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#1 Posted by homicidalmaniac (7708 posts) - - Show Bio

Round 1

New 52 Darkseid

No Prep

Morals Off

Bloodlust On

They know each other

Win by KO/Death/BFR

Round 2

Pre N52 Darkseid

No Prep

Morals Off

Bloodlust On

They know each other

Win by KO/Death

Location

Who wins

#2 Posted by New_World_Order (13235 posts) - - Show Bio

Gorr.

#3 Posted by comic_book_fan (5677 posts) - - Show Bio

Darkseid.

#4 Edited by homicidalmaniac (7708 posts) - - Show Bio
#5 Posted by comic_book_fan (5677 posts) - - Show Bio

@homicidalmaniac:

gor might beat current Darkseid but pre 52 Darkseid kills him he is stronger and has way to versatile power set and the omega effect will end this quickly if Darkseid decides to.

#6 Posted by BigCimmerian (8394 posts) - - Show Bio

Gorr destroys pre Flashpoint and current Darkseid together.

#7 Edited by Perethorn (3402 posts) - - Show Bio

Gorr has few showings, but those showings are enough to say that he is too much for the dark lord of Apokolips.

#8 Edited by New_World_Order (13235 posts) - - Show Bio
#9 Edited by comic_book_fan (5677 posts) - - Show Bio

@thundergodswrath:

all of his info compares him to a regular thor he just seems to have a knack for fighting gods.

#10 Posted by Killemall (18598 posts) - - Show Bio

@homicidalmaniac:

gor might beat current Darkseid but pre 52 Darkseid kills him he is stronger and has way to versatile power set and the omega effect will end this quickly if Darkseid decides to.

Ok lets gets the ball rolling :p hehe, i am just gonna play the devil's advocate:

1. Darkseid is stronger based on what? We have seen Darkseid physically match by Superman, we have seen Darkseid himself say Superman physically matches him, and Orion himself has done it on 3 occasions that i know of, he also got outright humbled by Doomsday, why would that so any inherent superiority against Gorr when the guy took on 3 Thors together, one of whom is meant to be a skyfather. Took a lightning that physically hurled him lightyears away in mere moments, yet he didnt get KO. Thor hit him so hard the planet was cracking and he took it with ease.

So why and how is Darkseid physically superior.

2. Darkseid is more versatile, i agree.

3. Omega effect will end this quickly? Based on what? When has Darkseid ever taken down a character of this magnitude. We have seen Superman withstand it on multiple occasions, Orion has done that once as well, so has Highfather, so has Mary Marvel, so has Doomsday, so has new god amped Jimmy Olsen, why would a guy who took on a skyfather and actually beat him despite him having back up, killed Elder Gods, slayed entire pantheons with ease, would struggle against Darkseid?

Also just a tad bit, Gorr isnt your traditional Thor villian, dont judge him based on that. He has thus far outright been the most powerful Thor solo villain (not considering Celestials, Galactus etc as actual Thor villians). I know we have an issue to go, but till now the dude seem outright scary powerful.

#11 Edited by New_World_Order (13235 posts) - - Show Bio

@comic_book_fan said:

@homicidalmaniac:

gor might beat current Darkseid but pre 52 Darkseid kills him he is stronger and has way to versatile power set and the omega effect will end this quickly if Darkseid decides to.

Ok lets gets the ball rolling :p hehe, i am just gonna play the devil's advocate:

1. Darkseid is stronger based on what? We have seen Darkseid physically match by Superman, we have seen Darkseid himself say Superman physically matches him, and Orion himself has done it on 3 occasions that i know of, he also got outright humbled by Doomsday, why would that so any inherent superiority against Gorr when the guy took on 3 Thors together, one of whom is meant to be a skyfather. Took a lightning that physically hurled him lightyears away in mere moments, yet he didnt get KO. Thor hit him so hard the planet was cracking and he took it with ease.

So why and how is Darkseid physically superior.

2. Darkseid is more versatile, i agree.

3. Omega effect will end this quickly? Based on what? When has Darkseid ever taken down a character of this magnitude. We have seen Superman withstand it on multiple occasions, Orion has done that once as well, so has Highfather, so has Mary Marvel, so has Doomsday, so has new god amped Jimmy Olsen, why would a guy who took on a skyfather and actually beat him despite him having back up, killed Elder Gods, slayed entire pantheons with ease, would struggle against Darkseid?

