Goku vs Vegeta and Goku vs Bills

I couldn't find this when I was searching if it has been please link it because I really want to see how the kaioken stacks up to the super saiyan stages he couldn't really use because it pained him too much in his match with pikkon

Goku can use up to Kaioken x4 without the ill effects that cause him to stop it early any higher he will suffer the ill effects

Round 1 Super Kaioken Goku vs Majin Vegeta

Goku can use up to Super Saiyan Kaioken x15 without the ill effects after that he will begin to suffer from them

Round 2 SSJ3 Goku vs Bills (rematch)

I don't get why they didn't use Kaioken in combination with SSJ... Kaioken is a technique after all...

I wondered that too it probably would of solved a lot of problems

goku used kaioken once in filler and it was called super kaioken but that makes little sence since it doesnt say how big of a jump but iv always gone out on a limb and said its simular to super sayain level increace of 50. also if used for a few seconds any level of kaioken doesnt have ill effects. its only when its use is prolonged or extreme kai output.

@zill0678: Well I recall the ill effects being goku only being able to use it for a few moments then almost immediately he was very worn out from using it

Bump

goku used the kaioken the entire fight with frieza which was a very long fight and only when he got fieza to use 50 percent of his power did he show signs of fatige and ill effects from its use. its debatable what level of kiaoken was being used but it still stands that he used it the whole fight up till he used the spirit bomb and afterward became super saiyan.

if you go back to the nappa fight he used it once for a second and suffered no ill effects. he was able to use a x2 with no ill effect with vegeta but since vegeta was slightly stronger still he had to amp it up to x3 witch started damaging his body but not after completly trashing vegeta. only when he used x4 did he over do it and wreck his body which he was still able to use but his fighting skills were still good enough to escape vegeta in ape form for a good whille before having his body crushed.

@uchiha454: @the_legendary_supersaiyan_hulk: gokus body goes through a lot of stress while in kaiokan, one wrong move he could literally explode as stated by himself in the manga. Ssj transformation has 50 times more energy than base goku ,

it's probably too much for him to handle considering he can only push up till 20x kaiokan.

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Not to mention goku had a hard time controlling his ki in each transformation, ssj3 in particular, he says his body couldn't handle it, unlike his sprite body.

@zill0678: I was only referencing his super kaioken

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Thoughts on these match ups?

Round 1 vegeta round 2 goku

1. Goku
2. Bills

Any reasons?

1. Kakarot.

2. Beerus The Destroyer stomps!

Forgot to tag @pope052 what's your thought's on these matchups?

Round 1: Possibly Goku for the slight majority IMO.

Round 2: Lord Bills Stomps.

Goku

If he use kiohken in SSJ 3, the after effect will not be pretty as it may also multiply the stress taken by the body.

For both rounds

Well for Vegeta he can do it up to 4 without the effects and for bills up to 15 without the effects he can go up to 20 but then after said limits he will start to feel them and will either have to quickly defeat his opponent or lose

bump

Goku wins.

both Rounds?

Vegeta and beerus

Fcking right lol

Goku wins the first round because super kaioken times four is obviously times four of super saiyan while super saiyan 2 is times two super saiyan so obviously Goku wins first round

beerus wins the second round because he already trumps ssj blue kaioken times ten

^ immmm....yea thats pretty much it.

beerus literally one shotted Ssj3 goku. to do something like that you need to be an astronomical amount stronger then the person.

the difference is similar to Perfect Cell VS Krillen or Buutenks vs Tien or even final form frieza vs vegeta. so even just using common sense scaling from that.

Base goku > Vegeta

Frieze > base goku.

frieze > kio ken x20 base goku.

so that should let you know that a simple x4 or eve x15 multiplier is not enough for this level of a gap.

^way to bump a year old thread.

SSJ multipliers don't exist, there is no evidence of them existing, and there is consistent, blatent evidence that they do not exist throughout the entire series. Then there is Akira Toriyama admitting SSJ boosts are as strong as he wants them to be, regardless of what supplementary material says. In other words, nothing A.T. didn't say himself can be taken as fact.

Also SSJ Goku dies the instant he uses KK, so he loses here.

goku dies from using kaioken gg

it says without any effects of the kaioken

goku defeats vegeta but any form of goku below ultra instinct loses hard to beerus