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#1 Posted by WillPayton (9033 posts) - - Show Bio

Hawkman (pre-52) w/ Nth Metal armor and axe, plus Claw of Horus

vs

Thor

Random encounter. Win by KO or death.

#2 Edited by jashro44 (19149 posts) - - Show Bio

From what I know of hawkman I would say thor takes this.

#4 Posted by hulk_post_absolute_power (291 posts) - - Show Bio

THOR GOD OF THUNDER for the win. And I'll need to see some impressive feats to change my mind on that

#5 Edited by those_eyes (4742 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44: I had no prior knowledge of the claw of Horus. It said it is powerful enough to ko superman with one punch. So........Hawkman murderstomps thor!!!! Stomp stomp!!!!!

#6 Posted by jashro44 (19149 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44: I had no prior knowledge of the claw of Horus. It said it is powerful enough to ko superman with one punch. So........Hawkman murderstomps thor!!!! Stomp stomp!!!!!

Superman wasn't knocked out. He was faking. It does hit with the force of a planet though all though considering thors recent showing against gorr not sure thats a big deal.

"We let them think they did"

#7 Edited by ForeverEvil (4788 posts) - - Show Bio

hawkmans out of his league. thor wins

#8 Posted by WillPayton (9033 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44: I had no prior knowledge of the claw of Horus. It said it is powerful enough to ko superman with one punch. So........Hawkman murderstomps thor!!!! Stomp stomp!!!!!

Well... this happened:

#9 Edited by those_eyes (4742 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44: alright then I'm convinced Thor will take this.

#10 Edited by dondave (33365 posts) - - Show Bio

Thor

#11 Posted by ForeverEvil (4788 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44 said:
@those_eyes said:

@jashro44: I had no prior knowledge of the claw of Horus. It said it is powerful enough to ko superman with one punch. So........Hawkman murderstomps thor!!!! Stomp stomp!!!!!

Superman wasn't knocked out. He was faking. It does hit with the force of a planet though all though considering thors recent showing against gorr not sure thats a big deal.

"We let them think they did"

the scan doesnt say that it didnt KO him. it says that they let them think they captured them. cause what they wanted was to be brought to luthor.

#12 Edited by jashro44 (19149 posts) - - Show Bio

@foreverevil: Right they let hawkman and captain marvel capture them....By pretending to be knocked out. I doubt captain marvel and hawkman would believe that batman and superman would give up while they are conscious.They had to be "knocked out" if captain marvel and hawkman were to believe they won.

And I find it a little convent that they would use the castling strategy, lose, and then superman would summarize how he faked defeat and then mention castling. He was likely faking.

#13 Posted by oceanmaster21 (7621 posts) - - Show Bio

thor

#14 Edited by ForeverEvil (4788 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44 said:

@foreverevil: Right they let hawkman and captain marvel capture them....By pretending to be knocked out. I doubt captain marvel and hawkman would believe that batman and superman would give up while they are conscious.They had to be "knocked out" if captain marvel and hawkman were to believe they won.

And I find it a little convent that they would use the castling strategy, lose, and then superman would summarize how he faked defeat and then mention castling. He was likely faking.

im just using the scans YOU posted. says so right there. never does it say that they werent KOd. for all we know he was indeed KOd and let himself get hit by the claw so that they could go on with their plans

#15 Posted by pooty (10736 posts) - - Show Bio

Even if Hawkman can hit hard enough to KO him, I think Thor can hit hard enough to KO hawkman. I think Thor durability is above HM. Not sure

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#16 Edited by WillPayton (9033 posts) - - Show Bio

@pooty said:

Even if Hawkman can hit hard enough to KO him, I think Thor can hit hard enough to KO hawkman. I think Thor durability is above HM. Not sure

What would be the effect of Thor trying to hit someone who's wearing armor made of Nth Metal, which has anti-magic properties?

#17 Posted by homicidalmaniac (6440 posts) - - Show Bio

Thor

#18 Posted by jashro44 (19149 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44 said:

@foreverevil: Right they let hawkman and captain marvel capture them....By pretending to be knocked out. I doubt captain marvel and hawkman would believe that batman and superman would give up while they are conscious.They had to be "knocked out" if captain marvel and hawkman were to believe they won.

