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#1 Posted by Garfield (79 posts) - - Show Bio

Namek is the place. GT Goku .Morals: off. Death or any way of winning ftw. Random encounter. Who wins?
 
 
 

  
#2 Posted by UltamitePower (14 posts) - - Show Bio

Goku.

In SSJ3 he could beat Kid Buu who was a Galaxy Buster, in SSJ4 that's 2.5X stronger then SSJ3.

Pyron has never shown feats to contend with Goku

#3 Posted by Garfield (79 posts) - - Show Bio
@UltamitePower: Interesting. 
#4 Posted by nickzambuto (12653 posts) - - Show Bio

I've never heard of Pyron, but he wins. Goku in GT was about 100 times weaker than in Z going by feats.

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#5 Posted by ChaoticSuperman (325 posts) - - Show Bio

Goku, Pyron has never tagged anyone with ++++++FTL Combat speed.

+ Instant Transmission would come in handy.

#6 Posted by ChaoticSuperman (325 posts) - - Show Bio

@nickzambuto said:

I've never heard of Pyron, but he wins. Goku in GT was about 100 times weaker than in Z going by feats.

Goku is immortal at the end of GT....

#7 Posted by TERMINATORXX (3899 posts) - - Show Bio

In Before Lock

#8 Posted by UltamitePower (14 posts) - - Show Bio

@nickzambuto said:

I've never heard of Pyron, but he wins. Goku in GT was about 100 times weaker than in Z going by feats.

GT is a continuation of the Anime DBZ, so we can use DBZ feats, and SSJ4 Power.

#9 Posted by nickzambuto (12653 posts) - - Show Bio

@ChaoticSuperman said:

@nickzambuto said:

I've never heard of Pyron, but he wins. Goku in GT was about 100 times weaker than in Z going by feats.

Goku is immortal at the end of GT....

Goku gets cut by glass and can barely hold up a building in GT. In Z he one shots a mountain pre-Super Saiyan and takes planet busting attacks.

@UltamitePower said:

@nickzambuto said:

I've never heard of Pyron, but he wins. Goku in GT was about 100 times weaker than in Z going by feats.

GT is a continuation of the Anime DBZ, so we can use DBZ feats, and SSJ4 Power.

GT has to many inconsistencies. See above.

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#10 Posted by Chronus (1115 posts) - - Show Bio

@nickzambuto said:

I've never heard of Pyron, but he wins. Goku in GT was about 100 times weaker than in Z going by feats.

Good thing this battle is determined by the actual power of the character rather than feats.

#11 Posted by YoungJustice (6640 posts) - - Show Bio

I was coming in here to expect Comic vs Anime. LOL

#12 Posted by nickzambuto (12653 posts) - - Show Bio

@Chronus said:

@nickzambuto said:

I've never heard of Pyron, but he wins. Goku in GT was about 100 times weaker than in Z going by feats.

Good thing this battle is determined by the actual power of the character rather than feats.

But feats determine power.

@TERMINATORXX said:

In Before Lock

Fail.

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#13 Posted by 7am_Waking_Up_In_The_Morning (3578 posts) - - Show Bio

#14 Posted by UltamitePower (14 posts) - - Show Bio

@nickzambuto said:

@ChaoticSuperman said:

@nickzambuto said:

I've never heard of Pyron, but he wins. Goku in GT was about 100 times weaker than in Z going by feats.

Goku is immortal at the end of GT....

Goku gets cut by glass and can barely hold up a building in GT. In Z he one shots a mountain pre-Super Saiyan and takes planet busting attacks.

@UltamitePower said:

@nickzambuto said:

I've never heard of Pyron, but he wins. Goku in GT was about 100 times weaker than in Z going by feats.

GT is a continuation of the Anime DBZ, so we can use DBZ feats, and SSJ4 Power.

GT has to many inconsistencies. See above.

Where has Goku been cut by glass? Please show me.

And He could barely lift up a building?

He wasn't struggling and we wasn't panting afterwards, we was just yelling, because as we know DBZ is notorious for yelling in epic scenes.

#15 Posted by ChaoticSuperman (325 posts) - - Show Bio

Kid Buu Galaxy busting.

