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#1 Posted by RingSlinger (533 posts) - - Show Bio

Lets see if i can salvage my previous battle idea and make it a little more balanced!

VS

RULES:

NO BFR

NO Calling For Outside Help

Surfer & Thor are CURRENT versions

Hal is Pre-DCnU

Manhunter is Pre-DCnU

SET-UP:

Hal will not need to recharge for this battle. (He will stay fully charged for duration of the fight)

Random encounter.

Fight takes place in space.

Who wins and why??

#2 Posted by clemj (817 posts) - - Show Bio

to me... GL will lose against surfer and MM will lose against thor... all those after epic fights

#3 Posted by XMen1963 (484 posts) - - Show Bio

If its SA Hal Jordan team 2 wins. If not team 1 wins.

#4 Posted by RingSlinger (533 posts) - - Show Bio

You dont think Manhunters TP will have an effect on Thor? I think surfer has protection from this right? Is the intangibility a factor?

#5 Posted by czarny_samael666 (17174 posts) - - Show Bio

Team 2. 
Surfer will block Martian's TP, so they will have to fight against each other. Surfer wins.
Thor vs. Hal - Thor. 

#6 Posted by vuviper (5531 posts) - - Show Bio

Unlimited charge... that could be interesting.

@czarny_samael666 said:

Team 2. Surfer will block Martian's TP, so they will have to fight against each other. Surfer wins. Thor vs. Hal - Thor.

Isn't current Surfer weaker or something. I heard that somewhere but I wasn't really sure.

#7 Posted by Bo88gdan (4635 posts) - - Show Bio

Marvel team wins

#8 Edited by RingSlinger (533 posts) - - Show Bio

@czarny_samael666: does surfer have the ability to block tp attackse for himself as well as others? has he ever done this in any situation?

#9 Posted by czarny_samael666 (17174 posts) - - Show Bio
@vuviper said:

Unlimited charge... that could be interesting.

@czarny_samael666 said:

Team 2. Surfer will block Martian's TP, so they will have to fight against each other. Surfer wins. Thor vs. Hal - Thor.

Isn't current Surfer weaker or something. I heard that somewhere but I wasn't really sure.

1.I forgot about that.
2.He still has the same powers, but in weaker state. In theory weaker. To this moment he has shown that he is much above 100 tons, that he completly control all molecules in his body, that he still can atomize his enemies and their weapons by molecular manipulation, that he has high level of reflex (in moment in which Iron Fist wassaying  "Um... Hello." Surfer was able to transform and move from Oklahoma to NY), he was able to follow Mjolnir (that was going in - IMO - top speed since Thor summoned it from other dimension), is able to change into different creature that sucked whole mist of John Aman from Immortal Weapons (IDK too much about them, but according to Iron Fist he sucked his soul) and go with him to volcano when he left him (I belive that he really sucked his soul too, since he said that living his life would be a torture). And since he still has Power Cosmic, he is connected to Astral Plane. Thanks to this and molecular control he should win this battle.
#10 Posted by czarny_samael666 (17174 posts) - - Show Bio
@RingSlinger said:

@czarny_samael666: does surfer have the ability to block tp attackse for himself as well as others? has he ever done this in any situation?

He has TP by himself, so it is obvious that they will have to deal with each other before they will try it on other enemies.
#11 Posted by WillPayton (9815 posts) - - Show Bio

I like Hal, GL is one of my favorite heroes, but I think the DC team loses here. Martian Manhunter as overpowered as he is probably loses to SS, and Hal loses to Thor.

#12 Posted by WaveMotionCannon (5656 posts) - - Show Bio

SS and thor

#13 Posted by vuviper (5531 posts) - - Show Bio

@czarny_samael666 said:

@vuviper said:

Unlimited charge... that could be interesting.

@czarny_samael666 said:

Team 2. Surfer will block Martian's TP, so they will have to fight against each other. Surfer wins. Thor vs. Hal - Thor.

Isn't current Surfer weaker or something. I heard that somewhere but I wasn't really sure.

1.I forgot about that. 2.He still has the same powers, but in weaker state. In theory weaker. To this moment he has shown that he is much above 100 tons, that he completly control all molecules in his body, that he still can atomize his enemies and their weapons by molecular manipulation, that he has high level of reflex (in moment in which Iron Fist wassaying "Um... Hello." Surfer was able to transform and move from Oklahoma to NY), he was able to follow Mjolnir (that was going in - IMO - top speed since Thor summoned it from other dimension), is able to change into different creature that sucked whole mist of John Aman from Immortal Weapons (IDK too much about them, but according to Iron Fist he sucked his soul) and go with him to volcano when he left him (I belive that he really sucked his soul too, since he said that living his life would be a torture). And since he still has Power Cosmic, he is connected to Astral Plane. Thanks to this and molecular control he should win this battle.

Well even Silver Savage seemed stronger than Hulk, so I'm sure surfer is way beyond 100 tons. But if he's not throwing around enough energy to create black holes as a side effect of the blast anymore it could be a pretty good fight. I think Hal without limits and Thor could be a pretty good fight as well.

