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#1 Posted by Army2442 (1470 posts) - - Show Bio

Random encounter

no prep

Morals off

Location: Abandoned city 300 feet away

Modern versions of both

standard gear

ko elmination

Who wins?

#2 Posted by Army2442 (1470 posts) - - Show Bio

bump

#3 Posted by Bo88gdan (4393 posts) - - Show Bio

Black BOlt 

#4 Posted by menaceforever (3696 posts) - - Show Bio

Black bolt with ease.

#5 Posted by Nefarious (18648 posts) - - Show Bio

BB says Hi. 

#6 Edited by ShootingNova (15523 posts) - - Show Bio

Luke blitzes and kills him before anything happens. If somehow otherwise happens, and Black Bolt manages to speak, you know what happens.

#7 Posted by JediWaffles (746 posts) - - Show Bio

@ShootingNova said:

Luke blitzes and kills him before anything happens. If somehow otherwise happens, and Black Bolt manages to speak, you know what happens.

Yeah, Luke moves too fast for Black Bolt. Since, however, it is a random encounter, there is a possibility Luke might want to appraise the situation, giving BB the chance to let loose.

#8 Edited by ShootingNova (15523 posts) - - Show Bio

@JediWaffles said:

@ShootingNova said:

Luke blitzes and kills him before anything happens. If somehow otherwise happens, and Black Bolt manages to speak, you know what happens.

Yeah, Luke moves too fast for Black Bolt. Since, however, it is a random encounter, there is a possibility Luke might want to appraise the situation, giving BB the chance to let loose.

He can appraise said situations in a fraction of a second that makes things look like they were "frozen in time" around him. Not to mention he would be able to sense BB priorly.

#9 Posted by ThexX (1559 posts) - - Show Bio

Black Bolt wins.

#10 Posted by menaceforever (3696 posts) - - Show Bio

Luke can't move faster than the speed of sound.

#11 Edited by ShootingNova (15523 posts) - - Show Bio

@menaceforever said:

Luke can't move faster than the speed of sound.

LOL what? He moves near the speed of light.

#12 Posted by menaceforever (3696 posts) - - Show Bio

Since when. Also, it doesn't really matter since BB can fly and has matter manipulation and can control th electro matic spectrum which could possibly kill Luke.

#13 Posted by ShootingNova (15523 posts) - - Show Bio

@menaceforever said:

Since when. Also, it doesn't really matter since BB can fly and has matter manipulation and can control th electro matic spectrum which could possibly kill Luke.

Since he fought with Sidious, who is faster than the eye of somebody who can dodge lightning and see sub-light speed ships.

None of this can do anything unless BB can even react before he gets sliced and diced.

#14 Posted by menaceforever (3696 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't want to break the numbers tonight so can we just beg to differ.

#15 Posted by ShootingNova (15523 posts) - - Show Bio

@menaceforever: You want to agree to disagree?

I still stand by my original position.

#16 Posted by menaceforever (3696 posts) - - Show Bio

Yes as do I

#17 Posted by ShootingNova (15523 posts) - - Show Bio

@menaceforever: Fine then.

#18 Posted by ShootingNova (15523 posts) - - Show Bio

Majority of the people here supporting Black Bolt haven't even given a proper reason, but that is hardly surprising.

#19 Posted by TheAcidSkull (17261 posts) - - Show Bio

black bolt stomps

#20 Edited by ShootingNova (15523 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheAcidSkull said:

black bolt stomps

Based on? Again, lack of reasoning is not surprising.

#21 Posted by Baldy (5021 posts) - - Show Bio

Grand Master Luke with no morals would destroy Black Bolt, I don't see why so many people are supporting him.

#22 Posted by Sufferthorn (1734 posts) - - Show Bio

@ShootingNova:

Black Bolt speaks an entire sentence in greeting....

Yep.

#23 Posted by ShootingNova (15523 posts) - - Show Bio

@Baldy said:

Grand Master Luke with no morals would destroy Black Bolt, I don't see why so many people are supporting him.

Because they hold no knowledge on him whatsoever.

@Sufferthorn said:

@ShootingNova:

Black Bolt speaks an entire sentence in greeting....

Yep.

And he is incapable of even reacting before getting destroyed.

