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#1 Edited by *Void* (874 posts) - - Show Bio

Fight takes place in Gotham. The fight is to the death. No PIS,CIS. Team 2 has twelve hours head start.

Teams get one day prep and access to basic equipment. Green Goblin does not have access to his Glider.

#2 Posted by _slim_ (13028 posts) - - Show Bio

Team 1.

#3 Posted by k4tzm4n (35167 posts) - - Show Bio

Team Spidey-villains have a huge physical and gear edge.

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#4 Posted by *Void* (874 posts) - - Show Bio

I thought the head start would even things out since they have an intellectual advantage.

#5 Edited by Alexander505 (2127 posts) - - Show Bio

Team 2 maybe

Fear toxin can take Kraven (maybe even Goblin). Bane can take Mysterio. Joker has the strategic advantage against Goblin and may use any powerful armament (smilex gas, bazooka and other)

#6 Posted by Lone_Wolf_and_Cub (4002 posts) - - Show Bio

Goblin solos. These guys are out of their league. Bane is the only one that can fight physically and Goblin would destroy him. Mysterio would be a major problem, not sure how they would combat him. Not to mention Kraven is probably the best tracker in Marvel and he's physically a beast. Not mention Goblin will have his glider and pumpkin bombs. Game over they have no defense for that.

#7 Posted by BringnIt (3777 posts) - - Show Bio

Team one stomps.

#8 Posted by Strafe Prower (11572 posts) - - Show Bio

Team 1.

#9 Edited by Alexander505 (2127 posts) - - Show Bio

Scarecrow, alone, has poisoned Superman and Deathstroke, then I do not see why it can not poison Kraven and Goblin. Are they immune to any kind of toxin in the world? The current Bane is very strong and durable, and can beat Kraven or Mysterio without problem. Team 1 not stomps.

#10 Posted by Lone_Wolf_and_Cub (4002 posts) - - Show Bio

Bane could beat Mysterio physically, but him beating Kraven is debatable. Kraven has given Spidey problems and we all know Bane is no where near Spidey's stats. Not only that Goblin will be launching pumpkin bombs w/o a care since this is to the death.

#11 Posted by nickzambuto (11423 posts) - - Show Bio

@Alexander505 said:

Scarecrow, alone, has poisoned Superman and Deathstroke, then I do not see why it can not poison Kraven and Goblin. Are they immune to any kind of toxin in the world? The current Bane is very strong and durable, and can beat Kraven or Mysterio without problem. Team 1 not stomps.

If Kraven gets his potion, he destroys Bane in a couple seconds.

Mysterio might beat him as well. Spider-Man has spider sense and can barely see through his allusions, not to mention a majority of Mysterio's tricks involve surprise attacks that take spider speed and agility to dodge, something Bane does not posses.

#12 Posted by *Void* (874 posts) - - Show Bio

Read the op, the glider was removed

#13 Edited by BringnIt (3777 posts) - - Show Bio

Please me more specific as to what Mysterio is allowed. And which Mysterio is this? But to be honest the limitations to equipment doesn't change the fact that the Marvel team is vastly superior physically.

#14 Posted by *Void* (874 posts) - - Show Bio

its the most recent version of Mysterio. I know the marvel team is better physically but the dc trumps them intellectually

#15 Posted by Lone_Wolf_and_Cub (4002 posts) - - Show Bio

Goblin is superior to them intellectually also. Haven't you read Dark Reign when Norman pretty much took on all the heroes?

#16 Posted by BringnIt (3777 posts) - - Show Bio

@*Void* said:

its the most recent version of Mysterio. I know the marvel team is better physically but the dc trumps them intellectually

No, they really don't. Kraven isn't a scientist, but he's a very sound tactical mind who is extremely effective with prep, even faring moderately well against a heavyweight like the Hulk recently. Norman is a brilliant scientist who has been stated as an intelligent enough biochemist as to cure cancer if he properly applied his mind, and also a great prepper, able to deal with teams of Avengers with his strategy. Mysterio's tech is good enough to fool Tony Stark's standard tech. At best it's a debatable match, intellectually speaking.

