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#1 Posted by majestic99 (8638 posts) - - Show Bio

Hal Jordan

vs

Superman

Superman traveling at light speed

Both bloodlusted, takes place in space, win by death.

#2 Posted by blackadamFTW (7867 posts) - - Show Bio

Both have absolutely ridiculous feats.

I can't decide...

#3 Posted by jeduhu (84 posts) - - Show Bio

Precrisis supes... all the way. Hal is strong but SA Supes bloodlusted is just too much for any GL.

#4 Posted by nickzambuto (12871 posts) - - Show Bio

@blackadamFTW said:

Both have absolutely ridiculous feats.

I can't decide...

What has pre-crisis GL done that compares with pulling a solar system to a new galaxy on a giant chain?

#5 Posted by majestic99 (8638 posts) - - Show Bio

@blackadamFTW said:

Both have absolutely ridiculous feats.

I can't decide...

PIS feats, lol.

What are pc Superman's feats?

@jeduhu said:

Precrisis supes... all the way. Hal is strong but SA Supes bloodlusted is just too much for any GL.

Except for PC Hal, whose feats include, but are not limited to:

  • shielding himself from a supernova
  • soloing the justice league
  • creating a force field not even PC Ultrman could shatter
  • traveling backwards through time
  • scanning an entire planet full of aliens and being able to determine their weakness
  • busting planets(on accident)
  • destroying starships the size of the moon
  • totally blocking out telepathy
#6 Posted by blackadamFTW (7867 posts) - - Show Bio

@nickzambuto said:

@blackadamFTW said:

Both have absolutely ridiculous feats.

I can't decide...

What has pre-crisis GL done that compares with pulling a solar system to a new galaxy on a giant chain?

Well, he could teleport (really create space warps, but it's basically the same thing) like it was nothing, and he could time travel just as easily. He's also been able to stop (well, basically stop) time. His strength isn't too bad either. The his constructs have survived a supernova rather easily.

#7 Posted by majestic99 (8638 posts) - - Show Bio

@blackadamFTW: Forcefield withstood a supernova.

#8 Posted by blackadamFTW (7867 posts) - - Show Bio

@majestic99 said:

@blackadamFTW: Forcefield withstood a supernova.

They're the same thing.

#9 Posted by majestic99 (8638 posts) - - Show Bio

@blackadamFTW: I specified what type of construct.

#10 Posted by blackadamFTW (7867 posts) - - Show Bio

@majestic99 said:

@blackadamFTW: I specified what type of construct.

Alright.

#11 Posted by majestic99 (8638 posts) - - Show Bio

@blackadamFTW: I'm picky. If you don't like it, tell me.

#12 Posted by FourthDeity (2234 posts) - - Show Bio

@majestic99 said:

@blackadamFTW said:

Both have absolutely ridiculous feats.

I can't decide...

PIS feats, lol.

What are pc Superman's feats?

@jeduhu said:

Precrisis supes... all the way. Hal is strong but SA Supes bloodlusted is just too much for any GL.

Except for PC Hal, whose feats include, but are not limited to:

  • shielding himself from a supernova
  • soloing the justice league
  • creating a force field not even PC Ultrman could shatter
  • traveling backwards through time
  • scanning an entire planet full of aliens and being able to determine their weakness
  • busting planets(on accident)
  • destroying starships the size of the moon
  • totally blocking out telepathy

Is it me or has the justice league been solo'd multiple times??

#13 Posted by majestic99 (8638 posts) - - Show Bio

@FourthDeity: It's you.

#14 Posted by blackadamFTW (7867 posts) - - Show Bio

@majestic99 said:

@blackadamFTW: I'm picky. If you don't like it, tell me.

Don't like what?

#15 Posted by majestic99 (8638 posts) - - Show Bio

@blackadamFTW: That I have to be specific.

#16 Posted by blackadamFTW (7867 posts) - - Show Bio

@majestic99 said:

@blackadamFTW: That I have to be specific.

I don't mind.

#17 Posted by majestic99 (8638 posts) - - Show Bio

@blackadamFTW: Cool.

#18 Posted by WillPayton (9155 posts) - - Show Bio

@nickzambuto said:

@blackadamFTW said:

Both have absolutely ridiculous feats.

I can't decide...

What has pre-crisis GL done that compares with pulling a solar system to a new galaxy on a giant chain?

Pre-Crisis GL could do this. Does he need anything else?

Green Lantern wins.

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#19 Posted by Immortal777 (6870 posts) - - Show Bio

@WillPayton: Hal would need to use that kryptonite construct before he got his neck snapped.

#20 Posted by WillPayton (9155 posts) - - Show Bio

@Immortal777 said:

@WillPayton: Hal would need to use that kryptonite construct before he got his neck snapped.

That's true. Is there evidence that pre-Crisis Supes is faster than Hal?

