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#1 Posted by BloodsunX (616 posts) - - Show Bio

Goku During Saiyan Saga(after King Kai Training) vs Ryu from Street Fighter(All MvC, SFxT, Asura, and other Non Canon Feats can be used)

The Battle takes at the moon

No Prep

Morals are Off

Ryu can use The Satsui No Hado, and Goku can use Kaoiken x1

Note: If this battle is stmp on Goku's Part, i'll make it the Goku for when he fought Radditz.

#2 Edited by XImpossibruX (5171 posts) - - Show Bio

Saiyan Saga Goku could planet bust.

Late DB Goku survived a point blank nuke. This is silly.

#3 Posted by Jayfournines (4024 posts) - - Show Bio

How the hell is Ryu supposed to fight in the moon? He lacks ogyxen. Any fight against Goku involving Ryu is a stomp, DBZ characters are way too powerful for SF characters.

However, if you ask me, Ryu is more skilled than Goku in martial arts.

spite?

#4 Posted by GunGunW (996 posts) - - Show Bio

Even in the Saiyan saga, Goku was far more impressive than Ryu IMO

#5 Posted by The_Lunact_And_Manic (3286 posts) - - Show Bio

@Jayfournines said:

How the hell is Ryu supposed to fight in the moon? He lacks ogyxen.

QFT

#6 Posted by BloodsunX (616 posts) - - Show Bio

@Jayfournines: He did in Asura's Wrath DLC.

#7 Posted by Nefarious (19566 posts) - - Show Bio

They are fighting ON the MOON? 
 
SMFH...

#8 Posted by Jayfournines (4024 posts) - - Show Bio

@BloodsunX said:

@Jayfournines: He did in Asura's Wrath DLC.

that would be HILARIOUSLY non canon

#9 Posted by FourthDeity (2234 posts) - - Show Bio

Kid Goku could take Cannon ryu.

End of DB Goku takes any Ryu

#10 Posted by RedLanternSuperman (348 posts) - - Show Bio

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#11 Posted by TheTrollDance (172 posts) - - Show Bio

@GunGunW said:

Even in the Saiyan saga, Goku was far more impressive than Ryu IMO

Even kid Goku (Dragon Ball's kid Goku, not Dragon Ball GT's) is stronger than Ryu imho.

#12 Posted by nickzambuto (13334 posts) - - Show Bio

Both die from lack of oxygen.

DOUBLE KO!

#13 Posted by Oni_Bane (1582 posts) - - Show Bio

@nickzambuto said:

Both die from lack of oxygen.

DOUBLE KO!

Sayains can breath in space.

#14 Posted by nickzambuto (13334 posts) - - Show Bio

@Oni_Bane said:

@nickzambuto said:

Both die from lack of oxygen.

DOUBLE KO!

Sayains can breath in space.

No one can breath in space. Space lacks oxygen, period, so nobody can breath in space. Not Superman, Thor, Silver Surfer, or Galactus.

#15 Posted by ALMIGHTY (596 posts) - - Show Bio

@nickzambuto said:

@Oni_Bane said:

@nickzambuto said:

Both die from lack of oxygen.

DOUBLE KO!

Sayains can breath in space.

No one can breath in space. Space lacks oxygen, period, so nobody can breath in space. Not Superman, Thor, Silver Surfer, or Galactus.

Sayian's Survive in space... They don't need oxygen... When it comes to space, that's how DBZ works...

Bardock, Trunks, Vegeta, Broly etc... Have all been seen surviving in space for a long period of time without ANY struggle....

Theirs no explanation as to why but... the point is SAYIAN SURVIVE in space...

#16 Posted by heymanjack (716 posts) - - Show Bio

Ryu gon' suck goku's duck after this fight.

#17 Posted by nickzambuto (13334 posts) - - Show Bio

@ALMIGHTY said:

@nickzambuto said:

@Oni_Bane said:

@nickzambuto said:

Both die from lack of oxygen.

DOUBLE KO!

Sayains can breath in space.

No one can breath in space. Space lacks oxygen, period, so nobody can breath in space. Not Superman, Thor, Silver Surfer, or Galactus.

Sayian's Survive in space... They don't need oxygen... When it comes to space, that's how DBZ works...

Bardock, Trunks, Vegeta, Broly etc... Have all been seen surviving in space for a long period of time without ANY struggle....

Theirs no explanation as to why but... the point is SAYIAN SURVIVE in space...

Saiyan's can't breath in space because there's no oxygen. However, they can survive in space because they don't need oxygen. I'm still right in saying they can't breath ;)

#18 Posted by Oni_Bane (1582 posts) - - Show Bio

@ALMIGHTY said:

@nickzambuto said:

@Oni_Bane said:

@nickzambuto said:

Both die from lack of oxygen.

