" only way i see that working is if he is constantly under cover while running.........whatever part of clint deadshot gets to see is getting hit, period.explain that second one? presumably you're saying clint can use his arrows like cap uses his shield and beat him that way, right? well, why couldn't deadshot dodge that? arrows don't move faster than captain boomerang, and also he has armor. "
Cap's shield can release sonic pulses or have explosive effects..so not Deadshot can't just dodge the arrows.He doesn't know what arrow he will use.
" hiding and taking cover is the same thing.see what i'm saying, for clint to win he has to be hiding and get the drop on deadshot before he notices him.......that's already givng way too much of the benefit of the doubt to clint. if they're in the open, clint is dead.if they both are aware of each other, clint is dead. let's say deadshot hides and gets the drop on him, what about that?deadshot>clint "
No it's not.Taking cover is putting yourself out of harms way until you can do what you need to to win.Hiding is putting yourself out of harms way for good with no intention of fighting back.Yes.That's right Clint would have to get the drop on him because he doesn't have superhuman reflexes and he has the inferior weapon.If Deadshot gets the drop on Clint,obviously he kills Clint but Clint is the strategist not Deadshot."
" hiding and taking cover is the same thing.see what i'm saying, for clint to win he has to be hiding and get the drop on deadshot before he notices him.......that's already givng way too much of the benefit of the doubt to clint. if they're in the open, clint is dead.if they both are aware of each other, clint is dead. let's say deadshot hides and gets the drop on him, what about that?deadshot>clint "
No it's not.Taking cover is putting yourself out of harms way until you can do what you need to to win.Hiding is putting yourself out of harms way for good with no intention of fighting back.Yes.That's right Clint would have to get the drop on him because he doesn't have superhuman reflexes and he has the inferior weapon.If Deadshot gets the drop on Clint,obviously he kills Clint but Clint is the strategist not Deadshot."
*sigh* Taking cover is momentarily hiding. "
It doesn't really matter.
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If Floyd's weapons are concealed, since they do not know each other I think it is safe to say Clint isn't in the business of putting arrows in people just for the hell of it. Taking that into consideration, why would Clint just fire at Floyd?
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A person with armor won't stick out? "
True. But Clint still isn't in the habit of just firing at people. He would still say somthing along the lines of "Don't move or I turn you into a pincushion" and that is all the time Floyd needs to draw and fire, depending on the arrow Clint uses, they may both die. But Clint is definetly a deadman. "
Why would Clint draw attention to himself? That doesn't make any sense."
How do you figure? When has Clint just opened fire on someone he doesn't know? Wearing armor or not Clint won't just open fire on someone who han't done anything, and if Clint tries to just follow Floyd and observe, Namorsubby's scan shows that he would most likely get spotted. And once Floyd is aware of Clint. The advantage swings pretty far in his favor. "
When has Clint ever had to find an opponent in a casino? If Clint isn't sure Deadshot is the opponent when he sees him which doesn't make sense because he's wearing a costume,he's not going to pop out and say something..that would be retarded.He could just hit him with a (I forget what the arrow is called but it has a stick substance like Spider-Man's webbing) and subdue Deadshot.If it's not really him,he didn't hurt him so he doesn't have to feel bad.
" hiding and taking cover is the same thing.see what i'm saying, for clint to win he has to be hiding and get the drop on deadshot before he notices him.......that's already givng way too much of the benefit of the doubt to clint. if they're in the open, clint is dead.if they both are aware of each other, clint is dead. let's say deadshot hides and gets the drop on him, what about that?deadshot>clint "
No it's not.Taking cover is putting yourself out of harms way until you can do what you need to to win.Hiding is putting yourself out of harms way for good with no intention of fighting back.Yes.That's right Clint would have to get the drop on him because he doesn't have superhuman reflexes and he has the inferior weapon.If Deadshot gets the drop on Clint,obviously he kills Clint but Clint is the strategist not Deadshot."
