Location: Tokyo, Japan streets - Both opponents are at full power. - Morals are off. - No Prep-time. - Both opponents can use any weapon around them. - Win is by KO or Death. Who wins?
Actually, I am more confident in Smith's victory. I just read the "full power" part. That would mean there are billions of Smiths running around. Yes, one is greater than the others (the one copied from the Oracle), but the others are also very powerful. Individually, each is greater than an agent.
IRDC how many agent smiths are around. If hancock is at full power and wats-er-name is like on another planet, they wouldnt even be able to hurt hancock soo
Is this virtual Tokyo or real world Tokyo? Agent Smith's abilities only exist in the vitual world. If it's the virtual world Hancock doesn't stand a chance.
" IRDC how many agent smiths are around. If hancock is at full power and wats-er-name is like on another planet, they wouldnt even be able to hurt hancock soo "
That's because the only people he fought were normal humans with normal weapons. Smith is beyond superhuman.
TC said full power, so I would assume that would mean all of the Smiths of the Matrix. He basically had control of all of the people in the Matrix, which I believe amounts to a few billion - I don't remember the exact number, if it was even specified.
@JediXMan: Hancock fought the super-chick for a bit before he started to weaken. He also threw a full-grown whale out to sea, and took a freight train head-on without budging, so his feats put him quite a bit higher than Smith. His nails are also apparently sharp enough to shave with, and he's much better than Smith seems to be about improvising weapons from pretty much whatever happens to be nearby.
By "full power," I would assume just the one Smith who was fighting Neo at the end. Not sure why his army would be included, but even if it were, it's not even clear if they are all capable of flying, or just that one. If they can't, then Hancock could pretty easily just fly around picking them off, though it would take quite a while, but that just becomes a war of attrition. If they can, then it might be possible to overwhelm him, but I think they'd lose quite a few in the process.
As far as the population of the Matrix goes, I'm pretty sure it was never stated (though it might have been in the Animatrix; haven't seen that in a while), but the Matrix was built after a vicious global war with the machines, so I doubt there were billions of people left at that point. I'm also just doubtful the machines could have built structures capable of supporting that many people so quickly after the sun got blocked out. And really, when you think about it, pretty much all of the scenes we are shown in the Matrix seem to take place in a single city. Maybe it's more than one, but if it is, they all look pretty similar, and they are all definitely American. The one exception I can remember is when Neo ends up in the mountains chasing the Merovingian, but it's not like there was anyone there. So the Matrix might not actually support that many people (although that's a relative statement; it could still make for quite a lot of Smith's to fight off, just not billions).
1. That is true. Hancock is more inventive, while Smith is more direct. I doubt Smith could win in a true fight. I just wonder if he'd be able to corrupt Hancock. 2. Smith is not a single person. He is an entity consisting of countless duplicates. But yes, it's likely that the most powerful is the one that fought Neo, for that was the Oracle. 3. I don't know if it's ever stated. But you have to remember: this was five hundred years after the war between humans and man. The Architect said that there were five other Zions before. It is theorized that Morpheus' statement that it was closer to 2199 is incorrect, that it's more like 2699.
Smith may have said that the Matrix had billions of people. Not sure, though. But remember: that's just the humans. Smith also corrupted the programs, like the agents, and the Exiles.
" IRDC how many agent smiths are around. If hancock is at full power and wats-er-name is like on another planet, they wouldnt even be able to hurt hancock soo "
this is all that even needs to be said. Smith couldn't take out neo with 200 smiths running around.....hancocks punches would literally rip the smiths in half. He would beat them to death with trains
Also to the guy saying no one can hurt hancock cause all he has fought is humans..yeah that dr manhattan argument isn't going to work because his wife couldnt hurt him and shes stronger than hancock......nor did a train. Train>>>smith
a train didnt, bullets to the face didnt (which kill smiths and neo), getting hit by his wife who is god level, gettin hit by a truck BY his wife, etc...smith got his ass kicked by neo...hancock is at very worst neo with super strength
Seriously whats stoping Smith from corrupting Hancock? In which ever world you put it it turns into a rape for one or the other.... Real world would mean Godomp in Hancocks favor and Virtual world Mr. Han is getting his cock handed to him......
" I see Hancock having too much of a time with Smith. Neo can see without eyes. With a wave of his hands, everything can blow up around him. Neo also can stop time, like he did with all the bullets. On top of that, Smith stood more of a chance against him. "
1. This isn't Neo. And seeing without eyes doesn't matter, since the fight was in the Matrix. 2. He can't stop time. He was able to stop the bullets because the bullets are not real. It could also be seen as telekinesis, as shown when he used TK to grab swords in Reloaded.
@JediXMan: I'm classifying Smith had taken out someone that can see without eyes, and there's no proof that Hancock can see without eyes. Is this fight in the Matrix? I don't remember if it was intended to be or not.
... he didn't take out someone who could see without eyes. Neo killed Smith in the real world. And in the Matrix, Smith actually beat Neo. Neo won through PIS. It was how Neo worked. Neo was the anti-virus, Smith was the virus.
I don't understand how anybody can assume it's out of the Matrix. I mean, really. It would be a HUMAN vs a superpowered being. Smith has NO feats in the real world beyond beating two people in hand-to-hand who also had zero fighting skills.
I don't see how Hancock could stand a chance here, I assume the fight takes place inside the matix (otherwise why battle with agent smith) so therefore Agent Smith wins, given that Hancock is not "the one" there isn't really much he could do, even with his strength, Smith would be stronger faster smarter and on top of that, he would be everywhere.