DOUBLE KO!

Sayains can breath in space.

No one can breath in space. Space lacks oxygen, period, so nobody can breath in space. Not Superman, Thor, Silver Surfer, or Galactus.

Sayian's Survive in space... They don't need oxygen... When it comes to space, that's how DBZ works...

Bardock, Trunks, Vegeta, Broly etc... Have all been seen surviving in space for a long period of time without ANY struggle....

Theirs no explanation as to why but... the point is SAYIAN SURVIVE in space...

This.

#19 Posted by ALMIGHTY (596 posts) - - Show Bio

@nickzambuto said:

@ALMIGHTY said:

@nickzambuto said:

@Oni_Bane said:

@nickzambuto said:

Both die from lack of oxygen.

DOUBLE KO!

Sayains can breath in space.

No one can breath in space. Space lacks oxygen, period, so nobody can breath in space. Not Superman, Thor, Silver Surfer, or Galactus.

Sayian's Survive in space... They don't need oxygen... When it comes to space, that's how DBZ works...

Bardock, Trunks, Vegeta, Broly etc... Have all been seen surviving in space for a long period of time without ANY struggle....

Theirs no explanation as to why but... the point is SAYIAN SURVIVE in space...

Saiyan's can't breath in space because there's no oxygen. However, they can survive in space because they don't need oxygen. I'm still right in saying they can't breath ;)

Did I ever say you were wrong ????

#20 Posted by ALMIGHTY (596 posts) - - Show Bio

@nickzambuto: And if you knew they don't need oxygen why did you say "Double KO due to lack of oxygen"....

#21 Posted by IZZR (4289 posts) - - Show Bio
@Jayfournines said:

How the hell is Ryu supposed to fight in the moon? He lacks ogyxen. Any fight against Goku involving Ryu is a stomp, DBZ characters are way too powerful for SF characters.

However, if you ask me, Ryu is more skilled than Goku in martial arts.

@k4tzm4n spite?

I highly doubt that. Goku has been training intensively since he was a toddler and has fought on other worlds not to mention in seclusion in the hyperbolic time chamber and on the space pod with 200x gravity. He has fought the most powerful warriors in the universe whilst Ryu has fought........Sagat -_- and Akuma.....great but not that great cha feel?
#22 Edited by Jayfournines (4024 posts) - - Show Bio

@IZZR said:

@Jayfournines said:

How the hell is Ryu supposed to fight in the moon? He lacks ogyxen. Any fight against Goku involving Ryu is a stomp, DBZ characters are way too powerful for SF characters.

However, if you ask me, Ryu is more skilled than Goku in martial arts.

@k4tzm4n spite?

I highly doubt that. Goku has been training intensively since he was a toddler and has fought on other worlds not to mention in seclusion in the hyperbolic time chamber and on the space pod with 200x gravity. He has fought the most powerful warriors in the universe whilst Ryu has fought........Sagat -_- and Akuma.....great but not that great cha feel?

Yup, but Goku's fighting style consists of whatever Roshi taught him and...that's it. His subsequent training methods have been merely to make him stronger and his ki more powerful, which is the primary method of warring in the DBZ universe. It's not that much about skill (at least later in the series), but about how powerful your ki and ki blasts are...which is actually commendable.

However, if both Ryu and Goku were in the same level physically, Ryu would be the better fighter; he constantly trains and develops his martial art to become a better technical fighter whereas Goku trains to raise his ki levels.

#23 Posted by jwalser3 (4852 posts) - - Show Bio

GOKU CAN STOMP HIM REAL EASY! Omg he moves 100x fatser then speed of light! And is a multiverse buster!!!

#24 Posted by TERMINATORXX (3899 posts) - - Show Bio

Goku

#25 Posted by spawn_123 (1693 posts) - - Show Bio

Goku

#26 Posted by BrolyPotence (4 posts) - - Show Bio

Goku stops to tell Ryu that he expects to have a good fight. He stutters, the shockwave from that stutter completely erases Ryu from existence.

#27 Posted by saiyan_earthling (5437 posts) - - Show Bio

goku still pawns ryu.

#28 Posted by Ancient_0f_Days (11990 posts) - - Show Bio

Saiyans can't survive in space and neither can Ryu .... Freeza said it himself that Goku's kind can't survive in space, Bardock was one of the few that did ... other than that, Goku has not ever been able to survive in space unaided, other wise he wouldn't have needed that space suit when he was on his way to namek ... they both die, Double KO, Epic Fail on OP's Part

#29 Posted by Jayfournines (4024 posts) - - Show Bio

@jwalser3 said:

GOKU CAN STOMP HIM REAL EASY! Omg he moves 100x fatser then speed of light! And is a multiverse buster!!!