*sigh* Taking cover is momentarily hiding. "
It doesn't really matter.
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If Floyd's weapons are concealed, since they do not know each other I think it is safe to say Clint isn't in the business of putting arrows in people just for the hell of it. Taking that into consideration, why would Clint just fire at Floyd?
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A person with armor won't stick out? "
True. But Clint still isn't in the habit of just firing at people. He would still say somthing along the lines of "Don't move or I turn you into a pincushion" and that is all the time Floyd needs to draw and fire, depending on the arrow Clint uses, they may both die. But Clint is definetly a deadman. "
Why would Clint draw attention to himself? That doesn't make any sense."
How do you figure? When has Clint just opened fire on someone he doesn't know? Wearing armor or not Clint won't just open fire on someone who han't done anything, and if Clint tries to just follow Floyd and observe, Namorsubby's scan shows that he would most likely get spotted. And once Floyd is aware of Clint. The advantage swings pretty far in his favor. "
When has Clint ever had to find an opponent in a casino? If Clint isn't sure Deadshot is the opponent when he sees him which doesn't make sense because he's wearing a costume,he's not going to pop out and say something..that would be retarded.He could just hit him with a (I forget what the arrow is called but it has a stick substance like Spider-Man's webbing) and subdue Deadshot.If it's not really him,he didn't hurt him so he doesn't have to feel bad."
When has Clint ever had to find an opponent in a casino? If Clint isn't sure Deadshot is the opponent when he sees him which doesn't make sense because he's wearing a costume,he's not going to pop out and say something..that would be retarded.He could just hit him with a (I forget what the arrow is called but it has a stick substance like Spider-Man's webbing) and subdue Deadshot.If it's not really him,he didn't hurt him so he doesn't have to feel bad."
I wasn't aware that they were there speciffically to fight. Is this like somekind of contest? The OP does not mention anything like that. I was under the assumption they are just both in the casino for different reasons. If they are there to fight wouldn't Floyd's supervision(being able to see a humming bird's wings flap) give him the advantage right out the gate?
When has Clint ever had to find an opponent in a casino? If Clint isn't sure Deadshot is the opponent when he sees him which doesn't make sense because he's wearing a costume,he's not going to pop out and say something..that would be retarded.He could just hit him with a (I forget what the arrow is called but it has a stick substance like Spider-Man's webbing) and subdue Deadshot.If it's not really him,he didn't hurt him so he doesn't have to feel bad."
I wasn't aware that they were there speciffically to fight. Is this like somekind of contest? The OP does not mention anything like that. I was under the assumption they are just both in the casino for different reasons. If they are there to fight wouldn't Floyd's supervision(being able to see a humming bird's wings flap) give him the advantage right out the gate? "
This is battle forums,what else would they be in the Casino for? Floyd's supervision doesn't let him see through walls or anything.So I don't see how it would just let him see Hawkeye automatically.The hummingbird thing only proves speed is no factor in comparison to what Deadshot can see.
When has Clint ever had to find an opponent in a casino? If Clint isn't sure Deadshot is the opponent when he sees him which doesn't make sense because he's wearing a costume,he's not going to pop out and say something..that would be retarded.He could just hit him with a (I forget what the arrow is called but it has a stick substance like Spider-Man's webbing) and subdue Deadshot.If it's not really him,he didn't hurt him so he doesn't have to feel bad."
I wasn't aware that they were there speciffically to fight. Is this like somekind of contest? The OP does not mention anything like that. I was under the assumption they are just both in the casino for different reasons. If they are there to fight wouldn't Floyd's supervision(being able to see a humming bird's wings flap) give him the advantage right out the gate? "
This is battle forums,what else would they be in the Casino for?Floyd's supervision doesn't let him see through walls or anything.So I don't see how it would just let him see Hawkeye automatically.The hummingbird thing only proves speed is no factor in comparison to what Deadshot can see."
