it helps even in the slightest. The unknown ship had tech beyond Kheran tech which makes anything it does potentially impressive in its own right. The text IIRC just mentions how its tracking the ship not that he requires the speed. So yeah even before and after Maj is still plenty impressive. Your problem with Maj is that he doesn't have regular appearances in 5 issues monthly to constantly reconfirm his feats but when he's needed to show his capabilites, he has.
2. Neither Superman nor Supergirl have shown the operational combat speed of Majestic. The nanosecond building speed is ridiculous.
3. No, Maj was not KOed. He was stunned then CA flew away. If you want to prove your point then show a scan of Maj knocked out in that fight. Also everyone that has gained the Void's essence has gained a major power upgrade. Hadrian, even without the alternate universe daemonites was on Maj's level.
4. Maj has survived the complete destruction of all life in the universe. He can also just turn into a Universal which was referenced in other than the one comic he turned into one. Maj is a reality warper at will like when he turned the sun into a binary star. Kheran warlords ascend when their time comes but for Maj this means turning into a Universal. Even beyond that he's the only one we know of that just came back because he 'got over it.'
5. Some other points I missed earlier. Maj survived the explosion of the Earth and Moon WITHOUT being teleported away to safety. You clearly see the Earth and Moon explode. Maj is still there in the next panel. THEN everything turns white.
You're also complaining that Maj hasn't been as powerful outside of one issue (which I pointed out was wrong) but then you're taking everything H'el has done as gospel even though he has few appearances and is still the new guy that's still in the 'show everyone how badass he is' phase of his development.
H'el doesn't have a single durability feat that suggests a punch from Majestic wouldn't kill him on the spot.
Well, Supergirl had her hands inside his chest and that did absolutely nothing to him, so I have to disagree. Physical attacks haven't had any effect on him so far. Plus he was literally ripping Superboy apart with his telekinesis. I think this fight is interesting. People are writing off H'el but I'm impressed with what we've been shown so far.
H'el doesn't have a single durability feat that suggests a punch from Majestic wouldn't kill him on the spot.
Well, Supergirl had her hands inside his chest and that did absolutely nothing to him, so I have to disagree. Physical attacks haven't had any effect on him so far. Plus he was literally ripping Superboy apart with his telekinesis. I think this fight is interesting. People are writing off H'el but I'm impressed with what we've been shown so far.
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They were standing on the surface of the sun in that showing, so it's not exactly a standard showing for either of them. Ripping apart Superboy is nice and all, but he's Superboy.
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