#1 Edited by shenron (899 posts) - - Show Bio

______________battle royal to the death!____________

#2 Posted by shenron (899 posts) - - Show Bio

Shoa Khan has most of the strength and stamina and constitution and giant mallets combined.

Bison has all the awesome dark energy movies from his games that are just so hard to get past

Heihachi is a really awesome enemy, but gets easy to see his moves after a while

Geese his basically Fatal Fury's Bison; I mean It would come down to Bison and Geese though I'm voting for Bison

#3 Posted by terry2012 (5278 posts) - - Show Bio

It comes down to Geese Vs Bison

#4 Posted by ssejllenrad (12847 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm not saying Heihachi wins but here are some feats just so he won't be counted out so easily...

#5 Posted by The_PAIN (720 posts) - - Show Bio

Shoa Khan "You Worthless Pathetic Fool " taunts the rest to death.

#6 Edited by shenron (899 posts) - - Show Bio
#7 Posted by Reptilicus (682 posts) - - Show Bio

Shao Kahn can soul steal. But I don't know how long it takes for him to use some of his other magic, such as turning blood into warriors like Skarlet. Apparently she gets strength from blood...

#8 Posted by shenron (899 posts) - - Show Bio

Each of their main combos are pretty sweet, though Shoa Khan has Fatalities

#9 Edited by shenron (899 posts) - - Show Bio

M.Bison takes the cake and puts on icing with strawberry's and whipped cream and Psycho Crusher all over peoples face (yum,yuuuuum)

#10 Posted by HeraldofGanthet (3556 posts) - - Show Bio

@shenron: M.Bison takes the cake and puts on icing with strawberry's and whipped cream and Psycho Crusher all over peoples face (yum,yuuuuum)

Umm.. There isn't a single move any of these guys have that Geese Howard can't counter, including their Super Special Moves. For that reason (and a few others) he gets my vote.

#11 Posted by reikai (4256 posts) - - Show Bio

Geese is one of the most annoying bosses in fighting games. However, Heihachi has better showings. He took a literal bomb going off in his face, which sent him through the air for miles before crashing into the ground, where he remained unconscious for Two Weeks and didn't die. Then got up, heard someone else was doing a Tekken Tournament, and came back to beat the hell out of people.

The Mishima's are ridiculously resilient. Everyone else will underestimate Heihachi because he looks like an old man, despite the fact Shao Khan is older than any of them. Incidentally though, Heihachi as a fighter is better than all of them. Bison relies mostly on his Psycho Power. Geese relies on...well I think he just relies on being a jerk honestly (never liked him, so that's my opinion). And Khan relies on his strength.

They're all supremely arrogant though. However, only one of them has been dropped down cliffs and mountains, survived explosions, torn though machines like paper mache, and if we include Soul Calibur, has been through time fighting armed individuals, several with mystical weapons, using nothing more than vambrace and his bare skin to deflect blades.

By the end of the month we should know whom Ben&Chad (Death Battle) believes will win between Shao Khan and M. Bison. After that, it's just gonna be between that winner, Heihachi and Geese. And Heihachi will drop Geese pretty hard.

#12 Edited by onilordasmodeus (2545 posts) - - Show Bio

@reikai:

While I agree with a lot of what your saying, I think you are forgeting that Kahn fights against weapon weilding foes all the time who also bring much more to the table. In terms of durability as well, Kahn also had a hole punched completely through him and survived (and mind you this was possible only because Kahn was "forced" to hold back). Of all the fighters here, Kahn is the one with the most combat experience, readily available power, and versatility. None of them can stop a soul steal, and none of them can even compare to Kahn's win record and ability to ensure his plans don't fail.

If they all ganged up 2v1 or 3v1 on Kahn, then I could see one of them having a shot at winning the over all fight, but if Kahn is allowed to fight and absorb each one of them 1 at a time, then Kahn just gets stronger and stronger as the fight goes on. While I think they can all compete with Kahn in terms of pure h2h skill, Kahn's magic makes them look small time. Kahn has no direct equal in this fight.