#17 Posted by karetaker (1565 posts) - - Show Bio

@*Void* said:

its the most recent version of Mysterio. I know the marvel team is better physically but the dc trumps them intellectually

thats very debatable

#18 Posted by entropy_aegis (13552 posts) - - Show Bio

@nickzambuto said:

@Alexander505 said:

Scarecrow, alone, has poisoned Superman and Deathstroke, then I do not see why it can not poison Kraven and Goblin. Are they immune to any kind of toxin in the world? The current Bane is very strong and durable, and can beat Kraven or Mysterio without problem. Team 1 not stomps.

If Kraven gets his potion, he destroys Bane in a couple seconds.

Mysterio might beat him as well. Spider-Man has spider sense and can barely see through his allusions, not to mention a majority of Mysterio's tricks involve surprise attacks that take spider speed and agility to dodge, something Bane does not posses.

I would beg to differ,especially if we're using current Bane(new-52 who's in the 4-6 ton range and could probably leap circles around Kraven).

#19 Edited by nickzambuto (11423 posts) - - Show Bio

@entropy_aegis said:

@nickzambuto said:

@Alexander505 said:

Scarecrow, alone, has poisoned Superman and Deathstroke, then I do not see why it can not poison Kraven and Goblin. Are they immune to any kind of toxin in the world? The current Bane is very strong and durable, and can beat Kraven or Mysterio without problem. Team 1 not stomps.

If Kraven gets his potion, he destroys Bane in a couple seconds.

Mysterio might beat him as well. Spider-Man has spider sense and can barely see through his allusions, not to mention a majority of Mysterio's tricks involve surprise attacks that take spider speed and agility to dodge, something Bane does not posses.

I would beg to differ,especially if we're using current Bane(new-52 who's in the 4-6 ton range and could probably leap circles around Kraven).

I plead the fifth, especially if we're using current Kraven(with potion who's nearly twice as strong as that and has agility to dance around with Spider-Man).

#20 Posted by entropy_aegis (13552 posts) - - Show Bio

@nickzambuto said:

@entropy_aegis said:

@nickzambuto said:

@Alexander505 said:

Scarecrow, alone, has poisoned Superman and Deathstroke, then I do not see why it can not poison Kraven and Goblin. Are they immune to any kind of toxin in the world? The current Bane is very strong and durable, and can beat Kraven or Mysterio without problem. Team 1 not stomps.

If Kraven gets his potion, he destroys Bane in a couple seconds.

Mysterio might beat him as well. Spider-Man has spider sense and can barely see through his allusions, not to mention a majority of Mysterio's tricks involve surprise attacks that take spider speed and agility to dodge, something Bane does not posses.

I would beg to differ,especially if we're using current Bane(new-52 who's in the 4-6 ton range and could probably leap circles around Kraven).

I plead the fifth, especially if we're using potion Kraven who's nearly twice as strong as that and has agility to dance around with Spider-Man.

Wait Kraven is a 12 tonner now? I knew he had a healing factor but not this.

#21 Posted by nickzambuto (11423 posts) - - Show Bio

@entropy_aegis said:

@nickzambuto said:

@entropy_aegis said:

@nickzambuto said:

@Alexander505 said:

Scarecrow, alone, has poisoned Superman and Deathstroke, then I do not see why it can not poison Kraven and Goblin. Are they immune to any kind of toxin in the world? The current Bane is very strong and durable, and can beat Kraven or Mysterio without problem. Team 1 not stomps.

If Kraven gets his potion, he destroys Bane in a couple seconds.

Mysterio might beat him as well. Spider-Man has spider sense and can barely see through his allusions, not to mention a majority of Mysterio's tricks involve surprise attacks that take spider speed and agility to dodge, something Bane does not posses.

I would beg to differ,especially if we're using current Bane(new-52 who's in the 4-6 ton range and could probably leap circles around Kraven).

