"Depends on which Green Lantern... it would take an experienced one to beat Quasar "
Yeah, and it depends on the Quasar too. Richard would more than likely get trounced by most named lanterns, he was only Quasar for a few minutes and would prob be hard pressed to beat any Vet w/ a ring. Whereass Phyla could probably hold her own, against Vath, Isamot, Natu, Iolade, Arisia, The Lost Lanterns and the like it could go either way and go there fast. Yet the best of Lanterns, Hal, John, Guy, Kyle, Kilowog and Salaak would trounce her, yet could also loose in a good bout against Wendell. I'd take Kyle and Hal over Wendel, and give him a 6/10 majority against John, Guy, and Kilowog.
"Depends on which Green Lantern... it would take an experienced one to beat Quasar "
Yeah, and it depends on the Quasar too. Richard would more than likely get trounced by most named lanterns, he was only Quasar for a few minutes and would prob be hard pressed to beat any Vet w/ a ring. Whereass Phyla could probably hold her own, against Vath, Isamot, Natu, Iolade, Arisia, The Lost Lanterns and the like it could go either way and go there fast. Yet the best of Lanterns, Hal, John, Guy, Kyle, Kilowog and Salaak would trounce her, yet could also loose in a good bout against Wendell. I'd take Kyle and Hal over Wendel, and give him a 6/10 majority against John, Guy, and Kilowog. "
This is the sort of thing where I can go either way. Depends on what version of Wendall we are talking about. I can bring up his holding his own against Rachel w/ the Phoenix Force and people will call that PIS, other people can bring up the fight with Gladiator and I will call that PIS. The guy is supposed to have the same job(more or less) as the GLC. Since he is the only one doing it as opposed to 7200 GL's that says to me that maybe, just maybe, He is supposed to be powered accordingly. But ultimately it comes down to perception. I think he should be more powerful than any one Lantern, but his showings are so varied I am going to say Hal 6/10, Kyle 5/10, the next level of Lantern 4/10, anything below loses all the time.
Any sizable differences between the power of the Green Lantern Rings and the QuantumBands can be traced to their respective writers knowledge of how energy functions and knowledge of the Electromagnetic Spectrum.
When the GL ring was created, I seriously doubt Bill Finger had the knowledge of science that Mark Gruenwald had when he fully explored the QuantumBands in the late 80's early 90's.
When later writers of GL wrote themselves into a corner they used the excuse of "It's Magic" and then proceed to do whatever they needed to get Hal Jordan out of jams. When people say "The GL Rings are more versatile..." this is actually what they are talking about. Not sure where the 'F' they get faster from...
Mark Gruenwald wrote the q-bands to entirely objects cemented in science. For everything the q-bands do there is at least a strong scientific hypothosis to explain how. The same cannot be said for the Green Lantern Rings.
As far as Quasar vs. Hal or Quasar vs. Kyle: I think the deciding factor would come down to expirence more than anything else. Hell, at least one fight the color of the the constructs could greatly effect the outcome, but I see Quasar winning against Kyle 6-7 out of 10 fights, but losing to Hal by a similar margin.
For the record: When I saw Quasar I am refering to Wendell Vaughn.
I have to agree with Emerald General Jai. I think Wendell would probably lose against Hal or Kyle but probably be able to beat the other high level lanterns like Guy, John and Killowog.
"I have to agree with Emerald General Jai. I think Wendell would probably lose against Hal or Kyle but probably be able to beat the other high level lanterns like Guy, John and Killowog."
GL are protectors of sections of a galaxy there are 7200 of them. The Quantam bands make Wendel alone protector of the universe they can absorb and transmute the energy of entire stars as much. The quantam bands are far more powerful than a gl ring.
The power rings artifacts are considered to be the most powerful weapons in the DC Comics Universe, as their scope is limited only by the imagination and willpower of the wielder. Power ring (DC Comics) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"The power rings artifacts are considered to be the most powerful weapons in the DC Comics Universe, as their scope is limited only by the imagination and willpower of the wielder. Power ring (DC Comics) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Artifacts are generally more powerful in the Marvel Universe (Infinity Gems, Ultimate Nullifier...etc...) and the Quantum Bands are rated as within the top 5.
"The power rings artifacts are considered to be the most powerful weapons in the DC Comics Universe, as their scope is limited only by the imagination and willpower of the wielder. Power ring (DC Comics) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Yes and with that in consideration tell me who they have manage to beat in battle that can compare to quasar, there constructs can be broken and they cant transmute real energy, Quasar can. He can also make stronger shields than them, and you can take a ring from a GL you cant remove the bands from Quasar easily at all.
