Green Lantern Corps vs Cosmic Avengers

The CA are going to die

Which version of Ion is used?

" Green Lanterns via ION. otherwise it would be the Cosmic Avengers. "

" Which version of Ion is used? "

" @The Average Bear said:

" Green Lanterns via ION. otherwise it would be the Cosmic Avengers. "

Sodam Yat can contend with Surfer based on his experience and limited time as ION as well as him not having access to the full power of it. This version would be a much better match in my opinion. "

" @Sexy Merc said:

" @The Average Bear said:

" Green Lanterns via ION. otherwise it would be the Cosmic Avengers. "

Sodam Yat can contend with Surfer based on his experience and limited time as ION as well as him not having access to the full power of it. This version would be a much better match in my opinion. "

All of which is why I give victory to Green Lanterns "

" @The Average Bear said:

" @Sexy Merc said:

" @The Average Bear said:

" Green Lanterns via ION. otherwise it would be the Cosmic Avengers. "

Sodam Yat can contend with Surfer based on his experience and limited time as ION as well as him not having access to the full power of it. This version would be a much better match in my opinion. "

All of which is why I give victory to Green Lanterns "

I meant can't contend, typo. There are mixed opinions on the whole Hal vs Quasar thing, Guy vs Gladiator, and possibly the others too. "

No Ronan?

This looks interesting

why do they always put ION in the GL vs threads, its like he knows there gonna lose without him. lol

Green Lantern Corps.

" why do they always put ION in the GL vs threads, its like he knows there gonna lose without him. lol "

" @difficlus said:

" why do they always put ION in the GL vs threads, its like he knows there gonna lose without him. lol "

Silver Surfer is above any member of the Green Lantern Corps. If you weren't so ignorant, maybe you would have caught on. "

" @Sexy Merc said:

" @difficlus said:

" why do they always put ION in the GL vs threads, its like he knows there gonna lose without him. lol "

Silver Surfer is above any member of the Green Lantern Corps. If you weren't so ignorant, maybe you would have caught on. "

i know that but then people put Ion there knowing he can solo...well w/e team 1 wins as usual.  "

As stated if it weren't for Ion, CA would win this.

I'm main spectating get more info on both groups, to expand my knowlegde. By the looks of it the fight, and the limited scans I've seen in my life, it mainly comes down to ION and the Sliver Sufer. IMO the Lantern Corps can handle the rest of the team, but sliver surfer is out their league.       

" @King-Stranglehold da first: It is current Silver Surfer. "

Intresting.
I think that if Quasar will be able to absorb GL's attacks CA will win it.

Good thing this ain't Classic Ion. With torchbearer Ion, GL wins 6/10. Good matchup!

" Green Lantern Corps. "

" @King Saturn: I don't think he'll run through him but I think he'd beat him in a good fight. "

" @Sexy Merc said:

" @King Saturn: I don't think he'll run through him but I think he'd beat him in a good fight. "

what makes you think he will beat him...  "

" @King Saturn said:

" @Sexy Merc said:

" @King Saturn: I don't think he'll run through him but I think he'd beat him in a good fight. "

what makes you think he will beat him...  "

He is way more experienced than Sodam and on top of that has additional power from the Starheart. He easily contained and dispersed of an energy blast by Nero that was going to kill the Guardians and destroy Planet Oa itself. "

" @Sexy Merc said:

" @King Saturn said:

" @Sexy Merc said:

" @King Saturn: I don't think he'll run through him but I think he'd beat him in a good fight. "

what makes you think he will beat him...  "

He is way more experienced than Sodam and on top of that has additional power from the Starheart. He easily contained and dispersed of an energy blast by Nero that was going to kill the Guardians and destroy Planet Oa itself. "

okay... but what else has he shown with this additional Starheart power and ION... cause containing a Planet Busting attack doesnt seem like something thats way out of the Silver Surfer's reach being it is he has made multiple Planet Busting attacks in the past and can Siphon Energy... which can cause problems here...  "

What with Quasar? He is better in absorbing energy than Surfer and his constructs are very durable too.
BRB can absorb their beams too.

