Grand Master Luke vs Black Bolt

@YouFinished said:

Black Bolt should win. He should have the speed advantage and only needs a whisper to end it or he could just us electron manipulation.

Nope.

@Baldy:

Black Bolt has traded blows with herald level beings such as Thor, Gladiator (on multiple occasions) and Vulcan; all FTL fighters. Also he intercepted a solar flare and neutralized it.

@YouFinished said:

@Baldy:

Black Bolt has traded blows with herald level beings such as Thor, Gladiator (on multiple occasions) and Vulcan; all FTL fighters. Also he intercepted a solar flare and neutralized it.

What? Go ahead and prove that when they traded blows, they were moving faster than light. I'm betting you can't, because Black Bolt isn't that fast.

@Skaddix said:

yeah sublight means nothing anything less then light speed is sublight. Its not defined like supersonic vs hypersonic

Go learn the feats first. To someone who can dodge lightning and and see ships of sub-light level in slow motion (Anakin), Sidious was so fast it was impossible to see him. The Luke we are using in this fight is that fast.

@Baldy said:

@YouFinished said:

@Baldy:

Black Bolt has traded blows with herald level beings such as Thor, Gladiator (on multiple occasions) and Vulcan; all FTL fighters. Also he intercepted a solar flare and neutralized it.

What? Go ahead and prove that when they traded blows, they were moving faster than light. I'm betting you can't, because Black Bolt isn't that fast.

Luke doesn't move faster than light. His attacks are near the speed of light, if one can move at a relativistic speed they have the advantage.

This depends on your definition of "sub-light".

For their speed, while this was not shown to be exact, Sidious has moved from roughly half the span of a spaceport (or perhaps more) in the time of a short conversation, though the exact speed isn't shown, just that he "appeared". Although this is off-topic, I do recall Palpatine creating a storm with his mere fury, though he remained calm, at least on the outside.

To be exact, it was the "Bringer of Chaos"/"Entity of Chaos". You know who I'm talking about, from FotJ.

What does your last point have to do with my post?

@Silver2467 said:

@ShootingNova said:

This depends on your definition of "sub-light".

My definition is Star Wars' definition; that is to say, a significant fraction of light speed.

1% of the speed of light for example is still over 6 million mph, I don't see Black Bolt moving that fast.

I think exact definitions in this case are irrelevant.

Luke blitz Black Bolt.

@Silver2467 said:

@ShootingNova said:

This depends on your definition of "sub-light".

My definition is Star Wars' definition; that is to say, a significant fraction of light speed.

1% of the speed of light for example is still over 6 million mph, I don't see Black Bolt moving that fast.

I think exact definitions in this case are irrelevant.

@Baldy said:

@YouFinished said:

@Baldy:

Black Bolt has traded blows with herald level beings such as Thor, Gladiator (on multiple occasions) and Vulcan; all FTL fighters. Also he intercepted a solar flare and neutralized it.

What? Go ahead and prove that when they traded blows, they were moving faster than light. I'm betting you can't, because Black Bolt isn't that fast.

What makes you think BB isn't that fast? Both Thor, Gladiator and Vulcan have FTL combat feats and they were all serious fights. And he intercepted a solar flare that was about to annihilate Earth that's an FTL feat itself. He also defeated the Classic Sphinx, the same Sphinx who went toe-toe with Galactus and one shotted classic Terrax. I can provide scans if you like.

@YouFinished said:

@Baldy said:

@YouFinished said:

@Baldy:

Black Bolt has traded blows with herald level beings such as Thor, Gladiator (on multiple occasions) and Vulcan; all FTL fighters. Also he intercepted a solar flare and neutralized it.

What? Go ahead and prove that when they traded blows, they were moving faster than light. I'm betting you can't, because Black Bolt isn't that fast.

What makes you think BB isn't that fast? Both Thor, Gladiator and Vulcan have FTL combat feats and they were all serious fights. And he intercepted a solar flare that was about to annihilate Earth that's an FTL feat itself. He also defeated the Classic Sphinx, the same Sphinx who went toe-toe with Galactus and one shotted classic Terrax. I can provide scans if you like.

So Black Bolt is FTL? or at very least close to the light speed?

@Mortein:

FTL considering the feats.

@Nefarious said:

BB says Hi.

LOL this.

@YouFinished said:

@Mortein:

FTL considering the feats.

