Luffy still has haki and wouldn't he still have his attack speed or is he on slowmoe?
Luffy still would punch right through any of gray's ice by using haki while being completely immune to the damage since even sharp attacks will be useless against Luffy's haki. Plus he has kenbunshoku, Luffy still has cheaply hax reaction time due to regular experience/skill + his kenbunshoku.
@pantypolice: Pre Skip .. and don't forget how Gray could freez Luffy just by a touch.
Luffy could break Gray's neck by just a punch.
He would have to touch gray. Plus this is actually funny how you believe luffy beats gray that easily when you thought that 1000 Edward Elrics would lose to spiderman.
@nyas: if it doesn't include how fast his arms moved when it stretches then Luffy punches Grey farther than me eye can see.
Morals On:Grey uses Ice Make magic which is ineffective and then Luffy uses Gum Gum Pistol on him.If luffy goes 2nd Gear,his stats are amplified and leads to a complete stomp.
Shouldn't Luffy using Gear 2 nullify the speed equal since it boosts his base speed?
I still say Luffy regardless. Too strong, too durable. More stamina. Luffy was on Drum Island with no coat for a while, cold doesn't bother him that much. Any ice constructs can be smashed by Luffy as well.
I just don't think Gray has the juice to win. Maybe pre Gears Luffy though.
@nyas: if it doesn't include how fast his arms moved when it stretches then Luffy punches Grey farther than me eye can see.
Morals On:Grey uses Ice Make magic which is ineffective and then Luffy uses Gum Gum Pistol on him.If luffy goes 2nd Gear,his stats are amplified and leads to a complete stomp.
@pantypolice: Pre Skip .. and don't forget how Gray could freez Luffy just by a touch.
Luffy could break Gray's neck by just a punch.
He would have to touch gray. Plus this is actually funny how you believe luffy beats gray that easily when you thought that 1000 Edward Elrics would lose to spiderman.
How does that relate?
Gray is barely superhuman and his magic is used in strategy.
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Remember Captain Morgan, the guy who Luffy beat when he freed Zoro? The wind of Captain Morgan's slash with his axe hand cut through like 8 feet of brick walling.
@pantypolice: For Bellamy he was going straight at Luffy its not like he just punched in a random direction to hopfully hit him and half of the reason why he got OS was cause of Bellamy himself. For G3.. Unlike Lucci Gray isn't an idiot he wouldn't just stand their thinking he can tank it and once Luffy uses G3 (which he can't use for a long time) he shrinks and becomes powerless.
@pantypolice: For Bellamy he was going straight at Luffy its not like he just punched in a random direction to hopfully hit him and half of the reason why he got OS was cause of Bellamy himself. For G3.. Unlike Lucci Gray isn't an idiot he wouldn't just stand their thinking he can tank it and once Luffy uses G3 (which he can't use for a long time) he shrinks and becomes powerless.
He punched down, meaning he had to have the timing perfectly right.
Lucci is an idiot? Wow, that's quite a bold and incorrect statement.
It won't matter versus Gray, if they are the same speed Gray can't avoid the attack since it's that big. Also Gray doesn't have any defensive magic that can stop it, gray tries to block it with an ice make shield on the biggest scale he can but then just gets smashed. Either that or he tries to jump or run away from it and just gets smashed into the ground.
Gray is barely superhuman and his magic is used in strategy.
Because the comparison of the battle is that 1000s edward elrics versus a single spiderman would lose, yet gray easily loses to luffy it seems like you love wanking characters.
Even was he was a little kid and he still does now, he constantly brawls with natsu.(he even was stated to be around natsu's level anyway.) And even then his magic has been used in all ways strategically, offensively and defensively.
Also what is Gray going to to versus 5:49:
Its called dodging, its all the rage nowadays. And he could put up a massive ice wall which would be three times that gigant pistol's size.(he has done this before against racer.) Although it would likely break it would heavily slow down the fist just like the building did when luffy punched lucci through it.
He won't get blitzed either due to speed being equal. Plus he has reacted to lasers. And kept up with erza and natsu when they were fighting with hades.(hades who's combat speed is crazy good considering he was manhandling natsu and co with gray included.)