For a very long time, power rings were unable to affect objects colored yellow. Lanterns have typically found ways to get around these limitations by affecting objects indirectly. Originally, it was believed that the "yellow impurity" was implanted deliberately because the Guardians wanted the rings to have a weakness to prevent a Green Lantern from becoming all-powerful. More recent events have revealed that the "yellow impurity" was in fact caused by a yellow energy being, named Parallax, made of pure fear imprisoned in the Central Power Battery. Following the defeat of this creature, an experienced wielder of a power ring can, with effort, overcome the yellow weakness by recognizing the fear behind it, and facing that fear.
~ from Wiki
Quasar's constructs are yellow by default. Dividing your attention between concentrating one's greatest fear while fighting someone with very comparable powers who just as adept at using them as you are is a tall order, even for the greatest veteren of the GL Corps. I have to give the edge to Quasar.
"I don't think yellow affects there rings anymore "
It does. Geoff Johns making the effort to show it is another story entirely.I haven't seen anything pointedly saying that Green Lanterns can freely effect yellow. "
Then go back and re-read GLC. You have a couple of instances where Guy explains to the Rookies they need only conquer their fears to affect Yellow. An the entire point of SCW was them facing opponents w/ comparable/identical weapons and they harness the power of fear itself. So an arguement that Wendell will get a pass b/c of yellow doesn't really fly when dealing w/ any of the vets. Hence why i did the break down w/ different Quasar's and the diff GL's. I don't see anything that really leads me to beleive the quantom bands are any better than the current GL Rings.
"I don't think yellow affects there rings anymore "
It does. Geoff Johns making the effort to show it is another story entirely.I haven't seen anything pointedly saying that Green Lanterns can freely effect yellow. "
You need to seriously catch up on your GL then lol. Only rookies have that problem now.
@SeSAW: The quantum bands absorb and manipulate energy from the electromagnetic spectrum. Energies from different dimensions and universes like darkforce and magic bypass his constructs, a lantern's green energy might have similar effects until I see the two of them actually fight to determine this.
If it were a contest to absorb star energy then sure Quasar would win. But in a straight out fight I think Hal and even Kyle are better at using their powers in a fight and defeating opponents. Its not all about the power of their equipment.
The yellow weakness difficulty has either been retconned or simply forgotten, since we have seen no sign of it throughout the Sinestro corps war. If the GL's had difficulty with yellow, they would not really be able to win the war, but instead, as soon as killing is authorised, they pretty much rout up all the sinestros. Human Lanterns and the lost lanterns were quite happy to take on significant sinestro forces on their own, and they seemed to do just fine.
"@Satyrquaze said: Then go back and re-read GLC. You have a couple of instances where Guy explains to the Rookies they need only conquer their fears to affect Yellow. An the entire point of SCW was them facing opponents w/ comparable/identical weapons and they harness the power of fear itself. So an arguement that Wendell will get a pass b/c of yellow doesn't really fly when dealing w/ any of the vets. Hence why i did the break down w/ different Quasar's and the diff GL's. I don't see anything that really leads me to beleive the quantom bands are any better than the current GL Rings. "
Hal and John had to 'remember their greatest fear' as recently as post-rebirth in order to effect a yellow manhunter ship, in I think Green Lantern #2-3
Maybe G. Johns retconned it since then without giving any sort of explaination... it's possible, he does that kind of thing.
"Hal and John had to 'remember their greatest fear' as recently as post-rebirth in order to effect a yellow manhunter ship, in I think Green Lantern #2-3Maybe G. Johns retconned it since then without giving any sort of explaination... it's possible, he does that kind of thing. "
SCW has no mention of the yellow difficulty, and that's even more recent. Yes, It's quite possible he just phased it out.
"The yellow weakness difficulty has either been retconned or simply forgotten, since we have seen no sign of it throughout the Sinestro corps war. If the GL's had difficulty with yellow, they would not really be able to win the war, but instead, as soon as killing is authorised, they pretty much rout up all the sinestros. Human Lanterns and the lost lanterns were quite happy to take on significant sinestro forces on their own, and they seemed to do just fine."
I think part of that could be explained away as surprise on the part by the Sinestros.
"The yellow weakness difficulty has either been retconned or simply forgotten, since we have seen no sign of it throughout the Sinestro corps war. If the GL's had difficulty with yellow, they would not really be able to win the war, but instead, as soon as killing is authorised, they pretty much rout up all the sinestros. Human Lanterns and the lost lanterns were quite happy to take on significant sinestro forces on their own, and they seemed to do just fine."
I think part of that could be explained away as surprise on the part by the Sinestros. "
But it does not explain how Hal and Kyle were capable of holding off dozens of SCs on their own.
"@Satyrquaze said: SCW has no mention of the yellow difficulty, and that's even more recent. Yes, It's quite possible he just phased it out."