And I find it a little convent that they would use the castling strategy, lose, and then superman would summarize how he faked defeat and then mention castling. He was likely faking.

im just using the scans YOU posted. says so right there. never does it say that they werent KOd. for all we know he was indeed KOd and let himself get hit by the claw so that they could go on with their plans

And you don't know this for sure. That is speculation on your part. We know that it was there plan to lose the fight and that they were faking defeat. This at best proves its unquantifiable meaning we still can't say he was knocked out.

#19 Posted by GhostRavage (8237 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44 said:

From what I know of hawkman I would say thor takes this.

This one suits me as well.

#20 Posted by pooty (10736 posts) - - Show Bio

@pooty said:

Even if Hawkman can hit hard enough to KO him, I think Thor can hit hard enough to KO hawkman. I think Thor durability is above HM. Not sure

What would be the effect of Thor trying to hit someone who's wearing armor made of Nth Metal, which has anti-magic properties?

IMO, Thor's strength is not magic. it's his physiology that gives him strength. So I think Thor would still be hitting with class 100+ strength. If Thor hit him with lightning, it would hurt like regular lightning, without the magic effect it normally has. Add that to Thor's weather control and I think Thor takes this 8/10

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#21 Posted by Baron_von_Santa (4271 posts) - - Show Bio

Thor wins

#22 Edited by ForeverEvil (4788 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44 said:
@foreverevil said:
@jashro44 said:

@foreverevil: Right they let hawkman and captain marvel capture them....By pretending to be knocked out. I doubt captain marvel and hawkman would believe that batman and superman would give up while they are conscious.They had to be "knocked out" if captain marvel and hawkman were to believe they won.

And I find it a little convent that they would use the castling strategy, lose, and then superman would summarize how he faked defeat and then mention castling. He was likely faking.

im just using the scans YOU posted. says so right there. never does it say that they werent KOd. for all we know he was indeed KOd and let himself get hit by the claw so that they could go on with their plans

And you don't know this for sure. That is speculation on your part. We know that it was there plan to lose the fight and that they were faking defeat. This at best proves its unquantifiable meaning we still can't say he was knocked out.

ill agree to that. but same goes for saying he was NOT KO'd. we dont know.

#23 Posted by patrat18 (8441 posts) - - Show Bio

Thor still takes the win.

#24 Posted by PowerHerc (80692 posts) - - Show Bio

Thor stomps.

#25 Edited by WillPayton (9033 posts) - - Show Bio

Ok, looks like Thor has this one. I'll have to put up someone different against Hawkman, even if he has the Claw.

#26 Posted by SOG7dc (6713 posts) - - Show Bio

Thor mega stomps. its not even close. The Court of Asgard is having fried Hawk for dinner tonight

#27 Posted by Thanofleeze (2395 posts) - - Show Bio

@sog7dc said:

Thor mega stomps. its not even close. The Court of Asgard is having fried Hawk for dinner tonight

That's racist.

#28 Posted by The_Red_Viper (4167 posts) - - Show Bio

@sog7dc said:

Thor mega stomps. its not even close. The Court of Asgard is having fried Hawk for dinner tonight

Fried Hawk? Volstaag solos =P

#29 Posted by RetconCrisis (3315 posts) - - Show Bio

Hawkman can win IF he gets his New 52 healing factor.

#30 Posted by homicidalmaniac (6440 posts) - - Show Bio
#31 Posted by comic_book_fan (5184 posts) - - Show Bio

@foreverevil:

it's not faking if you are really knocked out you have no ideal how long you will be out that would be a stupid plan to really let hawkman knock him out because he might not have ever woken but he happened to wake up just in time to pull of this plan if he was really unconscious that would be some big luck. I think it is obvious that they faked being knocked out.

#32 Edited by ForeverEvil (4788 posts) - - Show Bio

@foreverevil:

it's not faking if you are really knocked out you have no ideal how long you will be out that would be a stupid plan to really let hawkman knock him out because he might not have ever woken but he happened to wake up just in time to pull of this plan if he was really unconscious that would be some big luck. I think it is obvious that they faked being knocked out.

lol only that was their plan. to get taken to luthor. besides, its comics. all we know is whats said in the scan. and like i said. its inconclusive. all we know is that the claw of horus hit him with the power of the earth and then after that we arent sure if he really was KOd or not.

