Green Lantern, Zoom, Flash vs Trion Juggernaut

Who will win ? 
 
Ok I have to say that here are four things that I hate most in the comic, most of them have fanboy very crowded
 
GL consists of two Hal Parallax, Ion

BFR?

BFR or stelamate

@BlueHope said:

BFR or stelamate

QFT

@FiMFTW: @BlueHope: @dondave:

They can't BFR Trion Juggernaut. They don't have the power to do so. Neither is it stalemate. Trion punches through reality. Everyone dies.

@ThunderGodsWrath: Really? This guy sounds badass.

Could I have some scans?

@FiMFTW said:

@ThunderGodsWrath: Really? This guy sounds badass.

Could I have some scans?

@ThunderGodsWrath: couldn't they speed force dump him in the future

@ThunderGodsWrath said:

@FiMFTW said:

@ThunderGodsWrath: Really? This guy sounds badass.

Could I have some scans?

Holy sh!t.

Trion Juggs ftw

@dondave said:

@ThunderGodsWrath: couldn't they speed force dump him in the future

I never seen a Flash speed dump a being that big or powerful before.

@FiMFTW: LOL

@ThunderGodsWrath: Trion Juggernaut is killing Parallax and Ion?

@0n1zuka said:

@ThunderGodsWrath: Trion Juggernaut is killing Parallax and Ion?

Trion Juggernaut cannot be hurt. So only way would be BFR which probably wouldn't work seeing how he can punch through reality, and can probably just come right back.

@ThunderGodsWrath said:

@FiMFTW: @BlueHope: @dondave:

They can't BFR Trion Juggernaut. They don't have the power to do so. Neither is it stalemate. Trion punches through reality. Everyone dies.

so...what? This is the same thing superboy prime do(and better) and Flash still give him a lot of trouble, let alone Zoom. Juggs can't even see Zoom, how he is gonna kill him?

The only way to beat Trion Juggs is to separate him from his connection to the crimson cosmos (normally you need magic of some sort for that) or to BFR him.

Wally West could possibly speed steal him and completely immobilize, and therefore incapacitate him, but that's up to the OP on what counts as a victory.

@Dredeuced said:

The only way to beat Trion Juggs is to separate him from his connection to the crimson cosmos (normally you need magic of some sort for that) or to BFR him.

Wally West could possibly speed steal him and completely immobilize, and therefore incapacitate him, but that's up to the OP on what counts as a victory.

Why should speed steal work on a being with a Force Field? The point of Juggernaut is his Force Field which grants him the majority of his Feats.

How is Flash getting near him at all?

As proven Juggernaut can slow Momentum of a 2x Speed of Light Hammer throw to nothing.

What is Flash doing here again?

@CadenceV2: Well both Flash and Zoom are irrelevant considering they are teamed up with Ion (Not sure which one) and Parallax (Hal Jordan).

@CadenceV2 said:

@Dredeuced said:

The only way to beat Trion Juggs is to separate him from his connection to the crimson cosmos (normally you need magic of some sort for that) or to BFR him.

Wally West could possibly speed steal him and completely immobilize, and therefore incapacitate him, but that's up to the OP on what counts as a victory.

Why should speed steal work on a being with a Force Field? The point of Juggernaut is his Force Field which grants him the majority of his Feats.

How is Flash getting near him at all?

As proven Juggernaut can slow Momentum of a 2x Speed of Light Hammer throw to nothing.

What is Flash doing here again?

Wally does not have to get close to something to speed steal it. I'm also skeptical of both your claim that Thor was throwing his hammer at 2x lightspeed in this scan, and also the extent of his forcefield's power and use, considering the literally hundreds of times he's failed to use this power.

@Dredeuced: You can be Skeptical. Fact is Thor Hammer is thrown at insane Speed and Power up to 2x Speed of Light. i dont understand when Flash Fans have no problem saying (Flash attacks at the Speed of Light) all the time but Thor's Hammer Throw at one of the most Powerful Beings on Marvel Earth is less than his trademark 2x Light Speeds.

Also Flash has been tagged by Deathstroke, Captain Boomerang, and other Less than half the Speed of Light foes. Yet its cool for a Flash Fan to say Flash always Light Speeds, but juggernaut who shown his Force Field multiple times is not cool?

