" I've never seen anything that would lead me to believe that Hal, or any earth GL, has enhanced reflexes. Good reflexes? Definately. A great top speed and a ring that, considering its other amazing powers, is probably what keeps him from crashing into things at said top speed? Sure. But reflexes on par with Wonder Woman? Not even close. "
"Hal has taken on Mongul and won, several times in fact. It's not like he can't dish out such level of force. "
When he had Parallax...On paper, Mongul should destroy Hal. "
1. According to retcon, Hal got Parallax only after coast city was destroyed. Mongul beating was immediately after coast city. 2. Hal beat mongul jr. in his latest series too.
i've never seen anything by Hal that puts him above other GLs..
Actually i saw Hal mentioning some of the unique abilities of other GLs when he and Guy were rescuing them from the manhunters..
He was explaining a GL whose species' thought patterns were so incredibly fast, his ring would flash a command on and off like a flicker, he talked about GL whose constructs formed like a web, and of a giant rock guy who only uses his ring for backup, and just destroys things with his bare fists... there were others he mentioned but they don't stand out in my mind at the moment...... Also Hal seemed wary of them, because these were all GL's thta Parallax tried to kill.......
But Hal was around the longest of modern GL's... so fanboys try to give him seniority..
the main question when fighting any GL is are you faster than a thought? Hal or any GL hurting superman is kinda lame cause superman and flash can both take that ring off the user before they ever think about an attack. WW is always billed as a equal to superman she fast but I dont know how fast? if she faster than hal jordan thought process then she wins. if not she mostlikely looses.
Hal is way overrated as the greatest GL. he may be the most known but Kyle is way more powerful and better in just about ever way. Hal is no better than the other human GL's he maybe the leader and with that come the bravery and such but never think for a min that he out classes Kyle.
the main question when fighting any GL is are you faster than a thought? Hal or any GL hurting superman is kinda lame cause superman and flash can both take that ring off the user before they ever think about an attack. WW is always billed as a equal to superman she fast but I dont know how fast? if she faster than hal jordan thought process then she wins. if not she mostlikely looses. Hal is way overrated as the greatest GL. he may be the most known but Kyle is way more powerful and better in just about ever way. Hal is no better than the other human GL's he maybe the leader and with that come the bravery and such but never think for a min that he out classes Kyle.
GLs getting their rings taken off by fast opponents seems like just dumb writing to me. The GL ring's auto-shield should always kick in whenever anything threatens the GL, like for example a fast moving object coming towards him. Even if it's not an automatic action the ring takes, we know the GL can order the ring to attack fast moving objects. Why wouldnt any GL just order the ring to always protect him from getting the ring taken away, like as soon as they're given the ring? Seems like that'd be like lesson 1 of being a GL, otherwise any idiot with super speed would go around collecting power rings and killing lanterns.
And, Hal is a greater GL than Kyle because of his determination, will power, and fearlessness. Kyle is very creative which is great, but Hal is the man.
Hal would be able to react to a morals on Diana, letting him beat her.
Morals off Diana would insta-blitz.
I dont think Wonder Woman ever LET anyone beat her. With Wonder Woman's standard morals she is capable of killing when necessary. I don't see how morals make a difference.
@FanteFun: I'm not saying that Wonder Woman is going to let him win. I'm just saying she's less likely to try and snap his neck if she has morals on. If Hal can get his hands on her, I think he should win.
@FanteFun: I'm not saying that Wonder Woman is going to let him win. I'm just saying she's less likely to try and snap his neck if she has morals on. If Hal can get his hands on her, I think he should win.
ok well the explanation is kind of vague. anyway Wonder Woman does not have to snap his neck to win she can break plenty of bones which will result in a morals on non fatal win. Wonder Woman easily breaks his constructs so I just dont see what Hal can do to her if he "gets his hands on her"
N52 Wonder Woman has been shown to be far superior to Hal.