I plead the fifth, especially if we're using potion Kraven who's nearly twice as strong as that and has agility to dance around with Spider-Man.

Wait Kraven is a 12 tonner now? I knew he had a healing factor but not this.

I said nearly, and you said 4-6 tonner. My words indicate he can be anywhere from 7 to 11 tons, not 12 cause that's not nearly, that is.

Kraven is probably just as strong as Spider-Man, that's well above Bane. Even if he's a tad weaker, he's still stronger than Bane, and about 15 times faster with the agility of 40 Bane's.

#22 Posted by entropy_aegis (13552 posts) - - Show Bio

@nickzambuto said:

@entropy_aegis said:

@nickzambuto said:

@entropy_aegis said:

@nickzambuto said:

@Alexander505 said:

Scarecrow, alone, has poisoned Superman and Deathstroke, then I do not see why it can not poison Kraven and Goblin. Are they immune to any kind of toxin in the world? The current Bane is very strong and durable, and can beat Kraven or Mysterio without problem. Team 1 not stomps.

If Kraven gets his potion, he destroys Bane in a couple seconds.

Mysterio might beat him as well. Spider-Man has spider sense and can barely see through his allusions, not to mention a majority of Mysterio's tricks involve surprise attacks that take spider speed and agility to dodge, something Bane does not posses.

I would beg to differ,especially if we're using current Bane(new-52 who's in the 4-6 ton range and could probably leap circles around Kraven).

I plead the fifth, especially if we're using potion Kraven who's nearly twice as strong as that and has agility to dance around with Spider-Man.

Wait Kraven is a 12 tonner now? I knew he had a healing factor but not this.

I said nearly, and you said 4-6 tonner. My words indicate he can be anywhere from 7 to 11 tons, not 12 cause that's not nearly, that is.

Kraven is probably just as strong as Spider-Man, that's well above Bane. Even if he's a tad weaker, he's still stronger than Bane, and about 15 times faster with the agility of 40 Bane's.

Hmmm if that's the case then yeah he stomps.Any feats to prove this though?

#23 Posted by jashro44 (16462 posts) - - Show Bio

@nickzambuto said:

@entropy_aegis said:

@nickzambuto said:

@entropy_aegis said:

@nickzambuto said:

@Alexander505 said:

Scarecrow, alone, has poisoned Superman and Deathstroke, then I do not see why it can not poison Kraven and Goblin. Are they immune to any kind of toxin in the world? The current Bane is very strong and durable, and can beat Kraven or Mysterio without problem. Team 1 not stomps.

If Kraven gets his potion, he destroys Bane in a couple seconds.

Mysterio might beat him as well. Spider-Man has spider sense and can barely see through his allusions, not to mention a majority of Mysterio's tricks involve surprise attacks that take spider speed and agility to dodge, something Bane does not posses.

I would beg to differ,especially if we're using current Bane(new-52 who's in the 4-6 ton range and could probably leap circles around Kraven).

I plead the fifth, especially if we're using potion Kraven who's nearly twice as strong as that and has agility to dance around with Spider-Man.

Wait Kraven is a 12 tonner now? I knew he had a healing factor but not this.

I said nearly, and you said 4-6 tonner. My words indicate he can be anywhere from 7 to 11 tons, not 12 cause that's not nearly, that is.

Kraven is probably just as strong as Spider-Man, that's well above Bane. Even if he's a tad weaker, he's still stronger than Bane, and about 15 times faster with the agility of 40 Bane's.

Kraven is a 2 tonner. He has no strength showings to say he is stronger then new 52 bane. He has some pretty solid durability and a healing factor and his weapons make it debatable but the new bane does have the physical advantage for the most part.