Also just a tad bit, Gorr isnt your traditional Thor villian, dont judge him based on that. He has thus far outright been the most powerful Thor solo villain (not considering Celestials, Galactus etc as actual Thor villians). I know we have an issue to go, but till now the dude seem outright scary powerful.

How about Surtur? Anyways I agree.

#12 Posted by Killemall (18598 posts) - - Show Bio

How about Surtur? Anyways I agree.

I will be totally honestly, i so did not think about Surtur when i wrote that, i was thinking more about regular Thor villians like Mangog, Uroc, Destroyer Armour etc.

Surtur might actually be more powerful, but at least without the twilight sword that becomes debatable. With the Twilight Sword , yeah i'd agree Surtur is more powerful.

Glory might be another one. Dark Gods might also be a close contestants.

But i suppose they are about it.

P.S. Surtur is more like Odin enemy rather than Thor's, as its Odin who more often than not ends up fighting Surtur.

#13 Posted by cfrehse (1004 posts) - - Show Bio

Gorr would own darkseid so far

#14 Edited by ImNemotheGemini (845 posts) - - Show Bio

Another god falls to the darkness that is Gorr !

#15 Posted by dondave (37921 posts) - - Show Bio

Gorr

#16 Posted by New_World_Order (13235 posts) - - Show Bio
#19 Posted by green_skaar (4415 posts) - - Show Bio

Gorr

#20 Posted by Cgoodness (4859 posts) - - Show Bio

Something tells me that Gorr would go bloodlust if he found out who DS is and what he's done....

#21 Posted by dondave (37921 posts) - - Show Bio

Something tells me that Gorr would go bloodlust if he found out who DS is and what he's done....

I think the opposite, Darkseid used to go around killing gods; they'd probably share stories of the gods they've killed.

#22 Posted by Cgoodness (4859 posts) - - Show Bio

@dondave: he's killing more than just gods, Gorr hates gods for being cruel to mortals, and DS is as cruel as they come (he trained orphans to die for him).

#23 Posted by Blackdog2009 (1840 posts) - - Show Bio

@cgoodness: Gorr couldn't even kill a young, inexperienced, Thor, who didn't even have Mjolnir at the time. Gorr killed a whole bunch of nobody gods to hype him up for Thor. DARKSEID wrecks!

#24 Posted by dondave (37921 posts) - - Show Bio

@cgoodness: Gorr couldn't even kill a young, inexperienced, Thor, who didn't even have Mjolnir at the time. Gorr killed a whole bunch of nobody gods to hype him up for Thor. DARKSEID wrecks!

Gorr defeated Thor Force Thor, Current Thor and Young Thor at the same time

#25 Posted by Wolverine08 (42776 posts) - - Show Bio

Gorr kills another god.

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#26 Posted by Blackdog2009 (1840 posts) - - Show Bio

@dondave: no he didn't... Thor still lives. Gorr is all hyperbole, a real good villain for a specific story arc. Darkseid is the man! One of DC's greatest super villains.

#27 Posted by dondave (37921 posts) - - Show Bio

@dondave: no he didn't... Thor still lives. Gorr is all hyperbole, a real good villain for a specific story arc. Darkseid is the man! One of DC's greatest super villains.

Gorr didn't attempt to kill them directly, he defeated them and left them alive.

#28 Posted by Blackdog2009 (1840 posts) - - Show Bio

@dondave: sure! Yea. Look I like Gorr but he doesn't have enough feats on record to be deemed a Darkseid killer. Call me when Gorr kills a god that is 'somebody' in the Marvel universe.

#29 Posted by NorrinBoltagonPrime21 (5947 posts) - - Show Bio

@dondave: no he didn't... Thor still lives. Gorr is all hyperbole, a real good villain for a specific story arc. Darkseid is the man! One of DC's greatest super villains.

There is a difference between defeating and killing.

#30 Edited by patrat18 (9812 posts) - - Show Bio

@killemall: agreed Darkseid still wins tho, but one thing i want to know were was zues,poseidon,hades when gorr was killing the gods? did gorr kill them to because king thor said he was the only god left that wasen't in slavery.

#31 Posted by homicidalmaniac (7708 posts) - - Show Bio

@blackdog2009: One of the Thors that Gorr beat was on Skyfather level and I recall Gorr killed a Elder Of The Universe.