And feats would be trading blows with Thor, Gladiator and similar characters?

wouldn't that make Hulk FTL as well?

@Mortein said:

@YouFinished said:

@Mortein:

FTL considering the feats.

And feats would be trading blows with Thor, Gladiator and similar characters?

wouldn't that make Hulk FTL as well?

I don't see your point. Black Bolt has on multiple occasion dealt with herald level beings, has the destructive capacity and durability to scale, has an FTL feat of his own, and has less jobber/bad-writing feats that say otherwise. Unlike the Hulk it should be safe to say he's FTL.

@Silver2467 said:

@ShootingNova said:My definition is Star Wars' definition; that is to say, a significant fraction of light speed.

Okay.

What events are you referring to here?

I'm referring to exactly what I said before, that Sidious did those things.

Not the same. Abeloth is not Chaos itself, and her title means very little to me. Beyond that, I am ignoring the Legacy era, because Luke in his prime is NJO Luke, not Legacy era Luke.

I know, I didn't say it was the same. As for ignoring the Legacy Era, I can understand your hate towards it, but simply ignoring it as a whole is not really the best thing to do...... its still canon. While I agree with you that Luke's prime was NJO, that's not a sufficient reason to totally ignore the Legacy era. Feats from said era can still be used.

It has everything to do with it. You claimed that Luke was as fast as Palpatine because he could fight him. This was wrong.

You were referring to the post with the scan, or what? Because it had nothing to do specifically with the post you quoted.

Even so, Luke as of NJO could still move to at least equal level with Palpatine.

@YouFinished said:

@Baldy said:

@YouFinished said:

@Baldy:

Black Bolt has traded blows with herald level beings such as Thor, Gladiator (on multiple occasions) and Vulcan; all FTL fighters. Also he intercepted a solar flare and neutralized it.

What? Go ahead and prove that when they traded blows, they were moving faster than light. I'm betting you can't, because Black Bolt isn't that fast.

What makes you think BB isn't that fast? Both Thor, Gladiator and Vulcan have FTL combat feats and they were all serious fights. And he intercepted a solar flare that was about to annihilate Earth that's an FTL feat itself. He also defeated the Classic Sphinx, the same Sphinx who went toe-toe with Galactus and one shotted classic Terrax. I can provide scans if you like.

Providing the scans is not proving what Baldy asked you to prove. He was asking you to prove that he could move at that speed. Just because he battled with a being who's demonstrated FTL doesn't necessarily equate to BB possessing that level of speed.

Why do all the threads that have at least one non-comic book character get so poulaur....sigh

I'm referring to exactly what I said before, that Sidious did those things.

I know, I didn't say it was the same. As for ignoring the Legacy Era, I can understand your hate towards it, but simply ignoring it as a whole is not really the best thing to do...... its still canon. While I agree with you that Luke's prime was NJO, that's not a sufficient reason to totally ignore the Legacy era. Feats from said era can still be used.

Providing the scans is not proving what Baldy asked you to prove. He was asking you to prove that he could move at that speed. Just because he battled with a being who's demonstrated FTL doesn't necessarily equate to BB possessing that level of speed.

@menaceforever said:

Why do all the threads that have at least one non-comic book character get so poulaur....sigh

@YouFinished said:

has an FTL feat of his own

can you show me this?

@Silver2467 said:

@ShootingNova said:I know that. I asked you when he did those things.

In Last of the Jedi: Master of Deception

My personal feelings toward the series has nothing to do with my consensus on its use. There is no feasible way to exposit on Luke's powers in the Legacy era in anything resembling a linear fashion because Luke's powers in the Legacy era are all over the place. In some books, he can barely handle Lumiya, yet in others, he can overwhelm Abeloth and multiple Sith at once. There is no rhyme or reason for the disparities either, and that ruins any chance of properly utilizing that version of the character in battle threads.

Well, Abeloth isn't really supposed to be that much of a duelist anyways. And she could have been holding back, or Luke holding back, but I get your point.

The point is nonsense to begin with because none of the characters listed possess FTL combat speed. Gladiator has about one noticeably high combat speed feat from his fight with Hyperion; aside from that, I have seen him fail to react to significantly slower characters and neglect to use whatever supposed high combat speed he has repeatedly. Suggesting that Thor has FTL combat speed is beyond laughable. Thor couldn't even maintain pace with Quicksilver or even Wolverine when it came to fighting speed.

Yeah, I know. I was just telling him.