#14 Posted by 202122 (1145 posts) - - Show Bio

@clemj said:

to me... GL will lose against surfer and MM will lose against thor... all those after epic fights

#15 Posted by czarny_samael666 (17174 posts) - - Show Bio
@vuviper said:

@czarny_samael666 said:

@vuviper said:

Unlimited charge... that could be interesting.

@czarny_samael666 said:

Team 2. Surfer will block Martian's TP, so they will have to fight against each other. Surfer wins. Thor vs. Hal - Thor.

Isn't current Surfer weaker or something. I heard that somewhere but I wasn't really sure.

1.I forgot about that. 2.He still has the same powers, but in weaker state. In theory weaker. To this moment he has shown that he is much above 100 tons, that he completly control all molecules in his body, that he still can atomize his enemies and their weapons by molecular manipulation, that he has high level of reflex (in moment in which Iron Fist wassaying "Um... Hello." Surfer was able to transform and move from Oklahoma to NY), he was able to follow Mjolnir (that was going in - IMO - top speed since Thor summoned it from other dimension), is able to change into different creature that sucked whole mist of John Aman from Immortal Weapons (IDK too much about them, but according to Iron Fist he sucked his soul) and go with him to volcano when he left him (I belive that he really sucked his soul too, since he said that living his life would be a torture). And since he still has Power Cosmic, he is connected to Astral Plane. Thanks to this and molecular control he should win this battle.

Well even Silver Savage seemed stronger than Hulk, so I'm sure surfer is way beyond 100 tons. But if he's not throwing around enough energy to create black holes as a side effect of the blast anymore it could be a pretty good fight. I think Hal without limits and Thor could be a pretty good fight as well.

I agree it will be a hard one. 
Thor still can boost his powers and shoot it on Hal. As much as he can God Blast him (it doesn't take that much to charge it IMO). With Thor's help Surfer should win it for sure.
#16 Posted by WillPayton (9815 posts) - - Show Bio

@clemj said:

to me... GL will lose against surfer and MM will lose against thor... all those after epic fights

Superman would beat Thor, and MM is more powerful and versatile than Superman. I dont see how Thor would defeat MM.

#17 Posted by vuviper (5531 posts) - - Show Bio

@WillPayton said:

@clemj said:

to me... GL will lose against surfer and MM will lose against thor... all those after epic fights

Superman would beat Thor, and MM is more powerful and versatile than Superman. I dont see how Thor would defeat MM.

Same, MM has the speed advantage, could use telepathy, invisibility, etc.

#18 Posted by RingSlinger (533 posts) - - Show Bio

@vuviper said:

@WillPayton said:

@clemj said:

to me... GL will lose against surfer and MM will lose against thor... all those after epic fights

Superman would beat Thor, and MM is more powerful and versatile than Superman. I dont see how Thor would defeat MM.

Same, MM has the speed advantage, could use telepathy, invisibility, etc.

This is what I was thinking..... I could see Hal holding off surfer until MM is done with Thor, then its Hal and MM vs the surfer

#19 Posted by leeray (236 posts) - - Show Bio

ss & thor solo.

#20 Posted by sinestro_GL (3321 posts) - - Show Bio

@WillPayton: You say MM is overpowered, and then you say he loses.

I think the word overpowered is thrown around too much, and there's a general lack of understanding of the word.

#21 Posted by leeray (236 posts) - - Show Bio

TEAM 1

#22 Posted by Super_SoldierXII (6611 posts) - - Show Bio

Hm. Tough fight. MM is too much for Thor IMO.

That said, Thor has resisted strong TPers before (Moondragon comes to mind).

Going with Silver Surfer and Thor tentatively for the time being.

#23 Edited by emperorznb (1669 posts) - - Show Bio

@Super_SoldierXII said:

Hm. Tough fight. MM is too much for Thor IMO.

That said, Thor has resisted strong TPers before (Moondragon comes to mind).

Going with Silver Surfer and Thor tentatively for the time being.

Moondragon used TP to seduce Thor...

#24 Posted by Super_SoldierXII (6611 posts) - - Show Bio

@emperorznb:

Ya ... there's a little inconsistency there. I'll have to pull up the issue as I can't remember off the top of my head, but Thor's resisted TP.

He's also been seduced by the Enchantress. Tells me Thor's weak in the loins more so than anything else! I don't see MM taking that approach but with all the gay love in comics lately... who knows! :P

#25 Posted by emperorznb (1669 posts) - - Show Bio

@Super_SoldierXII said:

@emperorznb:

Ya ... there's a little inconsistency there. I'll have to pull up the issue as I can't remember off the top of my head, but Thor's resisted TP.

He's also been seduced by the Enchantress. Tells me Thor's weak in the loins more so than anything else! I don't see MM taking that approach but with all the gay love in comics lately... who knows! :P

Lol xD

#26 Posted by emperorznb (1669 posts) - - Show Bio

Surfer and Thor wins.

#27 Edited by RingSlinger (533 posts) - - Show Bio

Dont just give me the name of the team. State your reasons, debate!