Yeah, I'm not a fan of John's work, this is just another reason.
In the final analysis, Quasar curbstomps pretty much any other GL other than Hal and maybe Kyle. I still think Wendell takes out Kyle after a long and difficult fight. Worse case scenario Wendell just stalemates Kyle until Kyle runs out of power. That alone makes the Quantum-bands superior to the Power Rings.
"The yellow weakness difficulty has either been retconned or simply forgotten, since we have seen no sign of it throughout the Sinestro corps war. If the GL's had difficulty with yellow, they would not really be able to win the war, but instead, as soon as killing is authorised, they pretty much rout up all the sinestros. Human Lanterns and the lost lanterns were quite happy to take on significant sinestro forces on their own, and they seemed to do just fine."
I think part of that could be explained away as surprise on the part by the Sinestros. "
But it does not explain how Hal and Kyle were capable of holding off dozens of SCs on their own."
"The yellow weakness difficulty has either been retconned or simply forgotten, since we have seen no sign of it throughout the Sinestro corps war. If the GL's had difficulty with yellow, they would not really be able to win the war, but instead, as soon as killing is authorised, they pretty much rout up all the sinestros. Human Lanterns and the lost lanterns were quite happy to take on significant sinestro forces on their own, and they seemed to do just fine."
I think part of that could be explained away as surprise on the part by the Sinestros. "
But it does not explain how Hal and Kyle were capable of holding off dozens of SCs on their own."
Experience. "
If the yellow weakness was still there they would have a hard time fighting off just a couple sinestros, regardless of the experience.
"@Satyrquaze said: But it does not explain how Hal and Kyle were capable of holding off dozens of SCs on their own."
Experience. "
If the yellow weakness was still there they would have a hard time fighting off just a couple sinestros, regardless of the experience."
Alright, fine.
In the begining of the SCW, Kyle was beating all those Sinestro-corps members becasue he was the vessel for the Ion entity after that he was wasn't beating any Sinestros.. he was killing Lanterns. At the end of the war he was playing second fiddle to Hal who was kicking Sinestro's ass. So, I'm not sure when you mean.
As far as Hal, Geoff Johns is Hal Jordan's his biggest fan, he'd write him taking out everyone in the DCU with a ball of twine and a AA battery if he thought he could get away with it.
"@SeSAW said: What I can tell is that you never read Green Lantern...On top of that you are a moron that thinks Namor can beat Black AdamPlease dont speak to me"
But, he not that far off, this time, Quasar *could* beat 3-4 GL rookies without breaking a sweat.
"@SeSAW said: What I can tell is that you never read Green Lantern...On top of that you are a moron that thinks Namor can beat Black AdamPlease dont speak to me"
But, he not that far off, this time, Quasar *could* beat 3-4 GL rookies without breaking a sweat. "
Rookies..sure why not..but it doesnt state him fighting Rookies
SeSaw being the blind Marvel fantard he is...is implying that Quasar can take 3-4 top Lanterns like Kilowag and the Honor Guardians by himself..which is a complete pile of crap
"I don't think yellow affects there rings anymore "
It does. Geoff Johns making the effort to show it is another story entirely.I haven't seen anything pointedly saying that Green Lanterns can freely effect yellow. "
In Secret Origins..Kilowag explained to a rookie Hal Jordan that a GL only needs to conquer his inner fear to overcome yellow
"@Satyrquaze said: But it does not explain how Hal and Kyle were capable of holding off dozens of SCs on their own."
Experience. "
If the yellow weakness was still there they would have a hard time fighting off just a couple sinestros, regardless of the experience."
Alright, fine.In the begining of the SCW, Kyle was beating all those Sinestro-corps members becasue he was the vessel for the Ion entity after that he was wasn't beating any Sinestros.. he was killing Lanterns. At the end of the war he was playing second fiddle to Hal who was kicking Sinestro's ass. So, I'm not sure when you mean.As far as Hal, Geoff Johns is Hal Jordan's his biggest fan, he'd write him taking out everyone in the DCU with a ball of twine and a AA battery if he thought he could get away with it. "
Geoff Johns has already said in interviews that his favorite super hero is Flash so quit it with the stupid excuses.
@Satyrquaze said:
"@Mr. Exfed said:
"@SeSAW said: What I can tell is that you never read Green Lantern...On top of that you are a moron that thinks Namor can beat Black AdamPlease dont speak to me"
But, he not that far off, this time, Quasar *could* beat 3-4 GL rookies without breaking a sweat. "
No he said that Quasar could beat 3-4 GL's he didn't say rookies. Which is a load of BS.
Hal can beat Quasar Kyle can beat Quasar Guy can beat Quasar John can beat Quasar
There are quite a few Lanterns that could do it...
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