Goku's attacks can destroy multiple dimensions?

#30 Posted by IZZR (4289 posts) - - Show Bio

@Jayfournines said:

@jwalser3 said:

GOKU CAN STOMP HIM REAL EASY! Omg he moves 100x fatser then speed of light! And is a multiverse buster!!!

Goku's attacks can destroy multiple dimensions?

This dude is insane, besides he cant beat ryu

#31 Posted by Jayfournines (4024 posts) - - Show Bio

@IZZR: yup, this is spite, Goku is way too much for poor Ryu....especially in the moon.

#32 Posted by Laurcus (1299 posts) - - Show Bio

@Ancient_0f_Days said:

Saiyans can't survive in space and neither can Ryu .... Freeza said it himself that Goku's kind can't survive in space, Bardock was one of the few that did ... other than that, Goku has not ever been able to survive in space unaided, other wise he wouldn't have needed that space suit when he was on his way to namek ... they both die, Double KO, Epic Fail on OP's Part

Frieza isn't exactly an expert on Saiyan anatomy, or a trustworthy person. For that matter, Goku doesn't know anything about Saiyan anatomy either. Goku's actions, which are likely based on ignorance, cannot be cited as proof that Saiyans can't survive in space. The opinions of other Saiyans, that grew up in Saiyan culture, like Bardock and Vegeta, are much more important.

Also, how do you think the Saiyans migrated to Planet Plant in the first place, 1000 years before they gained space flight technology from the Arcosians?

#33 Posted by IZZR (4289 posts) - - Show Bio
@Jayfournines said:

@IZZR: yup, this is spite, Goku is way too much for poor Ryu....especially in the moon.

i know i was playing, kid Goku would beat Ryu, he stands no chance.
#34 Posted by Monarch_Chronicle (904 posts) - - Show Bio

Mismatch

#35 Posted by Ancient_0f_Days (11990 posts) - - Show Bio

@Laurcus said:

@Ancient_0f_Days said:

Saiyans can't survive in space and neither can Ryu .... Freeza said it himself that Goku's kind can't survive in space, Bardock was one of the few that did ... other than that, Goku has not ever been able to survive in space unaided, other wise he wouldn't have needed that space suit when he was on his way to namek ... they both die, Double KO, Epic Fail on OP's Part

Frieza isn't exactly an expert on Saiyan anatomy, or a trustworthy person. For that matter, Goku doesn't know anything about Saiyan anatomy either. Goku's actions, which are likely based on ignorance, cannot be cited as proof that Saiyans can't survive in space. The opinions of other Saiyans, that grew up in Saiyan culture, like Bardock and Vegeta, are much more important.

Also, how do you think the Saiyans migrated to Planet Plant in the first place, 1000 years before they gained space flight technology from the Arcosians?

When was vegeta floating unaided in space ... and neither in manga nor in anime have we seen GOKU himself breathe in space ... without that solid evidence, there is no evidence that GOKU can survive unaided in space since there are statements that say otherwise that were directed toward goku specifically on that very subject ...

#36 Posted by Deranged Midget (17599 posts) - - Show Bio

@Ancient_0f_Days said:

Saiyans can't survive in space and neither can Ryu .... Freeza said it himself that Goku's kind can't survive in space, Bardock was one of the few that did ... other than that, Goku has not ever been able to survive in space unaided, other wise he wouldn't have needed that space suit when he was on his way to namek ... they both die, Double KO, Epic Fail on OP's Part

DBZ is ripe with inconsistency.

Moderator
#37 Posted by Ancient_0f_Days (11990 posts) - - Show Bio

@Deranged Midget said:

DBZ is ripe with inconsistency.

Indeed, this reminds me of when goku power poled to the moon in DB ....

#38 Edited by Laurcus (1299 posts) - - Show Bio

@Ancient_0f_Days said:

@Laurcus said:

@Ancient_0f_Days said:

Saiyans can't survive in space and neither can Ryu .... Freeza said it himself that Goku's kind can't survive in space, Bardock was one of the few that did ... other than that, Goku has not ever been able to survive in space unaided, other wise he wouldn't have needed that space suit when he was on his way to namek ... they both die, Double KO, Epic Fail on OP's Part

Frieza isn't exactly an expert on Saiyan anatomy, or a trustworthy person. For that matter, Goku doesn't know anything about Saiyan anatomy either. Goku's actions, which are likely based on ignorance, cannot be cited as proof that Saiyans can't survive in space. The opinions of other Saiyans, that grew up in Saiyan culture, like Bardock and Vegeta, are much more important.