Gamble? Pick up show girls? Free food and drinks at the $25 tables? I tend to think of these things in real world scenarios unless there is more detail in the OP. That can be chalked up to my own character flaws I guess. And while it's true he can't see through walls, he still has the advantage as far as spotting his opponent is concerned.
When has Clint ever had to find an opponent in a casino? If Clint isn't sure Deadshot is the opponent when he sees him which doesn't make sense because he's wearing a costume,he's not going to pop out and say something..that would be retarded.He could just hit him with a (I forget what the arrow is called but it has a stick substance like Spider-Man's webbing) and subdue Deadshot.If it's not really him,he didn't hurt him so he doesn't have to feel bad."
I wasn't aware that they were there speciffically to fight. Is this like somekind of contest? The OP does not mention anything like that. I was under the assumption they are just both in the casino for different reasons. If they are there to fight wouldn't Floyd's supervision(being able to see a humming bird's wings flap) give him the advantage right out the gate? "
This is battle forums,what else would they be in the Casino for?Floyd's supervision doesn't let him see through walls or anything.So I don't see how it would just let him see Hawkeye automatically.The hummingbird thing only proves speed is no factor in comparison to what Deadshot can see."
Gamble? Pick up show girls? Free food and drinks at the $25 tables? I tend to think of these things in real world scenarios unless there is more detail in the OP. That can be chalked up to my own character flaws I guess. And while it's true he can't see through walls, he still has the advantage as far as spotting his opponent is concerned. "
It's a battle thread though.Why would you assume they weren't their to fight? Either way i'm done.
Just the fact that it seems weird that 2 guys who don't know each other would be in a casino packed full of people just to fight. That only happens in sporting events held in a casino. At any rate, sorry about the misunderstanding. Have a good night.
" Just the fact that it seems weird that 2 guys who don't know each other would be in a casino packed full of people just to fight. That only happens in sporting events held in a casino. At any rate, sorry about the misunderstanding. Have a good night. "
While Clint has the tactical edge, better variety of weapons and superior hand to hand, I don't believe this will allow him to take a majority over Deadshot. Deadshot kills for a living, so Hawkeye's tactical edge isnt that vast, where it makes it like fighting the Rhino. Given Deadshot's superior reaction timing, hearing, vision, armor, faster rate of fire, willingness to pull a headshot/instant kill, and use of rockets, I have to give him at least 6-7 out of 10 wins.
While Clint has the tactical edge, better variety of weapons and superior hand to hand, I don't believe this will allow him to take a majority over Deadshot. Deadshot kills for a living, so Hawkeye's tactical edge isnt that vast, where it makes it like fighting the Rhino. Given Deadshot's superior reaction timing, hearing, vision, armor, faster rate of fire, willingness to pull a headshot/instant kill, and use of rockets, I have to give him at least 6-7 out of 10 wins. "
While Clint has the tactical edge, better variety of weapons and superior hand to hand, I don't believe this will allow him to take a majority over Deadshot. Deadshot kills for a living, so Hawkeye's tactical edge isnt that vast, where it makes it like fighting the Rhino. Given Deadshot's superior reaction timing, hearing, vision, armor, faster rate of fire, willingness to pull a headshot/instant kill, and use of rockets, I have to give him at least 6-7 out of 10 wins. "
" hiding and taking cover is the same thing.see what i'm saying, for clint to win he has to be hiding and get the drop on deadshot before he notices him.......that's already givng way too much of the benefit of the doubt to clint. if they're in the open, clint is dead.if they both are aware of each other, clint is dead. let's say deadshot hides and gets the drop on him, what about that?deadshot>clint "
No it's not.Taking cover is putting yourself out of harms way until you can do what you need to to win.Hiding is putting yourself out of harms way for good with no intention of fighting back.Yes.That's right Clint would have to get the drop on him because he doesn't have superhuman reflexes and he has the inferior weapon.If Deadshot gets the drop on Clint,obviously he kills Clint but Clint is the strategist not Deadshot."