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#21 Posted by Immortal777 (6870 posts) - - Show Bio

@WillPayton said:

@Immortal777 said:

@WillPayton: Hal would need to use that kryptonite construct before he got his neck snapped.

That's true. Is there evidence that pre-Crisis Supes is faster than Hal?

Besides Hal being human.

#22 Posted by jeduhu (84 posts) - - Show Bio
@Immortal777 said:

@WillPayton said:

@Immortal777 said:

@WillPayton: Hal would need to use that kryptonite construct before he got his neck snapped.

That's true. Is there evidence that pre-Crisis Supes is faster than Hal?

Besides Hal being human.

Very good point. There should be quite a bit of Supes feats too... traveling back in time. FTL travel. Ridiculous strength feats. The fact that GL could make kryponoite is kind of PIS....I mean, I've seen that argument shot down a few times. 
#23 Posted by WillPayton (9155 posts) - - Show Bio

@Immortal777 said:

@WillPayton said:

@Immortal777 said:

@WillPayton: Hal would need to use that kryptonite construct before he got his neck snapped.

That's true. Is there evidence that pre-Crisis Supes is faster than Hal?

Besides Hal being human.

The ring makes this irrelevant.

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#24 Posted by majestic99 (8638 posts) - - Show Bio

@WillPayton: Agreed.

#25 Posted by TheCannon (17897 posts) - - Show Bio

@blackadamFTW said:

Both have absolutely ridiculous feats.

I can't decide...

This.

I think I'll go with Supes.

#26 Posted by WillPayton (9155 posts) - - Show Bio

Also, we should remember that while pre-Crisis Superman had crazy powers, so did Hal... like travelling through time. His ring could really do whatever he wanted, unlike later versions.

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#27 Posted by SithLantern93 (2035 posts) - - Show Bio

http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles/7/silver-age-superman-vs-pre-crisis-hal-jordan/573063/

http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles/7/pre-crisis-superman-vs-pre-crisis-hal-jordan/572720/

#28 Posted by SpectresWrath01 (208 posts) - - Show Bio

@WillPayton said:

@nickzambuto said:

@blackadamFTW said:

Both have absolutely ridiculous feats.

I can't decide...

What has pre-crisis GL done that compares with pulling a solar system to a new galaxy on a giant chain?

Pre-Crisis GL could do this. Does he need anything else?

Green Lantern wins.

That came from DC comics presents #26. That wasnt Hal that did that to Superman. It was some kind of powered up evil copy. Supes still beat him.

#29 Posted by WillPayton (9155 posts) - - Show Bio

@SpectresWrath01 said:

@WillPayton said:

@nickzambuto said:

@blackadamFTW said:

Both have absolutely ridiculous feats.

I can't decide...

What has pre-crisis GL done that compares with pulling a solar system to a new galaxy on a giant chain?

Pre-Crisis GL could do this. Does he need anything else?

Green Lantern wins.

That came from DC comics presents #26. That wasnt Hal that did that to Superman. It was some kind of powered up evil copy. Supes still beat him.

You're right it wasnt Hal Jordan. But, it was an alien that had taken Hal's ring. So the power to do this is a power that Green Lantern had.

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#30 Posted by Nefarious (18646 posts) - - Show Bio

Pre-Crisis Superman wins after a tough fight.

#31 Posted by SpectresWrath01 (208 posts) - - Show Bio

@WillPayton said:

@SpectresWrath01 said:

@WillPayton said:

@nickzambuto said:

@blackadamFTW said:

Both have absolutely ridiculous feats.

I can't decide...

What has pre-crisis GL done that compares with pulling a solar system to a new galaxy on a giant chain?

Pre-Crisis GL could do this. Does he need anything else?

Green Lantern wins.

That came from DC comics presents #26. That wasnt Hal that did that to Superman. It was some kind of powered up evil copy. Supes still beat him.

You're right it wasnt Hal Jordan. But, it was an alien that had taken Hal's ring. So the power to do this is a power that Green Lantern had.

The rings generate green colored constructs of whatever they imagine. They don't mimic specific types of energy or radiation. Or exact copys. Its a replica. I have this comic but I haven't read thru it in awhile mostly because the comic is worth 300 bucks mint i think lol. But I think the Alien might have had something to do with manipulating the ring.

Although it is possible to make a genuine copy of something with the ring. We discovered this when Hal went on his murdering rampage trying to recreate coast city but realized he couldnt do it until he became parallax and then we know the rest. Parallax tries to recreate a new and perfect universe. ect ect.

So I guess its possible but PC Hal was never able to do it or current Hal so I dont see why that should be a issue in the debate.

#32 Posted by greenteaforme (1826 posts) - - Show Bio

Pre-Crisis lanterns can make kryptonite constructs.

He wins by default, no matter how strong Superman is. I've even say it's a mismatch.