#33 Edited by WillPayton (9033 posts) - - Show Bio

@sog7dc said:

Thor mega stomps. its not even close. The Court of Asgard is having fried Hawk for dinner tonight

How is this "not even close"? Hawkman has literally thousands of years of experience as a warrior, and the Nth Metal gives him enhanced strength, endurance, reaction time, and regeneration. The Claw of Horus allows him to hit with insane power, enough to KO Superman. (yes, it's enough... remember that Superman has been KO'ed by flying into a moon before)

Thor is not a speedster like Superman, and the Nth Metal enhancements should allow HM to see the attacks coming.

#34 Posted by RetconCrisis (3315 posts) - - Show Bio

@retconcrisis: How good is Hawkman HF in the New 52

First Healing Factor Feat:

Hawkman can concentrate energy blasts in his strikes so that in addition to cutting them with the Nth Blade he also burns them as well.

In one panel, he was cut by a sword in the shoulder, but completely heals a panel or two later.

Also, it is stated that he is almost impervious to pain in JLn52.

Completely burned in the entirety of his body, but fully recovers with a few red spots. His healing factor is subconsciously automatic

Nth Metal shields him from a point blank energy blast from Thanagarian weaponry

Stated to have almost punched Blockbuster out of orbit

Taking punches from Aquaman (A 75-100+ tonner)...
...And then takes on Wonder Woman

One-shotting Shazam

#35 Posted by SOG7dc (6713 posts) - - Show Bio

@sog7dc said:

Thor mega stomps. its not even close. The Court of Asgard is having fried Hawk for dinner tonight

How is this "not even close"? Hawkman has literally thousands of years of experience as a warrior, and the Nth Metal gives him enhanced strength, endurance, reaction time, and regeneration. The Claw of Horus allows him to hit with insane power, enough to KO Superman. (yes, it's enough... remember that Superman has been KO'ed by flying into a moon before)

Thor is not a speedster like Superman, and the Nth Metal enhancements should allow HM to see the attacks coming.

dude Thor is on another levelthan hawkman. and i would argue that the moon knockout and the hawkman punch knockout where both PIS because superman has survived a supernova. ill grant that hawkman will have a speed advantage but i doubt its enough to totally outclass thor the way supes does. hawkman probably lands oe good punch with the horus before thor smacks him with mjolnir and hawkman doesnt have tat kind of durability unless im missing something

#36 Posted by charlieboy (7150 posts) - - Show Bio

I think Thor can win this.

#37 Posted by WillPayton (9033 posts) - - Show Bio

@sog7dc said:

and i would argue that the moon knockout and the hawkman punch knockout where both PIS because superman has survived a supernova.

Those are two completely different things. You cant say that surviving one has anything to do with the other.

Also, I'm not sure you know what PIS means. PIS is when characters do something stupid or out of character for the sake of the plot, not when something happens that you dont like.

#38 Posted by ForeverEvil (4788 posts) - - Show Bio

@sog7dc said:
@willpayton said:
@sog7dc said:

Thor mega stomps. its not even close. The Court of Asgard is having fried Hawk for dinner tonight

How is this "not even close"? Hawkman has literally thousands of years of experience as a warrior, and the Nth Metal gives him enhanced strength, endurance, reaction time, and regeneration. The Claw of Horus allows him to hit with insane power, enough to KO Superman. (yes, it's enough... remember that Superman has been KO'ed by flying into a moon before)

Thor is not a speedster like Superman, and the Nth Metal enhancements should allow HM to see the attacks coming.

dude Thor is on another levelthan hawkman. and i would argue that the moon knockout and the hawkman punch knockout where both PIS because superman has survived a supernova. ill grant that hawkman will have a speed advantage but i doubt its enough to totally outclass thor the way supes does. hawkman probably lands oe good punch with the horus before thor smacks him with mjolnir and hawkman doesnt have tat kind of durability unless im missing something

i kind of agree. Thor is on another level. The only thing that makes this a conversation worth having is that Hawkmans weapons and armor disrupt magic. that and he has a claw that hits with planet level force. oh and his speed. but thats all that keeps this from being a stomp in favor of thor

