Green Arrow and Daredevil vs. Hawkeye and Nightwing

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#1 Posted by primepower53 (5655 posts) - 1 year, 3 months ago - Show Bio

searched the forums, nothing came up, so I decided to make a battle for this.

Bloodlust is on

PIS/CIS is off

No prep time

Battle contestants start off 50 yards apart apart

Unlimited gadgets/arrow/etc.

Battle takes place in an evacuated Times Square.

Pre Flashpoint DC characters

Current Marvel Characters

VS.

WHO WINS?

#2 Posted by primepower53 (5655 posts) - 1 year, 3 months ago - Show Bio

I searched an couldn't find anything, but if this has been done, I apologize.

#3 Posted by Omegus (162 posts) - 11 months, 7 days ago - Show Bio

I love this combo and love both Hawkeye and Nightwing.

Nightwing has had tons of experience fighting along side Batman since he was young. This gives him and edge above Daredevil. But Daredevil is very agile and could be a challenge for Nightwing, with that being said it would be a good fight but Nightwing would beat Daredevil.

As for Hawkeye against green arrow. Anyone on this site who has been to the Hawkeye forums knows I am a massive Hawkeye fanboy (28year old fanboy). So what, but down to brass taxes. Hawkeye also has been using the bow alot longer than Oliver. Both are quite skilled at hand to hand. Oliver is self taught himself Hand to Hand and has become quite proficient at it. Hawkeye was trained hand to hand by Captain America, Iron Fist and Swordsman. But if it came down to trick arrows all Green Arrow has to do is pull out the Quantum Arrow and this whole match is over....for both sides. It would be a good fight.

#4 Posted by CitizenBane (19865 posts) - 11 months, 7 days ago - Show Bio

@Omegus said:

Nightwing has had tons of experience fighting along side Batman since he was young. This gives him and edge above Daredevil. But Daredevil is very agile and could be a challenge for Nightwing, with that being said it would be a good fight but Nightwing would beat Daredevil.

.........no. Daredevil has every possible advantage over Nightwing.

#5 Posted by TheAnnihilator (1056 posts) - 11 months, 7 days ago - Show Bio

This is gunna be one for the ages, folks.

#6 Posted by BringnIt (3680 posts) - 11 months, 7 days ago - Show Bio

Team 1, Daredevil is the MVP.

#7 Posted by Trodorne (2314 posts) - 11 months, 7 days ago - Show Bio

Setting: Times Square At 11:30 pm

Daredevil and Nightwing would take to the buildings, but since both heroes from the same universe know much about each other. it is more than likely Nightwing would go after green arrow. though it is rare he would never miss. Nightwing would use his batons to knock one of arrows shots out from the middle of the air. This is the same going for Daredevil against Hawkeye. the two brawlers would end up trying to go hand to hand against the archers.

Best out come for each archer is take to the roof and make it harder for the brawlers to get to them. From my understanding of the arrow types. Green arrow has the basic arrows, homing arrows when you has a tracker, glue arrows which he could pull off on Nightwing if he assumes its just a gas arrow. But statistically speaking The green arrow even on roof top with his trick arrows he has a 45.135% probability of success. In terms of Success of Hawkeye is based on the fact he could defeat Daredevil IF, he is carrying the Pym Particle arrows (Hawkeye & Mockingbird (2010) #1), His chance of success is higher than arrows where the probability is 49.321% based on the variety of arrows as well as you have to take into account Daredevils heightened reflexes and sonar senses.

Here is where it gets tricky. Where Daredevil has his reflexes and sonar, Nightwing has his intelligence would figure out in the battle that DD is blind and would deduce after a while of fighting that he uses hearing. but that being said the chances of figuring that out is only a 81% while good. if he does not figure that out Daredevil will keep dodging, but since matt is older than Dick it would be debatable if he could outlast him.

Its a hard choice. but best way I can decide on this is maybe flip a coin cause honestly Both sides are great.

#8 Posted by TDK_1997 (9673 posts) - 11 months, 7 days ago - Show Bio

Team 1 should win.Daredevil is one level better in every way over Dick and so is Green Arrow.