@pantypolice: For Bellamy he was going straight at Luffy its not like he just punched in a random direction to hopfully hit him and half of the reason why he got OS was cause of Bellamy himself. For G3.. Unlike Lucci Gray isn't an idiot he wouldn't just stand their thinking he can tank it and once Luffy uses G3 (which he can't use for a long time) he shrinks and becomes powerless.
He punched down, meaning he had to have the timing perfectly right.
Lucci is an idiot? Wow, that's quite a bold and incorrect statement.
It won't matter versus Gray, if they are the same speed Gray can't avoid the attack since it's that big. Also Gray doesn't have any defensive magic that can stop it, gray tries to block it with an ice make shield on the biggest scale he can but then just gets smashed. Either that or he tries to jump or run away from it and just gets smashed into the ground.
There is no way Gray can avoid that blow.
Doesn't matter bellamy was going in a straight line.
He is a strategic combat genius, accurately determing all of luffy's limit's and abilities easily just by looking. Outmatched luffy in skill, yet despite all the speed he had couldn't dodge a giant slow fist coming at him. Yeah he is hella smart.
Considering how he is going to clearly see luffy making a giant fist he could aim-dodge rather easily. And honestly it would barely take someone who is supersonic to dodge a gigant pistol IMHO.
Gray is barely superhuman and his magic is used in strategy.
Because the comparison of the battle is that 1000s edward elrics versus a single spiderman would lose, yet gray easily loses to luffy it seems like you love wanking characters.
Even was he was a little kid and he still does now, he constantly brawls with natsu.(he even was stated to be around natsu's level anyway.) And even then his magic has been used in all ways strategically, offensively and defensively.
Also what is Gray going to to versus 5:49:
Its called dodging, its all the rage nowadays. And he could put up a massive ice wall which would be three times that gigant pistol's size.(he has done this before against racer.) Although it would likely break it would heavily slow down the fist just like the building did when luffy punched lucci through it.
He won't get blitzed either due to speed being equal. Plus he has reacted to lasers. And kept up with erza and natsu when they were fighting with hades.(hades who's combat speed is crazy good considering he was manhandling natsu and co with gray included.)
@pantypolice: For Bellamy he was going straight at Luffy its not like he just punched in a random direction to hopfully hit him and half of the reason why he got OS was cause of Bellamy himself. For G3.. Unlike Lucci Gray isn't an idiot he wouldn't just stand their thinking he can tank it and once Luffy uses G3 (which he can't use for a long time) he shrinks and becomes powerless.
He punched down, meaning he had to have the timing perfectly right.
Lucci is an idiot? Wow, that's quite a bold and incorrect statement.
It won't matter versus Gray, if they are the same speed Gray can't avoid the attack since it's that big. Also Gray doesn't have any defensive magic that can stop it, gray tries to block it with an ice make shield on the biggest scale he can but then just gets smashed. Either that or he tries to jump or run away from it and just gets smashed into the ground.
There is no way Gray can avoid that blow.
Doesn't matter bellamy was going in a straight line.
He is a strategic combat genius, accurately determing all of luffy's limit's and abilities easily just by looking. Outmatched luffy in skill, yet despite all the speed he had couldn't dodge a giant slow fist coming at him. Yeah he is hella smart.
Considering how he is going to clearly see luffy making a giant fist he could aim-dodge rather easily. And honestly it would barely take someone who is supersonic to dodge a gigant pistol IMHO.
Anyone can actually.
1) Natsu isn't Luffy's equal.
2) Luffy's fist wasn't slowed down by the solid wall,it was just showed from different views to show the impact. In the manga it just one and done'd that wall. Gray won't be able to dodge when their speeds are equalized.
3) You can't say he kept up with Hades and Hades was good because he beat Gray and co. That's using the feat you are trying to use to hype the feat you're using. Hades was never displayed as fast and he was treating them like children. Versus Makarov he was using huge advanced seal magic, versus them the biggest he used was a amaterasu seal level 24 or whatever. Gray isn't that fast, we can see a speed feat when Gray was fighting Bixlow and wasn't reduced to only using non magic. He is certainly superhuman, but Gray's nothing special in one piece, pre timeskip usopp would beat gray.
4) Luffy's feat of hitting Bellamy by striking down at Bellamy is relevant as a reaction time feat, it's WELL above the level that Gray has. The only laser we saw in fairy tail was the dragonslayer of light's. The others are just beams of magic.
