Green Lantern vs Vision

Standard-Vision gets 1 day Prep,

(Hal Jordan)Green Lantern gets a big surprise

Location: Abandoned City.

Starting Distance: Opposite Sides of the City

Morality turned off for Vision.

Morality on for Hal Jordan

FIGHT!

Green Lantern unless Vision somhow figured out away to sneak up on him.

Lantern

Can Vision phase through GL constructs? If he can, Vision wins. If he can't, Hal's got this.

@venomoushatred1001 said:

Can Vision phase through GL constructs? If he can, Vision wins. If he can't, Hal's got this.

This.

GL.

@venomoushatred1001 said:

Can Vision phase through GL constructs? If he can, Vision wins. If he can't, Hal's got this.

This.

@jashro44 said:

@jojjimbo said:

@venomoushatred1001 said:

Can Vision phase through GL constructs? If he can, Vision wins. If he can't, Hal's got this.

This.

I think I saw a scan a while back of john Stewart encasing the martian manhunter.

That doesn't prove anything unless Manhunter was using his intangibility on it.

@jashro44 said:

@jojjimbo said:

@venomoushatred1001 said:

Can Vision phase through GL constructs? If he can, Vision wins. If he can't, Hal's got this.

This.

I think I saw a scan a while back of john Stewart encasing the martian manhunter.

That was in Cosmic Odyssey. J'onn has also shattered an amped John Stewart's construct in Trial by Fire.

@jashro44: Not that I can remember, but then they don't have many intangible foes. Then again, they can manipulate magnetic fields, and Magneto owned Vision with just that in Avengers #24.1.

@jashro44 said:

@venomoushatred1001: I would assume he tried it considering he was completely trapped and desperately trying to get out. I will have to check later for the scans but I don't see a reason why he wouldn't use intangibility.

You have to remember that in comics heroes often forget to use their abilities(i blame the writers for not being consistent with their powers) but until some one can show me that GL shield can stop intangibles from passing through, I'm gonna have to go with Vision on this one.

@jojjimbo said:

@jashro44 said:

@venomoushatred1001: I would assume he tried it considering he was completely trapped and desperately trying to get out. I will have to check later for the scans but I don't see a reason why he wouldn't use intangibility.

You have to remember that in comics heroes often forget to use their abilities(i blame the writers for not being consistent with their powers) but until some one can show me that GL shield can stop intangibles from passing through, I'm gonna have to go with Vision on this one.

Yeah, my vote goes to Vision as well, until I see proof he can stop intangibles.

@jashro44: Not that I can remember, but then they don't have many intangible foes. Then again, they can manipulate magnetic fields, and Magneto owned Vision with just that in Avengers #24.1.

@czarny_samael666 said:

@CitizenBane said:

@jashro44: Not that I can remember, but then they don't have many intangible foes. Then again, they can manipulate magnetic fields, and Magneto owned Vision with just that in Avengers #24.1.

Remember, that before that Vision was able to hold his heart and Magneto couldn't stop him from doing this.

Because Magneto wasn't expecting it.

@czarny_samael666 said:

@CitizenBane said:

@jashro44: Not that I can remember, but then they don't have many intangible foes. Then again, they can manipulate magnetic fields, and Magneto owned Vision with just that in Avengers #24.1.

Remember, that before that Vision was able to hold his heart and Magneto couldn't stop him from doing this.

Because Magneto wasn't expecting it.

Morals off I'd say Vision wins. 
 
During Flash: Rebirth Hal couldn't hold on to Flash when he was phasing.

So Vision goes intangible....and then what?

Can he still attack while intangible (besides phasing himself threw a person)?

@_slim_ said:

So Vision goes intangible....and then what?

Can he still attack while intangible (besides phasing himself threw a person)?

Yes.

Yeah, sorry I'm not buying.

Yes, he can go intangible and still attack as you say. Why would Hal just try to go heads up with him, once he realize Vision has gone intangible. Couldn't Hal just dodge attacks from Vision and I doubt Vision can keep up with Hal if he chose to just stay out of range. And I guess you are assuming Vision will just remain intangible the whole time.

Also what will Vision do with that 1 day of prep that will sway the battle in his favor?

@_slim_ said:

Yeah, sorry I'm not buying.

