#1 Posted by Mr. Exfed (1127 posts) - - Show Bio

Fight in a casino
Hawkeye has all trick arrows
Deadshot has standard equipment

#2 Posted by Vance Astro (91110 posts) - - Show Bio

Hawkeye.Better fighter,better arsenal.

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#3 Posted by castleking (24119 posts) - - Show Bio

Deadshot more advance gear faster reaction  time because of it.

#4 Posted by Mr. Exfed (1127 posts) - - Show Bio

Hawkeye is becoming my favorite Marvel character

#5 Posted by Vance Astro (91110 posts) - - Show Bio
@castleking said:
" Deadshot more advance gear faster reaction  time because of it. "
Of course he has more advanaced gear.He's not walking around with a bow and arrow.
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#6 Posted by Mr. Exfed (1127 posts) - - Show Bio

bump

#7 Posted by Zoom (14668 posts) - - Show Bio
@Mr. Exfed said:
"Hawkeye is becoming my favorite Marvel character "
Too bad he sucks as Ronin.

Hawkeye was always cool though.
#8 Posted by Mr. Exfed (1127 posts) - - Show Bio
@Zoom said:
" @Mr. Exfed said:
"Hawkeye is becoming my favorite Marvel character "
Too bad he sucks as Ronin.Hawkeye was always cool though. "
Yeah I tend to avoid the stuff with Ronin..Im going to read it eventually though
#9 Posted by Zoom (14668 posts) - - Show Bio

Don't.  Bendis cannot write the character worth a shake.

#10 Posted by geraldthesloth (33313 posts) - - Show Bio
@Zoom said:
" Don't.  Bendis cannot write the character worth a shake. "
Why do they trust him so much with everything..He has a freakin hard on for Luke Cage.
#11 Posted by Zoom (14668 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't know.

Could be that he (and I don't know how much of this was him) came up with a plan to create a giant string of crossovers.  Disassembled directly led to House of M which directly led to Decimation (which was all one big continuity error but nobody at Marvel cares).  Civil War directly lead to Secret Invasion which directly lead to Dark Reign (which are mostly mediocre).

Reading one makes you want to read the others which keeps customers paying.  The closest thing DC has to this is the 3 main crisises which absolutely positively are not readable unless you already have a deep understanding of the DCU.  This gives Marvel a leg up on the competition.  Doesn't matter if the crossovers are mediocre, enough people will buy them anyhow.  Marvel uses crossovers to target morons.  DC uses them to target people who have been reading the books for 20 years.  Let me tell ya.  There are a lot more morons out there than devoted fans of DC (dis)continuity.

/rant

#12 Posted by geraldthesloth (33313 posts) - - Show Bio
@Zoom said:
" I don't know.Could be that he (and I don't know how much of this was him) came up with a plan to create a giant string of crossovers.  Disassembled directly led to House of M which directly led to Decimation (which was all one big continuity error but nobody at Marvel cares).  Civil War directly lead to Secret Invasion which directly lead to Dark Reign (which are mostly mediocre).Reading one makes you want to read the others which keeps customers paying.  The closest thing DC has to this is the 3 main crisises which absolutely positively are not readable unless you already have a deep understanding of the DCU.  This gives Marvel a leg up on the competition.  Doesn't matter if the crossovers are mediocre, enough people will buy them anyhow.  Marvel uses crossovers to target morons.  DC uses them to target people who have been reading the books for 20 years.  Let me tell ya.  There are a lot more morons out there than devoted fans of DC (dis)continuity./rant "
I have a picture that would make you happy than.




#13 Posted by Mr. Exfed (1127 posts) - - Show Bio
@geraldthesloth said:
" @Zoom said:
" I don't know.Could be that he (and I don't know how much of this was him) came up with a plan to create a giant string of crossovers.  Disassembled directly led to House of M which directly led to Decimation (which was all one big continuity error but nobody at Marvel cares).  Civil War directly lead to Secret Invasion which directly lead to Dark Reign (which are mostly mediocre).Reading one makes you want to read the others which keeps customers paying.  The closest thing DC has to this is the 3 main crisises which absolutely positively are not readable unless you already have a deep understanding of the DCU.  This gives Marvel a leg up on the competition.  Doesn't matter if the crossovers are mediocre, enough people will buy them anyhow.  Marvel uses crossovers to target morons.  DC uses them to target people who have been reading the books for 20 years.  Let me tell ya.  There are a lot more morons out there than devoted fans of DC (dis)continuity./rant "
I have a picture that would make you happy than.