#13 Posted by shenron (899 posts) - - Show Bio

I have to say Heihachi goes first/ Shoa Khan goes second/ Geese and Bison is to hard to call but i like bison

#14 Edited by Perezite (1432 posts) - - Show Bio

@shenron said:

______________battle royal to the death!____________

Shoa Khan?

#15 Posted by Hyperlight (5936 posts) - - Show Bio

im leaniong towards bison or shao kahn but thats because of the fact that i am ignorant of geese

#16 Posted by reikai (4256 posts) - - Show Bio

@onilordasmodeus: Khan surviving injury is more because the MK-verse never seems to have people die, or stay dead. I mean you look at the opening to Armageddon and people are getting bashed around and impaled, then getting up like nothing happened. Doesn't even have anything to do with durability or damage soak, their world just got that messed up.

As far as Khan's soul steal, yeah it's not something he can just do to people whenever he wants. He still hast to actually defeat them first, weaken them to the point he can remove their souls from their bodies. In which case he may never get the chance to here. And while MK figures do use weapons, it's not that often. They mostly rely on martial art skill and special abilities.

Also, despite Khan's experience, the same of which can be said about Shang Tsung, people of far lesser experience have still defeated them. Goro is several thousand years old and still got taken out by Johnny Cage. Shang Tsung is older still and got dropped by Liu Kang. Even Khan was defeated by Liu. Which brings up the question of; "How many battles did Khan win through skill and how many were from just overpowering his enemies?"

Given Khan is supposed to be a god like Raiden, it's kinda clear he just used his powers more often than his skill. He's not unskilled, but he's just not smart about fighting. Heck in the Armageddon opening scene all he did was swing around his hammer, then get kicked over the edge and snatched up by Onaga. Khan uses brute force over skill too much.

To point out, Bison's psycho power isn't to be underestimated. He's pretty tough and Street Fighter characters are no laughing matter. Akuma did sink an island. And Tekken figures are not without power themselves. Heck, Paul Phoenix did defeat the more human form of Ogre, the God of Fight, before Jin Kazama stepped in to finish off its True Chimeric Form. The one that burned down forests and tore helicopters apart.

Nvm possessors of the Devil Gene like Kazuya and Jin, and despite Heihachi not bearing it himself, is still capable of contending with both of them. As the vid shows above, in their Devil forms they are pretty damned powerful. I just don't see Khan putting out enough force to even really hurt Heihachi, given the things he can take without nary a scratch.

#17 Posted by onilordasmodeus (2545 posts) - - Show Bio

@reikai: Either you've been under a rock the last few years, or you just haven't really paid attention to the last few MK games.

1) The people who got impaled in the MKA intro...died. Nobody "go back up" as they died right there on the spot.

2) Your statement about how Kahn survived that mortal wound is WAY off base as in MK3 he also survived his fight with Liu Kang but at that time Quan Chi wasn't there speed up his recovery. Kahn can survive wounds like that and recover under his own power. He did so between the end of MK3 and the beginning of MK5.

The fact that you even brought up points 1&2, yet you stand by Heihachi surviving a bomb at point blank range (with no explanation other that he's just that tough) is puzzling. Kahn has magic and the fact that he isn't human on his side to explain away why he can do something like that, what makes Heihachi so tough?

...other the plot armor.

3) Kahn and Shang can both soul steal a person without weakening them. The best example of this is how in MK3, Kahn killed humanity (save for those protected by Raiden) by taking all the billions of souls of Earth off top. No fighting, no weakening. Kahn's powers are just that potent. The only reason Kahn doesn't do it in the tournaments is be cause it is against the rules...and those rules don't apply here.

4) Many MK character carry weapons in combat ALWAYS.

  • Kahn - Hammer;
  • Scorpion - Dual Swords;
  • Kabal - Hook-blades;
  • Kung Lao's hat;
  • Jade - Staff;

and they all have shown to be extremely lethal with them. The ones list above are just a few of many, and many more just manifest weapons on the fly and use them in combat as well (see any MK game from MK3 on). The notion that Kahn doesn't engage in weapons based duels is ridiculous.

5) The Idea that Kahn isn't that skilled is also ridiculous. Canonically Liu was the only person in Kahn's 10,000+ year reign you could even touch him in terms of skill, and that includes Raiden himself as well.