#24 Edited by nickzambuto (11423 posts) - - Show Bio

@entropy_aegis said:

@nickzambuto said:

@entropy_aegis said:

@nickzambuto said:

@entropy_aegis said:

@nickzambuto said:

@Alexander505 said:

Scarecrow, alone, has poisoned Superman and Deathstroke, then I do not see why it can not poison Kraven and Goblin. Are they immune to any kind of toxin in the world? The current Bane is very strong and durable, and can beat Kraven or Mysterio without problem. Team 1 not stomps.

If Kraven gets his potion, he destroys Bane in a couple seconds.

Mysterio might beat him as well. Spider-Man has spider sense and can barely see through his allusions, not to mention a majority of Mysterio's tricks involve surprise attacks that take spider speed and agility to dodge, something Bane does not posses.

I would beg to differ,especially if we're using current Bane(new-52 who's in the 4-6 ton range and could probably leap circles around Kraven).

I plead the fifth, especially if we're using potion Kraven who's nearly twice as strong as that and has agility to dance around with Spider-Man.

Wait Kraven is a 12 tonner now? I knew he had a healing factor but not this.

I said nearly, and you said 4-6 tonner. My words indicate he can be anywhere from 7 to 11 tons, not 12 cause that's not nearly, that is.

Kraven is probably just as strong as Spider-Man, that's well above Bane. Even if he's a tad weaker, he's still stronger than Bane, and about 15 times faster with the agility of 40 Bane's.

Hmmm if that's the case then yeah he stomps.Any feats to prove this though?

Just some miscellaneous feats. I can be more specific if you'd like a debate.

#25 Posted by nickzambuto (11423 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44 said:

@nickzambuto said:

@entropy_aegis said:

@nickzambuto said:

@entropy_aegis said:

@nickzambuto said:

@Alexander505 said:

Scarecrow, alone, has poisoned Superman and Deathstroke, then I do not see why it can not poison Kraven and Goblin. Are they immune to any kind of toxin in the world? The current Bane is very strong and durable, and can beat Kraven or Mysterio without problem. Team 1 not stomps.

If Kraven gets his potion, he destroys Bane in a couple seconds.

Mysterio might beat him as well. Spider-Man has spider sense and can barely see through his allusions, not to mention a majority of Mysterio's tricks involve surprise attacks that take spider speed and agility to dodge, something Bane does not posses.

I would beg to differ,especially if we're using current Bane(new-52 who's in the 4-6 ton range and could probably leap circles around Kraven).

I plead the fifth, especially if we're using potion Kraven who's nearly twice as strong as that and has agility to dance around with Spider-Man.

Wait Kraven is a 12 tonner now? I knew he had a healing factor but not this.

I said nearly, and you said 4-6 tonner. My words indicate he can be anywhere from 7 to 11 tons, not 12 cause that's not nearly, that is.

Kraven is probably just as strong as Spider-Man, that's well above Bane. Even if he's a tad weaker, he's still stronger than Bane, and about 15 times faster with the agility of 40 Bane's.

Kraven is a 2 tonner. He has no strength showings to say he is stronger then new 52 bane. He has some pretty solid durability and a healing factor and his weapons make it debatable but the new bane does have the physical advantage for the most part.

This is true. My bad, but Bane's only advantage is in strength and durability. Kraven can still just jump around and hammer him.

#26 Posted by entropy_aegis (13552 posts) - - Show Bio

@nickzambuto: Impressive,but if appears that you misled me,i'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume it was a mistake.But Bane can jump multiple stories with a single leap.Kraven might find it a little heard to land a hit.

#27 Posted by TheSuperHuman (856 posts) - - Show Bio
@Lone_Wolf_and_Cub said:
Goblin solos. These guys are out of their league. Bane is the only one that can fight physically and Goblin would destroy him. Mysterio would be a major problem, not sure how they would combat him. Not to mention Kraven is probably the best tracker in Marvel and he's physically a beast. Not mention Goblin will have his glider and pumpkin bombs. Game over they have no defense for that.
#28 Posted by Shawnbaby (9301 posts) - - Show Bio

This seems like a pretty overwhelming victory for Team Spider.

