Ringless Mandarin is still a beast, the biggest mistake people make is thinking he's a street leveler like Batman, Black Cat or Nick Fury...Mandarin is way, way beyond these guys and there is nothing they can do to put Mandarin down. He has a chin of steel and can soak up everything a guy like the Thing throws at him, he would shame Batman with martial arts skills, and his striking power is insane, his punches and kicks are insanely enhanced by his martial arts skills and might be in the class 60-80 range
Last I read of Grey Hulk he was in the class 70 and he got owned by the Thing
Mandarin is real hardcore kungfu warrior He's one of these crazy ass characters from a Kungfu movie, flying around on wires and kicking holes in steel doors
With Rings he's too much, with rings Mandarin has fought the Avengers and been a challenge to all of them including Thor
Mandarin Without Rings, beat down Classic Ironman suits. This is old Mandarin using nothing but his karate kicks and kungfu chi and he still beats the hell out of Ironmans suits. The old guy Mandarin could have a truck dropped on his face, he could have his testicles frozen to absolute zero and have his chest burnt like an overcooked chicken, then Mandarin can take a couple of repulsor blasters to the face....basically you expect any of these shots to destroy a class 75 - class 90 brick How does Mandarin a supposed street leveler deal with such killer attacks? He soaks it all up as if it were just a bunch of school boys fooling around Then he jumps back, drops kicks Ironman, or tackles him and starts putting him in wrestling locks and suddenly Ironman starts to look broken or endanger of getting stomped by some old dude who is actually holding back.
Tony usually has to go all out just to deal with a Mandarin who wants to spar with him like a boxing trainer The only reason Tony beats Mandarin is because Mandarin is a bit silly, he's too arrogant and does not use all his power and holds back with the rings, while Tony is a badass and doesn't mind smashing some old commie through concrete walls that are 2 feet thick Of course smashing him through a wall won't put Mandarin down, it only annoys him
Mandarin's fight skills and chi are insane, even without rings he would give Hulk one hell of a fight
" Ringless Mandarin is still a beast, the biggest mistake people make is thinking he's a street leveler like Batman, Black Cat or Nick Fury...Mandarin is way, way beyond these guys and there is nothing they can do to put Mandarin down. He has a chin of steel and can soak up everything a guy like the Thing throws at him, he would shame Batman with martial arts skills, and his striking power is insane, his punches and kicks are insanely enhanced by his martial arts skills and might be in the class 60-80 range
Last I read of Grey Hulk he was in the class 70 and he got owned by the Thing
Mandarin is real hardcore kungfu warrior He's one of these crazy ass characters from a Kungfu movie, flying around on wires and kicking holes in steel doors
With Rings he's too much, with rings Mandarin has fought the Avengers and been a challenge to all of them including Thor
Mandarin Without Rings, beat down Classic Ironman suits. This is old Mandarin using nothing but his karate kicks and kungfu chi and he still beats the hell out of Ironmans suits. The old guy Mandarin could have a truck dropped on his face, he could have his testicles frozen to absolute zero and have his chest burnt like an overcooked chicken, then Mandarin can take a couple of repulsor blasters to the face....basically you expect any of these shots to destroy a class 75 - class 90 brick How does Mandarin a supposed street leveler deal with such killer attacks? He soaks it all up as if it were just a bunch of school boys fooling around Then he jumps back, drops kicks Ironman, or tackles him and starts putting him in wrestling locks and suddenly Ironman starts to look broken or endanger of getting stomped by some old dude who is actually holding back.
Tony usually has to go all out just to deal with a Mandarin who wants to spar with him like a boxing trainer The only reason Tony beats Mandarin is because Mandarin is a bit silly, he's too arrogant and does not use all his power and holds back with the rings, while Tony is a badass and doesn't mind smashing some old commie through concrete walls that are 2 feet thick Of course smashing him through a wall won't put Mandarin down, it only annoys him Mandarin's fight skills and chi are insane, even without rings he would give Hulk one hell of a fight "
Damn, did not realize the Asian dude with the green robe and set of color rings was such a badass
Yup. Because he's wears zapper-rings, a lot of people make the mistake of thinking he's like Green Lantern, when he's actually closer to being a Wonder Woman type of character. He mostly does things with the rings to supplement his martial arts stuff, rather than replace them. Like using the mind-ring to create a bunch of illusions of himself, then jumping on his opponant and kung fuing the crap out of him while the opponant doesn't know which Mandarin is real. He's more of a brick who cheats sometimes than a true ranged zapper-guy.
Though Grey Hulk is weaker than the others he can still reach lower Class 100 levels with time Mandarin can win, but would need to finish the Hulk fast.
@texasdeathmatch: Omg that scan shamed Iron Man. Tony is in a suit, that's like a one man army, taking on a mandarin, a guy with no weapons but his bare fist. Put this way..Iron Man is like a AK47 and Mandarin is like a butter knife...The AK47 was losing.
@noone1996: Didn’t Fixit also break out of Ice mans constructs? I thought they were absolute zero. Fixit also shrugged off Grey Gargoyles transmutation too which is superior to Mandarins matter manipulation considering it’s turned the likes of Thor to stone. Fixit saw through illusions created by the leader so he has experience with illusions. Grey Hulk has a good record against Iron man as well for what it’s worth.
Didn’t Fixit also break out of Ice mans constructs? I thought they were absolute zero.