Look how old the thread is, this isn't DCnU versions.
the thread evolves....this is the most recent version of the characters from my understanding
No, because then all the previous arguments would be invalidated. When you create a new thread, in involves current version (unless stated otherwise). If the version changes you need to create a new thread to apply to those versions.
N52 Wonder Woman has been shown to be far superior to Hal.
Look how old the thread is, this isn't DCnU versions.
the thread evolves....this is the most recent version of the characters from my understanding
No, because then all the previous arguments would be invalidated. When you create a new thread, in involves current version (unless stated otherwise). If the version changes you need to create a new thread to apply to those versions.
Then they are invalidated. I am not going to make a new thread for this. Also all the other threads don't create new threads for 52 versions that would be chaos.
N52 Wonder Woman has been shown to be far superior to Hal.
Look how old the thread is, this isn't DCnU versions.
the thread evolves....this is the most recent version of the characters from my understanding
No, because then all the previous arguments would be invalidated. When you create a new thread, in involves current version (unless stated otherwise). If the version changes you need to create a new thread to apply to those versions.
1) Then they are invalidated. 2)I am not going to make a new thread for this.
1) Right, because the new guy/girl says so
2) Talking about irrelevant version of characters is the same as talking about irrelevant characters and that is against the rules.
@FanteFun said:
Also all the other threads don't create new threads for 52 versions that would be chaos.
Actually they do, its not chaos, most people read the descriptions to understand the versions being used
Case and point, a match with "New 52 Superman" and "New 52 Wonder Woman"
There are also threads with different version of Superman and Wonder Women, does it make sense to have every version battle it out in one thread, or have separate threads for the versions being used?
@FanteFun: I'm not saying that Wonder Woman is going to let him win. I'm just saying she's less likely to try and snap his neck if she has morals on. If Hal can get his hands on her, I think he should win.
ok well the explanation is kind of vague. anyway Wonder Woman does not have to snap his neck to win she can break plenty of bones which will result in a morals on non fatal win. Wonder Woman easily breaks his constructs so I just dont see what Hal can do to her if he "gets his hands on her"
Wonder Woman easily breaks New 52 Hal's constructs.
Hal's constructs have shielded him from a planet busting attack, and two inferior GL's have survived a supernova, so I don't think Wonder Woman will be breaking them easily.
Also, I think Hal should be able to react to Wonder Woman. He's caught Zoom before, so he should be able to catch her.
N52 Wonder Woman has been shown to be far superior to Hal.
Look how old the thread is, this isn't DCnU versions.
the thread evolves....this is the most recent version of the characters from my understanding
No, because then all the previous arguments would be invalidated. When you create a new thread, in involves current version (unless stated otherwise). If the version changes you need to create a new thread to apply to those versions.
1) Then they are invalidated. 2)I am not going to make a new thread for this.
1) Right, because the new guy/girl says so
2) Talking about irrelevant version of characters is the same as talking about irrelevant characters and that is against the rules.
@FanteFun said:
Also all the other threads don't create new threads for 52 versions that would be chaos.
Actually they do, its not chaos, most people read the descriptions to understand the versions being used
Case and point, a match with "New 52 Superman" and "New 52 Wonder Woman"
There are also threads with different version of Superman and Wonder Women, does it make sense to have every version battle it out in one thread, or have separate threads for the versions being used?
Great easy solution create a 52 thread for this then because I am not going to do it. a lot of the 52 events have been reconnected.
@FanteFun: I'm not saying that Wonder Woman is going to let him win. I'm just saying she's less likely to try and snap his neck if she has morals on. If Hal can get his hands on her, I think he should win.
ok well the explanation is kind of vague. anyway Wonder Woman does not have to snap his neck to win she can break plenty of bones which will result in a morals on non fatal win. Wonder Woman easily breaks his constructs so I just dont see what Hal can do to her if he "gets his hands on her"
Wonder Woman easily breaks New 52 Hal's constructs.
Hal's constructs have shielded him from a planet busting attack, and two inferior GL's have survived a supernova, so I don't think Wonder Woman will be breaking them easily.