deadshot has used that same "strategy" several times. I guess that makes him a "strategist"
" hiding and taking cover is the same thing.see what i'm saying, for clint to win he has to be hiding and get the drop on deadshot before he notices him.......that's already givng way too much of the benefit of the doubt to clint. if they're in the open, clint is dead.if they both are aware of each other, clint is dead. let's say deadshot hides and gets the drop on him, what about that?deadshot>clint "
No it's not.Taking cover is putting yourself out of harms way until you can do what you need to to win.Hiding is putting yourself out of harms way for good with no intention of fighting back.Yes.That's right Clint would have to get the drop on him because he doesn't have superhuman reflexes and he has the inferior weapon.If Deadshot gets the drop on Clint,obviously he kills Clint but Clint is the strategist not Deadshot."
deadshot has used that same "strategy" several times. I guess that makes him a "strategist" "
I could have sworn you already responded to this.Anyway,Clint is a MASTER strategist,Deadshot is not.
" hiding and taking cover is the same thing.see what i'm saying, for clint to win he has to be hiding and get the drop on deadshot before he notices him.......that's already givng way too much of the benefit of the doubt to clint. if they're in the open, clint is dead.if they both are aware of each other, clint is dead. let's say deadshot hides and gets the drop on him, what about that?deadshot>clint "
No it's not.Taking cover is putting yourself out of harms way until you can do what you need to to win.Hiding is putting yourself out of harms way for good with no intention of fighting back.Yes.That's right Clint would have to get the drop on him because he doesn't have superhuman reflexes and he has the inferior weapon.If Deadshot gets the drop on Clint,obviously he kills Clint but Clint is the strategist not Deadshot."
deadshot has used that same "strategy" several times. I guess that makes him a "strategist" "
I could have sworn you already responded to this.Anyway,Clint is a MASTER strategist,Deadshot is not."
yeah........deadshot's only smart enough to fool other master strategists like batman and deathstroke.......certainly not a master strategist.
" hiding and taking cover is the same thing.see what i'm saying, for clint to win he has to be hiding and get the drop on deadshot before he notices him.......that's already givng way too much of the benefit of the doubt to clint. if they're in the open, clint is dead.if they both are aware of each other, clint is dead. let's say deadshot hides and gets the drop on him, what about that?deadshot>clint "
No it's not.Taking cover is putting yourself out of harms way until you can do what you need to to win.Hiding is putting yourself out of harms way for good with no intention of fighting back.Yes.That's right Clint would have to get the drop on him because he doesn't have superhuman reflexes and he has the inferior weapon.If Deadshot gets the drop on Clint,obviously he kills Clint but Clint is the strategist not Deadshot."
deadshot has used that same "strategy" several times. I guess that makes him a "strategist" "
I could have sworn you already responded to this.Anyway,Clint is a MASTER strategist,Deadshot is not."
yeah........deadshot's only smart enough to fool other master strategists like batman and deathstroke.......certainly not a master strategist. "
Yeah he's not...Daredevil outsmarted The Grandmaster..doesn't make him a genius now.
Would be an epic fight but Hawkeye would prevail. If it came to up close and personal Hawkeye is a better H2H fight. But all in all I give it, 8/10, in Hawkeye's favor.
Hawkeye would win. Both are expert marksmen, yeah, so? Hawkeye fights against a hail of bullets everyday of the week and wins. Hawkeye can use his blast arrows to injure or at least disarm Deadshot. He can darken the environment with his several types of gas arrows. He can make Deadshot shrink down in pain with a supersonic arrow. He has dodged the assault of a gatling gun-arm at a few feet away, and disarmed his gun-totting adversary with an arrow made for disrupting guns (he didn't bother explaining what it was, he only said it had to do with electrostacic particles and synaptic disruption). If he had a Mexican stand-off, he has proven that he can release an arrow faster than the other guy can shoot, and this is widely known in-universe. As for accuracy, Hawkeye has some Bullseye-like feats using common household appliances to start a chain of reaction to achieve a desired effect. If he was in a hurry and didn't have time to put an arrow on his bow and pull the string and let go, (and he can do that extremely fricken' fast) he can also throw his arrows by hand with the same accuracy and effect as if he were shooting them with his bow. He can dodge superfast beings like Jolt, who was fast enough to tag Quicksilver and KO him. He has an arrow which uses Pym particles that, upong being fired, causes a hail shrunk-down arrows stored within the arrowhead to grow to their normal size and rain down upon the enemy, still with perfect accuracy, and Deadshot doesn't have any good dodging feats. (All of the above is 616 Hawkster, btw)
He has defeated Captain effin' America, for crying out loud. I don't see how could Deadshot win this.