#29 Posted by nickzambuto (11423 posts) - - Show Bio

@entropy_aegis said:

@nickzambuto: Impressive,but if appears that you misled me,i'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume it was a mistake.But Bane can jump multiple stories with a single leap.Kraven might find it a little heard to land a hit.

I don't see how that's help Bane. What's his plan? Just jump over and over again till he catches Kraven off guard?

Kraven is still quite a bit faster, he can just hammer Bane when he lands.

#30 Posted by k4tzm4n (35167 posts) - - Show Bio

Holy misconceptions about Kraven, Batman!

  • He doesn't need the potion.
  • He has 2 ton strength.
  • I never read the Wolverine/Black Cat story, but awhile ago I read a recap because I was told Kraven is in it. It's not him, it's a robot.
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#31 Posted by venomsapprentice (631 posts) - - Show Bio

Team one. Even if Kraven cant match Bane, there is no way Bane can match Goblin. Also, Mysterio is far above Scare Crow IMO.

#32 Posted by JohnnyWalker (821 posts) - - Show Bio

@Alexander505: what you are referring to is pis. besides kraven is immortal, mysterio has a fish bowl and gg is crazy. the gas wont work on them.

#33 Posted by Lone_Wolf_and_Cub (4002 posts) - - Show Bio

@Jonhnny Walker good points. Don't see how Mysterio is affected by Scarecrow with the fishbowl on his head. I agree about Osborn also, he's crazy already don't the fear gas would do much. I wonder though, does he have a filter inside his mask? Not that I think it matters because I still don't think Crane will be of much help when he gets a pumpkin bomb to the face.

#34 Edited by Alexander505 (2127 posts) - - Show Bio

@entropy_aegis said:

@nickzambuto said:

@Alexander505 said:

Scarecrow, alone, has poisoned Superman and Deathstroke, then I do not see why it can not poison Kraven and Goblin. Are they immune to any kind of toxin in the world? The current Bane is very strong and durable, and can beat Kraven or Mysterio without problem. Team 1 not stomps.

If Kraven gets his potion, he destroys Bane in a couple seconds.

Mysterio might beat him as well. Spider-Man has spider sense and can barely see through his allusions, not to mention a majority of Mysterio's tricks involve surprise attacks that take spider speed and agility to dodge, something Bane does not posses.

I would beg to differ,especially if we're using current Bane(new-52 who's in the 4-6 ton range and could probably leap circles around Kraven).

Maybe, current Bane si class 10 tons (the Bane's jump is comparable to that of Spidey), maybe. We'll see ...

#35 Posted by k4tzm4n (35167 posts) - - Show Bio

Oh for the love of...

It's a helmet, and yes, it can render him immune to gas.

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#36 Posted by Alexander505 (2127 posts) - - Show Bio

But Bane can beat Kraven? Kraven is class 2 tons? Right?

#37 Edited by k4tzm4n (35167 posts) - - Show Bio

@Alexander505 said:

But Bane can beat Kraven? Kraven is class 2 tons? Right?

Are you asking about New 52 Bane or Pre-New52 Bane (on or off venom)?

Yes, Kraven has 2 ton strength.

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#38 Posted by Alexander505 (2127 posts) - - Show Bio

New 52 Bane.

2 tons? Ok, thanks.

#39 Posted by jsav777 (608 posts) - - Show Bio

The fact is team Gotham only has Bane to do any real damage while team Spidey has Goblin and Kraven. Goblin can match Bane for strength but has his armor, weapons and electricity. With prep, Team 1 is debatebly even more dangerous than Team 2, with Norman's vast resources. Kraven is also an expert trap setter and hunter. Scarecrows gas would only work on Kraven but Mysterio's illusions would effect everyone. They seem outclassed in almost everyone sense.

#40 Posted by Zompirewolf (8 posts) - - Show Bio

Scarecrow would knock out kraven with his fear toxin and light his body on fire.

Goblin would then pumpkin-bomb scarecrow into oblivion.