"He could aim dodge", this isn't dragonballz where gray can instant transmission, he jumps to the side and Luffy follows him with the fist and then shoves him with the giant fist, instantly defeating Gray.
This isn't a close fight, Luffy stomps Gray even with equalized stats and pre time skip.
1.That alone is arguable.But its an argument for another day.
2.He kind of will be. And Honestly its not like gear third punches move at supersonic speeds or hypersonic speeds because they don't. Lucci got hit by it by pure stupidity. Gray won't. He can slow it down with ice rampart or some form of freezing maneuver
3. Gray and Erza at the same time attempted to blitz him and they moved at similar speeds, erza herself has feats that prove she is at least hypersonic. Usopp would beat gray? you want to do a CAV on that?
4.So bellamy is a laser? How come bickslow's lasers are consider magic beams? They consistently travel distances as fast as a laser and even if they were beams, that would mean concussive force which is still high hypersonic.
5.First off luffy has not shown that much mobility with gear third so he isn't just going to move it when gray moves out of the way. Plus even if he does move it gray can dodge again.
You know gray can do several things to dodge or fight with just ice make magic:
Gray can easily hit his foes from a distance easily.
He tagged racer with his super freeze arrow from a distance. Take note that whoever is in racer's radius would be incredibly slow in comparison to him. The fact that it tagged him so easily shows allot.
Ice make canon is..... well..... a canon.(its actually a bazooka but not like it matters. The speed of it should be super sonic or hypersonic.)
Ice make prison is pretty useful. Gray actually used it once to counter one of lyon's animation moves.
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Also this should be able to play a factor:
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Oh and just in case he wants to play spiderman lol.
More freezing.
Here is him totally jacking the destructo disk from krillin.
And just to show that he can easily freeze a target.
Here is what he can do if luffy tries to hit him with pure physical attacks.
OH AND HE CAN FLY.
Gray very often make new moves on the fly so we can experiment what he can do with his ice. All i know is he isn't going to get defeated so easily. He is too versatile and his abilities are far more strategic than luffy's.
1.That alone is arguable.But its an argument for another day.
2.He kind of will be. And Honestly its not like gear third punches move at supersonic speeds or hypersonic speeds because they don't. Lucci got hit by it by pure stupidity. Gray won't. He can slow it down with ice rampart or some form of freezing maneuver
3. Gray and Erza at the same time attempted to blitz him and they moved at similar speeds, erza herself has feats that prove she is at least hypersonic. Usopp would beat gray? you want to do a CAV on that?
4.So bellamy is a laser? How come bickslow's lasers are consider magic beams? They consistently travel distances as fast as a laser and even if they were beams, that would mean concussive force which is still high hypersonic.
5.First off luffy has not shown that much mobility with gear third so he isn't just going to move it when gray moves out of the way. Plus even if he does move it gray can dodge again.
You know gray can do several things to dodge or fight with just ice make magic:
Gray can easily hit his foes from a distance easily.
He tagged racer with his super freeze arrow from a distance. Take note that whoever is in racer's radius would be incredibly slow in comparison to him. The fact that it tagged him so easily shows allot.
Ice make canon is..... well..... a canon.(its actually a bazooka but not like it matters. The speed of it should be super sonic or hypersonic.)
Ice make prison is pretty useful. Gray actually used it once to counter one of lyon's animation moves.
Gallery
Also this should be able to play a factor:
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Oh and just in case he wants to play spiderman lol.
More freezing.
Here is him totally jacking the destructo disk from krillin.
And just to show that he can easily freeze a target.
Here is what he can do if luffy tries to hit him with pure physical attacks.
OH AND HE CAN FLY.
Gray very often make new moves on the fly so we can experiment what he can do with his ice. All i know is he isn't going to get defeated so easily. He is too versatile and his abilities are far more strategic than luffy's.
Luffy is a more skilled fist fighter than anyone in Fairy Tail bar Laxus and Gildartz.
You listing every attack he does doesn't make a difference.
Luffy can avoid ice attacks, the guy is a superhuman in a fist fight. He can also spam punch without feeling any damage and just crush the ice to pieces.
Luffy's also too strong in the legs to get tagged easily by ice.
Also Gray doesn't have any durability feats that state he'll stay conscious after a jet pistol to the face.