Yes, he can go intangible and still attack as you say. Why would Hal just try to go heads up with him, once he realize Vision has gone intangible. Couldn't Hal just dodge attacks from Vision and I doubt Vision can keep up with Hal if he chose to just stay out of range. And I guess you are assuming Vision will just remain intangible the whole time.

Also what will Vision do with that 1 day of prep that will sway the battle in his favor?

How is Hal gonna dodge having his heart ripped out of his chest?

Doesnt matter if Vision can phase through GLs force fields.GL can cast energy blasts etc.

I go with Hal but it will be difficult.

@venomoushatred1001 said:

@_slim_ said:

Yeah, sorry I'm not buying.

Yes, he can go intangible and still attack as you say. Why would Hal just try to go heads up with him, once he realize Vision has gone intangible. Couldn't Hal just dodge attacks from Vision and I doubt Vision can keep up with Hal if he chose to just stay out of range. And I guess you are assuming Vision will just remain intangible the whole time.

Also what will Vision do with that 1 day of prep that will sway the battle in his favor?

How is Hal gonna dodge having his heart ripped out of his chest?

How is Vision gonna be able to catch Hal to do that? Just because Vision has gone intangible, it doesn't mean he is invisible. Hal is just gonna stand there?

@Stronger said:

Doesnt matter if Vision can phase through GLs force fields.GL can cast energy blasts etc.

I go with Hal but it will be difficult.

Vision can phase through energy blasts.

@_slim_ said:

@venomoushatred1001 said:

@_slim_ said:

Yeah, sorry I'm not buying.

Yes, he can go intangible and still attack as you say. Why would Hal just try to go heads up with him, once he realize Vision has gone intangible. Couldn't Hal just dodge attacks from Vision and I doubt Vision can keep up with Hal if he chose to just stay out of range. And I guess you are assuming Vision will just remain intangible the whole time.

Also what will Vision do with that 1 day of prep that will sway the battle in his favor?

How is Hal gonna dodge having his heart ripped out of his chest?

How is Vision gonna be able to catch Hal to do that? Just because Vision has gone intangible, it doesn't mean he is invisible. Hal is just gonna stand there?

I don't have the scans but Vision is very fast. I'll look for them.

@venomoushatred1001: I'm not doubting he's speed. I'm just saying that I don't he's speed would be greater than Hal's or speed that Hal can't react to.

Vision FTW - an hours prep to find Hal would not give him chance to react to Vision passing through him at top speed...

@Harddrivexxii said:

Vision FTW - an hours prep to find Hal would not give him chance to react to Vision passing through him at top speed...

It's not an hours prep to find Hal.

@_slim_ said:

@Harddrivexxii said:

Vision FTW - an hours prep to find Hal would not give him chance to react to Vision passing through him at top speed...

It's not an hours prep to find Hal.

Ok whatever - if they are opposites side of the city they aren't in sight of each other - Hal has no idea on Visions capabilities and Vision has had time to prepare. Hal would see Vision coming fast and would throw up a construct - Vision would pass through the construct - then through Hal ... Hal does have quick reactions (being a pilot) but he wouldn't be fast enough to react to Vision ...

@Harddrivexxii said:

@_slim_ said:

@Harddrivexxii said:

Vision FTW - an hours prep to find Hal would not give him chance to react to Vision passing through him at top speed...

It's not an hours prep to find Hal.

Ok whatever - if they are opposites side of the city they aren't in sight of each other - Hal has no idea on Visions capabilities and Vision has had time to prepare. Hal would see Vision coming fast and would throw up a construct - Vision would pass through the construct - then through Hal ... Hal does have quick reactions (being a pilot) but he wouldn't be fast enough to react to Vision ...

Your assuming Vision starts out intangible.

And what could Vision do with prep that would give him an significant advantage against GL.

@_slim_ said:

@Harddrivexxii said:

@_slim_ said:

@Harddrivexxii said:

Vision FTW - an hours prep to find Hal would not give him chance to react to Vision passing through him at top speed...

It's not an hours prep to find Hal.

Ok whatever - if they are opposites side of the city they aren't in sight of each other - Hal has no idea on Visions capabilities and Vision has had time to prepare. Hal would see Vision coming fast and would throw up a construct - Vision would pass through the construct - then through Hal ... Hal does have quick reactions (being a pilot) but he wouldn't be fast enough to react to Vision ...

