Grievous vs Black Knight and Silver Samurai and possible others

General Grievous (expanded universe) vs Black Knight (classic) and Silver Samurai (standard).

Grievous has 4 light sabers. Black Knight has the Ebony Blade; it does not afford any special defensive protection for him. Silver Samurai has Carbonadium armor and a katana.

I'm not entirely sure if this battle is even. If Grievous is too powerful for this to be an even match, add Snake Eyes with an Antarctic Vibranium katana to the team. Still not enough? Add Grendel Prime with a laser sword.

(I may be overestimating Grievous here with this expanded team; I don't know too much about his EU exploits but figure anyone who can kill Jedi, considering their Force abilities, is pretty tough.)

They all have a basic knowledge of the others' abilities. No morals. Fight takes place in a medieval castle, and starts at 30'.

How does this battle go? Can Silver Samurai and Black Knight beat Grievous on their own? Can Grievous successfully take on all four?

I don't know much about EU Grevious either what I do know is he is a coward the moment the battle starts looking grim he's going to retreat but I think he may be able to pull this off despite his cowardice he has shown quite a bit of Skill in combat with Lightsabers since Dooku trained him in several forms saber combat (maybe all of them) I'm not as fammiliar with the Starwars universe as I was years ago so my Knowledge of EU is a bit Rusty

JXM vs. k4tz!

Hurm. Need to know more about Black Knight.

@Decoy Elite said:

Hurm. Need to know more about Black Knight.

He's supposed to be one of the premier sword fighters in Marvel; he beat the Swordsman. The Ebony Blade can supposedly cut through anything, and can disrupt magic. It is also supposedly indestructible.

One thing I'm interested in here is the relative "can cut through anything" abilities of all these swords--light sabers, Ebony Blade, SS's tachyon-enhanced katana, an Antarctic Vibranium sword, etc. Some people's weapons may not hold up against others', which may be a deciding factor.

I got Erik Arreaga to draw this for me pitting GG Vs some familiar faces. Sure it has bugger all to do with your battle scenario but it does show what 4 Vs 1 four-armed man can do

Yup GG Vs TMNJT!

But if you say that here in the Comic Vine battle zone that lightsabers & adamantium are equal then sure it's possible for Black Knight, Snake Eyes, Silver Samurai & Grendel to take down the General

@batkevin74 said:

I got Erik Arreaga to draw this for me pitting GG Vs some familiar faces. Sure it has bugger all to do with your battle scenario but it does show what 4 Vs 1 four-armed man can do

Yup GG Vs TMNJT!

But if you say that here in the Comic Vine battle zone that lightsabers & adamantium are equal then sure it's possible for Black Knight, Snake Eyes, Silver Samurai & Grendel to take down the General

Nice pic.

I'm no light saber expert, but I would personally guess they couldn't cut through adamantium. Nobody has adamantium here though. I think probably they couldn't cut through the Black Knight's sword, because its invulnerability is due to magic, not just physical properties. I'm less sure that if there was a sword-on-sword clash between Grievous and Silver Samurai that Samurai's tachyon-enhanced sword would survive. Samurai may avoid sword-on-sword clashes, but it would be hard to keep that up forever. A vibranium sword might survive a light saber clash, I don't know, but it would melt Grievous's metal.

@Owie: I think it would be smart to assume no one swords cut through each others swords ... or we might have no swords in this sword fight. Battle of the sword hilts!!

Grievous takes this. He took on six Jedi at once, including at least three masters.

@sandiego008 said:

@Owie: I think it would be smart to assume no one swords cut through each others swords ... or we might have no swords in this sword fight. Battle of the sword hilts!!

I know, I was kind of thinking that might be the result!

@Ferro Vida said:

Grievous takes this. He took on six Jedi at once, including at least three masters.

Did he beat them?

Can you explain to me how he does this? I don't understand how he compensates for their Force abilities. I would think 6 people with the Force ought to toast any non-Force enemy.

@Owie said:

@Ferro Vida said:

Grievous takes this. He took on six Jedi at once, including at least three masters.

Did he beat them?

Can you explain to me how he does this? I don't understand how he compensates for their Force abilities. I would think 6 people with the Force ought to toast any non-Force enemy.

This intrigues me as well .. I'm not a star wars follower ... but what is "took on at least three masters" mean ... dodged them, beat them .. but taking on 6 jedi at once is a feat in itself but if 3 are masters I question what is going on. Maybe I am downplaying grievous ..

@Owie: @sandiego008:

@Ferro Vida said:

@Owie: @sandiego008:

Well that was pretty clear in terms of his melee abilities, although I think the general lack of use of the Force was kind of PIS; they threw stuff at him, but didn't just pick him up and batter him against things, for instance. But the Force question is irrelevant to this thread. If this is canon, and if it's consistent with his other showings, then I have to say he could probably take the team in this thread.