I recall somebody posting something about Thor entering Hyperspace......

I mean comic book originated characters.

In Last of the Jedi: Master of Deception

@Silver2467 said:

@ShootingNova said:

In Last of the Jedi: Master of Deception

All right. Not really sure why you would make that your frame of reference though. Palpatine has plenty of better running speed feats than that.

I dunno. It was probably a few seconds that was taken for the whole spaceport walking thing, and there was a large crowd (which was laughing at him).

Yeah, there are other feats he has shown of great scale too.

@ShootingNova said: .

Providing the scans is not proving what Baldy asked you to prove. He was asking you to prove that he could move at that speed. Just because he battled with a being who's demonstrated FTL doesn't necessarily equate to BB possessing that level of speed.

How do you expect me to prove it without scans? And to battle beings with said speed does it not require said speed to even contend?

@Mortein said:

can you show me this?

Intercepting a solar flare before it could reach earth.

Luke stomps Black Bolt before he could say a word.

@dccomicsrule2011 said:

Luke stomps Black Bolt before he could say a word.

Finally.

@YouFinished said:

@ShootingNova said: .

Providing the scans is not proving what Baldy asked you to prove. He was asking you to prove that he could move at that speed. Just because he battled with a being who's demonstrated FTL doesn't necessarily equate to BB possessing that level of speed.

How do you expect me to prove it without scans? And to battle beings with said speed does it not require said speed to even contend?

@Mortein said:

can you show me this?

Intercepting a solar flare before it could reach earth.

I never said that you can't prove it without scans. Read my post again.

@YouFinished said:

@ShootingNova said: .

Providing the scans is not proving what Baldy asked you to prove. He was asking you to prove that he could move at that speed. Just because he battled with a being who's demonstrated FTL doesn't necessarily equate to BB possessing that level of speed.

How do you expect me to prove it without scans? And to battle beings with said speed does it not require said speed to even contend?

@Mortein said:

can you show me this?

Intercepting a solar flare before it could reach earth.

How is this an FTL feat?

wow this is a really old topic but just let me chime in here about black bolts speed feats:

• Superhuman Strength: Black Bolt, like all Inhumans, is superhumanly strong. According to his bio, under normal circumstances, he is able to lift about 1 ton. However, he can augment his physical strength by channeling the necessary particle energy through his body. At his peak, he is able to lift up to 60 tons.

• Superhuman Speed: Black Bolt can run and move at speeds that are beyond the natural physical limits of the finest human athlete, as he has been able to catch directed miniature missiles even when attacked from below and unaware with ease, move at a speed so great he is invisible to the human eye, move at such a speed he can travel vast distances before a human can finish processing a thought, and has been able to catch and beat Quicksilver with ease. He can augment his speed to unknown level.

ie: for those wandering how fast he is, think about this quicksilver is so fast he can time travel, and black bolt easily caught him, and can even augment his speed to levels above this

• Superhuman Stamina: Black Bolt's Inhuman musculature generates less fatigue toxins than the musculature of a normal human, even the finest human athlete. At his peak, he can exert himself for several days before the build up of fatigue toxins in his blood begins to impair him. He can augment his stamina to unknown as well as his other physical abilities with his powers.

• Superhuman Durability: Black Bolt's body is incredibly resistant to all forms of physical damage. Black Bolt is resistant to great impact forces, such as falling from a height of several stories that would severely injure or kill a human being unharmed. He has been repeatedly struck by beings with vast superhuman strength such as Hulk, Namor, Gladiator etc. and remained unharmed. Black Bolt is capable of withstanding extreme temperatures, such as the cold in space without any discomfort, the heat from re-entry without any discomfort, and even the heat from a Solar Flare powerful enough to significantly damage the planet without any damage at all. Black Bolt can augment his durability to unknown limits.

• Superhuman Agility: Black Bolt's agility, balance, and bodily coordination are enhanced to levels that are beyond the natural physical limits of the finest human athlete. He has shown inhuman and amazing maneuverability and agility in the air, capable enough of combating numerous air crafts, and dodging various projectiles from multiple directions. Black Bolt can augment his agility to unknown levels.

• Superhuman Reflexes: Black Bolt's reflexes are beyond those of the finest human athlete, and he can augment his reflexes to unknown levels.

• Superhuman Longevity: Like all Inhumans, Black Bolt has a natural lifespan that is at least twice the average lifespan of a human being.