#33 Posted by greenteaforme (1826 posts) - - Show Bio

@SpectresWrath01 said:

@WillPayton said:

@SpectresWrath01 said:

@WillPayton said:

@nickzambuto said:

@blackadamFTW said:

Both have absolutely ridiculous feats.

I can't decide...

What has pre-crisis GL done that compares with pulling a solar system to a new galaxy on a giant chain?

Pre-Crisis GL could do this. Does he need anything else?

Green Lantern wins.

That came from DC comics presents #26. That wasnt Hal that did that to Superman. It was some kind of powered up evil copy. Supes still beat him.

You're right it wasnt Hal Jordan. But, it was an alien that had taken Hal's ring. So the power to do this is a power that Green Lantern had.

The rings generate green colored constructs of whatever they imagine. They don't mimic specific types of energy or radiation. Or exact copys. Its a replica. I have this comic but I haven't read thru it in awhile mostly because the comic is worth 300 bucks mint i think lol. But I think the Alien might have had something to do with manipulating the ring.

Although it is possible to make a genuine copy of something with the ring. We discovered this when Hal went on his murdering rampage trying to recreate coast city but realized he couldnt do it until he became parallax and then we know the rest. Parallax tries to recreate a new and perfect universe. ect ect.

So I guess its possible but PC Hal was never able to do it or current Hal so I dont see why that should be a issue in the debate.

"Green Lantern Corps power rings can be used to emit simulated green kryptonite radiation. Kyle Rayner did so in Man of Tomorrow#19 (1998). The duplicate "Hal Jordan" Green Lantern form of N'Gon also created Power Ring-based green kryptonite in DC Comics Presents #26, and Superman used the yellow of his cape's "S" design to block the effect. Green Lantern Hal Jordan also uses his ring to make Kryptonite effects in numerous Justice League of America stories in order to cause Superman to be temporarily affected by things his invulnerability would otherwise prevent. This radiation is apparently just as powerful and painful to Superman and other Kryptonians as the genuine rays, but it can be blocked by interposing anything yellow between the Green Lantern's green kryptonite and the Kryptonian (however, this may no longer be an option due to the recent development of yellow no longer being an automatic weakness of power rings). Breaking the ring-bearer's concentration will also dispel the effect."

It was not a one-time thing. It's viable Pre-Crisis. There's no argument against it.

#34 Edited by Z3RO180 (6301 posts) - - Show Bio

I only use that when im on a really daft thread...any way superman would win and any GL making krytnite with there ring is PIS.

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#35 Posted by SpectresWrath01 (208 posts) - - Show Bio

@greenteaforme said:

@SpectresWrath01 said:

@WillPayton said:

@SpectresWrath01 said:

@WillPayton said:

@nickzambuto said:

@blackadamFTW said:

Both have absolutely ridiculous feats.

I can't decide...

What has pre-crisis GL done that compares with pulling a solar system to a new galaxy on a giant chain?

Pre-Crisis GL could do this. Does he need anything else?

Green Lantern wins.

That came from DC comics presents #26. That wasnt Hal that did that to Superman. It was some kind of powered up evil copy. Supes still beat him.

You're right it wasnt Hal Jordan. But, it was an alien that had taken Hal's ring. So the power to do this is a power that Green Lantern had.

The rings generate green colored constructs of whatever they imagine. They don't mimic specific types of energy or radiation. Or exact copys. Its a replica. I have this comic but I haven't read thru it in awhile mostly because the comic is worth 300 bucks mint i think lol. But I think the Alien might have had something to do with manipulating the ring.

Although it is possible to make a genuine copy of something with the ring. We discovered this when Hal went on his murdering rampage trying to recreate coast city but realized he couldnt do it until he became parallax and then we know the rest. Parallax tries to recreate a new and perfect universe. ect ect.

So I guess its possible but PC Hal was never able to do it or current Hal so I dont see why that should be a issue in the debate.

"Green Lantern Corps power rings can be used to emit simulated green kryptonite radiation. Kyle Rayner did so in Man of Tomorrow#19 (1998). The duplicate "Hal Jordan" Green Lantern form of N'Gon also created Power Ring-based green kryptonite in DC Comics Presents #26, and Superman used the yellow of his cape's "S" design to block the effect. Green Lantern Hal Jordan also uses his ring to make Kryptonite effects in numerous Justice League of America stories in order to cause Superman to be temporarily affected by things his invulnerability would otherwise prevent. This radiation is apparently just as powerful and painful to Superman and other Kryptonians as the genuine rays, but it can be blocked by interposing anything yellow between the Green Lantern's green kryptonite and the Kryptonian (however, this may no longer be an option due to the recent development of yellow no longer being an automatic weakness of power rings). Breaking the ring-bearer's concentration will also dispel the effect."