Liu was trained by the best fighters in Earthrealm, studied under Bo Rai Cho who himself was thousands of years old at the time as saw MUCH combat, then was mentored by Raiden, an Eternal God. Liu Kang's whole purpose in life was to train for the MK tournament, and the entire purpose of his teachers was to hone him to the point where he could not fail. To say that Liu Kang was inexperienced is discounting MK lore and trying to rewrite facts.

The bottom line about Kahn is he was only defeated once in kombat, and that was by Liu Kang. After that lose he regrouped, and fought his way to being the last man standing at the end of Armageddon, meaning he beat/out skilled/out fought EVERYONE who took part in that fight. Kahn in the second most skilled fighter in the MKU behind Liu Kang.

Also, Movies aren't canon, so why bring up JC beating Goro? Especially when JC had prep and the element of surprise in that movie.

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My questions to you:

With Bison you bring up his Phycho power, and how it and he are no laughing matter, but what example of his power is so great that it could even be put in the same league a Kahn? You bring up Akuma and his power (enough to sink an island) and Bison couldn't beat him. Kahn can affect whole planets with his power...how can Bison contend with that?

Yes many Tekken characters are very strong; yes Jin and Kazuya are monsters both in and out of their Devil forms; yes Paul beat a non-transformed Ogre; and yes their are many other characters in that series who have done extraordinary things. What has Heihachi done to elevate himself beyond all others in his series, that would even put him in the same category with Kahn in terms of power? The bottom line is that Heihachi is very strong physically, and can hang with both Jin and Kazuya when they are not transformed (not fighting to their full potential), but all in all Heihachi is just a man (a very, very tough man)...and those guys are straight monsters...while Kahn is God-like.

#18 Posted by HeraldofGanthet (3556 posts) - - Show Bio

@reikai:

As a Fatal Fury/King of Fighters fan from way back to the arcade days, I can understand your frustration about (at least playing against) Geese lol! But his Dark Application of the Kyokusakken-Ryuu fighting style should not be casually overlooked here as he does possess the skill set and indeed the power necessary to make any one of these guys nervous or even defeat them. Outside of his Chi-based powers (which are actually quite large), he's also a aeriokinetic potent enough to both give Joe Higashi pause and convince Rugal himself to incorporate Chi-based Wind based attacks into his own impressive repetoire of moves that he's gathered throughout the centuries. Liu Kang was able to defeat Shao Khan with great effort, and Geese would destroy Liu in a h2h situation. All of these guys have a shot here, so don't think that i'm saying Geese sweeps this with no problem. I'm not saying that at all. But outside of just being powerful, he's a master manipulator. There is'nt one move any of these guys have that he can't effortlessly dispatch, deflect, or reverse (Psycho Crushers and all). He'd see that Heihachi is a tough old man with good durability, but also no long ranged attack options. That WILL cost him here. Especially against this bunch. Geese could counter all day without breaking much of a sweat, rope-a-doping any and all who throw an attack his way and retaliate with extreme prejudice if necessary. Not to mention that outside of Shao Khan, Geese has a "Fatality" in his own right in the form of the "Deadly Rave" attack. Getting hit with that thing was the ultimate "Oh my God! Please make it stop!!" move before Killer Instinct invented the "Ultra Combo", and Capcom invented the equally lifebar-draining "Shungokusatsu" or "Raging Demon" attack used by Akuma/Evil Ryu. He's got a real shot a taking the belt in this Fatal 4 Way, mon ami. Come to think of it, I should go to that old school arcade across town and blow through a few dozen tokens just for old times sake....

#19 Posted by reikai (4256 posts) - - Show Bio

@reikai: Either you've been under a rock the last few years, or you just haven't really paid attention to the last few MK games.

1) The people who got impaled in the MKA intro...died. Nobody "go back up" as they died right there on the spot.


1:23 Baraka gets stabbed in the middle of the chest. Wound otherwise fatal. Simply flips back and shoots a bolt at Kung Lao like nothing happened. Li Mei was impaled earlier on on Motaru's spear. Yet appears still alive later. Both Kenshi and Sheeva appear to be run through with blades, but end up still alive later. And Liu Kang is a zombie.