" @King Saturn said:

" @Sexy Merc said:

" @King Saturn said:

" @Sexy Merc said:

" @King Saturn: I don't think he'll run through him but I think he'd beat him in a good fight. "

what makes you think he will beat him...  "

He is way more experienced than Sodam and on top of that has additional power from the Starheart. He easily contained and dispersed of an energy blast by Nero that was going to kill the Guardians and destroy Planet Oa itself. "

okay... but what else has he shown with this additional Starheart power and ION... cause containing a Planet Busting attack doesnt seem like something thats way out of the Silver Surfer's reach being it is he has made multiple Planet Busting attacks in the past and can Siphon Energy... which can cause problems here...  "

The attack was going to destroy Oa and the Guardians. I highly doubt that one planet buster can take care of The Guardians and Oa at the same time. They are also omniscient to an extent so if they had the power to, they would of dispatched of Nero themselves, but they couldn't.  He destroyed Grayven and trapped him in the centre of the Earth if I recall correctly (obviously Surfer would get out of that.) He tanked Grayven's Quasi Omega Beams easily and constructed a shield that wasn't even dented by Grayven's most powerful offensive attack. He destroyed an orbital moon base with a minuscule blast. He beat down Effigy while holding back He took down two high-tier Green Lanterns with one blast right when he became ION and they were incapacitated despite the fact that he wasn't trying to hurt them and holding back. He beat down the Tangent version of Flash and Captain Atom while showing that he can control the energies that the are both made from. He can bring back people from the dead easily, as well as sending them back.  There are more but Surfer has more feats due to Kyle only having like 12 issues or something.  I don't really want to get into the debate here as I want to see what others think. "

" 1. sounds sort of funny... how is it that Nero could generate a Planet Busting attack that could kill the Guardians and blow up Oa... but the Silver Surfer can not... what was Nero powered by that gives him such a power advantage over the Surfer...  
 
2. the feats you listed are good... but a lot of these things could be duplicated by the Surfer... blowing up a Moon... beating Effigy ( thats the Fire Generating Guy right )... Grayven is merely a shell of what is father is ( Darkseid )... I dont think he poses that much of a threat to someone like the Surfer... Captain Atom could probably put up a good fight with the Surfer I guess... though really the Silver Surfer could end that fight and any of these here by simply attacking on the Astral Plane level... which he could do... as you said the Surfer has a wealth more of feats backing him... hence why I am not so sure that this version of ION could beat him... they both seem to be capable of the same things for the most part IMO...  "

" @King Saturn said:

" 1. sounds sort of funny... how is it that Nero could generate a Planet Busting attack that could kill the Guardians and blow up Oa... but the Silver Surfer can not... what was Nero powered by that gives him such a power advantage over the Surfer...  
 
2. the feats you listed are good... but a lot of these things could be duplicated by the Surfer... blowing up a Moon... beating Effigy ( thats the Fire Generating Guy right )... Grayven is merely a shell of what is father is ( Darkseid )... I dont think he poses that much of a threat to someone like the Surfer... Captain Atom could probably put up a good fight with the Surfer I guess... though really the Silver Surfer could end that fight and any of these here by simply attacking on the Astral Plane level... which he could do... as you said the Surfer has a wealth more of feats backing him... hence why I am not so sure that this version of ION could beat him... they both seem to be capable of the same things for the most part IMO...  "

1) It was definitely of a larger scale than a planet buster and I didn't say Surfer was incapable of performing planet busting attacks. I never compared Nero to Surfer, just the durability of Kyle can easily contain and disperse of the attack and if I recall correctly, created a kind of pocket dimension.  2) The Quasi Omega Beams harmed Superman before though, and Kyle wasn't phased by it and restricted his arms with a construct in the next panel. I think Grayven would give Surfer a decent fight, but Surfer would take a solid majority. Effigy is the guy with Flame Manipulation. In my opinion, Kyle take a majority here, but I don't really like debating on my own threads, especially this one, since I'm majorly biased for one of the teams and one character in general. Surfer is one of the most powerful heroes and he would give a tough fight for anyone in this match. Again though, I'm just not going to debate it here. "

" 1. I thought Oa was a Planet though... so if the Blast was going to destroy Oa... how could it have been more than just a Planet Buster... was if aiming to destroy more than just the Planet and the Guardians... 
2. Grayven is still a lower class villian though... and even Lightning has harmed Superman in the past so I wouldnt be shocked if those Quasi Beams did hurt him momentarily... but again... none of those feats listed are really out of the Surfer's reach of doing for the most part... so its really hard to say if this ION could take him out... 
3. you may not wanna debate this... but it doesnt seem like anyone else is putting much effort forth besides saying the Green Lanterns win because of ION...  "