#24 Posted by TheAcidSkull (17261 posts) - - Show Bio

@ShootingNova: based on the fact that all he has to do i say HI and luke dies

#25 Posted by ShootingNova (15523 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheAcidSkull: You think I do not know this? Black Bolt cannot even react before being slain.

#26 Posted by Sufferthorn (1734 posts) - - Show Bio

@ShootingNova:

You need to show me some speed-feats my friend.

#27 Posted by TheAcidSkull (17261 posts) - - Show Bio

@ShootingNova: luke is fast but he is not that fast, like i said even a whisper could kill luke

#28 Posted by Baldy (5021 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheAcidSkull said:

@ShootingNova: based on the fact that all he has to do i say HI and luke dies

Too bad he doesn't have time to even try before he gets wreaked.

#29 Posted by ShootingNova (15523 posts) - - Show Bio

@Sufferthorn: Tell me, now, if Black Bolt moves at near-relativistic speeds that are so fast somebody who can dodge lightning, see sub-light speed ships and so on cannot even see him.

Luke has fought on par with Sidious, who moves to fast for Anakin to react.

#30 Posted by ShootingNova (15523 posts) - - Show Bio

@Baldy said:

@TheAcidSkull said:

@ShootingNova: based on the fact that all he has to do i say HI and luke dies

Too bad he doesn't have time to even try before he gets wreaked.

That's for sure.

@TheAcidSkull said:

@ShootingNova: luke is fast but he is not that fast, like i said even a whisper could kill luke

Can you post something you know about?

@ShootingNova said:

@Sufferthorn: Tell me, now, if Black Bolt moves at near-relativistic speeds that are so fast somebody who can dodge lightning, see sub-light speed ships and so on cannot even see him.

Luke has fought on par with Sidious, who moves to fast for Anakin to react.

#31 Posted by Sufferthorn (1734 posts) - - Show Bio

@ShootingNova:

Anakin is not an impressive individual when we're talking about this league...

If it's Morals Off.

Black Bolt just starts screaming his head off and destroys everything.

#32 Edited by ShootingNova (15523 posts) - - Show Bio

@Sufferthorn said:

@ShootingNova:

Anakin is not an impressive individual when we're talking about this league...

If it's Morals Off.

Black Bolt just starts screaming his head off and destroys everything.

Is this a joke?

Anakin, not impressive?

Obi-Wan was already making that exact move as Anakin spoke. But they were inverted to each other: breaking right shot him one way while Anakin whipped the other. The tri-fighters' cannons ripped space between them, tracking faster than their starfighters could slip. His onboard threat display chimed a warning: two of the droids had remote sensor locks on him. The others must have lit up his partner. "Anakin! Slip-jaws!"
"My thought exactly."
They blew past the tri-fighters, looping in evasive spirals. The droid ships wrenched themselves into pursuit maneuvers that would have killed any living pilot. The slip-jaws maneuver was named for the scissorlike mandibles of the Kashyyyk slash-spider. Droids closing rapidly on their tails, cannonfire stitching space on all sides, the two Jedi pulled their ships through perfectly mirrored rolls that sent them streaking head-on for each other from opposite ends of a vast Republic cruiser. For merely human pilots, this would be suicide. By the time you can see your partner's starfighter streaking toward you at a respectable fraction of lightspeed, it's already too late for your merely human reflexes to react.
But these particular pilots were far from merely human.
The Force nudged hands on control yokes and the Jedi starfighters twisted and flashed past each other belly-to-belly, close enough to scorch each other's paint.

--Taken from Revenge of the Sith

Come try again. Anakin has also come at people with the Force of a meteor strike, dodged lightning, stuck Ventress so hard he shattered stone behind her, and so on.

Morals, off, Luke destroys him before he can react.

#33 Posted by Sufferthorn (1734 posts) - - Show Bio

@ShootingNova:

Compared to the likes of Black Bolt, Anakin is NOTHING

#34 Posted by ShootingNova (15523 posts) - - Show Bio

@Sufferthorn said:

@ShootingNova:

Compared to the likes of Black Bolt, Anakin is NOTHING

No, he isn't. You haven't even read the quote.

We aren't comparing Anakin anyways. This is Luke. Who has duelled with someone who is so fast someone who dodges lightning and does that above said feat, cannot even see.