Nobody dies or stays dead long in MK. That's just a fact. Also, Shao Khan was a pretty crappy fighter in that opening cinematic. All he did was still his hammer around to knock people away. You'd think a guy who could "take the souls of all of Earth Realm" would've done that to everyone there instead of get kicked away and dragged off by Onaga.

The fact that you even brought up points 1&2, yet you stand by Heihachi surviving a bomb at point blank range (with no explanation other that he's just that tough) is puzzling. Kahn has magic and the fact that he isn't human on his side to explain away why he can do something like that, what makes Heihachi so tough?

...other the plot armor.

Actually already explained that. Tekken fighters do use chi. The majority don't use it offensively like in MK or Street Fighter in some outward blast. Instead bodies are toughened, faster reflexes and more powerful strikes. Which actually fits more with the Martial Arts genre than shooting fire. Do you remember tales of disciplines enabling monks to make their skin like iron? Spears bend against them and leave no marks.

That's what this is based upon. Tekken fighters bring themselves to a super-human degree through training and the study of their martial art, most of which include the chi that exists within all living bodies. Heihachi's more prominantly having visual effect with some of his blows as an electrical discharge around his forearm.

There is also the fact that the Mishima bloodline is not normal. Jinpachi is more than 100yrs old and completely corrupted by the Devil Gene. All the explosion did that decimated the castle was wake him up from being sealed below by Heihachi many years earlier. Plus, if you did get into Soul Calibur 2, Heihachi's best 'weapon' is the "Tekken", which is just his bare skin and no vambrace, and explains that he uses his chi to make his skin harder than steel.

3) Kahn and Shang can both soul steal a person without weakening them. The best example of this is how in MK3, Kahn killed humanity (save for those protected by Raiden) by taking all the billions of souls of Earth off top. No fighting, no weakening. Kahn's powers are just that potent. The only reason Kahn doesn't do it in the tournaments is be cause it is against the rules...and those rules don't apply here.

They didn't apply in Armageddon either, he still couldn't do it. It wasn't a tournament anymore, it was a straight up war. And we're also aware Khan isn't allowed to take the souls of Earth Realm without winning the tournament first. Which means he either;

A: Breaking the rules.

B: Used an object/artifact to enable him to do so

Given that such objects exist, like the Amulet Quan-Chi used to escape the Nether Realm that Onaga took to make himself invincible, or the Medallion that Sub-Zero had that augmented his powers, then can you really claim Shao Khan could do that without something else powering him up? Can't claim "The rules prevented him" if he was already prepared to break the rules before. Which also doesn't explain why in MK3 there were still people walking the streets and driving cars. in several of the stages.

4) Many MK character carry weapons in combat ALWAYS.

And as we've seen, most of them aren't that effective. And what we've seen in Tekken is a 400+lb fatman by the name of Bob dodging bullets effortlessly. Only guy I saw with any kind of speed in MK was Kabal, and I think Panda beats him in that area too.

Tekken figures with weapons; Yoshimitsu, Kurimitsu, Raven, Alisa, Nina and Anna (they're assassins and often have weapons with them like knives and rockets), every Jack (especially Gun-Jack), Lei Wulong (he's a cop, he has a gun), NANCY (she's a robot with an arsenal), along with others. Heihachi even shot Jin in the head with a 9mm in Tekken 3 and has been seen with dual katanas on his hip (though never used them cause, why would he need to when his fist is a thousand times more deadly?).

5) The Idea that Kahn isn't that skilled is also ridiculous. Canonically Liu was the only person in Kahn's 10,000+ year reign you could even touch him in terms of skill, and that includes Raiden himself as well.

That doesn't say much of anything. It just means that in ten millennia, all the people he fought were less skilled and weaker than a 20yr old still upset about the loss of his brother. As far as Tekken is concerned, the only people who're even strong enough to compete with Heihachi are his own son and grandson. Everyone else gets stomped down like a kid jumping on bubble wrap.