#9 Posted by 202122 (1145 posts) - 11 months, 7 days ago - Show Bio

TEAM 1

Hawkeye beats Green Arrow barely

Daredevil beats Nightwing suffering significant damage but not enough to leave him out of the fight

2 on 1 beating on Hawkeye

#10 Posted by TheCannon (14193 posts) - 11 months, 7 days ago - Show Bio

Daredevil and Green Arrow.

Cool pic with Arrow and DD by the way.

#11 Posted by Petey_is_Spidey (1988 posts) - 11 months, 7 days ago - Show Bio

Dare Devil and Green Arrow.

I.A.T.

#12 Posted by Petey_is_Spidey (1988 posts) - 11 months, 7 days ago - Show Bio

Dare Devil and Green Arrow.

I.A.T.

#13 Posted by Nefarious (16251 posts) - 11 months, 7 days ago - Show Bio

I'm inclined to say Team 1. The two are more skilled.

#14 Posted by spawn_123 (1693 posts) - 11 months, 7 days ago - Show Bio

@Petey_is_Spidey said:

Dare Devil and Green Arrow.

I.A.T.

#15 Posted by Redberry (797 posts) - 11 months, 7 days ago - Show Bio

Green Arrow and Daredevil have the advantage over the other two. Hawkeye doesn't impress me from what I have read.

#16 Posted by CrimsonCake (2611 posts) - 11 months, 7 days ago - Show Bio

Team 1,Someone took the time to draw a picture of Green Arrow and Daredevil but not Hawkeye and nightwing. ]:

#17 Posted by NEEK_03 (1107 posts) - 11 months, 7 days ago - Show Bio

ima go with team 2. i thnk nightwing takes DD out in a hard fight due to him having sonics, eventually i think that will come into play.

i also think hawkeye is better then GA.

#18 Posted by karetaker (1565 posts) - 11 months, 7 days ago - Show Bio

daredevil stomps nightwing first of all.hes a super ninja. clint outshoots olie. thats the tale of the tape

#19 Posted by ReVamp (22561 posts) - 11 months, 7 days ago - Show Bio

Ollie > Clint

Matt > Dick.

#20 Posted by k4tzm4n (30919 posts) - 11 months, 7 days ago - Show Bio

@BringnIt said:

Team 1, Daredevil is the MVP.
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#21 Posted by TheAnnihilator (1056 posts) - 11 months, 7 days ago - Show Bio

Hawkeye > Green Arrow

Daredevil > Nightwing (this one hurt, but it's true)

Daredevil makes the difference in the fight and takes out Hawkeye after a long fight with Green Arrow.

#22 Posted by blackadamFTW (7830 posts) - 11 months, 7 days ago - Show Bio

@ReVamp said:

Ollie > Clint

Matt > Dick.

#23 Posted by ThatThorFan (951 posts) - 11 months, 7 days ago - Show Bio

Clint beats Ollie in a good fight. Daredevil beats Nightwing in a good fight. Then it comes down to them two and I doubt Hawkeye will be able to even come close to landing an arrow on DD.

DD wins.

#24 Posted by Omegus (162 posts) - 11 months, 6 days ago - Show Bio

Ok, remember Dick was Batman for a time while Bruce was gone. He is very smart and very agile. Has been personally trained by Bruce. It might as well say Hawkeye and Batman. Sure Dick is no Bruce but he is the closest thing to him. Dick is very smart and reads alot in a situation. I agree if Hawkeye has the pym arrows game over you aint getting past that.

#25 Edited by Romulus9000 (377 posts) - 11 months, 6 days ago - Show Bio

Ollie beats Clint

Dick beats Matt (slightly)

I know people are going to argue with me about Daredevil BUT. Dick has an advantage over Daredevil in that he has been training ever since he was a kid, and he is tactically more competent than Daredevil. He is also probably slightly more agile being that he is considered the best Acrobat in the DCU.

In a one on one fight between he and Matt, Dick wins. It is NOT a stomp by any means and Matt makes him work for every inch but at the end of it all Dick wins.

#26 Posted by Lady_Liberty (4745 posts) - 11 months, 6 days ago - Show Bio

Daredevil is better then Nightwing in every way that is meaningful.

And Green Arrow is better then Hawkeye in every way that is meaningful.

Matt will win against Nightwing, probably will be a solid fight but there isn't anything Night's got that Matt hasn't defeated before.

And the same thing with Green Arrow and Hawkeye. Ollie is better with a bow, and has better hand to hand feats. No matter how they fight, Ollie wins.