Hawkeye would win. Both are expert marksmen, yeah, so? Hawkeye fights against a hail of bullets everyday of the week and wins. Hawkeye can use his blast arrows to injure or at least disarm Deadshot. He can darken the environment with his several types of gas arrows. He can make Deadshot shrink down in pain with a supersonic arrow. He has dodged the assault of a gatling gun-arm at a few feet away, and disarmed his gun-totting adversary with an arrow made for disrupting guns (he didn't bother explaining what it was, he only said it had to do with electrostacic particles and synaptic disruption). If he had a Mexican stand-off, he has proven that he can release an arrow faster than the other guy can shoot, and this is widely known in-universe. As for accuracy, Hawkeye has some Bullseye-like feats using common household appliances to start a chain of reaction to achieve a desired effect. If he was in a hurry and didn't have time to put an arrow on his bow and pull the string and let go, (and he can do that extremely fricken' fast) he can also throw his arrows by hand with the same accuracy and effect as if he were shooting them with his bow. He can dodge superfast beings like Jolt, who was fast enough to tag Quicksilver and KO him. He has an arrow which uses Pym particles that, upong being fired, causes a hail shrunk-down arrows stored within the arrowhead to grow to their normal size and rain down upon the enemy, still with perfect accuracy, and Deadshot doesn't have any good dodging feats. (All of the above is 616 Hawkster, btw) He has defeated Captain effin' America, for crying out loud. I don't see how could Deadshot win this.
Deadshot has actually TIMED bullets,arrows don't even hold up.He's beaten the Goddamn Batman and did so with the intent of only KO'ing him. Disarming guys? please Floyd disarmed half a dozen cops and shot one straight through his eyes WITHOUT killing him. Darken the room? LMAO,that visor can see in the dark and has hypersenses. Floyd has made speedsters look like chumps,Bullets>>>>arrows any day of the week.Deadshot tears Clint a new one.
@Lion_Heart22: Dodging bullets from cannon fodder doesn't equal dodging Deadshot. If that was the case, I'd dispute Moon Knight could evade Deadshot since he regularly moves too fast for standard gunmen. Clearly, that doesn't translate to how they'd perform against Deadshot. If I really need to provide scans of his accuracy, I shall.
No dodging feats you say? Keep in mind, I'm not saying his agility/dodging is superior to Barton's, but he's not going to be a still target during the match.
@Lion_Heart22: Dodging bullets from cannon fodder doesn't equal dodging Deadshot. If that was the case, I'd dispute Moon Knight could evade Deadshot since he regularly moves too fast for standard gunmen. Clearly, that doesn't translate to how they'd perform against Deadshot. If I really need to provide scans of his accuracy, I shall.
No dodging feats you say? Keep in mind, I'm not saying his agility/dodging is superior to Barton, but he's not going to be a still target during the match.
@entropy_aegis: Slade isn't in the story, so if it is in reference to him, it's an inside joke for select fans. But, I view it more-so as a remark about himself since he uses the one visor for combat.
@entropy_aegis: Slade isn't in the story, so if it is in reference to him, it's an inside joke for select fans. But, I view it more-so as a remark about himself since he uses the one visor for combat.
Yeah Slade was'nt directly involved in Fugitive,still i always had the impression Floyd was referring to him.
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