Liu was trained by the best fighters in Earthrealm, studied under Bo Rai Cho who himself was thousands of years old at the time as saw MUCH combat, then was mentored by Raiden, an Eternal God. Liu Kang's whole purpose in life was to train for the MK tournament, and the entire purpose of his teachers was to hone him to the point where he could not fail. To say that Liu Kang was inexperienced is discounting MK lore and trying to rewrite facts.

Not saying Liu is unskilled. I'm saying he doesn't have 1/500th of the experience Shao Khan has and still beat him. But then Shang Tsung and Quan-Chi double-teamed him and murdered him. Just like they teamed up and beat Raiden too, before Onaga strolled in and trounced them. And then gets beat by Scorpion juiced up by the Elder Gods after Shujinko fails to get the job done.

The bottom line about Kahn is he was only defeated once in kombat, and that was by Liu Kang. After that lose he regrouped, and fought his way to being the last man standing at the end of Armageddon, meaning he beat/out skilled/out fought EVERYONE who took part in that fight. Kahn in the second most skilled fighter in the MKU behind Liu Kang.

Judging from the opening scene, he didn't outskill anyone. He just swing his hammer around and knocked them away. And he's pretty damn slow with the hammer. Khan got kicked, staggered, then grabbed by Onaga where he crapped his pants as the Dragon King tore off with him.

With Bison you bring up his Phycho power, and how it and he are no laughing matter, but what example of his power is so great that it could even be put in the same league a Kahn? You bring up Akuma and his power (enough to sink an island) and Bison couldn't beat him. Kahn can affect whole planets with his power...how can Bison contend with that?

You exaggerate Khan's ability greatly. Already explained why. And Bison has shown teleporting with his power, including flight and levitation. More often than not both Ken and Ryu are seen coming at him together and getting hurt up pretty bad. Perhaps the only ones to ever even best Bison were Ryu, Guile (with a lot of PIS) and Akuma.

The bottom line is that Heihachi is very strong physically, and can hang with both Jin and Kazuya when they are not transformed (not fighting to their full potential), but all in all Heihachi is just a man (a very, very tough man)...and those guys are straight monsters...while Kahn is God-like.

Heihachi is a monster through and through. The fact is, the entire Mishima family are the top fighters in Tekken at all times. The strength and ability of other fighters just don't measure up, not even the ridiculous strength of Bryan and the Jack robots are competition for them. As seen, Kazuya and Heihachi were shattering Jack-4's apart like nothing, and these are very powerful machines.

In fact it reminds me a bit of the Tekken Animated feature film back in the late 90's when Jack-2 is trying to get on the boat to get to the island with Jane to find the doctor to save her. One of Lee's fighters throws a punch into Jack's abdomen, and breaks his fist. Jack then punches him in the face, cracking his skull, and sending him hurtling into the water. Lee shrugs his shoulders and lets'em onboard.

Loved that movie. Kazuya killing the Alex's with his bare hands, Heihachi catching at the hatchet thrown at him by Michelle with his teeth and breaking it apart by biting down on the blade before spitting out a shard. And Jack-2 beating and tearing apart a bunch of Prototype-Jacks with sawblades in their arms. Those were good times.

Anyway, all you've said is Shao Khan (off screen mind you) took the souls of nameless fodder, not the fighters because of mysterious, unexplained protection by Raiden. I don't see relevance here since he couldn't do this during any of the fights themselves and the 'against the rules' remark is just bull since he was clearly breaking the rules before so why let'em stop him later on?

On a physical level, Heihachi is the strongest guy here. And as far as On-Screen Cinematics have shown, he's also a better fighter out of them all.

#20 Edited by xlab3000 (3292 posts) - - Show Bio

Shao Kahn

#21 Posted by Master_Speed (28 posts) - - Show Bio

What the hell?

#22 Posted by Master_Speed (28 posts) - - Show Bio

Shao Kahn takes this even without directly absorbing souls. I'll explain if it is not clear. reikai's certain explanations are just ridiculous.

#23 Posted by Nelomaxwell (10550 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm sorry I love SNK I don't see Gesse taking this. He may make it into the last three but taking this nah. I'd have to give it to either Shao Khan or Hiehachi . If this was H2H purely it would be Gesse vs Hiehachi all day with a 5/10 chance for both of them to win.