Also, I think Hal should be able to react to Wonder Woman. He's caught Zoom before, so he should be able to catch her.
I looks like she has NO trouble breaking them to me.
@FanteFun: I'm not saying that Wonder Woman is going to let him win. I'm just saying she's less likely to try and snap his neck if she has morals on. If Hal can get his hands on her, I think he should win.
ok well the explanation is kind of vague. anyway Wonder Woman does not have to snap his neck to win she can break plenty of bones which will result in a morals on non fatal win. Wonder Woman easily breaks his constructs so I just dont see what Hal can do to her if he "gets his hands on her"
Wonder Woman easily breaks New 52 Hal's constructs.
Hal's constructs have shielded him from a planet busting attack, and two inferior GL's have survived a supernova, so I don't think Wonder Woman will be breaking them easily.
Also, I think Hal should be able to react to Wonder Woman. He's caught Zoom before, so he should be able to catch her.
I looks like she has NO trouble breaking them to me.
Well in the new 52 his constructs seem about as powerful as paper glass. they ruined Hal. Supes and Diana have both broken his constructs with extreme ease its almost pathetic.
N52 Wonder Woman has been shown to be far superior to Hal.
Look how old the thread is, this isn't DCnU versions.
the thread evolves....this is the most recent version of the characters from my understanding
No, because then all the previous arguments would be invalidated. When you create a new thread, in involves current version (unless stated otherwise). If the version changes you need to create a new thread to apply to those versions.
1) Then they are invalidated. 2)I am not going to make a new thread for this.
1) Right, because the new guy/girl says so
2) Talking about irrelevant version of characters is the same as talking about irrelevant characters and that is against the rules.
@FanteFun said:
Also all the other threads don't create new threads for 52 versions that would be chaos.
Actually they do, its not chaos, most people read the descriptions to understand the versions being used
Case and point, a match with "New 52 Superman" and "New 52 Wonder Woman"
There are also threads with different version of Superman and Wonder Women, does it make sense to have every version battle it out in one thread, or have separate threads for the versions being used?
Great easy solution create a 52 thread for this then because I am not going to do it. a lot of the 52 events have been reconnected.
N52 Wonder Woman has been shown to be far superior to Hal.
Look how old the thread is, this isn't DCnU versions.
the thread evolves....this is the most recent version of the characters from my understanding
No, because then all the previous arguments would be invalidated. When you create a new thread, in involves current version (unless stated otherwise). If the version changes you need to create a new thread to apply to those versions.
1) Then they are invalidated. 2)I am not going to make a new thread for this.
1) Right, because the new guy/girl says so
2) Talking about irrelevant version of characters is the same as talking about irrelevant characters and that is against the rules.
@FanteFun said:
Also all the other threads don't create new threads for 52 versions that would be chaos.
Actually they do, its not chaos, most people read the descriptions to understand the versions being used
Case and point, a match with "New 52 Superman" and "New 52 Wonder Woman"
There are also threads with different version of Superman and Wonder Women, does it make sense to have every version battle it out in one thread, or have separate threads for the versions being used?
Great easy solution create a 52 thread for this then because I am not going to do it. a lot of the 52 events have been reconnected.
I'm glad you understand that
yes very much so...but still I see no point to create another thread
@FanteFun: New 52 power levels are not the same as pre 52 power levels and the constructs Diana broke were from a random trainee GL. There is also the fact that The current JL series is iffy when it comes to power levels. He had the League manhandle Darkseid for Christs sake.
@FanteFun: New 52 power levels are not the same as pre 52 power levels and the constructs Diana broke were from a random trainee GL. There is also the fact that The current JL series is iffy when it comes to power levels. He had the League manhandle Darkseid for Christs sake.
The Pre 52 Green Lantern was not a trainee He was a full green lantern He was not at Hals level but he was a full green lantern. Not a trainee
and as far as I am concerned the 52 is the Current version. and its clear Wonder Woman can break is constructs quite easily.
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