#35 Posted by ShootingNova (15523 posts) - - Show Bio

@Sufferthorn: You also have yet to show me Black Bolt possessing that amount of speed, or even enough to react to that.

#36 Posted by Sufferthorn (1734 posts) - - Show Bio

@ShootingNova:

Doesn't matter if he dodges lightning....that's not gonna be fast enough to defeat Black Bolt if he starts wailing.

Black Bolt has demolished entire fleets...and laid waste to the surface of entire planets.

Luke is powerful....but he isn't going to even know Black Bolts power since it's a random-encounter. I think Black Bolt has quite enough time.

#37 Posted by TheAcidSkull (17261 posts) - - Show Bio

@ShootingNova: the BB that was fighting hulk was a skrull who's powers are weaker than the original, and he injured the HUlk

#38 Posted by ShootingNova (15523 posts) - - Show Bio

@Sufferthorn said:

@ShootingNova:

Doesn't matter if he dodges lightning....that's not gonna be fast enough to defeat Black Bolt if he starts wailing.

Black Bolt has demolished entire fleets...and laid waste to the surface of entire planets.

Luke is powerful....but he isn't going to even know Black Bolts power since it's a random-encounter. I think Black Bolt has quite enough time.

Eh? No, Anakin dodged lightning, he couldn't even see Palpatine, who Luke bested.

And Palpatine did that as well, via Wormholes. Luke has stood before such powers.

And, yes, he will. It's called sensing some things prior in a micro-fraction of a second.

You have yet to prove Black Bolt moves at near-relativistic speeds.

Luke has seen people who move at near-light speeds in slow motion, as well.

He has defeated Chaos.

And so on.

#39 Edited by ShootingNova (15523 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheAcidSkull said:

@ShootingNova: the BB that was fighting hulk was a skrull who's powers are weaker than the original, and he injured the HUlk

This refutes nothing.

Again, show me these beings can move near the speed of light. And Luke sees beings that move that fast in slow-motion.

#40 Posted by Sufferthorn (1734 posts) - - Show Bio

@ShootingNova:

All Black Bolt needs to be able to do is open his mouth.

And if you think Luke is superior to the Hulk...you are in for a surprise.

But it's 5 AM and i'm going to hit the sack.

#41 Edited by ShootingNova (15523 posts) - - Show Bio

@Sufferthorn said:

@ShootingNova:

All Black Bolt needs to be able to do is open his mouth.

And if you think Luke is superior to the Hulk...you are in for a surprise.

But it's 5 AM and i'm going to hit the sack.

And he can't. He can't even react, much less that.

When did I say that? But normal Hulk wouldn't be able to even see him. He could just freeze the Hulk.

Then go. You have shown nothing to prove your argument or refute mine. Good night, or should I say, morning.

#42 Posted by TheAcidSkull (17261 posts) - - Show Bio

@ShootingNova: BB can't move at the speed of light, please show me that luke can, i doubt he could kill BB before he say's Boom

#43 Posted by TheAcidSkull (17261 posts) - - Show Bio

@ShootingNova said:

@Sufferthorn said:

@ShootingNova:

All Black Bolt needs to be able to do is open his mouth.

And if you think Luke is superior to the Hulk...you are in for a surprise.

But it's 5 AM and i'm going to hit the sack.

And he can't. He can't even react, much less that.

When did I say that? But normal Hulk wouldn't be able to even see him. He could just freeze the Hulk.

Then go. You have shown nothing to prove your argument or refute mine. Good night, or should I say, morning.

you can't freeze hulk

#44 Edited by ShootingNova (15523 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheAcidSkull said:

@ShootingNova: BB can't move at the speed of light, please show me that luke can, i doubt he could kill BB before he say's Boom

If you read my before post..... you would know. Luke would kill BB before he can even react. And I said "near-relativistic", mind you.

