#1 Posted by Joygirl (19446 posts) - - Show Bio
Popgun-Mallet-Harley

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- In character (they are, however, trying to kill each other. They aren't as likely to go get nachos as stab each other's eyes out)

- 10 minutes prep

- Battlefield: Abandoned carnival

- Ravager gets her blades, knives, and a few grenades

- Harley gets mallet, popgun, and a few joker-bombs

- Pre-52 versions of both. Harley has her Ivy-given powers

#2 Posted by cascadeking09 (6752 posts) - - Show Bio

What can Harley do with her powers?

#3 Posted by Joygirl (19446 posts) - - Show Bio

@cascadeking09 said:

What can Harley do with her powers?

Bash heads in better. Her powers give her immunity to toxins and above-peak strength and agility. Also a little healing factor.

#4 Posted by cascadeking09 (6752 posts) - - Show Bio
@Joygirl: I think Im gonna go with Rose for now.  I dont really know much about Harley though.
#5 Posted by Joygirl (19446 posts) - - Show Bio

@cascadeking09 said:

I dont really know much about Harley though.

I feel so sorry for you. D: She's the best.

#6 Posted by cascadeking09 (6752 posts) - - Show Bio
@Joygirl: Lol
#7 Posted by Dextersinister (5994 posts) - - Show Bio

Harley Quinn will be destroyed going against anyone with decent combat training.

#8 Posted by FourthDeity (2234 posts) - - Show Bio

@Dextersinister said:

Harley Quinn will be destroyed going against anyone with decent combat training.

#9 Posted by Joygirl (19446 posts) - - Show Bio

@FourthDeity said:

@Dextersinister said:

Harley Quinn will be destroyed going against anyone with decent combat training.

Like she got destroyed by Catwoman and Two-Face.

Oh, right, she didn't.

#10 Posted by Dextersinister (5994 posts) - - Show Bio

@Joygirl said:

@FourthDeity said:

@Dextersinister said:

Harley Quinn will be destroyed going against anyone with decent combat training.

Like she got destroyed by Catwoman and Two-Face.

Oh, right, she didn't.

Don't know Catwomans background she may only have self-defense class training and I don't think Harvey has any but against even against a powerless Ravager it would be a massacre.

#11 Posted by HBKTimHBK (5242 posts) - - Show Bio

You can't ignore the fact that Harley can take care of herself, not saying she wins, but she's not a bad fighter.

#12 Posted by WorldEater (240 posts) - - Show Bio

Catwoman and Two-Face defeating Rose IS PIS!

#13 Posted by Joygirl (19446 posts) - - Show Bio

@Dextersinister said:

Don't know Catwomans background she may only have self-defense class training and I don't think Harvey has any but against even against a powerless Ravager it would be a massacre.

Nope, Two-Face has training similar to Batman's, so does Catwoman. They can both go toe-to-toe with Bruce Wayne, and so has Harley.

#14 Edited by HBKTimHBK (5242 posts) - - Show Bio

@Dextersinister:

#15 Posted by Dextersinister (5994 posts) - - Show Bio

I am aware of Catwoman getting good showings and maybe she received decent training from somewhere but a lot of the time certain characters will have these good showings based on their popularity more than anything else and will beat characters they should not even be in the same comic as.

#16 Posted by Joygirl (19446 posts) - - Show Bio
#17 Edited by HBKTimHBK (5242 posts) - - Show Bio

@Dextersinister: Catwoman has been consistently shown to be one of the bigger threats in the Bat Family. (Compared to Babs, Steph, Damian, Helena)

#18 Edited by Dextersinister (5994 posts) - - Show Bio

Suicide Squad was one of the few new 52's I picked up. I have nothing against Harley Quinn as a character and think she fits well with Batman's roques but she was a terrible edition to the Suicide Squad, Harley had no place in a team with highly trained assassins, mercs and super powered freaks. I tolerated her existence until she turned on the team in a terrible way. Less popular and more useful characters had been killed for far less but the lengths they went to keep her alive went against what the Suicide Squad was about, it was a massive blow to the integrity of the story because up until that point you believed anyone could die.

My point is not everyone needs to be known for there awesome combat skills because it sometimes just makes no sense.

#19 Posted by HBKTimHBK (5242 posts) - - Show Bio

@Dextersinister said:

Suicide Squad was one of the few new 52's I picked up. I have nothing against Harley Quinn as a character and think she fits well with Batman's roques but she was a terrible edition to the Suicide Squad, Harley had no place in a team with highly trained assassins, mercs and super powered freaks. I tolerated her existence until she turned on the team in a terrible way. Less popular and more useful characters had been killed for far less but the lengths they went to keep her alive went against what the Suicide Squad was about, it was a massive blow to the integrity of the story because up until that point you believed anyone could die.