Also, how do you think the Saiyans migrated to Planet Plant in the first place, 1000 years before they gained space flight technology from the Arcosians?

When was vegeta floating unaided in space ... and neither in manga nor in anime have we seen GOKU himself breathe in space ... without that solid evidence, there is no evidence that GOKU can survive unaided in space since there are statements that say otherwise that were directed toward goku specifically on that very subject ...

Arlia filler. Besides, how else do you explaing Saiyan history. Go ahead, I'm all ears. How did the Saiyans escape the destruction of their original home world, 1000 years before they met the Arcosians?

The only ones that ever say Saiyans can't survive in space are Frieza and King Kai, neither of which know jack about Saiyan anatomy. King Kai didn't even know about Super Saiyans, other than a legend, by contrast, Old Kai knew exactly what a Super Saiyan 4 was when Goku turned into it. I guess that's the difference between being 5k years old and 75 million years old.

#39 Posted by Ancient_0f_Days (11990 posts) - - Show Bio

@Laurcus said:

@Ancient_0f_Days said:

@Laurcus said:

@Ancient_0f_Days said:

Saiyans can't survive in space and neither can Ryu .... Freeza said it himself that Goku's kind can't survive in space, Bardock was one of the few that did ... other than that, Goku has not ever been able to survive in space unaided, other wise he wouldn't have needed that space suit when he was on his way to namek ... they both die, Double KO, Epic Fail on OP's Part

Frieza isn't exactly an expert on Saiyan anatomy, or a trustworthy person. For that matter, Goku doesn't know anything about Saiyan anatomy either. Goku's actions, which are likely based on ignorance, cannot be cited as proof that Saiyans can't survive in space. The opinions of other Saiyans, that grew up in Saiyan culture, like Bardock and Vegeta, are much more important.

Also, how do you think the Saiyans migrated to Planet Plant in the first place, 1000 years before they gained space flight technology from the Arcosians?

When was vegeta floating unaided in space ... and neither in manga nor in anime have we seen GOKU himself breathe in space ... without that solid evidence, there is no evidence that GOKU can survive unaided in space since there are statements that say otherwise that were directed toward goku specifically on that very subject ...

Arlia filler. Besides, how else do you explaing Saiyan history. Go ahead, I'm all ears. How did the Saiyans escape the destruction of their original home world, 1000 years before they met the Arcosians?

The only ones that ever say Saiyans can't survive in space are Frieza and King Kai, neither of which know jack about Saiyan anatomy. King Kai didn't even know about Super Saiyans, other than a legend, by contrast, Old Kai knew exactly what a Super Saiyan 4 was when Goku turned into it. I guess that's the difference between being 5k years old and 75 million years old.

Super Saiyan 4 isn't even canon, no wonder why you think saiyans can survive in space .... don't have to explain how Saiyans got to Planet Plant, like how the show and manga didn't have to explain how kid goku got to the moon on his Power Pole ... PIS (Plot Induced Stupidity) ........... Bottom line, outside of PIS, Goku has NEVER been able to survive in space ..... period.

#40 Edited by Laurcus (1299 posts) - - Show Bio

@Ancient_0f_Days said:

@Laurcus said:

@Ancient_0f_Days said:

@Laurcus said:

@Ancient_0f_Days said:

Saiyans can't survive in space and neither can Ryu .... Freeza said it himself that Goku's kind can't survive in space, Bardock was one of the few that did ... other than that, Goku has not ever been able to survive in space unaided, other wise he wouldn't have needed that space suit when he was on his way to namek ... they both die, Double KO, Epic Fail on OP's Part

Frieza isn't exactly an expert on Saiyan anatomy, or a trustworthy person. For that matter, Goku doesn't know anything about Saiyan anatomy either. Goku's actions, which are likely based on ignorance, cannot be cited as proof that Saiyans can't survive in space. The opinions of other Saiyans, that grew up in Saiyan culture, like Bardock and Vegeta, are much more important.

Also, how do you think the Saiyans migrated to Planet Plant in the first place, 1000 years before they gained space flight technology from the Arcosians?

When was vegeta floating unaided in space ... and neither in manga nor in anime have we seen GOKU himself breathe in space ... without that solid evidence, there is no evidence that GOKU can survive unaided in space since there are statements that say otherwise that were directed toward goku specifically on that very subject ...

Arlia filler. Besides, how else do you explaing Saiyan history. Go ahead, I'm all ears. How did the Saiyans escape the destruction of their original home world, 1000 years before they met the Arcosians?