I'm just posting you a sequential chain:

This is Luke fighting on par with Sidious (note that Luke wasn't in his prime, but Palpatine was):

Obi-Wan was already making that exact move as Anakin spoke. But they were inverted to each other: breaking right shot him one way while Anakin whipped the other. The tri-fighters' cannons ripped space between them, tracking faster than their starfighters could slip. His onboard threat display chimed a warning: two of the droids had remote sensor locks on him. The others must have lit up his partner. "Anakin! Slip-jaws!"
"My thought exactly."
They blew past the tri-fighters, looping in evasive spirals. The droid ships wrenched themselves into pursuit maneuvers that would have killed any living pilot. The slip-jaws maneuver was named for the scissorlike mandibles of the Kashyyyk slash-spider. Droids closing rapidly on their tails, cannonfire stitching space on all sides, the two Jedi pulled their ships through perfectly mirrored rolls that sent them streaking head-on for each other from opposite ends of a vast Republic cruiser. For merely human pilots, this would be suicide. By the time you can see your partner's starfighter streaking toward you at a respectable fraction of lightspeed, it's already too late for your merely human reflexes to react.
But these particular pilots were far from merely human.
The Force nudged hands on control yokes and the Jedi starfighters twisted and flashed past each other belly-to-belly, close enough to scorch each other's paint.

--Taken from Revenge of the Sith

Anakin's speed level (he has also dodged lightning, but this is easier to get since I just posted it last page)

Anakin blinked and rubbed his eyes again. Maybe he was still a bit flash-blind—the Korun Master seemed to be fading in and out of existence, half swallowed by a thickening black haze in which danced a meter-long bar of sunfire. Mace pressed back the darkness with a relentless straight-ahead march; his own blade, that distinctive amethyst blaze that had been the final sight of so many evil beings across the galaxy, made a haze of its own: an oblate sphere of purple fire within which there seemed to be dozens of swords slashing in all directions at once.
The shadow he fought, that blur of speed—could that be Palpatine?
Their blades flared and flashed, crashing together with bursts of fire, weaving nets of killing energy in exchanges so fast that Anakin could not truly see them—but he could feel them in the Force. The Force itself roiled and burst and crashed around them, boiling with power and lightspeed ricochets of lethal intent. And it was darkening.

He could feel the end of this battle approaching, and so could the blur of Sith he faced; in the Force, the shadow had become a pulsar of fear.

-- Revenge of the Sith novel, Sidious is faster than Anakin's eye.

Anakin fails to see Palpatine (who wasn't in his prime).

#45 Posted by ShootingNova (15523 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheAcidSkull: I'm not saying he freezes the Hulk, but suspends him, and so on. Hulk can't even see him, anyways.

#46 Posted by Silver2467 (16527 posts) - - Show Bio
@ShootingNova said: 

Eh? No, Anakin dodged lightning, he couldn't even see Palpatine, who Luke bested.

And Palpatine did that as well, via Wormholes. Luke has stood before such powers.

And, yes, he will. It's called sensing some things prior in a micro-fraction of a second.

You have yet to prove Black Bolt moves at near-relativistic speeds.

Luke has seen people who move at near-light speeds in slow motion, as well.

He has defeated Chaos.

And so on.

This entire post is wrong. Luke bested Palpatine? Sure, with help from others who diminished Palpatine's powers. 
 
Luke has stood against powers of global destruction? Sure but none of which was directed against him. 
 
Luke can run at near-relativistic speeds? No, and neither can Palpatine. They can throw blows and react at sublight speeds, but their movement speed is lower than that (albeit still incredibly high). 
 
He has never seen people who move that fast in slow motion, but he has seen ships moveing that fast in slow motion. 
 
Who defeated Chaos, and what does that even mean? Chaos is not an individual; Chaos is a realm. And no one has "defeated" it. 
 
Lastly, when Luke fought Palpatine, he was still not fast as the latter yet. Luke was similar to Yoda; he was fast enough to fight Sidious but not as fast as Sidious. If he was, none of his later fights in that era would have been a problem (even if he does hold back, and granted, many of his later fights were easy for him). Luke in the NR era was about as fast as Yoda, not faster. Only in the latter part of the NJO where Luke reached his prime did he start displaying speed more in line with Palpatine, though because of his character, he had a tendency to reserve it. 
 