...How does this play into a fight with Harley Quinn (Pre-Flashpoint)

#20 Posted by Dextersinister (5994 posts) - - Show Bio

@HBKTimHBK said:

@Dextersinister said:

Suicide Squad was one of the few new 52's I picked up. I have nothing against Harley Quinn as a character and think she fits well with Batman's roques but she was a terrible edition to the Suicide Squad, Harley had no place in a team with highly trained assassins, mercs and super powered freaks. I tolerated her existence until she turned on the team in a terrible way. Less popular and more useful characters had been killed for far less but the lengths they went to keep her alive went against what the Suicide Squad was about, it was a massive blow to the integrity of the story because up until that point you believed anyone could die.

...How does this play into a fight with Harley Quinn (Pre-Flashpoint)

It makes no sense why Harley would be good in a fight beyond main character power. She may have the occasional good showing but she had a time consuming career that involved little physical activity before she became Harley so how could she realistically compete with someone who's career is built around training and fighting. Batman's best villains are physically inferior to him and it's normally their actions outside of a fist fight that give him the most trouble, I'm sure there is a trope name for Harley's sudden combat upgrade when she joined her girl gang.

#21 Posted by Joygirl (19446 posts) - - Show Bio

@Dextersinister: She was a star gymnast in school, that's always been part of her character. Add craziness and superhuman statistics and you have a maniac that bounces around and bashes your head in. There's no reason she shouldn't be able to fight.

#22 Posted by blackadamFTW (7867 posts) - - Show Bio

Whoever wins, it would be close.

I might go with Ravager, though.

#23 Edited by Fuchsia_Nightingale (10180 posts) - - Show Bio

I'd say Rose 5.9 outta 1o

Harley can hold her own in the mecha of street heroes, but she gets one hit a lot so..

#24 Posted by Esquire (3833 posts) - - Show Bio

Ravager has precog, better physicals, and a hf. She also has far better fighting skills. Why is this a fair fight?

#25 Posted by Saren (25617 posts) - - Show Bio

Rose for a fairly sizable majority.

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#26 Posted by Strafe Prower (11887 posts) - - Show Bio

Im a huge Harley fan, but she loses here. She might get a win or 2 via creative strategies. She is just outclassed here. The only thing she has going for her is better acrobatics, but thats not enough to win a fight. Ravager is just better.

#27 Posted by Stronger (4948 posts) - - Show Bio

@Joygirl said:

@cascadeking09 said:

I dont really know much about Harley though.

I feel so sorry for you. D: She's the best.

Me too.

Go Harley Quinn!

#28 Posted by _Black (2302 posts) - - Show Bio

Ravager.

#29 Posted by Saren (25617 posts) - - Show Bio

@Joygirl said:

@FourthDeity said:

@Dextersinister said:

Harley Quinn will be destroyed going against anyone with decent combat training.

Like she got destroyed by Catwoman and Two-Face.

Oh, right, she didn't.

Two-Face is hardly the most spectacular H2H combatant and which fight between Catwoman and Harley are you referring to?

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#30 Posted by Killemall (18536 posts) - - Show Bio

Rose is being highly understated here; she’s got better stats than Harley and is probably more skilled. Not to mention she has heaps of feats to showcase her abilities, like being able to curbstomp Copperhead, easily beating Aquagirl, holding her own against Static Shock, holding her own twice against Batgirl (Cassy) and lost both times only because she was distracted by someone (Slade in one and inertia in the other) if anything she had the upper hand in both fights, held her own against Livewire etc. She got Harley beat 3:1 in terms of fighting feats here.

I see Rose winning something like 9/10, not to mention she has pre-cog and reflexes that borders on being superhuman.

#31 Posted by Joygirl (19446 posts) - - Show Bio

@CitizenBane: The one in Hush, it was short but clear-cut. Scans were posted.

#32 Posted by TDK_1997 (14702 posts) - - Show Bio

Ravager will take the majority and win.

#33 Edited by ShadowSilver (232 posts) - - Show Bio

Rose Wilson.

#34 Posted by Saren (25617 posts) - - Show Bio

@Joygirl said:

@CitizenBane: The one in Hush, it was short but clear-cut. Scans were posted.