It was not a one-time thing. It's viable Pre-Crisis. There's no argument against it.

Do you have any scans? Of man of tomorrow 19? And which Justice League stories did GL's do this? And where did you get this description. As far as Ive seen Superman has fought GL's Numerous times and Ive never seen a GL wipe out Kryptonite besides in Dc comics presents #26? Pls show scans. Ill look up man of tomorrow #19.

#36 Posted by WillPayton (9155 posts) - - Show Bio

@Z3RO180 said:

I only use that when im on a really daft thread...any way superman would win and any GL making krytnite with there ring is PIS.

PIS is when characters do things that dont make sense, not when they show powers you havent seen before.

In any case, pre-Crisis GLs had a lot more powers than current GLs because the writers would give them whatever powers they needed just like with Superman.

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#37 Posted by Z3RO180 (6301 posts) - - Show Bio

@WillPayton:Superman would win

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#38 Posted by _Black (2302 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm fairly certain Hal could create Kryptonite and Red Sun radiation pre-Crisis.

#39 Posted by Grimware (5 posts) - - Show Bio

Superman has proven to get over his weakness of krytonite..so that is no longer a weakness here.

#40 Edited by Ancient_0f_Days (11782 posts) - - Show Bio

Superman traveled back in time as a child ....... Hal doing it means nothing, Superman tanked a punch from Validus that knocked him 10 galaxies away, he wasn't even knocked out or even that damaged, he was back in the fight by the next few panels ..... in that Kryptonite scan, it doesn't even look like Superman was even fighting fake Hal to begin with ...... so whoever brought it up has some explaining to do ....... and really? This is the Superman who blew out stars, solar systems, and shot rainbows out of his finger tips .....

... just this absolutely stops Hal in his tracks ...... there is YELLOW in there .... Superman also blocked Hals attacks with the Yellow spots in his cape .... remember people Hal is allergic to yellow here .... Superman wins

#41 Posted by a88378438 (3421 posts) - - Show Bio

where is Superman tanked a punch from Validus that knocked him 10 galaxies away????@Ancient_0f_Days said:

Superman traveled back in time as a child ....... Hal doing it means nothing, Superman tanked a punch from Validus that knocked him 10 galaxies away, he wasn't even knocked out or even that damaged, he was back in the fight by the next few panels ..... in that Kryptonite scan, it doesn't even look like Superman was even fighting fake Hal to begin with ...... so whoever brought it up has some explaining to do ....... and really? This is the Superman who blew out stars, solar systems, and shot rainbows out of his finger tips .....

... just this absolutely stops Hal in his tracks ...... there is YELLOW in there .... Superman also blocked Hals attacks with the Yellow spots in his cape .... remember people Hal is allergic to yellow here .... Superman wins

because validus was not too powerful,or just Not impressed

#42 Posted by Stronger (4948 posts) - - Show Bio

Superman 's beaten him already

#43 Posted by Ancient_0f_Days (11782 posts) - - Show Bio

@a88378438: I can't find the scan... but it was LoSH Superboy fighting Validus, Validus knocked him 10 galaxies away with a punch ..... I can't find the scan though

#44 Posted by a88378438 (3421 posts) - - Show Bio

oh,is ok,just i have this scan:

you see,the Validus not impressed,he full power once = enough destroy city

oh yeah

#45 Posted by AweSam (7373 posts) - - Show Bio

@majestic99 said:

@jeduhu said:

Precrisis supes... all the way. Hal is strong but SA Supes bloodlusted is just too much for any GL.

Except for PC Hal, whose feats include, but are not limited to:

  • shielding himself from a supernova
  • soloing the justice league
  • creating a force field not even PC Ultrman could shatter
  • traveling backwards through time
  • scanning an entire planet full of aliens and being able to determine their weakness
  • busting planets(on accident)
  • destroying starships the size of the moon
  • totally blocking out telepathy

Care to share a scan or two of him soloing? Also, Superman accidentally sneezed a solar system out of existence.

#46 Posted by majestic99 (8638 posts) - - Show Bio

@AweSam said:

Care to share a scan or two of him soloing? Also, Superman accidentally sneezed a solar system out of existence.

That's Silver Age Superman, not pre crisis.

#47 Posted by AweSam (7373 posts) - - Show Bio

@majestic99 said:

@AweSam said:

Care to share a scan or two of him soloing? Also, Superman accidentally sneezed a solar system out of existence.

That's Silver Age Superman, not pre crisis.

They're the same thing...

#48 Posted by majestic99 (8638 posts) - - Show Bio

@AweSam: Not really.

#49 Posted by AweSam (7373 posts) - - Show Bio

@majestic99 said:

@AweSam: Not really.

Feel free to explain.

#50 Posted by Jayfournines (4024 posts) - - Show Bio

I give it to Superman, he takes a yellow crayon and throws it at Hal