Hawkman vs Thor

Thor.

You have to prove what you claimed. Do you deny this?

What is it you think I need to prove? If it's that the Claw of Horus can hit like a planet, I cant because that's just dialog from HM. But, I still fail to see how that's relevant to the question that we're discussing. You seem to want to keep bringing other topics into this to distract from the question at hand.

YOU compared surviving a supernova to being knocked out by a moon. All I said was that they are two different things, and that you cant tell what "surviving a supernova" even means because you dont know anything about it. So YOU have to back up your claim.

Again, you seem to be confused and bringing in irrelevant arguments into this. Do you think that if you just bring up enough different things into this that you'll just win by default when I get tired of replying to you??

we all know this isn't exactly fair for Carter, let's just leave it at that...Thor blasts him for the easy KO

@willpayton: Condescending and arrogant? You have Internet genius down pat. My point was very clear yet somehow lost on you. The amount of force exerted by an exploding star is greater than the amount of force a planet could exert no matter the circumstances. Superman survived a supermove while he was being weakened by red sun radiation. So it stands to reason that him being knocked out by a planet punch, so to speak, is illogical and nonsense. And why do I have to prove anything when you refuse to do so? You have proved absolutely nothing. You have produced zero scans and all you've down is lowball the scans I have posted with out any sound argument. Let me spell it out as clearly as I can. YOU say hawkman has a chance of beating Thor. I say that he has ZERO chance. I back up this claim by saying hawkman could not hurt Thor. You bring up superman being knocked out by a "planet punch" I then present scams of superman surviving things that would have a much greater damage output than a planet punch. You then ask for ridiculous things that don't exist for any feat for any character in any comic. When I do the same to you you pretend to be oblivious of why I did it. I refuse to believe you really cant connect those dots. You're choosing to ignore things that have relevance. And I'll remind you I have only responded to you. So get "bored" responding to me if you please just remember YOU brought this up. YOU brought up the planet punch. YOU asked for ridiculous amounts of evidence. And when I asked the same of you you ignore the requests...so please. Explain to me like I'm a 4 year old how hawkman could hope to hurt either superman or Thor.

You really just refuse to actually listen to what I'm telling you. The bolded statement above is nonsense. I already even gave a perfect example to illustrate this, which I guess you ignored. So, one more time: We survive supernovas all the time. This is because the "amount of force exerted" by that supernova on us is basically zero. But, the amount of force exerted by the Earth on us is not close to zero. In this case, the Earth has significantly more impact on us than a supernovae millions of light years from us. In other words, your statement is clearly false.

If you cant understand that then there's no point in discussing this further. You're just bent on ignoring what I said and then trying to insult me. It's not arrogance on my part, it's just a difficulty in having to deal with your inability to listen and reason.

Thor.

@willpayton:

That punch is the most out of context scan and overused scan next to the machine gun one -.- I've never seen the follow up pages to that, and (obviously) superman and batman won that fight. This is also the same superman that could take normal planetary explosions like a champ. There's nowhere I've seen that says anything about the actual result of the punch.

The odds of it KOing Supes are very slim, and it's probably not gonna KO thor in one hit either.

I'd think getting hit by Mjolnir would be worse then getting hit by the claw of Horus.

At the end of the day, I don't think Hawkman brings anything to the table that really worries Thor.

Yes, obviously Superman and Batman won the fight...

That was just a story Pa Kent was telling Martha to reassure her that Superman was going to be okay during the whole Zod invasion thing. It didn't really happen. I'm not sure if it would really count as PIS compared to the other examples you gave even if it did happen, since I believe it was written after them. You can't really expect Loeb or Starlin to take into account something that hadn't been written yet (I'm also pretty sure Superman was saved from the two planets by the Source and Orion).

people are obviously wanking the Claw firstly

Superman only pretended to lose as part of a plan to get into the White house

Also if you take it literally the claw is a magical weapon and hence could hurt Superman anyway

That has no bearing on Thor who can one shot Hawk

Thor

Thor stomps

Thor wins. It's not a cake walk but not his hardest fight either

Thor one shots him with no effort. Mismatch of the highest order lol.

@retconcrisis: The healing factor isnt new to Nu52. Has been the case for some time. the only upgrade in the Nu52 is the ability of Nth metal to change form at the will of the wearer turning it into full body armor.

In fact pre flashpoint Nth metal has properties that with the right user make them a reality warper. Hawkman however isnt the right user

Thor.

Since the Hawkman fans have provided nothing truly worth this fight.besides.a.highly disputably claw. I give this to Thor. On the super nova scan superman was basically human thanks to the red sun so him surviving means it powered him.up. but it has been shown that superman has tanked a hit.with.the.force of 15 super nova's.

@willpayton: Ssriously? Pick out one area where I insulted you. And what YOU are ignoring is that...nevermind. You won't listen anyway.

Thor.

Thor.

This is a mismatch.

Thor walks all over Hawkman.

In new 52 doesn't hawkman have a new form that makes him even stronger? It's like red and green or something. It was in the last issue of hawkman I believe. He knocked blockbuster into orbit and that was regular hawkman at the time. His durability has always been high and he has a huge tolerance for pain. The dude is a stone cold warrior. He looove to battle. Thor with morals on will not be as brutal. And with the claw of Horus he can hit even harder. With the force of a planet I believe. That is enough to damage Thor. Also I thing the hawk is faster. Now Thor does has the weather manipulation and overall more versatile but this isn't gonna be a stomp for either character here.

VERY CLOSE AND CONTESTED BATTLE. Hawkman with the Claw of H is a threat for any heavy hitter like Thor. It's a toss up.