Im showing that he is versatile and that he can do virtually anything with his ice-make magic
Gray has got into fist fights with natsu on several occasions. Gray can freeze luffy from a distance instantly
In fact gray's freezing is pretty much instantaneous:
There are several different attacks that can be spammed all at once in order to tag luffy, he will be hit eventually.
He had a fist fight with natsu, and natsu himself is pretty damn powerful, he also took strikes from Hades someone who is far above pre-timeskip luffy IMO
This fight is no different from batman fighting bane, or deadpool fighting hulk. In both cases, the weaker one was smarter, a quicker thinker, and was far more versatile. This is the same case here.
Im showing that he is versatile and that he can do virtually anything with his ice-make magic
Gray has got into fist fights with natsu on several occasions. Gray can freeze luffy from a distance instantly
In fact gray's freezing is pretty much instantaneous:
There are several different attacks that can be spammed all at once in order to tag luffy, he will be hit eventually.
He had a fist fight with natsu, and natsu himself is pretty damn powerful, he also took strikes from Hades someone who is far above pre-timeskip luffy IMO
This fight is no different from batman fighting bane, or deadpool fighting hulk. In both cases, the weaker one was smarter, a quicker thinker, and was far more versatile. This is the same case here.
1) Luffy is a better fist fighter than Natsu, in durability, strength, speed of attack, and in skill/react time.
2) Hades casualed team Erza. If you didn't notice that then you're blind. Makarov shrugged off everything Hades used against both opponents and Hades's finger bullets was a gag magic that just demonstrated how casual he was. He was literally going "pew pew pew", he underestimated them. He didn't even take Laxus seriously, he only took Makarov seriously. One of Makarov's ultimate techniques is Titan Mode, and that just makes him a giant.
Also Luffy is completely immune to anything that isn't going to stab him or freeze him completely.
The freeze isn't instant and I feel that Luffy could break his way out of it since it's not a pure Aokiji freeze but simply putting him in the middle. It should be easy to break out of considering Luffy has punched his way through whole houses without gear 3rd.
Also even if speed is equalized, gear 2nd would still let him speed blitz.
In character for early pre timeskip Luffy.
Luffy throws a jet pistol, due to speed being equalized Gray is above to freeze a wall in front of him and maybe the arm.
A giant roundhouse with a super long right kick that is stretched fully swings around and sidelines Gray. If Gray tries to freeze it or make a wall, the kick goes right through the wall and sidelines Gray on the side and sends him flying through 3 buildings because he didn't expect Luffy to be that strong. If he has knowledge on Luffy's strength he'll use the wall as a thing to slow down the kick which it didn't really do but a little and he jumps over it.
Given Gray is still around from dodging the kick, Luffy is around in the air above Gray and sends both his fists flying forward into Gray's face.
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Later Luffy:
Luffy walks to Gray as Gray creates ice makes to attack Luffy.
Luffy prepares a jet pistol calmly and then the fist just crushes through anything Gray can use.
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I don't care if you think you can freeze Luffy, Luffy would crush through any of the ice make things Luffy creates and Luffy would be aiming straight at Gray, also Gray is in this battle a relative glass canon since Luffy could break his neck with a single punch.
Take a look at 2:50
Also pay attention to the beating he gets in this fight and his combat speed when he's only a noob with gears.
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Reaction Time: Luffy
Martial Arts/Brawler skill: Luffy
Speed: (since bases are the same, g2 should make it a speed stomp) Luffy
Maneuverability: Luffy
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When Gray's magic is cut off, he displays superhuman stats, but they are trash compared to Luffy stats.
Gray would certainly beat my ass, but you can't go "well his power will win it for him"
Luffy has beaten a guy who can slow down time, he beat someone who can drain all the water out of his body with a single touch and not just that but also could control sand and do attacks with it/was sand himself, he was able to tag someone who could turn into lightning (yes the rubber is the reason he won but enel could still move at that speed along with having high levels of haki while luffy had zero haki), etc etc.
Saying a character uses a one hit technique isn't enough in One Piece. Law can cut people and manipulate their bodies, he also is a VERY skilled swordsman, but pre timeskip him wouldn't stomp pre timeskip Luffy.