Yeah, I just remembered. I wouldn't give Loeb's writing the time of day if it were a person, and Catwoman is certainly not un-shootable even though getting shot by Harley kinda disagrees with the times where she's dodged bullets from people like Deathstroke and Deadshot. That aside, Rose's feats are simply much better than Harley's. She's held her own against Cassandra Cain twice, she's stomped Copperhead and Persuader and then beaten Dreadbolt with no weapons and one hand behind her back, she's defeated Aquagirl, she even has a great showing against Deathstroke.

Slade's heart wasn't completely in it, but still: it's Deathstroke.

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#35 Edited by Saren (25617 posts) - - Show Bio

Of course, she also has showings were Slade just walks all over her...

And as far as agility goes, Rose is plenty agile herself.

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#36 Posted by HaydrianPayne (50 posts) - - Show Bio

@Strafe Prower said:

She might get a win or 2 via creative strategies. She is just outclassed here. The only thing she has going for her is better acrobatics, but thats not enough to win a fight. Ravager is just better.

This echoes my sentiments perfectly.

Ravager takes the majority, Harley Quinn might get a few hits in or even a KO through the use of the crazy strategies that she uses, but she is in no way skilled enough to take on Rose. Plus the fact that Rose can predict her will just serve to help her take the win.

#37 Posted by cascadeking09 (6752 posts) - - Show Bio
@Killemall said:

Rose is being highly understated here; she’s got better stats than Harley and is probably more skilled. Not to mention she has heaps of feats to showcase her abilities, like being able to curbstomp Copperhead, easily beating Aquagirl, holding her own against Static Shock, holding her own twice against Batgirl (Cassy) and lost both times only because she was distracted by someone (Slade in one and inertia in the other) if anything she had the upper hand in both fights, held her own against Livewire etc. She got Harley beat 3:1 in terms of fighting feats here.

I see Rose winning something like 9/10, not to mention she has pre-cog and reflexes that borders on being superhuman.

Actually the fight was interrupted with Rose on top of Cass.
#38 Posted by Saren (25617 posts) - - Show Bio

@Killemall said:

Rose is being highly understated here; she’s got better stats than Harley and is probably more skilled. Not to mention she has heaps of feats to showcase her abilities, like being able to curbstomp Copperhead, easily beating Aquagirl, holding her own against Static Shock, holding her own twice against Batgirl (Cassy) and lost both times only because she was distracted by someone (Slade in one and inertia in the other) if anything she had the upper hand in both fights, held her own against Livewire etc. She got Harley beat 3:1 in terms of fighting feats here.

I see Rose winning something like 9/10, not to mention she has pre-cog and reflexes that borders on being superhuman.

As I recall she was pretty helpless against Static, especially since he was bloodlusted at the time. Am I missing something?

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#39 Posted by batfan1939 (364 posts) - - Show Bio

Rose stomps. This is so clear, this thread is borderline spite. Rose vs BATMAN would be interesting, Harley's ONLY advantage in most fights is her strength and speed (and gymnastics -- she was olympic-level BEFORE Ivy gave her the upgrade). Even with her enhancements, she's always been a B- or C-class villain, closer to the Hatter or Scarecrow than Joker or Two-Face (whenever she works with an A-lister, she ends up being a follower/sidekick -- even with Ivy, who gives her a lot of leeway and encouragement). Harley's psychiatry skills mean that she may actually find prep useful, but not nearly in the some way as Rose.The fact that Rose could take Cassandra Cain is proof enough that she outclasses Harley, Catwoman, and anyone else in Gotham (except Batman and maybe Nightwing). Rose wins this 9/10 or 10/10, as Harley has shown some impressive prep/psych feats (mostly in her own book).

#40 Posted by Saren (25617 posts) - - Show Bio

Rose with prep took out Bombshell and Wonder Girl. Gonna say she's better at that, too.

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#41 Posted by Joygirl (19446 posts) - - Show Bio

Admittedly, I never knew Rose's feats that well. I looked at a few battle threads and saw people saying she'd lose to people like Elektra, so I didn't consider her a heavy hitter, just a street level badass with some precog. Also: Harley was agile enough to evade Robin, Nightwing, and Cass at the same time, and escape. Just a note, even though I see it likely won't change anything.

#42 Posted by wildvine (9087 posts) - - Show Bio

@Joygirl said:

@FourthDeity said:

@Dextersinister said:

Harley Quinn will be destroyed going against anyone with decent combat training.

Like she got destroyed by Catwoman and Two-Face.

Oh, right, she didn't.

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#43 Posted by XiiX (8039 posts) - - Show Bio

Ravager don't play.......

#44 Posted by JediXMan (30344 posts) - - Show Bio

Ravager wins after a decent fight. With precog on... I don't know about stomp, but it wouldn't be hard.

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