" @King Saturn said:

" 1. I thought Oa was a Planet though... so if the Blast was going to destroy Oa... how could it have been more than just a Planet Buster... was if aiming to destroy more than just the Planet and the Guardians... 
2. Grayven is still a lower class villian though... and even Lightning has harmed Superman in the past so I wouldnt be shocked if those Quasi Beams did hurt him momentarily... but again... none of those feats listed are really out of the Surfer's reach of doing for the most part... so its really hard to say if this ION could take him out... 
3. you may not wanna debate this... but it doesnt seem like anyone else is putting much effort forth besides saying the Green Lanterns win because of ION...  "

1) The Guardians, Kyle, and Nero were just outside of Oa, in space. The Guardians, even if Oa was destroyed by a planet buster (which it would be), are more durable. Guardians are able to harm Prime, Anti-Monitor and single Guardian can crack a planet in half with a thought, so I do see how the planet buster was going to destroy Oa but Nero was also targeting the Guardians, and there's no way that a planet buster in taking care of the Guardians.  The major problem with reflecting Kyle's status as ION in this version is that he held back severely. He never once let loose his powers at all. He overloaded and incapacitated Nero during a second confrontation by just overloading him with the ION energy since he can perfectly harness the ION and Starheart power inside him and has full control over it. He even dispatches of 2 armies of other countries in a few seconds. He created pocket dimensions as well but he was definitely not shown to his maximum capabilities, at all. He held back more than a pacifist Surfer in this run, due to the power of ION he had previously, he probably didn't want to hurt anyone. For the record, The Guardians, right as Kyle became one with the Starheart, said that the power he attained rivaled the power he had previously as ION and the Guardians are one of the best sensors in DC being able to scope out wills of beings in universes, analyzing the Anti-Monitor's powers etc. Obviously no feats put him at the level of his previous mantle as ION, but he was severely holding back and barely using a fraction of his power throughout this run, as he was during his first appearance. "

" who is to say the Guardians are immune to Planet Buster attacks though... fighting and harming Superman Prime and Anti Monitor are offensive attacks... that doesnt measure their durability though... and didnt the Anti Monitor of SCW harm a Guardian with an attack that was less than a Planet Buster blast before anyways... I recall it during that final battle in SCW when the Guardians were attacking him... so its not totally out of the Question that a Massive Planet Buster attack could have killed the Guardians and Oa... also since you say that they were just outside of Oa in space then its even more likely to see the attack as simply a Big Planet Buster...  
 
even if ION was holding back.. what is there to say that he is more powerful than the Surfer still...Silver Surfer held back a lot in his day... and accomplished incredible things then... even this ION overloading Nero doesnt seem all that out of reach for the Surfer since he is a Quality Energy / Matter Manipulator... and the Guardians claiming that he is near his Original ION incarnation power in this form doesnt hold much merit to me... especially since there arent many things to back that up...  "

" @King Saturn said:

" who is to say the Guardians are immune to Planet Buster attacks though... fighting and harming Superman Prime and Anti Monitor are offensive attacks... that doesnt measure their durability though... and didnt the Anti Monitor of SCW harm a Guardian with an attack that was less than a Planet Buster blast before anyways... I recall it during that final battle in SCW when the Guardians were attacking him... so its not totally out of the Question that a Massive Planet Buster attack could have killed the Guardians and Oa... also since you say that they were just outside of Oa in space then its even more likely to see the attack as simply a Big Planet Buster...  
 
even if ION was holding back.. what is there to say that he is more powerful than the Surfer still...Silver Surfer held back a lot in his day... and accomplished incredible things then... even this ION overloading Nero doesnt seem all that out of reach for the Surfer since he is a Quality Energy / Matter Manipulator... and the Guardians claiming that he is near his Original ION incarnation power in this form doesnt hold much merit to me... especially since there arent many things to back that up...  "

Only one Guardian got a minor burn from the Anti-Monitor. She wasn't killed. What about the displays or durability during Nekron's first run while he was with Krona? They were ripping apart space and the Guardians' force fields were durable enough to black their blasts while they were tearing through fabrics of space. Nekron amped Krona during the Krona war to levels exceeding the Guardians and Guardians are already well above planet busters, and they were still durable enough to create shields/force fields for the Corps during the war. They are durable enough to withstand planet busters.   