#27 Posted by Omegus (162 posts) - 11 months, 6 days ago - Show Bio

Ok, People you need to say to your self. Who do I WANT to win? Who WOULD be the more likely victor?

1. I want Hawkeye and Nightwing because they are my two fave characters of all time.

2. Who would be the over all victor? Don't know but if I had to watch this fight break out I would get the best seat in the house. This is probly one of the best matchups i have seen so far on this forum.

#28 Posted by Romulus9000 (377 posts) - 11 months, 6 days ago - Show Bio

@Lady_Liberty said:

Daredevil is better then Nightwing in every way that is meaningful.

And Green Arrow is better then Hawkeye in every way that is meaningful.

Matt will win against Nightwing, probably will be a solid fight but there isn't anything Night's got that Matt hasn't defeated before.

And the same thing with Green Arrow and Hawkeye. Ollie is better with a bow, and has better hand to hand feats. No matter how they fight, Ollie wins.

I can agree to a degree but you could flip that and say Nightwing has faced and beaten people just like Daredevil too. At the end of the day it may just be a stalemate between the two i personally think Dicks got loads more training than Matt. And he has been doing this since he was a kid. But at the same time Matt has faced and beaten people just as good as Dick and Dick has faced and beaten people just as good as Matt.

I change my original answer and say Matt and Dick KO eachother and Ollie beats Clint.

#29 Posted by Ferro Vida (33859 posts) - 11 months, 6 days ago - Show Bio
@Romulus9000 said:

Ollie beats Clint

Dick beats Matt (slightly)

I know people are going to argue with me about Daredevil BUT. Dick has an advantage over Daredevil in that he has been training ever since he was a kid, and he is tactically more competent than Daredevil. He is also probably slightly more agile being that he is considered the best Acrobat in the DCU.

Matt has also been training since he was a kid (he was blinded at around age 12, IIRC), and even before that he had been training himself in boxing in secret. Matt is not tactically inferior either, as he often has to out-think his enemies to beat them (Electro, Mysterio, the five major crime families, the Spot, etc). You claim Dick is the best acrobat in the DCU. Matt is arguably the best non-superpowered acrobat in the Marvel U, enough so that he is able to keep pace with Spider-man when they travel through the city.
#30 Posted by Romulus9000 (377 posts) - 11 months, 6 days ago - Show Bio

@Ferro Vida said:

@Romulus9000 said:

Ollie beats Clint

Dick beats Matt (slightly)

I know people are going to argue with me about Daredevil BUT. Dick has an advantage over Daredevil in that he has been training ever since he was a kid, and he is tactically more competent than Daredevil. He is also probably slightly more agile being that he is considered the best Acrobat in the DCU.

Matt has also been training since he was a kid (he was blinded at around age 12, IIRC), and even before that he had been training himself in boxing in secret. Matt is not tactically inferior either, as he often has to out-think his enemies to beat them (Electro, Mysterio, the five major crime families, the Spot, etc). You claim Dick is the best acrobat in the DCU. Matt is arguably the best non-superpowered acrobat in the Marvel U, enough so that he is able to keep pace with Spider-man when they travel through the city.

I do not disagree with you that's why i say it is a Stalemate. They essentially are the same in every way and have identical feats. They are both masters at what they do. They are even.

But i do not claim that dick is the best acrobat in the DCU, it is known. He is the only human that can do a triple somersault.

#31 Posted by Ferro Vida (33859 posts) - 11 months, 6 days ago - Show Bio
@Romulus9000 said:

@Ferro Vida said:

@Romulus9000 said:

Ollie beats Clint

Dick beats Matt (slightly)

I know people are going to argue with me about Daredevil BUT. Dick has an advantage over Daredevil in that he has been training ever since he was a kid, and he is tactically more competent than Daredevil. He is also probably slightly more agile being that he is considered the best Acrobat in the DCU.

Matt has also been training since he was a kid (he was blinded at around age 12, IIRC), and even before that he had been training himself in boxing in secret. Matt is not tactically inferior either, as he often has to out-think his enemies to beat them (Electro, Mysterio, the five major crime families, the Spot, etc). You claim Dick is the best acrobat in the DCU. Matt is arguably the best non-superpowered acrobat in the Marvel U, enough so that he is able to keep pace with Spider-man when they travel through the city.