"
xD
#14 Posted by k4tzm4n (36395 posts) - - Show Bio

Deadshot.  While Hawkeye is a clear superior when it comes to hand to hand, Deadshot has far better displays of reaction time and accuracy.  Deadshot's armor will also allow him to survive if Hawkeye is lucky enough to get the first shot off.

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#15 Posted by Morpheus_ (29873 posts) - - Show Bio
@Zoom said:
" I don't know.Could be that he (and I don't know how much of this was him) came up with a plan to create a giant string of crossovers.  Disassembled directly led to House of M which directly led to Decimation (which was all one big continuity error but nobody at Marvel cares).  Civil War directly lead to Secret Invasion which directly lead to Dark Reign (which are mostly mediocre).Reading one makes you want to read the others which keeps customers paying.  The closest thing DC has to this is the 3 main crisises which absolutely positively are not readable unless you already have a deep understanding of the DCU.  This gives Marvel a leg up on the competition.  Doesn't matter if the crossovers are mediocre, enough people will buy them anyhow.  Marvel uses crossovers to target morons.  DC uses them to target people who have been reading the books for 20 years.  Let me tell ya.  There are a lot more morons out there than devoted fans of DC (dis)continuity./rant "
I'm far from being a die hard DC fan, but I found Identity crisis to be a fairly good story - if you view it as a murder mystery. Crisis on Infinite Earths was, to me, an absolute, disjointed mess - couldn't get to what was going on more than half the time. Infinity Crisis was so, so, at least to my eyes. Haven't read Final Crisis, or Sinestro Corps War as of yet (even though I have them both). Now, on the Marvel side, I have yet to read any of the late, big events that you mentioned (I have Civil War, HOM & Secret Invasion) but I, for one would give Bendis a vote of confidence strictly deriving from his early work on Ultimate Spider-man with Bagley, which I enjoyed very much. But since I haven't read anything else of his (even though I've heard that his Powers and DD work was good as well), maybe that's just me.
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#16 Posted by Strafe Prower (11887 posts) - - Show Bio
@k4tzm4n said:
"Deadshot.  While Hawkeye is a clear superior when it comes to hand to hand, Deadshot has far better displays of reaction time and accuracy.  Deadshot's armor will also allow him to survive if Hawkeye is lucky enough to get the first shot off. "

explosion arrow would say diffrent.

Hawkeye.
#17 Posted by k4tzm4n (36395 posts) - - Show Bio
@Strafe Prower said:
"@k4tzm4n said:
"Deadshot.  While Hawkeye is a clear superior when it comes to hand to hand, Deadshot has far better displays of reaction time and accuracy.  Deadshot's armor will also allow him to survive if Hawkeye is lucky enough to get the first shot off. "
explosion arrow would say diffrent.Hawkeye. "

I highly doubt that would be Hawkeye's primary arrow loaded. 
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#18 Posted by k4tzm4n (36395 posts) - - Show Bio

Even so, Deadshot's armor has withstood an entire clip from Deathstroke...If anything, a nearby explosion would knock him down/stun him...Where-as Deadshot fires bullets/rockets without the need to manually load them.  Fact is, Deadshot does have better feats of accuracy and reaction timing.  To top it off, Deadshot has no reason to not go for a kill shot.  Hawkeye's needs enhanced speed and agility to stand a good chance, but clearly he doesn't possess those attributes.

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#19 Posted by Scavanger (510 posts) - - Show Bio

Hawkeye FTW

#20 Posted by k4tzm4n (36395 posts) - - Show Bio
@Scavanger said:
"Hawkeye FTW"

Why?
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#21 Posted by Strafe Prower (11887 posts) - - Show Bio
@k4tzm4n said:
"@Strafe Prower said:
"@k4tzm4n said:
"Deadshot.  While Hawkeye is a clear superior when it comes to hand to hand, Deadshot has far better displays of reaction time and accuracy.  Deadshot's armor will also allow him to survive if Hawkeye is lucky enough to get the first shot off. "
explosion arrow would say diffrent.Hawkeye. "

I highly doubt that would be Hawkeye's primary arrow loaded.  "

he keeps them with him and used to use them in battle alot. Hawkeye is also accurate enough to put the arrows in the weak part of the armor.
#22 Posted by k4tzm4n (36395 posts) - - Show Bio
@Strafe Prower said:
"@k4tzm4n said:
"@Strafe Prower said:
"@k4tzm4n said:
"Deadshot.  While Hawkeye is a clear superior when it comes to hand to hand, Deadshot has far better displays of reaction time and accuracy.  Deadshot's armor will also allow him to survive if Hawkeye is lucky enough to get the first shot off. "
explosion arrow would say diffrent.Hawkeye. "