The only ones that ever say Saiyans can't survive in space are Frieza and King Kai, neither of which know jack about Saiyan anatomy. King Kai didn't even know about Super Saiyans, other than a legend, by contrast, Old Kai knew exactly what a Super Saiyan 4 was when Goku turned into it. I guess that's the difference between being 5k years old and 75 million years old.

Super Saiyan 4 isn't even canon, no wonder why you think saiyans can survive in space .... don't have to explain how Saiyans got to Planet Plant, like how the show and manga didn't have to explain how kid goku got to the moon on his Power Pole ... PIS (Plot Induced Stupidity) ........... Bottom line, outside of PIS, Goku has NEVER been able to survive in space ..... period.

Nice excuse and ad hominem. Goku has never been shown in space without a space suit, so it really goes both ways, he hasn't been shown to be able to survive in space, and he also hasn't been shown to NOT be able to survive in space. Really though, the thing with Boss Rabbit and the moon was a comedy bit from Dragon Ball, not at all comparable to the most important event in Saiyan history, the destruction of their home planet.

And for the record, SS4 is canon imo. Why is SS4 canon? Very simple, Toriyama made it. Anime vs manga vs movies vs GT, none of that means a thing to me. When it comes to authority, the only one that matters is the one that made the franchise, and that's Akira Toriyama. He worked on several parts of GT, and he approves of it, that canonizes the whole thing in my mind.

The only one that has the authority to declare something as non-canon is Toriyama himself. Who the heck are you to speak for him?

#41 Posted by Jayfournines (4024 posts) - - Show Bio

@Laurcus said:

@Ancient_0f_Days said:

@Laurcus said:

@Ancient_0f_Days said:

@Laurcus said:

@Ancient_0f_Days said:

Saiyans can't survive in space and neither can Ryu .... Freeza said it himself that Goku's kind can't survive in space, Bardock was one of the few that did ... other than that, Goku has not ever been able to survive in space unaided, other wise he wouldn't have needed that space suit when he was on his way to namek ... they both die, Double KO, Epic Fail on OP's Part

Frieza isn't exactly an expert on Saiyan anatomy, or a trustworthy person. For that matter, Goku doesn't know anything about Saiyan anatomy either. Goku's actions, which are likely based on ignorance, cannot be cited as proof that Saiyans can't survive in space. The opinions of other Saiyans, that grew up in Saiyan culture, like Bardock and Vegeta, are much more important.

Also, how do you think the Saiyans migrated to Planet Plant in the first place, 1000 years before they gained space flight technology from the Arcosians?

When was vegeta floating unaided in space ... and neither in manga nor in anime have we seen GOKU himself breathe in space ... without that solid evidence, there is no evidence that GOKU can survive unaided in space since there are statements that say otherwise that were directed toward goku specifically on that very subject ...

Arlia filler. Besides, how else do you explaing Saiyan history. Go ahead, I'm all ears. How did the Saiyans escape the destruction of their original home world, 1000 years before they met the Arcosians?

The only ones that ever say Saiyans can't survive in space are Frieza and King Kai, neither of which know jack about Saiyan anatomy. King Kai didn't even know about Super Saiyans, other than a legend, by contrast, Old Kai knew exactly what a Super Saiyan 4 was when Goku turned into it. I guess that's the difference between being 5k years old and 75 million years old.

Super Saiyan 4 isn't even canon, no wonder why you think saiyans can survive in space .... don't have to explain how Saiyans got to Planet Plant, like how the show and manga didn't have to explain how kid goku got to the moon on his Power Pole ... PIS (Plot Induced Stupidity) ........... Bottom line, outside of PIS, Goku has NEVER been able to survive in space ..... period.

Nice excuse and ad hominem. Goku has never been shown in space without a space suit, so it really goes both ways, he hasn't been shown to be able to survive in space, and he also hasn't been shown to NOT be able to survive in space. Really though, the thing with Boss Rabbit and the moon was a comedy bit from Dragon Ball, not at all comparable to the most important event in Saiyan history, the destruction of their home planet.

And for the record, SS4 is canon imo. Why is SS4 canon? Very simple, Toriyama made it. Anime vs manga vs movies vs GT, none of that means a thing to me. When it comes to authority, the only one that matters is the one that made the franchise, and that's Akira Toriyama. He worked on several parts of GT, and he approves of it, that canonizes the whole thing in my mind.

The only one that has the authority to declare something as non-canon is Toriyama himself. Who the heck are you to speak for him?

1) Really? That's your argument? So, if I tell you I can fly you'll believe me? Y'know...cause you've never actually seen me fly.

2) No, no he did not. Toriyama did not make DB GT, he stopped at the end of DBZ, GT was made by the animation company in order to cash in on on Goku (hence why the story is pretty crappy as compared to the rest of the series).