SSJ3 Goku Full power > Kid Buu

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#16 Edited by solesamurai (591 posts) - - Show Bio

Gt goku was alot weaker than Dbz Goku, None of the villians in gt were even Cell level power let alone Buu. Buu was traveling throughout the universe destroying planets looking for goku in vegeta all that happened in the span of maybe 10 minutes, and goku was able to match his speed and strength while in SSJ3. Dbz Goku was so strong he had a Technique that allowed him to move fast enough to travel to different dimensions, In base form he was able to catch mountains and survive planet busting attacks with little injuries. Gt goku wasn't capable of any of these feats even in SSJ4, that being said He probably could still beat pyron.

#17 Posted by redbird3rdboywonder (3808 posts) - - Show Bio

Goku

#18 Posted by jwalser3 (4793 posts) - - Show Bio

@7am_Waking_Up_In_The_Morning said:

What was the point of that?

@TERMINATORXX said:

In Before Lock

#19 Posted by TERMINATORXX (3899 posts) - - Show Bio

@jwalser3 said:

@7am_Waking_Up_In_The_Morning said:

What was the point of that?

@TERMINATORXX said:

In Before Lock

Is that scan even canon? Goku shoving his fist through Superman?

#20 Posted by TERMINATORXX (3899 posts) - - Show Bio

@nickzambuto said:

@Chronus said:

@nickzambuto said:

I've never heard of Pyron, but he wins. Goku in GT was about 100 times weaker than in Z going by feats.

Good thing this battle is determined by the actual power of the character rather than feats.

But feats determine power.

@TERMINATORXX said:

In Before Lock

Fail.

Anime vs Comics are not allowed here so if im a fail...try again...

#21 Posted by CerberusPrime3k (950 posts) - - Show Bio

#22 Edited by Garfield (79 posts) - - Show Bio
@TERMINATORXX:  
 
Pyron is a videogame CHARACTER.
#23 Posted by nickzambuto (12653 posts) - - Show Bio

@TERMINATORXX said:

@nickzambuto said:

@Chronus said:

@nickzambuto said:

I've never heard of Pyron, but he wins. Goku in GT was about 100 times weaker than in Z going by feats.

Good thing this battle is determined by the actual power of the character rather than feats.

But feats determine power.

@TERMINATORXX said:

In Before Lock

Fail.

Anime vs Comics are not allowed here so if im a fail...try again...

I don't see a comic book character here. Just an anime and a video game.

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#24 Posted by ChaoticSuperman (325 posts) - - Show Bio

@CerberusPrime3k: Because Planet Busting is so hard for Goku.....................................

#25 Posted by TERMINATORXX (3899 posts) - - Show Bio

@Garfield said:

@TERMINATORXX: Pyron is a ANIME CHARACTER.

Ok well dont even know him so I didnt know..usually threads involving Goku is him fighting a comic character...

#26 Posted by Garfield (79 posts) - - Show Bio
@TERMINATORXX: I mean videogame character. 
#27 Posted by CerberusPrime3k (950 posts) - - Show Bio

@ChaoticSuperman: I'm just posting feats of Pyron so people who don't know what he's capable of will know

#28 Posted by jwalser3 (4793 posts) - - Show Bio

@ChaoticSuperman:When has he busted a planet? I know people say he COULD but I don't recall it ever happening.

#29 Posted by ChaoticSuperman (325 posts) - - Show Bio

@jwalser3 said:

@ChaoticSuperman:When has he busted a planet? I know people say he COULD but I don't recall it ever happening.

He doesn't ...because Goku wouldn't ya know hes a good guy...

Goku in the Sayain Saga fired a stronger Kamehamha then Vegeta's planet busting Galick Gun.

But heres a scan.

#30 Posted by jwalser3 (4793 posts) - - Show Bio

@ChaoticSuperman:So Goku is a planet buster because people made a assumption on the attack? I mean is Vegeta's Final Flash planet buster lever to? Because Trunks said so, so it's true.

#31 Posted by PerfectNazo (163 posts) - - Show Bio

Goku.