@Ferro Vida: are we basing this on comics/anime/ or movies ... has he done such in comics? I ask because i don't know.

@Ferro Vida Yeah I think GG takes this, mainly coz even in the videoclip he's only using 2 arms. He gets up to 2 arms and a foot. Imagine if he broke out all 4 arms & 1 foot, he'd kill The Balck Knight, Grendel, Silver Samurai, Snake Eyes AND The 4 Ninja Jedi Turtles!

Grievous' performance at Hypori is not indicative of his standard combat showings. He can and has beaten multiple Jedi simultaneously before, but on no other occasion has he so casually handled multiple Jedi Masters. That being said, he can and has also fought and beaten Jedi Masters before. He killed Adi Gallia, stalemated Mace Windu, held his own against Kit Fisto (whose Shi-Cho form is advantageous against Grievous), held his own against Obi-Wan (whose Soresu form is also advantageous against Grievous), regularly holds his own against Dooku (Dooku, in his own inner musings, has admitted that Grievous can give him a challenge), and so on. Dooku both in Yoda: Dark Rendezvous and Labyrinth of Evil has considered Grievous the most formidable fighter out of all of his subordinates, which includes characters such as Asajj Ventress and Sora Bulq. Grievous has run so fast he seemed to teleport, can fight faster than thought, can move his blades so fast he produces huge blurring afterglows resembling "tornadoes," etc.  
 
Not really sure I can say who wins because his opponents in this thread are mostly outside my knowledge base, but this gives a better idea of his abilities.

I'll go with fully charged Grendel Prime

@Silver2467 said:

Grievous' performance at Hypori is not indicative of his standard combat showings. He can and has beaten multiple Jedi simultaneously before, but on no other occasion has he so casually handled multiple Jedi Masters. That being said, he can and has also fought and beaten Jedi Masters before. He killed Adi Gallia, stalemated Mace Windu, held his own against Kit Fisto (whose Shi-Cho form is advantageous against Grievous), held his own against Obi-Wan (whose Soresu form is also advantageous against Grievous), regularly holds his own against Dooku (Dooku, in his own inner musings, has admitted that Grievous can give him a challenge), and so on. Dooku both in Yoda: Dark Rendezvous and Labyrinth of Evil has considered Grievous the most formidable fighter out of all of his subordinates, which includes characters such as Asajj Ventress and Sora Bulq. Grievous has run so fast he seemed to teleport, can fight faster than thought, can move his blades so fast he produces huge blurring afterglows resembling "tornadoes," etc. Not really sure I can say who wins because his opponents in this thread are mostly outside my knowledge base, but this gives a better idea of his abilities.

Thanks that helps put it in context. The team here is mostly made of normal humans, so theoretically they probably shouldn't be able to handle his superhuman speed very easily then. I assume the Jedi can handle this level of speed through their use of the Force to increase their own speed. Grendel Prime is the exception out of them, he's a cyborg with somewhat superhuman speed and strength. All of them are among the very top melee fighters in their respective universes, so I think their skill helps out, especially since its four against one (even if the one has four arms). If it was based purely on skill and we ignored speed, etc., I think most of the team would be about at his level. So if we take the video battle as an unusually high showing, and take into account the fights you mentioned, I could see the team winning some, but maybe not a majority.

@Owie: I always though Hunter Rose was better

Grievous against 1 of these guys I would give him the win. Against multiple got to say no he won't win. Fighting against the best sword fighters is hard for him, although I still see him winning 1 on 1. Going 2 on one against Comics BEST Swordsmen he's just gonna lose. Being master (edit) *Jedi* does not make them Great Swordsmen, Good yes but not great.

@BattleHeiz said:

@Owie: I always though Hunter Rose was better

I think Hunter was the best/most skilled fighter of the Grendels, and his fork is a really cool weapon, but I chose Grendel Prime here because he sometimes carried a laser sword, and I wanted that so it could be a match for Grievous' lightsabers.

@Owie said:

@BattleHeiz said:

@Owie: I always though Hunter Rose was better

I think Hunter was the best/most skilled fighter of the Grendels, and his fork is a really cool weapon, but I chose Grendel Prime here because he sometimes carried a laser sword, and I wanted that so it could be a match for Grievous' lightsabers.

Yes but when fully charged he is pretty damn unstoppable

If he defeated 7 Jedi at Hypori, Grievous can EASILY defeat those guys! (He defeated Master Barrek, Sha'agi, K'Kruhk, Aayla Secura, Shaak Ti, Ki Adi Mundi, Ki Adi Mundi's apprentice)

@BattleHeiz said:

I'll go with fully charged Grendel Prime