Mysterio would throw some poison gas grenades seemingly killing the Joker.

Bane would then break Mysterio's helmet (and his back) and throw him into a nearby river.

Goblin then starts wearing Bane down with pumpkin-bombs and poison gas.

Goblin bombs Bane until he can no longer stand.

And when the Goblin is about to twist off Bane's head he is shot through the heart by the Joker with an assault rifle.

Joker leaves victorious. The Goblin dies in matter of seconds from the wound. Bane dies after an hour from massive bomb wounds.

#41 Posted by venomsapprentice (631 posts) - - Show Bio
@Zompirewolf said:

Scarecrow would knock out kraven with his fear toxin and light his body on fire.
 


Not before Kraven breaks his neck. 
 
@Zompirewolf said:

Goblin would then pumpkin-bomb scarecrow into oblivion.


If somehow kraven failed, then yes. This would happen.
 
@Zompirewolf said:

Mysterio would throw some poison gas grenades seemingly killing the Joker.


Maybe. If Joker is resistant to poison. 
 
@Zompirewolf said:

Bane would then break Mysterio's helmet (and his back) and throw him into a nearby river.


Bane probably would beat Mysterio in a fist fight. Finding him is the trouble.@Zompirewolf said:

Goblin then starts wearing Bane down with pumpkin-bombs and poison gas.


No, Goblin DESTROYS Bane with the first bomb and laughs about it.@Zompirewolf said:

Goblin bombs Bane until he can no longer stand.


Or if Goblin prefers, he might just break Banes back.@Zompirewolf said:

And when the Goblin is about to twist off Bane's head he is shot through the heart by the Joker with an assault rifle.

Joker leaves victorious. The Goblin dies in matter of seconds from the wound. Bane dies after an hour from massive bomb wounds.


Goblin is nigh bulletproof. Plus, more than likely Kraven is still alive, and would have long since killed Joker.
 
Overall, team 2 doesn't really stand a chance.
#42 Posted by InfinityAce (110 posts) - - Show Bio

Team one with ease. They are better physically and intelligence wise. Also can someone tell me when kraven gets a healing factor?

#43 Posted by Lone_Wolf_and_Cub (4002 posts) - - Show Bio

Goblin could solo.

#44 Posted by BringnIt (3777 posts) - - Show Bio

@InfinityAce He's always had a healing factor, but it was significantly upgraded upon his resurrection during Grim Hunt.

#45 Posted by CaptainDoeo (789 posts) - - Show Bio

Team 1. This is a mismatch IMO.

#46 Posted by leonkarlen123 (2351 posts) - - Show Bio

@captaindoeo: Bump. (Yea i know, i'm just into debating now because i watched Dark knight...

Team 2 wins if Scarecrow gets the chance to spray out fear gas with a BIG fan. Then Bane breaks their backs while Joker laughs and gives applauds and tells he could do that better

#47 Edited by lukehero (3695 posts) - - Show Bio

Goblin does not have his Glider...He DOES NOT SOLO. Fear Gas & Joker Venom will be useless on Goblin & Mysterio as they both wear & carry gas masks. Team 1 for the win.

New 52 Bane > Kraven

Kraven > Pre 52 Bane

#48 Edited by Juiceboks (5898 posts) - - Show Bio

@lukehero said:

Goblin does not have his Glider...He DOES NOT SOLO. Fear Gas & Joker Venom will be useless on Goblin & Mysterio as they both wear & carry gas masks. Team 1 for the win.

New 52 Bane > Kraven

Kraven > Pre 52 Bane

In what? Strength and durability sure..but everything else goes to Kraven.

#49 Edited by OreoAssassin (2784 posts) - - Show Bio

Team 1 Easily

#50 Posted by lukehero (3695 posts) - - Show Bio

@juiceboks: You gotta read up on new Bane...Bane is fighting several venom enhanced New 52 Super Villains...Also Bane usually wears an armored Batsuit. New 52 Bane beats Kraven...