Yes, Gray can freeze people, but Luffy can easily avoid that. We know Luffy has it in him to one hit Gray. The only way Gray is going to do anything to Luffy is a bladed ice make or freezing him, Luffy has displayed more power than gray's ice showings. Pre timeskip Luffy can crush his way out of instant freezes via pushing it away from him while he's frozen solid. Also if he has any momentum, he can just avoid the instant freezes more or less since he'd crush right through it with a jet pistol and so forth.
Luffy also has a better chance of tagging Gray and Gray has of tagging Luffy anyway.
1.Fist fighter? i disagree, durability, strength etc. Is all arguable.
2.Hades underestimated them because none of them were near his level in strength. He treated makarov casually as well and completely decimated him. Hades only lost due to happy, lily and carla going for his weakpoint which was his heart that was on the ship.
3. I highly doubt that and you have nothing to prove that. Plus gray was able to negate ice that managed to freeze the hell flame dragon atlas.
4. It is instant. It pretty much is anyway.
5. Gear 2nd wouldn't give him that much of a boost if his speed is equal to gray's.
When Gray's magic is cut off, he displays superhuman stats, but they are trash compared to Luffy stats.
Gray would certainly beat my ass, but you can't go "well his power will win it for him"
Luffy has beaten a guy who can slow down time, he beat someone who can drain all the water out of his body with a single touch and not just that but also could control sand and do attacks with it/was sand himself, he was able to tag someone who could turn into lightning (yes the rubber is the reason he won but enel could still move at that speed along with having high levels of haki while luffy had zero haki), etc etc.
Saying a character uses a one hit technique isn't enough in One Piece. Law can cut people and manipulate their bodies, he also is a VERY skilled swordsman, but pre timeskip him wouldn't stomp pre timeskip Luffy.
Yes, Gray can freeze people, but Luffy can easily avoid that. We know Luffy has it in him to one hit Gray. The only way Gray is going to do anything to Luffy is a bladed ice make or freezing him, Luffy has displayed more power than gray's ice showings. Pre timeskip Luffy can crush his way out of instant freezes via pushing it away from him while he's frozen solid. Also if he has any momentum, he can just avoid the instant freezes more or less since he'd crush right through it with a jet pistol and so forth.
Luffy also has a better chance of tagging Gray and Gray has of tagging Luffy anyway.
I won't matter since there are several factors in a fight, something you are not understanding.
Sigh..... moving on.
All of those fights were pure BS and PIS. Luffy stood no chance against any of those guys, especially crocodile.
Law is not a skilled swordsmen. His showcases are rather basic in the manga. He has gotten stomped by people several times nowadays.
You are going to have to show me luffy breaking out of ice. Because He failed to do so against aokoji.
Not true at all, like i previously said, gray's ranged attacks have great AOE and they usually hit their target. Gray even made an arrow so fast that it was fast enough to tag racer.
1.Fist fighter? i disagree, durability, strength etc. Is all arguable.
2.Hades underestimated them because none of them were near his level in strength. He treated makarov casually as well and completely decimated him. Hades only lost due to happy, lily and carla going for his weakpoint which was his heart that was on the ship.
3. I highly doubt that and you have nothing to prove that. Plus gray was able to negate ice that managed to freeze the hell flame dragon atlas.
4. It is instant. It pretty much is anyway.
5. Gear 2nd wouldn't give him that much of a boost if his speed is equal to gray's.
When Gray's magic is cut off, he displays superhuman stats, but they are trash compared to Luffy stats.
Gray would certainly beat my ass, but you can't go "well his power will win it for him"
Luffy has beaten a guy who can slow down time, he beat someone who can drain all the water out of his body with a single touch and not just that but also could control sand and do attacks with it/was sand himself, he was able to tag someone who could turn into lightning (yes the rubber is the reason he won but enel could still move at that speed along with having high levels of haki while luffy had zero haki), etc etc.
Saying a character uses a one hit technique isn't enough in One Piece. Law can cut people and manipulate their bodies, he also is a VERY skilled swordsman, but pre timeskip him wouldn't stomp pre timeskip Luffy.
Yes, Gray can freeze people, but Luffy can easily avoid that. We know Luffy has it in him to one hit Gray. The only way Gray is going to do anything to Luffy is a bladed ice make or freezing him, Luffy has displayed more power than gray's ice showings. Pre timeskip Luffy can crush his way out of instant freezes via pushing it away from him while he's frozen solid. Also if he has any momentum, he can just avoid the instant freezes more or less since he'd crush right through it with a jet pistol and so forth.