#39 Edited by WillPayton (9033 posts) - - Show Bio

i kind of agree. Thor is on another level. The only thing that makes this a conversation worth having is that Hawkmans weapons and armor disrupt magic. that and he has a claw that hits with planet level force. oh and his speed. but thats all that keeps this from being a stomp in favor of thor

Of course... regular Hawkman vs Thor would be ridiculous. I mean, Hawkman has taken a beating from Black Adam, which is no small feat, but still he had no chance in that fight. But, add in Nth Metal weapons, armor, and the Claw of Horus and this is another fight altogether. I dont think Thor would be able to walk away from getting hit by the Claw as HM hit Superman.

Another thing that I think people are ignoring... is that morals-on, in-character Thor is not that tough. I mean, he's not exactly a smart fighter and regularly lets people tag him. On the other hand, in-character Hawkman is always dangerous and a great fighter. It's not unreasonable to think that in a fight he'll be able to tag Thor. And, tagging Thor with the Claw means big trouble for Thor.

#40 Posted by SOG7dc (6713 posts) - - Show Bio

@sog7dc said:

and i would argue that the moon knockout and the hawkman punch knockout where both PIS because superman has survived a supernova.

Those are two completely different things. You cant say that surviving one has anything to do with the other.

Also, I'm not sure you know what PIS means. PIS is when characters do something stupid or out of character for the sake of the plot, not when something happens that you dont like.

.....so its logical for superman to survive a supernova while being weakened by red sun radiation, for superman to survive two planets colliding and be hurt by being punched "with the earth"? no my friend that IS the definition of PIS. and i am well aware of what it means it is stupidity induced by the plot. the plot (written by jeph leob in an arc where superman was hit by a bullet and beat darksied BADLY) called for superman to have an adversary that didnt have magic as an advantage like marvel did. so he had to fight hawkman and if he would have used his speed, trength, heat vision, freexe breath, super breath, etc he could have easily dispersed of hawkman. and thor has just as many ways of dispersing of hawkman

#41 Posted by ForeverEvil (4788 posts) - - Show Bio

@foreverevil said:

i kind of agree. Thor is on another level. The only thing that makes this a conversation worth having is that Hawkmans weapons and armor disrupt magic. that and he has a claw that hits with planet level force. oh and his speed. but thats all that keeps this from being a stomp in favor of thor

Of course... regular Hawkman vs Thor would be ridiculous. I mean, Hawkman has taken a beating from Black Adam, which is no small feat, but still he had no chance in that fight. But, add in Nth Metal weapons, armor, and the Claw of Horus and this is another fight altogether. I dont think Thor would be able to walk away from getting hit by the Claw as HM hit Superman.

Another thing that I think people are ignoring... is that morals-on, in-character Thor is not that tough. I mean, he's not exactly a smart fighter and regularly lets people tag him. On the other hand, in-character Hawkman is always dangerous and a great fighter. It's not unreasonable to think that in a fight he'll be able to tag Thor. And, tagging Thor with the Claw means big trouble for Thor.

I agree with the bold parts. thor relies alot on his magic and strength. The magic may or not maybe be disrupted. but i say probably because thats what Nth metal does. and i dont think its ever failed. and the strength part is great for thor, he just needs to land the hits since Hawkman is faster. If the magic is negated i say hawkman wins. if not, i go with thor.

#42 Edited by thorthorthor (21 posts) - - Show Bio

Hawkman will humiliate Thor.lol

Well, not really a stomp but Hawkman is going to beat Thor with a bit ease.

#43 Posted by WillPayton (9033 posts) - - Show Bio

@sog7dc said:

.....so its logical for superman to survive a supernova while being weakened by red sun radiation

Yes, it's logical. It depends on many factors... how far was Superman from the supernova? How much total energy did the supernova put out? You got those figures? Good... now divide the total energy by the area of the sphere with radius R, R being the distance from the supernova to Superman. Then multiply by the area of Superman's body... lets assume it's 1.5 m^2. Now you have how much total energy Superman was actually exposed to. Next, figure out what type of energy. We know Superman runs on solar energy, so how much of that energy actually made Superman stronger (sun dip) and how much would have hurt him? How much consisted of particles, and how do those affect Superman?

