Hal Jordan vs Superman

Hal takes on Supes. Pre-52 feats allowed. Fight takes place over an ocean. Morals are off.

Hal stomps so damn hard

Lol people don't know anything.

If Hal can create kryptonite from his ring then GG Hal wins... If not Superman will break all his bones and crush him.

Hal wins by creating kryptonite wavelength

even without kryptonite hal can win this if willing to win

I'm quite sure this has been done before......

That being said, I'm giving the majority to Hal.

Morals off = Kryptonite constructs.

Knowing Supes has a weakness. You should of use Martian Manhunter or Wonder Woman

Pre-52? ZH Parallax FTW!!! XD

When has Hal ever created Green-K post crisis?

Kyle did before, but Hal =/= Kyle.

Hal

@dccomicsrule2011: Hal also has matter Manipulation, he'd have no problem creating Kryptonite. Also he had Pieface do it when he defeated the Justice League

Hal ftw.

@sewy18: I doubt he can do that since it's out of his thinking.

Hal Jordan has a better chance if it is New52 Superman and might win but here Supes wins

Hal stomp if he can create kryptonite.

Supes stomp if Hal can't

Could go either way.

*waits for stupid Justice League Origin scans of constructs shattering.

Could go either way.

Can't supes move far faster than thought? If so couldn't he just speed blitz Hal and tear his hand/head off before he could register a thought to create a construct? I'm only assuming this would happen since the OP said morals are off so I'm guessing they'd both be out of character. Btw is the Injustice story arc classed as canon? In issue 1 a bloodlusted Supes simply removed Hal's ring before he could even think of doing anything when he tried to stop him from getting to the joker, again if it's not canon I suppose that point is pretty nullified...

I don't see the point in bringing up the creation of Kryptonite when Hal has never once done it before, with morals or without. Although, this fight can go either way in my opinion with Hal probably taking a majority due to a lot more experience but even then, it won't be easy.

@nox_arc: Hal's plan to take down Supes involves him creating Kryptonite as seen in Green Lantern Legacy.

Come on people! There is no way Hal takes the majority of this. Pre-52, Superman took Kyle's best shots and beat him, fought Kilowog to a stand still (and beat him in Panic in the Sky storyline), shattered Kyle's constructs EASILY in the Superman Rex storyline (and Kyle had help from the entire JLA and STILL failed to take Superman down without using Kryptonite). Even when Superman fought Guy, Superman had the clear advantage and Superman wasn't even trying.

In the New 52, it was plainly shown that Hal couldn't even stand up to Superman because Kal was shattering Hal's constructs with EASE and Hal called for HELP from Flash. Now why would he do that if Hal was confident he would win? Simple, he COULDN'T win. Period.

Superman already has the slight majority of wins over GL's and even during the times where the fight ended too early, Superman was shown as the clear superior.

Oh, and Kryptonite is going to be non-factor since Hal has NEVER used it against Superman Pre-52 OR the New-52.

There is NO WAY Hal takes the majority of wins against either Pre-52 Superman or the New 52 version. No way. Superman easily, EASILY, wins this 8/10.

IF (and that's a BIG IF) Hal can learns how to create Kryptonite with his ring then, yes, Hal easily wins the majority. But without it, as the bucketloads of evidence suggests...SUPERMAN EASILY wins 8/10. Easily.

Morals off Hal would win as Don explained

Hal takes the majority in a tough fight.

It was a theoretical plan sure, but he still never actually created the Kryptonite. On a somewhat related topic, it'd be similar to saying just because Sinestro supposedly broke a GL ring twice, Hal could do the same thing. I'm not here arguing whether he can do it or not, I'm just saying it'd be completely against his character, with or without morals since it never happened.

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Been done.

Morals off superman destroy hal jordan.Kryptonite only works on superman at close quarters.Plus to make it even better superman has some good feats of defeating people with kryptonite in his blood stream.

@nox_arc: His ring did create Kryptonite though, it was part of the process he taught Pieface in defeating Superman.

Also it wouldn't be out if character of Hal to create Kryptonite due to the fact that the first part of his plan to take down Superman is gor him to create Kryptonite.

@tensor: Hal can turn the entire planet into Kryptonite.