Luffy also has a better chance of tagging Gray and Gray has of tagging Luffy anyway.
I won't matter since there are several factors in a fight, something you are not understanding.
Sigh..... moving on.
All of those fights were pure BS and PIS. Luffy stood no chance against any of those guys, especially crocodile.
Law is not a skilled swordsmen. His showcases are rather basic in the manga. He has gotten stomped by people several times nowadays.
You are going to have to show me luffy breaking out of ice. Because He failed to do so against aokoji.
Not true at all, like i previously said, gray's ranged attacks have great AOE and they usually hit their target. Gray even made an arrow so fast that it was fast enough to tag racer.
Whatever im done here.
1) You won't admit that Luffy is a better fist fighter than Gray? Have you ever watched One Piece? I'm caught up (well I still need to read today's chapter) with Fairy Tail and I'm also caught up with One Piece (manga for both)
The discussion about who is stronger physically, who is a better fighter, etc etc is not debatable. It's beyond a doubt a fact. It's like trying to claim that Max can beat Laxus in a fist fight.
2) Hades didn't casual Makarov, he didn't use his demon eye, but he went on a much more serious level than versus the rest. The attack that beat Laxus is a beginning technique that Makarov shrugged off without any damage. Hades and Makarov were fairly equal, the only reason the fight ended so quickly was because Amaterasu seal level 90 or whatever the number was, which completely murder stomps any other technique including the demon technique that Hades used, did some damage to Makarov, enough where it gave him a heart attack. Hades blocked 80% of the technique however with his absolute defense seal. If Makarov didn't have the heart issue, Makarov would have pushed Hades further. Amaterasu seal level 20 or whatever had the scale of say a small bathroom. Amaterasu Seal level 90 (or whatever it is) had enveloped 4/6ths of the island with it's pressure.
http://www.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/216/10
This next technique is the best technique he used versus the younger generation, he used it to defeat Laxus:
http://www.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/216/6
http://www.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/216/7
So Hades did take Makarov seriously, he didn't activate his demon eye, but he only activated the demon eye to show his true power, he didn't actually use it. Hades took the team casually without his eye patch off, he took Makarov seriously without the eye patch.
Hades with demon eye > Makarov = Hades with demon eye covered > Hades casually > Laxus, Natsu, Erza, Gray, and Wendy(?)
Hades took a team of characters on a more casual level than he took Makarov.
Also you saying him beating Crocodile is bs is bs itself. Luffy beat Crocodile, Crocodile lost, it's a simple fact.
Law lost to Doflamingo only, Law beat Vergo who beat the shit out of Sanji without haki. Law also beat Smoker.
Are you trying to claim Law losing to Doflamingo means anything?
Doflamingo would so utterly stomp Fairy Tail it wouldn't even be funny. I'm not even talking about Gray only, I'm talking about, well actually I think Doflamingo could beat every single human character in Fairy Tail solo.
Insulting Law for losing against Doflamingo is like insulting Goku for not being able to beat Cell.
When Gray freezes Luffy, he'll freeze him in a block of ice.
When Aokiji froze Luffy, he literally froze Luffy on an internal level so that he couldn't function.
If Gray froze Luffy's heart when he froze (which he doesn't) then he'd be a threat.
Heck, that's even if Gray can tag Luffy. Aokiji is Acnologia tier.
Luffy spams punches while screaming like he does all the time, what does Gray do? He can't dodge since the constant punches will just break his face in with too many, Gray has no where near the showing to dodge something like that, heck Laxus and other top tiers don't even.
He can't block it since Luffy breaks through any ice and each punch is focused on Gray so it's not like Gray can just keep making them. Gray is getting his face pounded in, this isn't a close match. You might like Gray as a character but LUffy even if he's reduced on speed will stomp Gray.
Strength doesn't equal quality of character or anything however.
That said, One Piece is better written than Fairy Tail which is a series about not earning victories. I like how you say Luffy didn't deserve his fight against Crocodile which was a very brutal fight which involved Luffy using his own blood as liquid to hit Crocodile, yet you completely ignore the fact that every fight in Fairy Tail is solved via friendship power ups.
Unless Gray gets a friendship power up, he's going to get his ass handed to him.