3) He did say it was non canon back in the 90s

#42 Posted by Ancient_0f_Days (11990 posts) - - Show Bio

@Laurcus said:

Nice excuse and ad hominem. Goku has never been shown in space without a space suit, so it really goes both ways, he hasn't been shown to be able to survive in space, and he also hasn't been shown to NOT be able to survive in space. Really though, the thing with Boss Rabbit and the moon was a comedy bit from Dragon Ball, not at all comparable to the most important event in Saiyan history, the destruction of their home planet.

So, if he doesn't need the suit, he's gonna wear it anyway ... so he can survive in space without it cuz he wore it? Yeah ... thats a great explanation there, made BUNCHES of sense. (lol not). And PIS is PIS when it isn't explained. Power Pole to the moon makes as much sense as Saiyans flying through space to get to Planet Plant, especially when both are not explained in any way concerning HOW they got to those places .... Bardock isn't Goku, they don't share the same feats ... besides, Bardock surviving in space came AFTER Goku was in the space suit ....

@Laurcus said:

And for the record, SS4 is canon imo. Why is SS4 canon? Very simple, Toriyama made it. Anime vs manga vs movies vs GT, none of that means a thing to me. When it comes to authority, the only one that matters is the one that made the franchise, and that's Akira Toriyama. He worked on several parts of GT, and he approves of it, that canonizes the whole thing in my mind.

The only one that has the authority to declare something as non-canon is Toriyama himself. Who the heck are you to speak for him?

Akira Toriyama DID NOT make DB GT ... HIS SON made DB GT .... therefore ... it is NON CANON ........ im not surprised you left that little detail out .... whatever, there is nothing canon about GT and so it doesn't apply here at all, if you don't think that matters ... well, good for you, but you have no grounds to speak on if thats the case. Anyway ... your whole argument is INVALID at this point anyway since I just had to debunk a 15-18 year old fact for you ...

GOKU CANNOT SURVIVE IN SPACE, DB GT IS NON CANON. I made it in big words since you seem to ignore the little ones ..

#43 Posted by Ancient_0f_Days (11990 posts) - - Show Bio

@Jayfournines: damn, you beat me to it

#44 Posted by Laurcus (1299 posts) - - Show Bio

@Jayfournines said:

@Laurcus said:

@Ancient_0f_Days said:

@Laurcus said:

@Ancient_0f_Days said:

@Laurcus said:

@Ancient_0f_Days said:

Saiyans can't survive in space and neither can Ryu .... Freeza said it himself that Goku's kind can't survive in space, Bardock was one of the few that did ... other than that, Goku has not ever been able to survive in space unaided, other wise he wouldn't have needed that space suit when he was on his way to namek ... they both die, Double KO, Epic Fail on OP's Part

Frieza isn't exactly an expert on Saiyan anatomy, or a trustworthy person. For that matter, Goku doesn't know anything about Saiyan anatomy either. Goku's actions, which are likely based on ignorance, cannot be cited as proof that Saiyans can't survive in space. The opinions of other Saiyans, that grew up in Saiyan culture, like Bardock and Vegeta, are much more important.

Also, how do you think the Saiyans migrated to Planet Plant in the first place, 1000 years before they gained space flight technology from the Arcosians?

When was vegeta floating unaided in space ... and neither in manga nor in anime have we seen GOKU himself breathe in space ... without that solid evidence, there is no evidence that GOKU can survive unaided in space since there are statements that say otherwise that were directed toward goku specifically on that very subject ...

Arlia filler. Besides, how else do you explaing Saiyan history. Go ahead, I'm all ears. How did the Saiyans escape the destruction of their original home world, 1000 years before they met the Arcosians?

The only ones that ever say Saiyans can't survive in space are Frieza and King Kai, neither of which know jack about Saiyan anatomy. King Kai didn't even know about Super Saiyans, other than a legend, by contrast, Old Kai knew exactly what a Super Saiyan 4 was when Goku turned into it. I guess that's the difference between being 5k years old and 75 million years old.

Super Saiyan 4 isn't even canon, no wonder why you think saiyans can survive in space .... don't have to explain how Saiyans got to Planet Plant, like how the show and manga didn't have to explain how kid goku got to the moon on his Power Pole ... PIS (Plot Induced Stupidity) ........... Bottom line, outside of PIS, Goku has NEVER been able to survive in space ..... period.

Nice excuse and ad hominem. Goku has never been shown in space without a space suit, so it really goes both ways, he hasn't been shown to be able to survive in space, and he also hasn't been shown to NOT be able to survive in space. Really though, the thing with Boss Rabbit and the moon was a comedy bit from Dragon Ball, not at all comparable to the most important event in Saiyan history, the destruction of their home planet.