By the end of GT, he should be a Multi-Solar/Star System buster via power-scaling. Possibly a Galaxy buster, but....I'm not sure.

#32 Posted by jwalser3 (4793 posts) - - Show Bio

See that's why I can't stand DBZ logic. He showed nothing on being a Multi-Solar/Star System buster.

#33 Posted by PerfectNazo (163 posts) - - Show Bio

@jwalser3 said:

See that's why I can't stand DBZ logic. He showed nothing on being a Multi-Solar/Star System buster.

Meh, power-scaling.

#34 Posted by CerberusPrime3k (950 posts) - - Show Bio

@jwalser3 said:

@ChaoticSuperman:So Goku is a planet buster because people made a assumption on the attack? I mean is Vegeta's Final Flash planet buster lever to? Because Trunks said so, so it's true.

And that's where the inconsistent Powerscaling comes into play with a mere power level of 139 probably maxed 300 Master Roshi Blew up the moon if thats all it took to blow up the moon what could Goku do by the end of Frieza saga where his powerlevel was well over 15,000,000......

#35 Posted by XImpossibruX (5152 posts) - - Show Bio

@jwalser3 said:

See that's why I can't stand DBZ logic. He showed nothing on being a Multi-Solar/Star System buster.

Come here young one and take a seat.

In Dragonball if character A can destroy a certain object when he possesses a certain amount of ki (powerlevel) then character B can also destroy the same object as long as he has a ki equal to or surpassing character A, regardless of whether or not character B has ever actually destroyed said object.

Now some of you who are unfamiliar with Dragonball and do not understand its power progressions, and as such brand this ABC logic as false or not valid, but I am sorry you are quite wrong. This is the fundamental principle behind Dragonball, and if you refuse to accept it then you are really just wasting your time debating Dragon Ball Z characters.

#36 Posted by XImpossibruX (5152 posts) - - Show Bio

@CerberusPrime3k said:

@jwalser3 said:

@ChaoticSuperman:So Goku is a planet buster because people made a assumption on the attack? I mean is Vegeta's Final Flash planet buster lever to? Because Trunks said so, so it's true.

And that's where the inconsistent Powerscaling comes into play with a mere power level of 139 probably maxed 300 Master Roshi Blew up the moon if thats all it took to blow up the moon what could Goku do by the end of Frieza saga where his powerlevel was well over 15,000,000......

Base form Frieza blew up a planet with his finger.... that's pretty consitant seeing how Piccolo blew up a moon with a PL of 322

#37 Posted by PerfectNazo (163 posts) - - Show Bio

@XImpossibruX: I thought his power level was around Raditz's at that time?

#38 Posted by CerberusPrime3k (950 posts) - - Show Bio

@XImpossibruX: oh it makes since nonetheless but when you add yamcha, Tien, and even Krillin to the scenario do you think that they're planet busters also?

#39 Posted by jwalser3 (4793 posts) - - Show Bio

Were do you all get the power levels from? And, Jesus I go to use the bathroom and come back with 6 messages all about my foolish statement on Goku.

#40 Edited by XImpossibruX (5152 posts) - - Show Bio

@PerfectNazo said:

@XImpossibruX: I thought his power level was around Raditz's at that time?

Piccolo busted a moon when he just sttarted training for Vegeta and Nappa he was still at 300+

@CerberusPrime3k said:

@XImpossibruX: oh it makes since nonetheless but when you add yamcha, Tien, and even Krillin to the scenario do you think that they're planet busters also?

Yup

@jwalser3 said:

Were do you all get the power levels from? And, Jesus I go to use the bathroom and come back with 6 messages all about my foolish statement on Goku.

What is this bathroom you speak of?

#41 Posted by texasdeathmatch (13171 posts) - - Show Bio

Why do some of these Dragon Ball Z scans look so ghetto?

#42 Posted by XImpossibruX (5152 posts) - - Show Bio

@texasdeathmatch said:

Why do some of these Dragon Ball Z scans look so ghetto?

Because the scans are copied from the book and onto the computer.

Trust me the manga has some of the most beautiful artwork and fighting scenes ever.

Akira was an amazing artist.