@JediXMan: You're getting off topic. Have you seen all the films? Remember when Neo's eyes were damaged and bandaged up, and he could still see everything in a form of light? So yes, Smith did beat Neo. And yes, Neo can see without his eyes.
In the Maxtrix, he's pretty much a God. You can call him a virus if you'd like. My question still is, how would Smith lose in the program?
1. Blinding Neo does not constitute victory. Neo lived. Neo killed Smith's clone/copy that resided in the real world (Bane). And Neo didn't gain that second sight until after he was blinded and during the fight with Bane. And yes, I have watched the movie multiple times. And you're the one that brought this up.
2. He had the potential the become a god if he escaped the Matrix. And I said earlier than I think Smith would win. But I disagree with what you said.
@JediXMan: I still don't understand what you're getting at. I've said Smith defeated Neo and Neo can see without using his eyes, and that's a fact we all know. I never said Neo used that ability when he fought Smith though. I clearly was just stating an ability Neo has.
You could consider him a God while in the Maxtrix by feats. I never said anyone confirmed that he was.
Hold on. I'm saying that in the real world, in the battle where Neo was blinded by Smith, Neo won - he bashed in Smith's head and went to the Machine City. True or false? In the Matrix, Smith won but Neo won through PIS. True or false?
Yes, that fight. Neo WON. How can you possibly say Smith won? It ended with Smith's "death" and Neo was wounded, not killed. Sounds like a victory for Neo. Explain.
@JediXMan: When did I ever say Neo defeated Smith without using his eyes or Smith defeated Neo without Neo using his eyes? At the start of the fight in the rain and til the end before Smith tried turning Neo into an Agent, I'll have to say Smith was destroying Neo in the fight. Neo won in the end, yes, but prior to his death the majority of the fight appears to been in Smith's favor.
other than assimilation, what could smith even do? what's her name smashed him over the head with a truck and Hancock was fine. hancock took an uzi to the eye and was fine. Hancock is too durable for the smiths to be able to take him down. plus he's strong enough to effectively one shot them. even if there are billions of smiths, i don't see how hancock could lose this.
" other than assimilation, what could smith even do? what's her name smashed him over the head with a truck and Hancock was fine. hancock took an uzi to the eye and was fine. Hancock is too durable for the smiths to be able to take him down. plus he's strong enough to effectively one shot them. even if there are billions of smiths, i don't see how hancock could lose this. "
So then Smith would have eventually turned into every person on the planet (in the matrix) and Hancock would have killed him all leaving him the only man left on the planet..... ..... .....
Well, Smith was able to pierce Neo's body ( I believe in the first movie) with his hand, but so could bullets. Bullets bounce away from Hancock like guys bounce away from a girl with bad breath. So, he should be durable enough against one smith. Against all of them, I'm not too sure of.
" @GLforHIRE: Can Hancock see without eyes, and cause everything around him to blow up with a simple wave of his hand like Neo did? "
does that even matter? we will never know if hancock can see without eyes because HES INVINCIBLE!!! unlike neo and smith who die from basic human stuff... so unless agent smith is really Charlize Theron, hes not doing much damage to hancock who would just slap him into orbit after calling him a asshole...and assimilating hancock wouldnt work since neo was able to pull his hand out of him and a)hancock is again invincible, b) how much stronger than neo? so no, smith wouldnt really stand a chance and even if smith took everyone in the world over (like he tried in the movie AND LOST) hancock would just homerun derby them all...what, is smith gonna punch him? no....shoot him? no....throw him in front of a subway train? no...so yea
" @GLforHIRE: Can Hancock see without eyes, and cause everything around him to blow up with a simple wave of his hand like Neo did? "
does that even matter? we will never know if hancock can see without eyes because HES INVINCIBLE!!! unlike neo and smith who die from basic human stuff... so unless agent smith is really Charlize Theron, hes not doing much damage to hancock who would just slap him into orbit after calling him a asshole...and assimilating hancock wouldnt work since neo was able to pull his hand out of him and a)hancock is again invincible, b) how much stronger than neo? so no, smith wouldnt really stand a chance and even if smith took everyone in the world over (like he tried in the movie AND LOST) hancock would just homerun derby them all...what, is smith gonna punch him? no....shoot him? no....throw him in front of a subway train? no...so yea "
If you didnt notice in the last movies there was a lot that happened to them that should have,and would have for hat matter killed a regular human I agree Hancock would win this but its only due to feats.Smith has none but it was very much implied that he could do pretty much anything in the matrix but again no feats. When Smith took over everyone in the world he lost due to PIS
And BTW if Smith took over everyone on the planet for this that would include charlize theron just sayin
@GLforHIRE: Actually, it's debatable if by the end of the third film could bullets, a train, ect still hurt or even kill Smith. Look at crash at 6:03. That's far more devastating than any bullet or train crash. Just look at the large a$$ hole in the ground that was made, and Smith is still left standing with not even a slight sign of pain.
" Location: Tokyo, Japan streets - Both opponents are at full power. - Morals are off. - No Prep-time. - Both opponents can use any weapon around them. - Win is by KO or Death. Who wins?
Agent Smith "
hancock can beat smithy, but kill him, i don't think so, unless he copy neo strategy like kill the machine in the real world
it doesnt matter if in the matrix or the real world there both at full power. im going with hancock for this one. due to hancock durability i dont see how smith can hurt him.
i also want to note how is hancock going to tag him when smith is a martial arts master. and maybe faster (agiilty wise). smith is able to dodge bullets effortlessly(in the first film when he was at his weakest). not to mention he has pre cog ability to the point of being all knowing (or close to it).
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