Yet, he still never created the Kryptonite himself. That's my entire point dude. He had a theoretical "plan" to take down Superman utilizing Kryptonite, but I personally don't think it means anything since he never once did it before. Perhaps it's just me and I apologize, but I don't think using theoretical notions really apply to these type of battles. The point is to determine how a character may perform and bounce ideas back and forth with another person based off of actual representative feats. Or at least, that's how I view battles.

In this case, I think it's fair enough to say Hal would be completely out of character to use Kryptonite against Superman based on all of his showings with Superman, or any Kryptonians by extension.

@dondave: Superman fly right into a red sun and still could fight so what are you saying.Kryptonite might weaken superman to a level but this does not mean that he cannot fight back.You make it seem like superman is going to stand still and wait on hal to make a krpytonite ftw.

If you want to use Superman's best feats then Hal's best feats dwarf base Superman.

also Kryptonite and Red Sun radiation affect him differently. Kryptonite is much faster and basically poisonous to his system. Red Sun Radiation is a much slower draining effect. Both obviously vary depending on the story, but Superman has been nearly instantly incapacitated more often than not when met with kryptonite.

@nox_arc: His ring did create Kryptonite. Pieface used Hal's ring to defeat the Justice League, part of that was creating Kryptonite. Pieface just followed Hal's plan, I don't see why it would be out of charcter for him to use Kryptonite when it part of his contingency plan and it has been shown to work.

@dredeuced: Like ?

Again dude, I'm not arguing whether the ring can create Kryptonite or not. I made that point a while back. I'm arguing that Hal HIMSELF has never performed the feat. Pieface used HIS ring, Hal never did it himself. Hal also could've used matter manip against Superman plenty of other times they fought but he never once did.

Let's say even if that single instance was applicable, I don't think it'd be fair to consider it consistent as it was never done again. Wouldn't you say that consistency is a factor that helps determine how we use feats with these characters?

@nox_arc: Piefcae did it based on a plan Hal created, why wouldn't he use his own plan?

Hal's only fought Superman Post-Crisis when he's been possessed, there's no consistency to base it on except the fact that his plan to take him down involved him creating Kryptonite.

Superman wins no matter what.

@sophia89 said:

@daseancomerwcr said:

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why is batman staring so closely at it,also why is supes so surprised?

lol ikr

I don't understand how people are saying Hal could create kryptonite. GLs create light constructs, not real organic matter.

Is there something I'm missing?

@sophia89 said:

@daseancomerwcr said:

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why is batman staring so closely at it,also why is supes so surprised?

I think the funniest part is how horrified John Stewart is haha

The worst part is the person who wrote that scene is considered the best green lantern writer of this decade.

This fight could go either way really. In Green lantern rebirth, it was clear the green lanterns could take down superman level beings like MMH and WW, but they did have a surprise advantage in all those. I don't think Hal has ever beat someone that level in a straight up fight, save Mongol who is much slower than other superman level beings. I say supes for a slight majority.

Superman stomps, he is faster, stronger, more durable, better stamina, better flexibility and elasticity, better senses and two very useful powers (heat vision and frost breath). Hal is not magic, the only choise he have is the kryptonite constructs but he can do that? there is such a feat in his arsenal? i dont think so... bloodlusted superman it's superboy prime (and superboy prime is a crying baby, he is not superman) and we all know what happend when Guy, Sodam, Hal, etc fought him. ah also, fighting skills... i think that both are even, perhaps Hal is a little bit better in h2h but a little bit is not going to help.

Killing Krona?

How many times has this fight been done?

http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles-7/superman-vs-hal-jordan-405963/

http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles/7/superman-vs-green-lantern-hal-jordan/552884/

http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles/7/pre-crisis-superman-vs-pre-crisis-hal-jordan/572720/

http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles-7/hal-jordan-green-lantern-vs-clark-kent-superman-558132/

http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles-7/superman-vs-hal-jordan-700012/

http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles-7/green-lantern-hal-jordan-vs-superman-609732/

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Also, as much as I love Hal, he loses to Superman. Sorry... Supes is too fast and powerful, even for the greatest Green Lantern.

Everyone is saying that if Hal construct Kryptonite he can beat superman which I can agree with but what happens if Superman can speed blitz him and if Hal can make Kriptonite AND the effects that go with it than he would be able to turn villian and kill superman if he wanted to

Hal creating Kryptonite is only theoretical. Kyle did it, but Hal hasnt.