Thor WINS

@sog7dc:

Explain to me like I'm a 4 year old how hawkman could hope to hurt either superman or Thor.

That won't be necessary. I'll talk to you like an adult. My guess is that you'll enjoy that much better than the alternative! See my answer below for more details!

@ancient_0f_days:

we all know this isn't exactly fair for Carter, let's just leave it at that...Thor blasts him for the easy KO

I see Hawkman doing at least as well as "brainwashed" Wolverine did. Perhaps better considering that Wolverine's razor sharp super-metal weapons (Adamantium in his case) isn't any where near as effective against mystical targets as Hawkman's razor sharp super-metal weapons (Nth Metal in his case). Hawkman is also much stronger that Logan, so it stands to reason that his strength combined with his speed and skill level with such weapons could do even more damage than our favorite Canuck did.

Final verdict:

Thor 5 or 6/10 (only if he takes Hawkman seriously)

Thor 4 or 5/10 (if he doesn't think Hawkman's weapons are strong enough to pierce his skin)

Remember, Carter's no fool. He's an archaeologist who's been around long enough to have seen both the rise AND the fall of the Norse Empire. If he sees some guy wearing Nordic Battle Armor, wielding a Norse Battle Hammer, speaking with "thus" and "thou", and calling himself Thor, he's going to come to one of two conclusions: 1.) This dude's delusional and he needs to be put out of his misery. Or 2.) This is Thor of The Aesir, and I will suffer for any mistakes I make here. Thus killshot after nasty killshot until Thor does something to make some breathing room for himself. Though a ground pound shockwave attack won't be nearly as effective against Hawkman (who can fly) as it was against Wolverine (who can't).

@willpayton: The entire point of the comic is that they won that fight via tricking the other two so they could get close to luthor. They are shown in the next scene having replaced the two...

@willpayton: Not surprsied you made this thread. This is an obvious mismatch/spite. I'm surprised it made more than one page.

Thor wins with his trustee hammer Mjonir.

@heraldofganthet: Wolverine was only able to surprise Thor for a second until he got into the air and blasted him...I don't think Carter can survive that.

@beatboks1: I know he's always had a healing factor. It's just that his newly improved HF in the New 52 would be something that would be good against Thor. Besides that I don't see Carter beating him.

Thor

Hawkman FTW

Thor

Thor.

The Odinson.

Now first I'm not saying for a moment that Thor wont win, but I think it pertinent to address some of these issues. Nth metal is actually a very good defense against most of these attacks. Good enough that while HM will loose it will be after a long hard fought battle.

Nth metal aside form countering (and with enough knowledge and enough of it allow control of) Gravity, also grants the wearer enhanced strength ( no where near Thor at 5 tons), Healing factor ( easily close to Logan), enhanced senses, it also has other properties that allow someone with enough knowledge on it and enough of it to control the four forces of nature ( HM doesn't have enough of either though in the Rann Thanagar war he started to gain some of that knowledge)

Blunt force Durability

Due to HF being a 100+ tonner is no guarantee of being able to put HM down. As shown by WWIII BA's attempt here.

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Several pages of BA pummeling him didn't put him down. Not when he had a wall crushed on him, Throwing him from a height above the surrounding skyscrapers straight though an engine block (crushing a car). None of these things put HM down for the count.

Energy Durability

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Nth metal actually disrupts energy. I couldn't find the page after the second scan to show HM not harmed ( will look again alter). Lightning simply wont do jack to anyone wearing nth metal.

Healing factor

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In the last one his neck and major artery were cut and he was almost dead while not wearing his nth metal. the metal is placed on him and in seconds he is up and talking.

Then there are the anti magic capabilities of nth metal

The metal also makes strikes made with it vastly more devastating than the strength of the one wielding the metal

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The reason that the Claw of Horus "strikes with the force of a planet" is that it's the purest piece of nth metal known to exist forged a particular way to take full advantage of the metals properties.

I can go on to show how others like Ominar Synn can use Nth metal to be virtual reality warpers but there isn't a point because Carter can't do that.

Can he defeat Thor, absolutely no, he can however make a battle last last long as he sees fit which against powerhouses is what he normally does.

@beatboks1: So the moral of the story, is that Hawkman stalls his inevitable death for an extra 5 minutes? Cool. ;p

I agree with sync1. Thanks for the info on Hawkman. While it was interesting, it doesn't change the fact that Thor wins the vast majority. and i know you were not trying to refute that. Thanks

He wont be killed as long as Nth metal is on him due to the HF it provides. I'm not sure why all the talk on the thread about Nu52 HF because it's exactly the same if not below pre 52. He also has incredible durability to heat and temperatures from nth metal (as far back as the SA can survive deep space with nothing more than a breather and Nth metal to cope with temps).

Thor.

@pooty: i'll absolutely the thunder God will win 10 minutes into the fight HM while healing will be suffering quite a bit of damage and looking for a way to retreat

Hawkman got oneshotted by Wonder Woman, what chance he has against Thor?

That's Nu52 Hawkman and WW was possesses/blood raged by Pandora's box. OP says pre 52 HM. Pre 52 HM has struck pre 52 WW and caused her pain ( which frankly is PIS, but whatever)

@beatboks1: The Claw of Horus suppose to hurt the likes of Superman so that makes sense. Either way, Thor would beat Hawkman quite badly. The only ways I see Hawkman winning is by ambush or staying agile.

Why is everyone saying Thor stomps, I agree thor wins but this isn't a stomp

@godzilla44: Thor is

1. Stronger

2. More Durable

3. More Popular

@jacthripper: I know that, that's I said he wins but he doesn't stomp