Your assuming Vision starts out intangible.

And what could Vision do with prep that would give him an significant advantage against GL.

With that prep time he could find out the capabilities of a Green Lantern - Vision is an android and would find a weakness. Being an android he would formulate the best way to take out Hal. My opinion is that he would want to do this quickly as morals are off and the quickest way would be to turn intangible, fly straight through the city, and straight at Hal. Hal would be able to react quick enough to throw up a defensive construct but not quick enough to react to Vision passing straight through it.

@Harddrivexxii said:

@_slim_ said:

@Harddrivexxii said:

@_slim_ said:

@Harddrivexxii said:

Vision FTW - an hours prep to find Hal would not give him chance to react to Vision passing through him at top speed...

It's not an hours prep to find Hal.

Ok whatever - if they are opposites side of the city they aren't in sight of each other - Hal has no idea on Visions capabilities and Vision has had time to prepare. Hal would see Vision coming fast and would throw up a construct - Vision would pass through the construct - then through Hal ... Hal does have quick reactions (being a pilot) but he wouldn't be fast enough to react to Vision ...

Your assuming Vision starts out intangible.

And what could Vision do with prep that would give him an significant advantage against GL.

With that prep time he could find out the capabilities of a Green Lantern - Vision is an android and would find a weakness. Being an android he would formulate the best way to take out Hal. My opinion is that he would want to do this quickly as morals are off and the quickest way would be to turn intangible, fly straight through the city, and straight at Hal. Hal would be able to react quick enough to throw up a defensive construct but not quick enough to react to Vision passing straight through it.

In an abandoned city Hal will see Vision coming. As I said before he will realize Vision is in an intangible state before Vision can get in range to do any harm (constructs/firing shots). GL can always use his flight speed to stay out of range from Vision. Now as for how he can deal with Vision in an intangible state (assuming he stays intangible the entire battle) I don't know. There are more ways this battle can go than just Vision flying straight through GL while intangible and that being it.

I agree - this is just an opinion of how it could go. There is no reference to beings phasing through a Lanterns construct either. If Vision isn't capable of doing that he gets a serious stomping.

I can't find a reference to Vision's flight speed so I have no idea if he could keep up with Hal.

Running isn't winning. Vision could keep going until the Ring runs out of charge (which would take a long time) but Hal would tire a lot quicker than that.

"Running isn't winning. Vision could keep going until the Ring runs out of charge (which would take a long time) but Hal would tire a lot quicker than that." Thats a good point, i agree that straight up hal outclasses vision in every way. however, if he cant stop vision any other way except for running vision can remain intangible indefinately as far as i know and since hes an android he never tires making him a bad match up for the lantern. imo vision ftw

Hmm didn't think about the points that were made perhaps Vision could win this.

IF constructs don't affect intangeables, then Vision could win. In general though I would bet on Hal.

I say again Flash has phased through one of Hal's constructs so I think Vision can. Plus Vision can be partially intangible and partially solid. He destroyed a gremlin thingy be becoming the density of quicksand and absorbing it. He also stayed partially solid to fist fight Silver Surfer in the lava of an active volcano.

Hal.

Hal can take this because like it was already said,GL's can control magnet fields and Magneto owned Vision with that.

I hate intangibility.

Should I point out that Lanterns themselves can phase or is that a one-off feat like many of Thor's random powers?

Lantern for sure

Green Lantern Hal Jordan.

bump

My answer is unchanged.

@venomoushatred1001 said:

Can Vision phase through GL constructs? If he can, Vision wins. If he can't, Hal's got this.

I hate intangibility.

Should I point out that Lanterns themselves can phase or is that a one-off feat like many of Thor's random powers?

@jashro44: I don't like to answer in a thread i've made, but you're right with 'thors random 60s powers", yet at the same time it is debatable, because anything Thor does, can probably be done again because he's the epic God of Thunder, so he's not the best example, but your point is still right on the nail.

It's just one of those things that you can argue forever and get nowhere.

GL

Green Lantern Hal Jordan.

So Vision goes intangible....and then what?

Can he still attack while intangible (besides phasing himself threw a person)?