And for the record, SS4 is canon imo. Why is SS4 canon? Very simple, Toriyama made it. Anime vs manga vs movies vs GT, none of that means a thing to me. When it comes to authority, the only one that matters is the one that made the franchise, and that's Akira Toriyama. He worked on several parts of GT, and he approves of it, that canonizes the whole thing in my mind.

The only one that has the authority to declare something as non-canon is Toriyama himself. Who the heck are you to speak for him?

1) Really? That's your argument? So, if I tell you I can fly you'll believe me? Y'know...cause you've never actually seen me fly.

2) No, no he did not. Toriyama did not make DB GT, he stopped at the end of DBZ, GT was made by the animation company in order to cash in on on Goku (hence why the story is pretty crappy as compared to the rest of the series).

3) He did say it was non canon back in the 90s

1. You first point is a straw man. Broly, Bardock, and Vegeta have all survived in space unaided, and they are the same species as Goku. If you told me you could fly, I would believe you if flight was a common trait of your species.

2 And 3. Quit talking out your butt. http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Dragon_Ball_GT#Toriyama.27s_involvement_and_canon_debate I would love to see a source for Toriyama admitting it's non-canon.

#45 Posted by Jayfournines (4024 posts) - - Show Bio

@Ancient_0f_Days said:

@Jayfournines: damn, you beat me to it

yeah, the insanity got to me

#46 Posted by Laurcus (1299 posts) - - Show Bio

@Ancient_0f_Days said:

@Laurcus said:

Nice excuse and ad hominem. Goku has never been shown in space without a space suit, so it really goes both ways, he hasn't been shown to be able to survive in space, and he also hasn't been shown to NOT be able to survive in space. Really though, the thing with Boss Rabbit and the moon was a comedy bit from Dragon Ball, not at all comparable to the most important event in Saiyan history, the destruction of their home planet.

So, if he doesn't need the suit, he's gonna wear it anyway ... so he can survive in space without it cuz he wore it? Yeah ... thats a great explanation there, made BUNCHES of sense. (lol not). And PIS is PIS when it isn't explained. Power Pole to the moon makes as much sense as Saiyans flying through space to get to Planet Plant, especially when both are not explained in any way concerning HOW they got to those places .... Bardock isn't Goku, they don't share the same feats ... besides, Bardock surviving in space came AFTER Goku was in the space suit ....

@Laurcus said:

And for the record, SS4 is canon imo. Why is SS4 canon? Very simple, Toriyama made it. Anime vs manga vs movies vs GT, none of that means a thing to me. When it comes to authority, the only one that matters is the one that made the franchise, and that's Akira Toriyama. He worked on several parts of GT, and he approves of it, that canonizes the whole thing in my mind.

The only one that has the authority to declare something as non-canon is Toriyama himself. Who the heck are you to speak for him?

Akira Toriyama DID NOT make DB GT ... HIS SON made DB GT .... therefore ... it is NON CANON ........ im not surprised you left that little detail out .... whatever, there is nothing canon about GT and so it doesn't apply here at all, if you don't think that matters ... well, good for you, but you have no grounds to speak on if thats the case. Anyway ... your whole argument is INVALID at this point anyway since I just had to debunk a 15-18 year old fact for you ...

GOKU CANNOT SURVIVE IN SPACE, DB GT IS NON CANON. I made it in big words since you seem to ignore the little ones ..

Goku wearing a space suit means nothing. Suppose for a second that I'm right, (difficult concept I know) why wouldn't Goku use a space suit? He would have no way of knowing that he can survive in space, and no way of testing it. His only information about that would have been second hand.

And once again, nice ad hominem, you're good at that. And stop talking out your butt. Toriyama's son? Lol, never heard that one before. http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Dragon_Ball_GT#Toriyama.27s_involvement_and_canon_debate Want to provide a source, some facts to debunk this?

#47 Posted by Jayfournines (4024 posts) - - Show Bio

@Laurcus said:

@Jayfournines said:

@Laurcus said:

@Ancient_0f_Days said:

@Laurcus said:

@Ancient_0f_Days said:

@Laurcus said:

@Ancient_0f_Days said:

Saiyans can't survive in space and neither can Ryu .... Freeza said it himself that Goku's kind can't survive in space, Bardock was one of the few that did ... other than that, Goku has not ever been able to survive in space unaided, other wise he wouldn't have needed that space suit when he was on his way to namek ... they both die, Double KO, Epic Fail on OP's Part

Frieza isn't exactly an expert on Saiyan anatomy, or a trustworthy person. For that matter, Goku doesn't know anything about Saiyan anatomy either. Goku's actions, which are likely based on ignorance, cannot be cited as proof that Saiyans can't survive in space. The opinions of other Saiyans, that grew up in Saiyan culture, like Bardock and Vegeta, are much more important.