I highly doubt that would be Hawkeye's primary arrow loaded.  "
he keeps them with him and used to use them in battle alot. Hawkeye is also accurate enough to put the arrows in the weak part of the armor. "

...I'm well aware of them.  You missed my point, re-read it because I'm too lazy to retype it.  Hawkeye is of course accurate enough, but Deadshot has more impressive accuracy feats AND will take down Clint before vice versa.  I'd recommend reading more Deadshot to see why this is extremely unfair.
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#23 Posted by k4tzm4n (36395 posts) - - Show Bio
@Strafe Prower said:
"@k4tzm4n said:
"@Strafe Prower said:
"@k4tzm4n said:
"Deadshot.  While Hawkeye is a clear superior when it comes to hand to hand, Deadshot has far better displays of reaction time and accuracy.  Deadshot's armor will also allow him to survive if Hawkeye is lucky enough to get the first shot off. "
explosion arrow would say diffrent.Hawkeye. "

I highly doubt that would be Hawkeye's primary arrow loaded.  "
he keeps them with him and used to use them in battle alot. Hawkeye is also accurate enough to put the arrows in the weak part of the armor. "

...I'm well aware of them.  You missed my point, re-read it because I'm too lazy to retype it.  Hawkeye is of course accurate enough, but Deadshot has more impressive accuracy feats AND will take down Clint before vice versa.  I'd recommend reading more Deadshot to see why this is extremely unfair.
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#24 Posted by Strafe Prower (11887 posts) - - Show Bio
@k4tzm4n said:
"@Strafe Prower said:
"@k4tzm4n said:
"@Strafe Prower said:
"@k4tzm4n said:
"Deadshot.  While Hawkeye is a clear superior when it comes to hand to hand, Deadshot has far better displays of reaction time and accuracy.  Deadshot's armor will also allow him to survive if Hawkeye is lucky enough to get the first shot off. "
explosion arrow would say diffrent.Hawkeye. "

I highly doubt that would be Hawkeye's primary arrow loaded.  "
he keeps them with him and used to use them in battle alot. Hawkeye is also accurate enough to put the arrows in the weak part of the armor. "

...I'm well aware of them.  You missed my point, re-read it because I'm too lazy to retype it.  Hawkeye is of course accurate enough, but Deadshot has more impressive accuracy feats AND will take down Clint before vice versa.  I'd recommend reading more Deadshot to see why this is extremely unfair. "

Clint could also dodge his arrows. He is more than fast enough. Thats why i think Clint will win. with the arsenal Clint has, he will take down Deadshot before he can do much damage.
#25 Posted by k4tzm4n (36395 posts) - - Show Bio
@Strafe Prower said:
"@k4tzm4n said:
"@Strafe Prower said:
"@k4tzm4n said:
"@Strafe Prower said:
"@k4tzm4n said:
"Deadshot.  While Hawkeye is a clear superior when it comes to hand to hand, Deadshot has far better displays of reaction time and accuracy.  Deadshot's armor will also allow him to survive if Hawkeye is lucky enough to get the first shot off. "
explosion arrow would say diffrent.Hawkeye. "

I highly doubt that would be Hawkeye's primary arrow loaded.  "
he keeps them with him and used to use them in battle alot. Hawkeye is also accurate enough to put the arrows in the weak part of the armor. "

...I'm well aware of them.  You missed my point, re-read it because I'm too lazy to retype it.  Hawkeye is of course accurate enough, but Deadshot has more impressive accuracy feats AND will take down Clint before vice versa.  I'd recommend reading more Deadshot to see why this is extremely unfair. "
Clint could also dodge his arrows. He is more than fast enough. Thats why i think Clint will win. with the arsenal Clint has, he will take down Deadshot before he can do much damage. "

....Do you know who Deadshot is????  Deadshot fires bullets and rockets from his wrist device, not arrows...
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#26 Posted by k4tzm4n (36395 posts) - - Show Bio

Deadshot:



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#27 Posted by Strafe Prower (11887 posts) - - Show Bio
@k4tzm4n said:
"@Strafe Prower said:
"@k4tzm4n said:
"@Strafe Prower said:
"@k4tzm4n said:
"@Strafe Prower said:
"@k4tzm4n said:
"Deadshot.  While Hawkeye is a clear superior when it comes to hand to hand, Deadshot has far better displays of reaction time and accuracy.  Deadshot's armor will also allow him to survive if Hawkeye is lucky enough to get the first shot off. "
explosion arrow would say diffrent.Hawkeye. "