I do not disagree with you that's why i say it is a Stalemate. They essentially are the same in every way and have identical feats. They are both masters at what they do. They are even.

But i do not claim that dick is the best acrobat in the DCU, it is known. He is the only human that can do a triple somersault.

I completely disagree. Dick once defeated 47 soldiers and walked away with a few bruises and a ripped costume. Daredevil once defeated 100 Yakuza who were on MGH in under three minutes and walked away none the worse for wear. Dick has dodged bullets. Daredevil has deflected them. Matt has demonstrated greater technical knowledge in combat, and can keep up with superhuman opponents in terms of acrobatics and agility (Captain America, Spider-man, etc).
#32 Posted by FourthDeity (2223 posts) - 11 months, 6 days ago - Show Bio

@BringnIt said:

Team 1, Daredevil is the MVP.
#33 Edited by Romulus9000 (377 posts) - 11 months, 6 days ago - Show Bio

Read top left corner what is underlined.

Official DC Encyclopedia.

#34 Posted by Ferro Vida (33859 posts) - 11 months, 6 days ago - Show Bio
@Romulus9000: THAT's just not true. Dick is inferior to Lady Shiva, Connor Hawke, Richard Dragon. potentially Bronze Tiger... And that still doesn't prove that he is a better fighter then Daredevil even if it is true.  
 
Evidence that it's false: Tim Drake is a better detective then Dick Grayson.
#35 Posted by CitizenBane (19865 posts) - 11 months, 6 days ago - Show Bio

Bruce, Cassie, Shiva, Hawke, Bronze Tiger, Sensei, Sa'ar, Constantine Drakon, Prometheus and Wrath (Caldwell) are all better than Dick, he's nowhere near being "second only to Batman".

#36 Posted by Ferro Vida (33859 posts) - 11 months, 6 days ago - Show Bio
@CitizenBane: Thank you.
#37 Posted by Remi (613 posts) - 11 months, 6 days ago - Show Bio

Team 1.

#38 Posted by Romulus9000 (377 posts) - 11 months, 6 days ago - Show Bio

@Ferro Vida: I know what writers have made characters say but that is substantially more official.

Now look i only used that as my trump card because i remembered it saying that and found the scan.

I think a lot of people want to say DD because he is the popular choice but my opinion is that they are just as good as one another. Dick has infiltrated mobs also he is a better tactician than DD hands down. And matched as a fighter.

And you are right he does dodge bulletts

AS A CHILD.

Daredevil and Nightwing are evenly matched.

#39 Posted by CitizenBane (19865 posts) - 11 months, 6 days ago - Show Bio

@Romulus9000: Dodging bullets from fodder is just that......dodging bullets from fodder. Dick has also been shot through the arm by Deathstroke.

#40 Posted by Ferro Vida (33859 posts) - 11 months, 6 days ago - Show Bio
@Romulus9000: 1) That scan was incorrect, so it was hardly a trump card. If you knew anything about DC you would have known it was worthless. 
 
2) Infiltrating mobs? Woo hoo. Daredevil once avoided the FBI and succeeded in fleeing the country. This is when Matt Murdock was a wanted man. Show ANYTHING to prove that Dick is a better fighter or tactician. Tactical thinking is what Matt Murdock does for a living, both as a superhero and as a lawyer. 
 
3) Dodging bullets as a child doesn't mean he is superior to Matt as an adult when Matt has moved fast enough to deflect bullets as an adult.
#41 Edited by Romulus9000 (377 posts) - 11 months, 6 days ago - Show Bio

@Ferro Vida: Are you implying it isnt what Dick does. Dick was a cop in Bludhaven. I would like to remind you i am not trying to argue that Dick is better im saying they are even. Why are you taking this so personally?

and define proving he is a better tactician we could trade scans all day what does that prove?

#42 Posted by Ferro Vida (33859 posts) - 11 months, 6 days ago - Show Bio
@Romulus9000 said:

@Ferro Vida: Are you implying it isnt what Dick does. Dick was a cop in Bludhaven. I would like to remind you i am not trying to argue that Dick is better im saying they are even. Why are you taking this so personally?

I'm not. I'm asking you to prove what you are saying. Otherwise you are incorrect. That is the point of a debate. 
 