Once you do all that, tell me how resisting energy and particles compares to getting hit by a physical object like a moon.

Go ahead, I can wait.

Or, you can just admit that the two are different things... like I already pointed out. Supernovas happen all the time in our galaxy, and yet we here on Earth survive them just fine. Reason? Because we're very far away. This simple bit of logic should tell you that "surviving a supernova" is a pretty useless feat when you dont know any other facts about it.

#44 Posted by WillPayton (9033 posts) - - Show Bio

@willpayton said:

Of course... regular Hawkman vs Thor would be ridiculous. I mean, Hawkman has taken a beating from Black Adam, which is no small feat, but still he had no chance in that fight. But, add in Nth Metal weapons, armor, and the Claw of Horus and this is another fight altogether. I dont think Thor would be able to walk away from getting hit by the Claw as HM hit Superman.

Another thing that I think people are ignoring... is that morals-on, in-character Thor is not that tough. I mean, he's not exactly a smart fighter and regularly lets people tag him. On the other hand, in-character Hawkman is always dangerous and a great fighter. It's not unreasonable to think that in a fight he'll be able to tag Thor. And, tagging Thor with the Claw means big trouble for Thor.

I agree with the bold parts. thor relies alot on his magic and strength. The magic may or not maybe be disrupted. but i say probably because thats what Nth metal does. and i dont think its ever failed. and the strength part is great for thor, he just needs to land the hits since Hawkman is faster. If the magic is negated i say hawkman wins. if not, i go with thor.

Pretty much. I'm not saying who I think wins or loses here, only that I disagree with those saying that HM has no chance. HM has taken serious blows from Black Adam (when he wasnt wearing Nth Metal armor), which tells me that he can take blows from Thor and still dish out his own punishment:

#45 Edited by ForeverEvil (4788 posts) - - Show Bio

@sog7dc said:

.....so its logical for superman to survive a supernova while being weakened by red sun radiation

Yes, it's logical. It depends on many factors... how far was Superman from the supernova? How much total energy did the supernova put out? You got those figures? Good... now divide the total energy by the area of the sphere with radius R, R being the distance from the supernova to Superman. Then multiply by the area of Superman's body... lets assume it's 1.5 m^2. Now you have how much total energy Superman was actually exposed to. Next, figure out what type of energy. We know Superman runs on solar energy, so how much of that energy actually made Superman stronger (sun dip) and how much would have hurt him? How much consisted of particles, and how do those affect Superman?

Once you do all that, tell me how resisting energy and particles compares to getting hit by a physical object like a moon.

Go ahead, I can wait.

Or, you can just admit that the two are different things... like I already pointed out. Supernovas happen all the time in our galaxy, and yet we here on Earth survive them just fine. Reason? Because we're very far away. This simple bit of logic should tell you that "surviving a supernova" is a pretty useless feat when you dont know any other facts about it.

daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn

#46 Edited by SOG7dc (6713 posts) - - Show Bio

@sog7dc said:

.....so its logical for superman to survive a supernova while being weakened by red sun radiation

Yes, it's logical. It depends on many factors... how far was Superman from the supernova? How much total energy did the supernova put out? You got those figures? Good... now divide the total energy by the area of the sphere with radius R, R being the distance from the supernova to Superman. Then multiply by the area of Superman's body... lets assume it's 1.5 m^2. Now you have how much total energy Superman was actually exposed to. Next, figure out what type of energy. We know Superman runs on solar energy, so how much of that energy actually made Superman stronger (sun dip) and how much would have hurt him? How much consisted of particles, and how do those affect Superman?

Once you do all that, tell me how resisting energy and particles compares to getting hit by a physical object like a moon.

Go ahead, I can wait.

Or, you can just admit that the two are different things... like I already pointed out. Supernovas happen all the time in our galaxy, and yet we here on Earth survive them just fine. Reason? Because we're very far away. This simple bit of logic should tell you that "surviving a supernova" is a pretty useless feat when you dont know any other facts about it.