I highly doubt that would be Hawkeye's primary arrow loaded.  "
he keeps them with him and used to use them in battle alot. Hawkeye is also accurate enough to put the arrows in the weak part of the armor. "

...I'm well aware of them.  You missed my point, re-read it because I'm too lazy to retype it.  Hawkeye is of course accurate enough, but Deadshot has more impressive accuracy feats AND will take down Clint before vice versa.  I'd recommend reading more Deadshot to see why this is extremely unfair. "
Clint could also dodge his arrows. He is more than fast enough. Thats why i think Clint will win. with the arsenal Clint has, he will take down Deadshot before he can do much damage. "

....Do you know who Deadshot is????  Deadshot fires bullets and rockets from his wrist device, not arrows... "

He has also dodged bullets. I was confused, and though I was in another topic, my bad.  Deadshot has nothing Clint hasn't faced and beat before.
#28 Posted by Renigade16 (53 posts) - - Show Bio

Hawkeye is better fighter and I feel more experienced  and better under pressure.

#29 Posted by k4tzm4n (36395 posts) - - Show Bio
@Strafe Prower said:
"@k4tzm4n said:
"@Strafe Prower said:
"@k4tzm4n said:
"@Strafe Prower said:
"@k4tzm4n said:
"@Strafe Prower said:
"@k4tzm4n said:
"Deadshot.  While Hawkeye is a clear superior when it comes to hand to hand, Deadshot has far better displays of reaction time and accuracy.  Deadshot's armor will also allow him to survive if Hawkeye is lucky enough to get the first shot off. "
explosion arrow would say diffrent.Hawkeye. "

I highly doubt that would be Hawkeye's primary arrow loaded.  "
he keeps them with him and used to use them in battle alot. Hawkeye is also accurate enough to put the arrows in the weak part of the armor. "

...I'm well aware of them.  You missed my point, re-read it because I'm too lazy to retype it.  Hawkeye is of course accurate enough, but Deadshot has more impressive accuracy feats AND will take down Clint before vice versa.  I'd recommend reading more Deadshot to see why this is extremely unfair. "
Clint could also dodge his arrows. He is more than fast enough. Thats why i think Clint will win. with the arsenal Clint has, he will take down Deadshot before he can do much damage. "

....Do you know who Deadshot is????  Deadshot fires bullets and rockets from his wrist device, not arrows... "
He has also dodged bullets. I was confused, and though I was in another topic, my bad.  Deadshot has nothing Clint hasn't faced and beat before. "

Not true.  Hawkeye has never faced a foe with Bullseye's level of accuracy and level of lethality.

Renigade16, that won't matter since it's HIGHLY unlike this fight would come down to close range.
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#30 Posted by Vance Astro (91110 posts) - - Show Bio

Deadshot has failed to hit people less agile than Clint....

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#31 Posted by k4tzm4n (36395 posts) - - Show Bio
@Vance Astro said:
"Deadshot has failed to hit people less agile than Clint.... "

PIS.  Provide scans or at least issue numbers.  The only reason he doesn't shoot Batman is out of respect.
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#32 Posted by Vance Astro (91110 posts) - - Show Bio
@k4tzm4n said:
" @Vance Astro said:
"Deadshot has failed to hit people less agile than Clint.... "

PIS.  Provide scans or at least issue numbers.  The only reason he doesn't shoot Batman is out of respect. "
Batman is less agile than Clint?
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#33 Edited by k4tzm4n (36395 posts) - - Show Bio

That's not what I intended, should have said "And just for the record" or something.  For your remark, I stated it's likely PIS and give info.  I figured I'd address the Batman issue before anyone else brought it up.

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#34 Posted by Vance Astro (91110 posts) - - Show Bio
@k4tzm4n said:
"

That's not what I said.  For your remake, I stated it's likely PIS and give info.  And I figured I'd address the Batman issue before anyone else brought it up.

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I didn't say anything about Batman only that Deadshot has missed less agile people than Clint.
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#35 Posted by k4tzm4n (36395 posts) - - Show Bio

Check the edit.