That being said, I honestly never read much about Black Bolt (although I have meant to for a long time), but if he lacks the speed to react to Luke (and I honestly have never seen a single speed feat from him of much weight, but there could be some out there) and lacks the durability to withstand a lightsaber strike or millions to billions of tons of pressure by TK, then he would probably lose. As for his scream, to be perfectly honest, I see no reason why Luke couldn't just telekinetically close Blackagar's throat and/or mouth. Luke has even utilized that tactic before against Nightsisters, who have to invoke their spells. With his precog, Force senses, and TK, all of which he has operated in the span of nanoseconds, I see no reason why Luke would be incapable of just restricting Black Bolt's ability to release a scream. But again, there might be a detail relating to that I am ignorant of.
#47 Posted by The_Thunderer (2894 posts) - - Show Bio

Luke ftw. Morals off Lke is pretty damn powerful.

#48 Posted by ShootingNova (15523 posts) - - Show Bio

@Silver2467 said:

@ShootingNova said:

Eh? No, Anakin dodged lightning, he couldn't even see Palpatine, who Luke bested.

And Palpatine did that as well, via Wormholes. Luke has stood before such powers.

And, yes, he will. It's called sensing some things prior in a micro-fraction of a second.

You have yet to prove Black Bolt moves at near-relativistic speeds.

Luke has seen people who move at near-light speeds in slow motion, as well.

He has defeated Chaos.

And so on.

This entire post is wrong. Luke bested Palpatine? Sure, with help from others who diminished Palpatine's powers.

Luke has stood against powers of global destruction? Sure but none of which was directed against him.

Luke can run at near-relativistic speeds? No, and neither can Palpatine. They can throw blows and react at sublight speeds, but their movement speed is lower than that (albeit still incredibly high).

He has never seen people who move that fast in slow motion, but he has seen ships moveing that fast in slow motion.

Who defeated Chaos, and what does that even mean? Chaos is not an individual; Chaos is a realm. And no one has "defeated" it.

Lastly, when Luke fought Palpatine, he was still not fast as the latter yet. Luke was similar to Yoda; he was fast enough to fight Sidious but not as fast as Sidious. If he was, none of his later fights in that era would have been a problem (even if he does hold back, and granted, many of his later fights were easy for him). Luke in the NR era was about as fast as Yoda, not faster. Only in the latter part of the NJO where Luke reached his prime did he start displaying speed more in line with Palpatine, though because of his character, he had a tendency to reserve it. That being said, I honestly never read much about Black Bolt (although I have meant to for a long time), but if he lacks the speed to react to Luke (and I honestly have never seen a single speed feat from him of much weight, but there could be some out there) and lacks the durability to withstand a lightsaber strike or millions to billions of tons of pressure by TK, then he would probably lose. As for his scream, to be perfectly honest, I see no reason why Luke couldn't just telekinetically close Blackagar's throat and/or mouth. Luke has even utilized that tactic before against Nightsisters, who have to invoke their spells. With his precog, Force senses, and TK, all of which he has operated in the span of nanoseconds, I see no reason why Luke would be incapable of just restricting Black Bolt's ability to release a scream. But again, there might be a detail relating to that I am ignorant of.

And with Leia's help. Still, Luke as of his prime, whom we are discussing here, would.

Yeah. I should have noted Leia was helping him with the whole Force Harmony thing that allowed them to break Palpatine's control.

This depends on your definition of "sub-light".

For their speed, while this was not shown to be exact, Sidious has moved from roughly half the span of a spaceport (or perhaps more) in the time of a short conversation, though the exact speed isn't shown, just that he "appeared". Although this is off-topic, I do recall Palpatine creating a storm with his mere fury, though he remained calm, at least on the outside.

To be exact, it was the "Bringer of Chaos"/"Entity of Chaos". You know who I'm talking about, from FotJ.

What does your last point have to do with my post?

Morals off (which this battle is), he wouldn't be holding back in terms of speed, and would still possess speed above Black Bolt's capability to react.

Black Bolt can fly at 500 mph for 6 hours, or something. That still isn't enough, really.

I haven't seen him suppress that level of TK.

#49 Posted by Skaddix (3109 posts) - - Show Bio

yeah sublight means nothing anything less then light speed is sublight. Its not defined like supersonic vs hypersonic

#50 Edited by YouFinished (418 posts) - - Show Bio

Black Bolt should win. He should have the speed advantage and only needs a whisper to end it or he could just us electron manipulation.