#43 Posted by texasdeathmatch (13171 posts) - - Show Bio
@XImpossibruX: but even like the font used is terrible. Is that the regular type in the manga?
#44 Posted by XImpossibruX (5152 posts) - - Show Bio

@texasdeathmatch said:

@XImpossibruX: but even like the font used is terrible. Is that the regular type in the manga?

Not even close, copying pictures from the book to the internet depends on the tech used. Some text has to be re written from the book to online as well.

#45 Posted by CerberusPrime3k (950 posts) - - Show Bio

@XImpossibruX: Regardless of power scaling or not through the entire Anime/Manga neither of those three even showed the capability of busting a planet Manga or Anime.

Anime obviously > Manga, No one in the manga are even close or can even fathom a thought of busting a galaxy but due to powerscaling in the Anime Kid buu is a galaxy buster and a full power'd SSj3 would obliterate Kid buu in an instant stated by Vegeta

so that means Goku is a Multi-Galaxy buster in the Anime.

Other then that I accept Goku or any other top tier DBZ'er Multi-planet busters/ Star level due to the recent DBO thing.

#46 Posted by XImpossibruX (5152 posts) - - Show Bio

@CerberusPrime3k said:

@XImpossibruX: Regardless of power scaling or not through the entire Anime/Manga neither of those three even showed the capability of busting a planet Manga or Anime.

Anime obviously > Manga, No one in the manga are even close or can even fathom a thought of busting a galaxy but due to powerscaling in the Anime Kid buu is a galaxy buster and a full power'd SSj3 would obliterate Kid buu in an instant stated by Vegeta

so that means Goku is a Multi-Galaxy buster in the Anime.

Other then that I accept Goku or any other top tier DBZ'er Multi-planet busters/ Star level due to the recent DBO thing.

In the Manga as well they state that Kid Buu is a Galaxy Buster.

#47 Posted by FourthDeity (2234 posts) - - Show Bio

Allrighty. Let me shed some light on this.

Goku getting cut by glass is the ULTIMATE PiS considering he blocked Trunk's blade with his finger.

Goku not being able to move the building doesn't mean anything. Gokus punching power has ALWAYS been far superior to his lifting as seen in the Goku vs King Piccolo.

#48 Posted by ghost_rider1 (3399 posts) - - Show Bio

How are some of u saying dbz goku is stronger than GT Goku??? SSJ4 Goku is alot Stronger than SSJ3 goku. Kid buu from DBZ is basically the same character as Uub in GT. And Uub was nowhere near as powerful as SSJ4 goku.

#49 Posted by XImpossibruX (5152 posts) - - Show Bio

@ghost_rider1 said:

How are some of u saying dbz goku is stronger than GT Goku??? SSJ4 Goku is alot Stronger than SSJ3 goku. Kid buu from DBZ is basically the same character as Uub in GT. And Uub was nowhere near as powerful as SSJ4 goku.

Comicvine seems to think DBZ >>> GT

@FourthDeity said:

Allrighty. Let me shed some light on this.

Goku getting cut by glass is the ULTIMATE PiS considering he blocked Trunk's blade with his finger.

Goku not being able to move the building doesn't mean anything. Gokus punching power has ALWAYS been far superior to his lifting as seen in the Goku vs King Piccolo.

He did move the buildings, with no difficulty.

And he smashes Mountains in base form, so yea Hitting power > Lifting

#50 Posted by cliffrice (1011 posts) - - Show Bio

Has any of the DBZ characters beaten Pure energy creatures. Pyron eats the life force/chi of planets. Not sure if goku could beat him.

From various comics and manga the folowing are the powers of pyron.

Pyron has shown faster than light traveling speed before to consume planets in such short time. He's made of pure energy so he can't be hurt by normal means of attacks and especially not by energy attacks which he can absorb. After assimilating planets into himself he adds them to his own orbital path of 400,000 light - years, basically he controls his own private galaxy. He also has Super strength, speed, durability, flight, shapeshifting, size manipulation, teleportation, energy manipulation, heat generation, cosmic awareness(Was aware that Earth would have strong fighters), energy absorption, matter transmutation, gravity manipulation.