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#36 Posted by Vance Astro (91110 posts) - - Show Bio
@k4tzm4n said:
" Check the edit. "
I gotcha.You don't think Clint can dodge Deadshot? At all?
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#37 Posted by k4tzm4n (36395 posts) - - Show Bio

I think Deadshot will land hits more frequently then not.  A lot depends on where they start in the Casino...It obviously provides a lot of cover with rows of slot machines, tables and so forth...If they both start behind large portions of cover, I think it's far more balanced...BUt another key factor is the fact the OP didn't state if the Casino was unpopulated.  This would likely give Deadshot a huge advantage....Despite now being an anti-hero, he won't care as much as Clint would about friendly fire.

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#38 Posted by Vance Astro (91110 posts) - - Show Bio
@k4tzm4n said:
" I think Deadshot will land hits more frequently then not.  A lot depends on where they start in the Casino...It obviously provides a lot of cover with rows of slot machines, tables and so forth...If they both start behind large portions of cover, I think it's far more balanced...BUt another key factor is the fact the OP didn't state if the Casino was unpopulated.  This would likely give Deadshot a huge advantage....Despite now being an anti-hero, he won't care as much as Clint would about friendly fire. "
Well see if they start at opposite sides of the casino.That gives Hawkeye time to devise a strategy.Clint is very good at that.I know their are people in the Casino that Deadshot wouldn't mind clearing out but all the chaos that will cause when they start fighting blue all the machines and tables and all that,could provide cover for Hawkeye.
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#39 Posted by shadowtaker (66 posts) - - Show Bio

Which hawkeye are we using Dark Reign Hawkeye or Clint Barton ether way Deadshot won't stand a chance

#40 Posted by Vance Astro (91110 posts) - - Show Bio
@shadowtaker said:
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Which hawkeye are we using Dark Reign Hawkeye or Clint Barton ether way Deadshot won't stand a chance

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Clint Barton.
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#41 Posted by k4tzm4n (36395 posts) - - Show Bio
@Vance Astro said:
"@k4tzm4n said:
" I think Deadshot will land hits more frequently then not.  A lot depends on where they start in the Casino...It obviously provides a lot of cover with rows of slot machines, tables and so forth...If they both start behind large portions of cover, I think it's far more balanced...BUt another key factor is the fact the OP didn't state if the Casino was unpopulated.  This would likely give Deadshot a huge advantage....Despite now being an anti-hero, he won't care as much as Clint would about friendly fire. "
Well see if they start at opposite sides of the casino.That gives Hawkeye time to devise a strategy.Clint is very good at that.I know their are people in the Casino that Deadshot wouldn't mind clearing out but all the chaos that will cause when they start fighting blue all the machines and tables and all that,could provide cover for Hawkeye.
"

I see the basic versus as starting maybe 50-75 feet apart.  For both of these characters, they should still be nearly 100% accuracy at this range.
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#42 Posted by k4tzm4n (36395 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm shocked people think it's so one sided...I HIGHLY recommend reading more Deadshot.  Deadshot Vol 2 is a good example, he takes on an entire squad of super villains and 3 different "mafia gangs".  As you can imagine, he dominates.

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#43 Posted by geraldthesloth (33313 posts) - - Show Bio

This is a tough fight..

Deadshot could probably take it.

#44 Posted by castleking (24119 posts) - - Show Bio

deadshot wins more often then not 7/10 due to rapid reload and discharge against hawkeyes method of pulling back to bow string and at most shooting 3 arrows at once.

#45 Posted by Vance Astro (91110 posts) - - Show Bio
@castleking said:
" deadshot wins more often then not 7/10 due to rapid reload and discharge against hawkeyes method of pulling back to bow string and at most shooting 3 arrows at once. "
I'll agree with this.
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#46 Posted by Strafe Prower (11887 posts) - - Show Bio


This comes to mind, when you say that lol.

And I am sure Deadshot, is not Bullseye level accuracy either.
#47 Posted by Strafe Prower (11887 posts) - - Show Bio

also, just because hawkeye shoots less, doesn't mean what he shoots is on the same level. Explosive arrows, can lead an opening for a regular arrow, or many other arrow combinations he uses.

#48 Posted by k4tzm4n (36395 posts) - - Show Bio
@Strafe Prower said:
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This comes to mind, when you say that lol.

And I am sure Deadshot, is not Bullseye level accuracy either. "

1) That's not 616.
2) Yes, he is.  I'm sure of this.  He has displayed this with guns several times.   
Strafe, it won't be easy with a stream of ACCURATE bullets and rockets heading towards Clint's head/body.
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#49 Posted by Omg chris (1607 posts) - - Show Bio

hawkeye (clint) ftw

#50 Posted by k4tzm4n (36395 posts) - - Show Bio

For those saying Clint, how many issues have you guys read involving Deadshot?

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