Also, how do you think the Saiyans migrated to Planet Plant in the first place, 1000 years before they gained space flight technology from the Arcosians?

When was vegeta floating unaided in space ... and neither in manga nor in anime have we seen GOKU himself breathe in space ... without that solid evidence, there is no evidence that GOKU can survive unaided in space since there are statements that say otherwise that were directed toward goku specifically on that very subject ...

Arlia filler. Besides, how else do you explaing Saiyan history. Go ahead, I'm all ears. How did the Saiyans escape the destruction of their original home world, 1000 years before they met the Arcosians?

The only ones that ever say Saiyans can't survive in space are Frieza and King Kai, neither of which know jack about Saiyan anatomy. King Kai didn't even know about Super Saiyans, other than a legend, by contrast, Old Kai knew exactly what a Super Saiyan 4 was when Goku turned into it. I guess that's the difference between being 5k years old and 75 million years old.

Super Saiyan 4 isn't even canon, no wonder why you think saiyans can survive in space .... don't have to explain how Saiyans got to Planet Plant, like how the show and manga didn't have to explain how kid goku got to the moon on his Power Pole ... PIS (Plot Induced Stupidity) ........... Bottom line, outside of PIS, Goku has NEVER been able to survive in space ..... period.

Nice excuse and ad hominem. Goku has never been shown in space without a space suit, so it really goes both ways, he hasn't been shown to be able to survive in space, and he also hasn't been shown to NOT be able to survive in space. Really though, the thing with Boss Rabbit and the moon was a comedy bit from Dragon Ball, not at all comparable to the most important event in Saiyan history, the destruction of their home planet.

And for the record, SS4 is canon imo. Why is SS4 canon? Very simple, Toriyama made it. Anime vs manga vs movies vs GT, none of that means a thing to me. When it comes to authority, the only one that matters is the one that made the franchise, and that's Akira Toriyama. He worked on several parts of GT, and he approves of it, that canonizes the whole thing in my mind.

The only one that has the authority to declare something as non-canon is Toriyama himself. Who the heck are you to speak for him?

1) Really? That's your argument? So, if I tell you I can fly you'll believe me? Y'know...cause you've never actually seen me fly.

2) No, no he did not. Toriyama did not make DB GT, he stopped at the end of DBZ, GT was made by the animation company in order to cash in on on Goku (hence why the story is pretty crappy as compared to the rest of the series).

3) He did say it was non canon back in the 90s

1. You first point is a straw man. Broly, Bardock, and Vegeta have all survived in space unaided, and they are the same species as Goku. If you told me you could fly, I would believe you if flight was a common trait of your species.

2 And 3. Quit talking out your butt. http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Dragon_Ball_GT#Toriyama.27s_involvement_and_canon_debate I would love to see a source for Toriyama admitting it's non-canon.

Why? by your logic you don't need proof...remember?

Goku has never been shown in space without a space suit, so it really goes both ways, he hasn't been shown to be able to survive in space, and he also hasn't been shown to NOT be able to survive in space.

Well, just cause I don't show you proof doesn't mean he didn't say it.

/thread.

#48 Posted by Ancient_0f_Days (11990 posts) - - Show Bio

@Laurcus said:

1. You first point is a straw man. Broly, Bardock, and Vegeta have all survived in space unaided, and they are the same species as Goku. If you told me you could fly, I would believe you if flight was a common trait of your species.

2 And 3. Quit talking out your butt. http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Dragon_Ball_GT#Toriyama.27s_involvement_and_canon_debate I would love to see a source for Toriyama admitting it's non-canon.

Broly is a non canon movie character, Bardock happened after Goku used the space suit, and Vegeta was in space unaided in an anime only non canon FILLER EPISODE ......

There is NO MANGA for GT, it is ANIME ONLY, the Manga and one movie (Bardock movie) was made by Toriyama .. THATS IT ... GT Had NOTHING, to do with Toriyama AT ALL ....

you should follow your own advice

#49 Edited by Agent9149 (2894 posts) - - Show Bio

GOku obviously wins this.

#50 Posted by Laurcus (1299 posts) - - Show Bio

@Jayfournines: Now you're being silly, and straw manning again.

Did you even read the link? Saying that you're talking out your butt isn't an ad hominem. I have not attacked you, I have made a claim against your argument. You have showed no proof to counter my claim that manga isn't the only source of canon, and I have backed up my claims with evidence.