Are you referring to Incredible Hulk 336-337? Where Iceman froze Fixit solid and he was incapacitated for the rest of the issue and half of the next? He was breaking his constructs, sure, but freezing him solid is what beat him. Even when Cyclops blasted an air hole for him he still didn't break out until they were on the road hours later and Bobby forgot to continuously reinforce the ice:
Also don't remember it saying anywhere that he was using absolute zero temperatures.
Fixit also shrugged off Grey Gargoyles transmutation too which is superior to Mandarins matter manipulation considering it’s turned the likes of Thor to stone.
I agree that Duval's transmutation is superior, but so is classic savage Hulk when compared to Gray Hulk. Mandarin's beam made Hulk scream out in pain and he said he couldn't move or breathe. It might not outright beat Fixit, but I imagine that would hinder him more since he's weaker and less durable than the green one. The point is that those attacks would be harder for him to overcome this time around and might wear him down more.
Fixit saw through illusions created by the leader so he has experience with illusions. Grey Hulk has a good record against Iron man as well for what it’s worth.
As for Iron Man, his showing against Joe in Hulk Smash Avengers 4 is just inconsistent bad writing. I'd prefer to go off of his showing against Fixit in his own book in issue 361 of Incredible Hulk.
Are you referring to Incredible Hulk 336-337? Where Iceman froze Fixit solid and he was incapacitated for the rest of the issue and half of the next? He was breaking his constructs, sure, but freezing him solid is what beat him. Even whenCyclops blasted an air hole for himhe still didn't break out until they were on the road hours later and Bobby forgot to continuously reinforce the ice:
Fair enough. My mistake.
I agree that Duval's transmutation is superior, but so is classic savage Hulk when compared to Gray Hulk. Mandarin's beam made Hulk scream out in pain and he said he couldn't move or breathe. It might not outright beat Fixit, but I imagine that would hinder him more since he's weaker and less durable than the green one. The point is that those attacks would be harder for him to overcome this time around and might wear him down more.
Well that's true. I don't think Mandarin is going to get stomped or anything, it's just Fixit has decent and good showings against Abomination, Thing, Thor, Iron man, Super Skrull etc and I think his durability, strength, thunderclaps will get him the win in a good fight.
Those are good showings, I don't deny that. It's just Leader is smarter than Mandarin and Fixit managed to see through them. Although I could see him getting stuck in their and ambushed.
As for Iron Man, his showing against Joe in Hulk Smash Avengers 4 is just inconsistent bad writing. I'd prefer to go off of his showing against Fixit in his own book in issue 361 of Incredible Hulk.
Well he did do well against Iron man in the Order comic series and he did wreck Iron man in Hulk: Grey (although that was Iron man's golden armour) not to mention his above feats that I've listed do make him beating Iron man not impossible.
When Joe was exposed even to small amounts of sunlight he noticed that Mr. Hyde was hardly bothered by his punches.
The second ring he could use is incandescence which has been constantly referenced as the container of a star/sun on your finger. It opens a portal to the heart of a sun.
I wonder what a solar flare from a star would do to Joe.
All of these methods I listed above would probably take Fixit out in a one-shot tbh.
Well that's true. I don't think Mandarin is going to get stomped or anything, it's just Fixit has decent and good showings against Abomination, Thing, Thor, Iron man, Super Skrull etc and I think his durability, strength, thunderclaps will get him the win in a good fight.
Obviously Mandarin also has good showings against Iron Man, but part of the reason he always loses is because Tony's suit is just so versatile with all of its defenses. Like he can heat up his armor when it gets frozen, handbook entries say his magnetic beam reinforced armor is immune to transmutation, he uses radar/satellites/sonar to counter being blinded, his suit has thermocouples that can absorb heat/lightning, etc. Gray Hulk cannot do any of that to counter the Mandarin's versatility, so I really don't think it's as easy as scaling to other bricks. As long as the Mandarin can hang long enough to use his rings, which he most definitely can due to his superior skill/speed, he can win. He's durable enough to stay in the fight if he gets hit a few times too.
The Mandarin might be surprised by a thunderclap, but I have no doubt that he could tank it and keep fighting. The next time Fixit tries a thunderclap he could just cancel out the soundwaves like he's done to Iron Man's sonics which are probably stronger than Joe's. As for the rest, I could argue Iron Man has done decent, or would do well against, those characters too but it's not really productive to get into it and my post is too long already.
Those are good showings, I don't deny that. It's just Leader is smarter than Mandarin and Fixit managed to see through them. Although I could see him getting stuck in their and ambushed.
I mean I'd argue that intellectually contending with and tricking Tony Stark constantly is more impressive than doing that with Bruce Banner like Sterns does. Although the Leader probably has more or better 'on paper' intellectual/prep feats than Mandarin does, it ultimately doesn't really matter for this feat. I'd be curious to know who else the Leader has tricked with his illusions. If dumb characters are the only ones that have been fooled by his illusions/holograms then I'd argue the Leader just has shitty and unconvincing ones. Meanwhile, the Mandarin's illusions have not only fooled Malekith and Maya Hansen, but even Tony had to use his equipment to determine which one was real.
So even Tony couldn't tell the difference.
Even when the rings were captured and monitored by the most advanced SHIELD scanning technology and agents with omega level clearance, they were still able to evade detection by the liar ring:
Well he did do well against Iron man in the Order comic series and he did wreck Iron man in Hulk: Grey (although that was Iron man's golden armour) not to mention his above feats that I've listed do make him beating Iron man not impossible.
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