Im still confident Manhunter can use some degree of TP on Thor, and would win without it

#28 Posted by Lady_Liberty (8439 posts) - - Show Bio

Thor isn't a problem for Team One, Surfer is the problem.

Hal or Manhunter could beat Thor alone, but I think they would struggle with Surfer. But maybe they put him in an arm lock.

#29 Posted by jeanroygrant (20191 posts) - - Show Bio

Thor>Green Lantern Hal Jordan
Silver Surfer>Martian Man Hunter

Team Marvel FTW.

#30 Posted by WillPayton (9815 posts) - - Show Bio

@sinestro_GL said:

@WillPayton: You say MM is overpowered, and then you say he loses.

I think the word overpowered is thrown around too much, and there's a general lack of understanding of the word.

He loses because SS is even more powerful than him. For SS it makes sense that he's that powerful because he's flying around space facing off against cosmic-level entities and stuff like that. MM is on earth dealing with Earth stuff, and he's a member of the JL, so he already has a lot of top-tier heroes to help out. He's... overpowered.

Why is MM overpowered? Because, he has too many overly powerful, over useful powers like insanely high TP, intangibility, invisibility, Superman level flight, speed, strength, invulnerability, etc, plus shape-shifting. He can single handedly take out the Justice League if he wanted without ever getting a scratch on him, it wouldnt even be a fight, he'd just mind-rape them all while intangible. His only real weakness was fire, and now that's not even a weakness anymore.

#31 Posted by kcaz (1371 posts) - - Show Bio

surfer is at cosmic level, he might be too powerful for team 2

#32 Posted by venomoushatred1001 (12273 posts) - - Show Bio

Team2.

#33 Posted by eatmore_payless (2209 posts) - - Show Bio

With Unlimited charge Hal can do some damage. but sadly they will lose to team 2

#34 Posted by Meat_Spinner (124 posts) - - Show Bio

Current SS can solo with Thor providing a valuable distraction.

#35 Posted by euskadi1488 (11 posts) - - Show Bio

surfer alone can destroy all of them

#36 Edited by RingSlinger (533 posts) - - Show Bio

@WillPayton: @eatmore_payless:

So it seems to me that the question here is can Hal with unlimited charge hold of the Surfer long enough for MM to defeat Thor, making it Hal and MM vs Surfer? I think this is team 1's ticket to victory, if its possible for Hal to hold off Surfer until Thor is out of the picture then I think both of them working together have more than a good chance of taking out the Surfer.

#37 Posted by Barnes (26 posts) - - Show Bio

Well, Silver Surfer and Green Lantern have actually fought each other and SS came out on top. To me, it seems pretty obvoius, i mean SS is basically a GOD, he can mix particles and shit, and basically do all the crazy stuff Dr Manhattan does, and probably better. I think martian manhunter would own Thor, why? He has Superhuman strength, speed, senses, mentality, and endurance Shapeshifting Invulnerability Vortex Breath Hypnosis Telekinesis Invisibility Intangibility Longevity Healing factor Flight Telepathy Martian Vision Heat Generation I mean, it cant get more easier than that...

#38 Edited by RingSlinger (533 posts) - - Show Bio

@Barnes:

That isnt cannon and it was kyle without an unlimited charge.... Im starting to think the scenario I laid out is becoming more and more likely.

#39 Edited by XiiX (9429 posts) - - Show Bio

Team 1.

#40 Posted by jobbernos (1420 posts) - - Show Bio

@sinestro_GL said:

@WillPayton: You say MM is overpowered, and then you say he loses.

I think the word overpowered is thrown around too much, and there's a general lack of understanding of the word.

i agree and mm and hj wins.

#41 Edited by dondave (38884 posts) - - Show Bio

Team 1 wins this in a fairly hard battle. Thor is non-factor here, Recently in AvX Charles was able to telepathically make the avengers (I think) sleep with Thor included, MMH can easily do this to Thor at the beginning of the fight. Then its Hal Jordan and MMH vs Silver Surfer which I think they can eventually win

#42 Posted by lol (5388 posts) - - Show Bio
#43 Edited by Frozen (16101 posts) - - Show Bio
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#44 Posted by dondave (38884 posts) - - Show Bio

Yeah, both Surfer and Thor are mind wiped by the combined telepathic prowess of Hal and J'onn

#45 Posted by TommyJones1945 (751 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't know. Leaning towards the Marvel team.

#46 Posted by reaverlation (17054 posts) - - Show Bio

If team 1 goes full telepathy,they win(J'onzz being the best here obviously).

#47 Edited by eternityx (2817 posts) - - Show Bio

Current SS can solo with Thor providing a valuable distraction.

#48 Posted by GhostRider2 (3571 posts) - - Show Bio

Team 2.

#49 Edited by The_Dark_Lot (60 posts) - - Show Bio

Don't see Thor going down faster than whoever Surfer is fighting. Also don't think Thor is anywhere near as weak as people here are making him out to be. Team 2 wins this.

#50 Posted by Experio (17128 posts) - - Show Bio

Marvel team. Surfer should defeat the Martian at the same time Thor defeats Hal.