-pretty close: http://www.comicvine.com/images/1300-2609412

if a planet werethat close it would have been obliterated

- and i quote "the explosion was about fifty times the size of keplars spernova"

-youre being ridiculous. find me one feat in comics that has that much definition behind i. youre just either lowballing or trolling now and by the by he was being weakend by red sun radiation. the writer even tells us his power is depleting

- how about i ove on and show you superman being hit by two planets?

http://www.comicvine.com/images/1300-2609427

all your doing is givng hawkman waayyyyyy too much credit while lowballing both superman and thor... i presents actual on panel evidence and you ask for things you know dont exist. so how about you got get me the schematics of the horus that prove it hits with the force of the entire planet. showme a chart that details how effective hawkmans healing is. show me hawkman surviving planetary level attacks. show me hawkman surviving something comparable to thors lightening......

#47 Posted by batmannflash (6166 posts) - - Show Bio

Claw of Horus helps a lot, but Thor still wins

#48 Posted by WillPayton (9033 posts) - - Show Bio

How many meters is "pretty close"?

@sog7dc said:

if a planet werethat close it would have been obliterated

And you get this from... where? It certainly doesnt say that in the scan. And, BTW, what comic was that scan from? Is it canon?

@sog7dc said:

- and i quote "the explosion was about fifty times the size of keplars spernova"

Which means what?

@sog7dc said:

-youre being ridiculous. find me one feat in comics that has that much definition behind i. youre just either lowballing or trolling now and by the by he was being weakend by red sun radiation. the writer even tells us his power is depleting

I'm not being ridiculous, I'm simply trying to point out what you refuse to acknowledge... that surviving a supernovae at some indeterminate distance from it is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT from getting hit by a rock.

@sog7dc said:

- how about i ove on and show you superman being hit by two planets?

http://www.comicvine.com/images/1300-2609427

And this is relevant, how? Also, what comic is that from?

@sog7dc said:

all your doing is givng hawkman waayyyyyy too much credit while lowballing both superman and thor... i presents actual on panel evidence and you ask for things you know dont exist. so how about you got get me the schematics of the horus that prove it hits with the force of the entire planet. showme a chart that details how effective hawkmans healing is. show me hawkman surviving planetary level attacks. show me hawkman surviving something comparable to thors lightening......

You seem to be confused. I'm not sure why you think I need to provide any of this.

#49 Posted by Ancient_0f_Days (11349 posts) - - Show Bio

Thor obviously wins...with the claw however, Carter should be able get a few good hits in before going down hard...it only increases his strength, not his durability.

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#50 Posted by SOG7dc (6713 posts) - - Show Bio

How many meters is "pretty close"?

@sog7dc said:

if a planet werethat close it would have been obliterated

And you get this from... where? It certainly doesnt say that in the scan. And, BTW, what comic was that scan from? Is it canon?

@sog7dc said:

- and i quote "the explosion was about fifty times the size of keplars spernova"

Which means what?

@sog7dc said:

-youre being ridiculous. find me one feat in comics that has that much definition behind i. youre just either lowballing or trolling now and by the by he was being weakend by red sun radiation. the writer even tells us his power is depleting

I'm not being ridiculous, I'm simply trying to point out what you refuse to acknowledge... that surviving a supernovae at some indeterminate distance from it is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT from getting hit by a rock.

@sog7dc said:

- how about i ove on and show you superman being hit by two planets?

http://www.comicvine.com/images/1300-2609427

And this is relevant, how? Also, what comic is that from?

@sog7dc said:

all your doing is givng hawkman waayyyyyy too much credit while lowballing both superman and thor... i presents actual on panel evidence and you ask for things you know dont exist. so how about you got get me the schematics of the horus that prove it hits with the force of the entire planet. showme a chart that details how effective hawkmans healing is. show me hawkman surviving planetary level attacks. show me hawkman surviving something comparable to thors lightening......

You seem to be confused. I'm not sure why you think I need to provide any of this.

so i need to prove the exact amount of supernova superman took but you dont need to prove anyting? theres a word for that....hypocr.....nah nevermind

its was campm [re-52. the coming of atlas story arc

so the only hpe hawkman has that is trumped two fold by the last scan i posted is irrelevant.....ridiculous. illprove everything you asked for when you hold yourself to the same standard. prove the claw of horus actually hits with that mucch force. get me numbers, schematics,experiment data..... amd ill get you all the info on the supernova you want