#32 Edited by spiderbuck (2454 posts) - - Show Bio

Gorr.

#33 Posted by Killemall (18598 posts) - - Show Bio

@patrat18: Its Thor series, they only focused on Asgardians, they do that all the time... so yeah Zeus and Hercules where playing patty-cake when that happened.

#34 Posted by dondave (37921 posts) - - Show Bio

@patrat18: Its Thor series, they only focused on Asgardians, they do that all the time... so yeah Zeus and Hercules where playing patty-cake when that happened.

It did focus other gods though, he could have killed them throughout the time between Modern Thor's and Thor Force Thor's time period

#35 Posted by The_Titan_Lord (5818 posts) - - Show Bio

Gorr.

#36 Posted by Cooldes (4120 posts) - - Show Bio

Gorr slays

#37 Posted by Gritterr (491 posts) - - Show Bio

Gorr has few showings, but those showings are enough to say that he is too much for the dark lord of Apokolips.

#38 Posted by Blackdog2009 (1840 posts) - - Show Bio

There is no evidence that Gorr would defeat Darkseid. Darkseid's Omega Beams could erase Gorr from existence, time displace him or even send him to an alternate reality. Hell, Darkseid could even resurrect Gorr after killing him and then kill him again just for fun. Darkseid is not a run of the mill god, some nameless, no backstory shmuck. He is the ruler of Apokolips, has GENIUS LEVEL intelligence is immortal, and has gone toe to toe with Silver Surfer and Galactus in the same day! DARKSEID IS!!

#39 Posted by Lvenger (20220 posts) - - Show Bio

Gorr stomps pretty handily. Someone who can take on an Odin Force Thor who's had thousands of years to learn how to wield it along with a modern Thor (who's a planet busting powerhouse in his own right) and a younger Thor who's pretty powerful is not someone Darkseid can handle. Either in his Pre or Post New 52 incarnations.

#40 Posted by toptom (1181 posts) - - Show Bio

i am not so shure about new 52 darkseid but i think Gorr can defeat pretty easily the pre-52 version of dd.

#41 Posted by Lvenger (20220 posts) - - Show Bio

@toptom: He can beat the New 52 Darkseid easily. Soloing the League is nothing too special. That's all New 52 Darkseid has done, soloed an inexperienced and arguably less powerful version of the League.

#42 Posted by WaveMotionCannon (5460 posts) - - Show Bio

GORR!!!!!

#43 Posted by Moonman78 (1726 posts) - - Show Bio

@blackdog2009:

Not cannon, and in the story he beat surfer but had to back down from big g. Also the ow can't erase people who are near or on DS level

#44 Posted by TifaLockhart (14051 posts) - - Show Bio

I'll tentatively back Gorr, from what I've heard.

#45 Edited by DrunkVader (794 posts) - - Show Bio
#46 Posted by BullPR (1070 posts) - - Show Bio

Gorr (see all the arguments above)

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#47 Posted by Plax (92 posts) - - Show Bio

Gorr for both rounds.

Yes Gorr couldn't beat Young Thor in the beginning, but he grew in power and by the end of the arc, he was showing a lot of power. He took a lot from the Thors, and one of them was a sky father as well as high herald Thor. He had high durability and power to knock all three out. Darkseid is strong but Gorr is out of his league.

#48 Posted by toptom (1181 posts) - - Show Bio

@lvenger: ...maybe you are right about Gorr defeating even pre-52 darkseid,he is really a beast. Still i think that DD defeating the whole league in a single blast was awesome and impressive. For shure they were not koed for a long time...and for shure that blast could not kill even batman...and for shure he couldn't replicate such a feat later in the fight...but ( at least at the beginning) he has koed ALL of them without trying.

However ,yes, Gorr takes both the rounds. I am not too inclined to say he can defeat even the new DD (since we still don't know much about him), but for now he tops him in every way.

#49 Posted by czarny_samael666 (17174 posts) - - Show Bio

Gorr wins this. I don't see Darkseid manipulating whole star, fighting there with 3 other beings who can survive there and win.

#50 Posted by Lvenger (20220 posts) - - Show Bio

@toptom: Yeah Darkseid has started off with better feats but Gorr manipulated an entire freaking star in battle. I don't see how Darkseid can top that.