@Romulus9000 said:

and define proving he is a better tactician we could trade scans all day what does that prove?

It might prove that your claims are accurate.
#43 Posted by Romulus9000 (377 posts) - 11 months, 6 days ago - Show Bio

Why when every scan i show you you come back with something. We could do this all day it's pointless. I'm not even trying to say that Dicks better just even and yet you still wish to argue. Let's simply agree to disagree.

#44 Posted by Ferro Vida (33859 posts) - 11 months, 6 days ago - Show Bio
@Romulus9000 said:

@Ferro Vida Why when every scan i show you you come back with something. We could do this all day it's pointless. I'm not even trying to say that Dicks better just even and yet you still wish to argue. Let's simply agree to disagree.

Then post scans that actually support your claims. I'm not agreeing to disagree because you haven't done anything to show that I'm wrong. 
 
Out of order, but these are the Yakuza scans.           
   Lifts 500 lbs like it's fifty   
Fast enough to bullet time thanks to his radar sense      
#45 Posted by Ferro Vida (33859 posts) - 11 months, 6 days ago - Show Bio
@Romulus9000: Don't reply in a PM. 
 
You only have one scan showing his actual fighting skill there. And it wasn't so much fighting skill as one single hit. I highly doubt that was the end of the encounter. You didn't really show any strength feats there that are greater then the one I posted. The killer whale thing is cool, but he's using his whole body to do it, and is only actually holding its mouth open in the first panel. 
 
Outsmarting Hal Jordan doesn't really prove anything.
#46 Posted by theultimatetruth (6 posts) - 11 months, 6 days ago - Show Bio

well matt did get shot by bullseye. and it was explained that daredevil can already sense trajectory of bullets before there fired, it really has more to do with anticipation then speed.

that said matt would beat dick's ass, his feats are head and shoulders above nightwings

#47 Edited by Romulus9000 (377 posts) - 11 months, 6 days ago - Show Bio

The Sensei kick was the end of that encounter. And Dick beat him.

Holding a man with one arm right above ground while driving a motorcycle is extremely hard.( i can only imagine )

Here is dick fighting the league of assasins ( a posse of them )

He solves 4 americas most wanted cases just from watching TV in one morning while recovering from injuries.

A showcase of his Agility against the very agile Catwoman

Shwoing that even the most deadly of people can not sneak up on him

And finally a bout 30 league of Assasin Ninjas without a scratch And the one above that was him defeating Ras

DAREDEVIL AND NIGHTWING ARE AN EVEN MATCH

#48 Posted by Ferro Vida (33859 posts) - 11 months, 6 days ago - Show Bio
@Romulus9000: No. Ninjas are cannon fodder to characters like this. In Daredevil volume 1 Matt defeats four hand ninja in one panel. Nameless ninjas are used as something for guys like Dick and Matt to beat up. 
 
Being a detective doesn't mean anything in this thread, so I don't see why that matters. 
 
I didn't say Dick wasn't extremely agile. But that scan doesn't actually show anything that Daredevil also wouldn't be capable of. 
 
I really hope you aren't trying to say that Nightwing's senses are anywhere near as acute as Daredevil's. 
 
Ras Al Ghul has surprisingly few swordsmanship feats for a master swordsman. In fact, his best feats are losing to Nightwing, losing to Batman, and taking down an unarmed Bane. 
 
Again, cannon fodder X 30.
#49 Posted by Donovan Montgomery (5264 posts) - 11 months, 6 days ago - Show Bio

@Ferro Vida: it's "only" 400lbs ;)

But I agree, DD has the slightest edge over Nightwing unless they know each others abilities before hand. I would say Hawkeye probably has the slight edge in h2h over G.A.

Archery they pretty close but again it depends on which arrows they bring tot he game.

Team 1 with the slight majority of victory here.

#50 Posted by Ferro Vida (33859 posts) - 11 months, 6 days ago - Show Bio
@Donovan Montgomery said:

@Ferro Vida: it's "only" 400lbs ;)

But I agree, DD has the slightest edge over Nightwing unless they know each others abilities before hand. I would say Hawkeye probably has the slight edge in h2h over G.A.

Archery they pretty close but again it depends on which arrows they bring tot he game.

Team 1 with the slight majority of victory here.

Oop, you got me. My whole argument was a farce ;)
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