#1 Posted by heymanjack (716 posts) - - Show Bio

Who wins?

Straight up hand to hand combat.

#2 Posted by cameron83 (7630 posts) - - Show Bio

cap

#3 Posted by grimlock (1571 posts) - - Show Bio

@heymanjack said:

Who wins?

Straight up hand to hand combat.

elaborate depowered

#4 Posted by Dextersinister (6456 posts) - - Show Bio

Cap's fighting prowess is heavily dependent on his serum enhanced brain that and he is a very small man without it. This is brutally one sided.

#5 Posted by XEL820 (230 posts) - - Show Bio

@Dextersinister said:

Cap's fighting prowess is heavily dependent on his serum enhanced brain that and he is a very small man without it. This is brutally one sided.

Not saying that you're wrong necessarily, but that argument is invalid (I'm linking because the internet at the airport sucks and uploading takes too long):

http://i663.photobucket.com/albums/uu355/ankur29/steveSS3_012.jpg

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http://i663.photobucket.com/albums/uu355/ankur29/steveSS3_015.jpg

http://i663.photobucket.com/albums/uu355/ankur29/steveSS3_016.jpg

http://i663.photobucket.com/albums/uu355/ankur29/steveSS3_017.jpg

#6 Posted by Dextersinister (6456 posts) - - Show Bio

@XEL820: That's just a trope where a normally super powered character is still highly effective when they lose their powers.

Training back then just doesn't hold a candle to modern days, a lot of people agree that Cap's rep as one of the best h2h would need to be because of the formula to avoid marty suedom. Nothing wrong with utilizing a superpower to give you an edge, I personally think badass normal's more often than not depend on PIS and plot armour to justify fighting beside supers.

#7 Posted by KMART4455 (1290 posts) - - Show Bio

@grimlock said:

@heymanjack said:

Who wins?

Straight up hand to hand combat.

elaborate depowered

#8 Posted by grimlock (1571 posts) - - Show Bio

if depowered means out with the serum (because i don't know of any other way to depower cap), cap cant win against DD.to put it straight DD would mop the floor with cap

#9 Posted by God_Spawn (38245 posts) - - Show Bio

I would typically put Cap and Daredevil on the same level skill wise with Steve's stats giving him the slight majority in a normal encounter. Depowering him doesn't get rid of his skill level but it does hamper him below Daredevil's stat level to where Matt has the stat edge and combined with his radar sense should put him over Rogers every time.

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#10 Posted by Morpheus_ (29873 posts) - - Show Bio
Daredevil every time.
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#11 Posted by SHAZAM117 (3600 posts) - - Show Bio

DD ftw...no super soldier serum (which is what I'm assuming depowering Cap means) is a huge disadvantage going up against Murdock whom is not only just as good as Cap h2h (if not better imo) but has his hieghtened senses and sonar. Cap needs the serum to balance out the fight

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#12 Posted by KMART4455 (1290 posts) - - Show Bio

@SHAZAM117 said:

DD ftw...no super soldier serum (which is what I'm assuming depowering Cap means) is a huge disadvantage going up against Murdock whom is not only just as good as Cap h2h (if not better imo) but has his hieghtened senses and sonar. Cap needs the serum to balance out the fight

I agree with all but the bold.

Cap should have a big majority as far as skillfulness at h2h is concerned.... He is widely proclaimed to be one of the best h2h fighters in marvel.

#13 Posted by Saren (26027 posts) - - Show Bio

Depowered as in Streets of Poison level or Steve Rogers: Super Soldier level? Matt would win in either scenario, but if it's the latter he'd stomp.

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#14 Posted by SHAZAM117 (3600 posts) - - Show Bio

@KMART4455....Agreed.. Tho the same agruement could be made for Murdock in the h2h dept as well

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#15 Posted by Alexander505 (2177 posts) - - Show Bio

Devil win.

#16 Edited by FourthDeity (2234 posts) - - Show Bio

@SHAZAM117 said:

DD ftw...no super soldier serum (which is what I'm assuming depowering Cap means) is a huge disadvantage going up against Murdock whom is not only just as good as Cap h2h (if not better imo) but has his hieghtened senses and sonar. Cap needs the serum to balance out the fight

Cap could only take one to two shots from DD before he's out.

#17 Posted by TDK_1997 (15085 posts) - - Show Bio

Daredevil would win every time.

#18 Posted by BringnIt (3809 posts) - - Show Bio

So Cap is depowered and pitted against someone who is arguably as good, or at least very close, as he is when Cap is at normal levels?

#19 Posted by Alexander505 (2177 posts) - - Show Bio

Cap can not win. Depowered, Steve is less than an Olympic athlete. In contrast, Devil is almost the same levels of peak human like Cap. Cap absolutely can not win here.

#20 Posted by Dane (10632 posts) - - Show Bio

Daredevil stalemates Cap when he's got the serum. Probably an ill-conceived thread idea.

#21 Posted by ChaosBlazer (3930 posts) - - Show Bio

Daredevil...

Cap is more skilled, but not by much. Cap without his stat advantage loses.

#22 Posted by darkhunter89 (573 posts) - - Show Bio

Daredevil wrecks him

#23 Posted by dondave (38820 posts) - - Show Bio

Matt

#24 Posted by GhostRavage (9320 posts) - - Show Bio

Murdock.

#25 Edited by Wolverine08 (45181 posts) - - Show Bio

Daredevil 7-7.5/10 with both combatants having no powers to aide them.

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#26 Posted by dondave (38820 posts) - - Show Bio
#27 Edited by Wolverine08 (45181 posts) - - Show Bio

@dondave said:

@wolverine08 How does Cap get 3/10 wins?

Well, I thought depowered would mean no Radar Sense, which is why I thought it'd be more even. If Steve has no enhanced physicals while Matt keeps the Radar Sense/superhuman avoidance, Daredevil sweeps.

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#28 Edited by btebaldi (34 posts) - - Show Bio

I really like Cap, but, depending on the setting DD would have the upper hand against Cap even with the serum (like in a dark room or something). DD is a formidable opponent. I am not a DD reader, but i do know that he is very agile, has incredible senses, and is pretty good at martial arts.

now, if you are depowering cap, and I understand is without the super soldier serum (and I will asume he can keep his physique). And is a hand to hand, so, no shield. Then I would say DD would own caps ass.