  He didn't have much feats due to his limited time. Surfer held back sure, but he had like 40 years to show us everything. The overloading feat doesn't have anything to do with manipulation. He simply released a very small fraction of his power and Nero was incapacitated. Could Surfer do the same things? More than likely. Based on feats, Hand of God showed more impressive feats. Ganthet would be a better judge of power considering the cosmics he's analyzed and face before and he was the only Guardian that knew of most of Kyle's actions during Hand of God. Holding back more than a pacifist Surfer and not enough feats is the only thing hurting Kyle, but I'm not trying to convince anyone. In m opinion, he would beat Surfer. "

" @Sexy Merc said:

" @King Saturn said:

" who is to say the Guardians are immune to Planet Buster attacks though... fighting and harming Superman Prime and Anti Monitor are offensive attacks... that doesnt measure their durability though... and didnt the Anti Monitor of SCW harm a Guardian with an attack that was less than a Planet Buster blast before anyways... I recall it during that final battle in SCW when the Guardians were attacking him... so its not totally out of the Question that a Massive Planet Buster attack could have killed the Guardians and Oa... also since you say that they were just outside of Oa in space then its even more likely to see the attack as simply a Big Planet Buster...  
 
even if ION was holding back.. what is there to say that he is more powerful than the Surfer still...Silver Surfer held back a lot in his day... and accomplished incredible things then... even this ION overloading Nero doesnt seem all that out of reach for the Surfer since he is a Quality Energy / Matter Manipulator... and the Guardians claiming that he is near his Original ION incarnation power in this form doesnt hold much merit to me... especially since there arent many things to back that up...  "

Only one Guardian got a minor burn from the Anti-Monitor. She wasn't killed. What about the displays or durability during Nekron's first run while he was with Krona? They were ripping apart space and the Guardians' force fields were durable enough to black their blasts while they were tearing through fabrics of space. Nekron amped Krona during the Krona war to levels exceeding the Guardians and Guardians are already well above planet busters, and they were still durable enough to create shields/force fields for the Corps during the war. They are durable enough to withstand planet busters.   

  He didn't have much feats due to his limited time. Surfer held back sure, but he had like 40 years to show us everything. The overloading feat doesn't have anything to do with manipulation. He simply released a very small fraction of his power and Nero was incapacitated. Could Surfer do the same things? More than likely. Based on feats, Hand of God showed more impressive feats. Ganthet would be a better judge of power considering the cosmics he's analyzed and face before and he was the only Guardian that knew of most of Kyle's actions during Hand of God. Holding back more than a pacifist Surfer and not enough feats is the only thing hurting Kyle, but I'm not trying to convince anyone. In m opinion, he would beat Surfer. "

1. Yes... but she was hurt by an attack from a lackluster Anti Monitor that was Not a Planet Buster... thats whats key here...  
2. what the Guardians did during the Nekron run was more a display of Great Energy Manipulation than it was durability... their Force Fields held up against Massive Energy Attacks... but that doesnt give us an indication of how durable they are... just their force fields... so even though they could block massive attacks from Krona with Force Fields... based on what happened during the Sinestro Corps War their physical bodies can be harmed by Energy Blasts less than what their shields can hold up against... but then even if we assumed that the blast from Nero is beyond a Planet Buster... how much stronger ??? and is it feasible to really believe that Nero could generate an attack that really could have wiped out all of the Guardians and Oa together ? he is that powerful ?  
 3. The Overloading Feat has nothing to do with Energy Manipulation ??? How is that... even if he simply Projected a Weak Attack at Nero... thats still a part of Energy Manipulation... since Energy Projection falls under Energy Manipulation in general... and I thought Hand of God was the Original ION... not this version of ION... now if Original ION is what you were aiming to use here... then uh...  "

It a tough fight Lanterns win. Not just because of ION because like stated before this is Kyle's second appearance= not as powerful. The Starheart is what will give the GLC an edge here considering it's the Starheart. I would go further in analysis but Sexy Merc and King Saturn are going at it ;-)