2. Hades blocked all of makarov's attacks easily, and he was dancing around the core FT guild easily and 100 percent shrugging off their attacks while smacking them around. He only used his seals on them just to show how big the gap in power was. He even tanked natsu's lightning flame dragon roar which punched a hole in a mountain nearby.
Also you saying him beating Crocodile is bs is bs itself. Luffy beat Crocodile, Crocodile lost, it's a simple fact.
Yeah by using his own blood from his body after getting his ass kicked. He lost to crocodile consistently throughout the alabasta arc. Him suddenly winning because of such a small factor is major BS.
, Law beat Vergo who beat the shit out of Sanji without haki. Law also beat Smoker.
Vergo kicked law's ass then made a comeback randomly. I really don't see how that isn't BS. Law beated smoker via hax. Without it, there is no way of knowing whether or not he would have won.
He can't block it since Luffy breaks through any ice and each punch is focused on Gray so it's not like Gray can just keep making them. Gray is getting his face pounded in, this isn't a close match. You might like Gray as a character but LUffy even if he's reduced on speed will stomp Gray.
Gray is a boring character and he is one of my least favorites in FT. -.- im just taking all the factors into consideration in this battle.
All of those fights were pure BS and PIS. Luffy stood no chance against any of those guys, especially crocodile.
what? you are defending Fairy Tail by calling something in One Piece pis? LOL you really are a ft fanboy ^^
Interesting so me having an opinion makes me a fanboy? Great logic. Sorry im human and i have theories and opinions and perspectives like a normal human being should. The fact that you cannot see half of the PIS in one piece makes you the fanboy.
Interesting so me having an opinion makes me a fanboy? Great logic. Sorry im human and i have theories and opinions and perspectives like a normal human being should. The fact that you cannot see half of the PIS in one piece makes you the fanboy.
what?`where did i say anything about pis in one piece?i even said that gray would win under these circumstances
but yeah your statement was funny because FT is one of the most pic/cis driven anime/manga around and sorry but if you call the instance with law/vergo bs then i guess 99% of the FT fights are also bs to you
Interesting so me having an opinion makes me a fanboy? Great logic. Sorry im human and i have theories and opinions and perspectives like a normal human being should. The fact that you cannot see half of the PIS in one piece makes you the fanboy.
what?`where did i say anything about pis in one piece?i even said that gray would win under these circumstances
but yeah your statement was funny because FT is one of the most pic/cis driven anime/manga around and sorry but if you call the instance with law/vergo bs then i guess 99% of the FT fights are also bs to you
Oh really?
what? you are defending Fairy Tail by calling something in One Piece pis?
It depends on your definition of BS.
Because i can call as much BS in OP as you can in FT.
@pantypolice: If luffy wasn't getting his ass kicked all over the place his blood wouldn't have been used against crocodile. If he wasn't using water(which was apparently everywhere in the middle of a desert) And if he didn't use his blood which came from all his injuries from their fights, luffy wouldn't be touching crocodile. Plus luffy took a huge dose of poison into his body, he shouldn't have been able to move in the first place.
The fact that gray has full knowledge on Luffy makes this battle more in gray's favor to an extent. Anyway im done here this argument is pointless.
And do you still want to do that Gray vs Usopp CAV?
@pantypolice: If luffy wasn't getting his ass kicked all over the place his blood wouldn't have been used against crocodile. If he wasn't using water(which was apparently everywhere in the middle of a desert) And if he didn't use his blood which came from all his injuries from their fights, luffy wouldn't be touching crocodile. Plus luffy took a huge dose of poison into his body, he shouldn't have been able to move in the first place.
The fact that gray has full knowledge on Luffy makes this battle more in gray's favor to an extent. Anyway im done here this argument is pointless.
And do you still want to do that Gray vs Usopp CAV?
Crocodile is a superhuman who can take a beating.
You insulting a pre timskip Luffy for losing to pre timeskip Crocodile is like insulting Law for losing to Doflamingo.
Crocodile isn't a chump with the fruit, he's a bad ass and raw fighter who has the fruit.
Crocodile hit Luffy, yes, but you act like Crocodile wouldn't shove his hook through Gray.
Luffy had a resistance to the poison due to him being made of rubber, not absolute, but he would be better than you or I would be.
He also is heavily superhuman and is used to fighting through pain.
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