Bias again I say.

Sounds bias to me anyway.

Fact is Juggernaut Force Field slows Momentum to noghting. Speed = Momentum. No Momentum = No Speed.

Thor doesn't throw his hammer at enemies at lightspeed. Ever. It has lightspeed travel times but it's absolutely absurd to think everytime he throws it it's going at light speeds.

We assume Flash goes at lightspeeds because he's travelling certain distances in certain times that inherently indicate lightspeed. Flash has also had plenty of fights where he doesn't go at lightspeeds, sometimes he doesn't even break the speed of sound, and gets tagged for it -- doesn't mean much considering that it depends on the opponent he's facing. PS: He doesn't get tagged by Boomerang since the Walter West merging, or even after his big Kadabra fight where he connected with the speed force.

Deathstroke is also walking PIS. The dude broke a Green Lantern's shields and stole his ring with his barehands. Deathstroke does lots of stupid crap that shouldn't be taken seriously.

Again, I want the context of the scan, it's absurd for you to link and assume that Juggernaut goes straight to using a power if you don't even know the context of the singular issue he uses the power. Also, how often does Juggernaut use that power? You said that's 40 year old scan, has he ever used that power in the last 40 years? Because I can give you a dozen flash speed stealing scans from the last 40 years. Juggernaut gets punched by like, everyone in the world, all the time, without ever slowing their momentum with his forcefield. Flash has some low showings, but he fights at lightspeed and speed steals far more often than never.

@Dredeuced said:

Thor doesn't throw his hammer at enemies at lightspeed. Ever. It has lightspeed travel times but it's absolutely absurd to think everytime he throws it it's going at light speeds.

We assume Flash goes at lightspeeds because he's travelling certain distances in certain times that inherently indicate lightspeed. Flash has also had plenty of fights where he doesn't go at lightspeeds, sometimes he doesn't even break the speed of sound, and gets tagged for it -- doesn't mean much considering that it depends on the opponent he's facing. PS: He doesn't get tagged by Boomerang since the Walter West merging, or even after his big Kadabra fight where he connected with the speed force.

Deathstroke is also walking PIS. The dude broke a Green Lantern's shields and stole his ring with his barehands. Deathstroke does lots of stupid crap that shouldn't be taken seriously.

Again, I want the context of the scan, also, how often does Juggernaut use that power? You said that's 40 year old scan, has he ever used that power in the last 40 years? Because I can give you a dozen flash speed stealing scans from the last 40 years.

All I heard in this Is Thor attack isnt light speed yatta yatta.

The Context to the scan? What you see is what you get guy. Juggernaut stops dead Thor Hammer that has knocked beings into space.

Force Field can propell attacker on a whim.

Force Field stopped Beast Cold in air.

Look at this. cant beat thru that Forcefield to land a single blow or touch!

That looks FTL Throw to me LOL

Point is You have NO PROOF of anything Flash does will get thru the Force Field that I showed multiple times no. Trion Juggs is such a Buff in power he punches thru Realities.

What is Flash or Zoom doing here again?

Again, why would a forcefield stop speed stealing? Wally does not have to be in melee range to speed steal something. Wally just prevents him from creating Kinetic energy and he can no longer move. You have no proof that his force field can stop flash's speed steal.

Also, why does his force field not work in any more recent stories? I just don't get why the Hulk can punch him if he can stop FTL Mjolnir hits. It looks to me like it's an automatic power -- if it's something he has to consciously use, then sure, but I still don't see why it'd stop speed steal.

@Dredeuced said:

Again, why would a forcefield stop speed stealing? Wally does not have to be in melee range to speed steal something. Wally just prevents him from creating Kinetic energy and he can no longer move. You have no proof that his force field can stop flash's speed steal.

Also, why does his force field not work in any more recent stories? I just don't get why the Hulk can punch him if he can stop FTL Mjolnir hits. It looks to me like it's an automatic power -- if it's something he has to consciously use, then sure, but I still don't see why it'd stop speed steal.

It shouldn't work because Juggernaut is drawing Crimson Energy from the Crimson Cosmos which is lager than our Universe.

Also any proof of Flash Speed Stealing working thru Force fields, magic ones that are uber powerful at that?

Can Flash Speed Steal the Universe? As long as Trion juggs is getting Energy from the Cromson Cosmos, that keeps Juggs moving and being unstoppable, then I see no reason why it will work at all.

He speed stole Amazo who had a green lantern force field, if that counts. Otherwise I do not believe he's done it on any other opponent with a force field.

There's been no defined limit on Flash's speed steal. The largest thing he's ever speed stolen would be the planet earth, or when he absorbed the speed of every person on Earth and also Radioland in The Human Race. The only time speed steal has not worked was on Zoom.

Wally isn't stopping him, just preventing him from moving. For instance -- he said, at one point, he could speed steal Superman, but didn't because Superman was already in flight, and if he suddenly could no longer alter his own speed, he'd crash into a nearby city and harm some folks. Speed Steal removes your ability to produce your own kinetic energy, it doesn't sap away all of your power. It's basically just Wally's effective control over kinetic energy, as he's the avatar of the multiversal embodiment of kinetic energy.

Also, isn't Trion Juggs just the 12% of the physical embodiment of the Crimson Cosmos? I guess that 12% of infinity is still infinite, but I always thought the explanations behind how he gets his powers and how the crimson cosmos operates to be weird.

I mean, to be honest, I don't think you're necessarily wrong for thinking Wally couldn't handle the burden of cutting off Trion Juggs from his speed. I also agree that Wally and Zoom's striking potential shouldn't even affect Juggs, and Ion and Parallax (unless it's zerohour multiverse buster/creator Parallax) shouldn't be in the same league as Trion. I wouldn't disagree if you think Trion can't lose and, via reality punching, could destroy the universe this fight inhabits without harming himself.

If it's conceded that Wally could speed steal and incapacitate him, that could count as a win, but otherwise Trion should have this. I was just battling the Juggernaut forcefield thing that comes up a lot, because it's always in really old scans and it seems like he hasn't used the power in decades, considering how much people beat the crap out of him and get close to him without coming to a dead stop.

@CadenceV2 said:

@Dredeuced said:

The only way to beat Trion Juggs is to separate him from his connection to the crimson cosmos (normally you need magic of some sort for that) or to BFR him.

Wally West could possibly speed steal him and completely immobilize, and therefore incapacitate him, but that's up to the OP on what counts as a victory.

Why should speed steal work on a being with a Force Field? The point of Juggernaut is his Force Field which grants him the majority of his Feats.

How is Flash getting near him at all?

As proven Juggernaut can slow Momentum of a 2x Speed of Light Hammer throw to nothing.

What is Flash doing here again?

Get murdered?

Trion Juggs, ftw.

All three of the DC can not do anything Trion , he is immortal.
Whether you have many thousands of times faster than light Trion can still punch or trampled to the ground with a force of thousands of tons . I think Flash and Zoom will be hurt pretty badly because of their durability not like Superman they just faster human level . Zoom and Flash can not BFR or disabled limbs or of Trion , Zoom and Flash can not manipulate reality and immune Trion and with this

@Captain_Vietnam: If you don't mind clarifying something... are the GL's in this fight Parallax and Ion? It says so in the op, but I want to make sure I'm reading that right.

@Dredeuced: what makes you think that throw was 2x the speed of light?

Juggernaut...

But since I like Wally..I'll choose him, but Zoom and GL...they get stomped.

@CalebHara said:

@Dredeuced: what makes you think that throw was 2x the speed of light?

I don't. I said it wasn't. He was the one who contended that his forcefield stopped the 2x speed of light Mjolnir, I said Thor literally has never thrown his hammer at someone at light speeds.

Guys, we have to watch this Zoom and Flash is too fast , but they can not do Trion could not move , keep in mind the time always goes by Trion body can still work and with a punch or stomp foot thousands of tons emitted pulse energy .

And durability of Trion is infinite . Zoom and Flash has beaten people who have similar durability Doomsday ever ? I had never heard of this .

A sad end for Flash and Zoom as well as their fan boy .

Trion Juggs in a stomp

@Lone_Wolf_and_Cub said:

Trion Juggs in a stomp

this flash and friends die quick

I can't see Juggernaut hurting Parallax and Ion.

I created this topic because Flash, Zoom has too much fan boy and they do not seem to be here. They always have these stupid topics like Flash & Zoom vs Galatus, Runner, SS, Thor, Shazam, Black Adam, Spectre, Superman, Ares (DC) or Odin ....etc

I am one of the fanboys you're talking about. Just because I argue in Wally and Zoom's favor in other threads where their powers and feats clearly give them a chance, doesn't mean they should be taking on absurdly power individuals like Trion Juggernaut. As I said, unless speed steal works, they get crushed. Or if it's ZH Parallax.

Flash or Zoom could beat most of the guys you listed, though.

Hmmm...

Only way I see a win for team DC is BFR. None of those guys have anything more powerful than a godblast from Mjolnir, which only succeeded in slowing Juggsy down. Thor was actually able to almost defeat Juggsy by using Mjolnir to create a magical vortex, effectively cutting Cain off from Cytorrak...and his forcefield. Thor would've won...except that the 60 seconds were up and Cain was able to regain his force field (Mighty Thor 429).

So, notwithstanding BFR, I don't see how team DC wins. On the other hand...how does Cain secure a win against opponents who are all arguably out of reach for him? Zoom and Wally are too fast and GL can fly.

If Cain could actually get his hands on any of them? Game over.

couldnt zoom go back to a time before cain marko was trion or even juggernaught at all and pimp smack him through a wall? seems like a dc win to me given this scenario.

@zr0c00l said:

couldnt zoom go back to a time before cain marko was trion or even juggernaught at all and pimp smack him through a wall? seems like a dc win to me given this scenario.

Zoom can't time travel. Wally can but we usually keep time travel out of fights.

@Dredeuced: ah youre right about zoom. but about time travel, i see it as an ability that can be used like any other.taking it away is a handicap like taking supermans strength away. if they have the ability and the fights not going their way, believe theyll use it.

Wally has only, in the most dire situations, used time travel to save the day. Usually only when his enemy is time travelling like Blue Cobalt, Kadabra, or Professor Zoom. Wally is very, VERY wary of time travel, and in a neutral universe, I don't think he could go back in time to Marvel Earth to kill Cain. This fight would have to specifically take place in the Marvel universe and timeline that Trion Juggernaut occurred. And like I said, Wally would probably die before he even attempted to.

Trion Juggernaut

Basically, juggs is gonna stand still for a while, then notice the speedsters attacking him. Then he'd laugh, punch holes in reality and destroy the everything

@nickthedevil said:

Flash can solo. Parallax can solo. Zoom can stalemate.

..... honestly I figure you say Zoom could win but what is Flash and Parralax going to do?

@CadenceV2 said:

@nickthedevil said:

Flash can solo. Parallax can solo. Zoom can stalemate.

..... honestly I figure you say Zoom could win but what is Flash and Parralax going to do?

I think the better question is what is Jugg's going to do. I can't find anything Trion other than him smashing a universal wall and although that sound's impressive what exactly can that accomplish in this fight?

@Dextersinister said:

@CadenceV2 said:

@nickthedevil said:

Flash can solo. Parallax can solo. Zoom can stalemate.

..... honestly I figure you say Zoom could win but what is Flash and Parralax going to do?

I think the better question is what is Jugg's going to do. I can't find anything Trion other than him smashing a universal wall and although that sound's impressive what exactly can that accomplish in this fight?

The point is Trion cannot be BFR, he can slow down Momentum around him to non existent, he cannot be harm by physical means at all, and he has Reality Ripping Punches.

So all the speed in the world mean nothing thanks to his Force Field Feats and and Speed Steal means nothing thanks to his power coming from the Crimson Cosmos which keeps giving him Momentum and power. Thus the term UNSTOPPABLE Juggernaut.

I can not understand is, why are there so many fanatical fan boy for Zoom and Flash, I agree that they are very fast, but they are not durable they do not fly, they do not have attack power blast, physical strength they are mostly melee speed by increasing blow up a billion times in one second.

@ To all fan boy Flash and Zoom, there was a comic of DC shows Flash and Zoom beat the character and strength slowly as Doomsday or Despero?
 
Remember to fast does not mean strong. Evidence slower than Superman Doomsday killed him, Hulk slower than Sentry but he beat Sentry