Goku from the end of DB, without super speed, and without energy blasts, vs Luke Cage
Goku vs Luke Cage
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ok well you took away the speed but goku is still perrty srtong and can has spiderman like durabilite so in think goku can do it.
but when did he lift over 20T and in the manga
ok i see but he should have said he could lift well over 40tons.
and the amount of weight they can lift in dbz change like 3 times.
" @Mortein: ok well you took away the speed but goku is still perrty srtong and can has spiderman like durabilite so in think goku can do it. but when did he lift over 20T and in the manga "
If Goku is tall 1.75m then Piccolo who is approximately 7x taller has 12.25m
If normal piccolo has 1.85m and 85kg then big Piccolo has
12.25/1.85=6.621
6.621^3=290.33
290.33x85kg=24 T , the probability of mistake cannot be bigger then 5 T, more or less.
And Goku lifted him and tossed away. Which means this Goku was 20+ T.
plus he can't use his speed OR energy blasts, how're you giving goku the edge? its a one-sided curb stomp
hell he can even kick pre-SSJ DBZ Goku's ass, strengthwise he can completely whoop his arse. (but we're not going there!)
also why did you CUBE the number when you divided his height with gokus?
" @ssjsuperman said:sounds like speculation to me." @Mortein: ok well you took away the speed but goku is still perrty srtong and can has spiderman like durabilite so in think goku can do it. but when did he lift over 20T and in the manga "
If Goku is tall 1.75m then Piccolo who is approximately 7x taller has 12.25m
If normal piccolo has 1.85m and 85kg then big Piccolo has
12.25/1.85=6.621
6.621^3=290.33
290.33x85kg=24 , the probability of mistake cannot be bigger then 5 T, more or less.
And Goku lifted him and tossed away. Which means this Goku was 20+ T.
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LOL if his weight wasn't shifting with his size, then he would became lighter then air. How did he do it I dont know, maybe he was turning energy into mass, maybe magic ect." @Mortein: remember, in kaio's planet with 10x gravity his weight which was 85kg (about 170lbs) was multiplied by ten which makes it 1700 lbs. he was barely able to move. (1 ton=2000lbs) if he was barely to move at less then a ton hows he able to lift over 20 tons? once again your formula is COMPLETE speculation. if piccolo was able to shift his weight how'd he do it? there never was an explanation for it "
He was able to jump this high with extra weight on planet with gravity 10x earths, and that was before he adopted to gravity. In very short time he was able to move normally on kais planet.
My calculation wasn't speculation
volume increases to a third
Besides:
This guy is weaker then Goku:
these are much weaker then goku:
Tao was able to trow a pillar that have more then 100 kg miles away
Goku punching threw walls and metal robots
Goku is much much stronger then these guys:
The gravity was unknown. His length of training is likewise unknown. He could have been training for days in multiple Earth gravity. Also Goku regularly goes around suppressing his mamimum power.
i wonder how it got so mest up it probable do to much filer or or problems with dubbing it in english or maybe because they had two writing taffs well maybe they will fix it with the new drgon ball kai show.
but i still think goku can win this but it will be a hard fight
Pre-dbz gokuwise, he hasn't shown ANY feat you're assuming a higher level of power than hes suppose to have.. hes not lifting 20 tons because he CANT lift 20 tons, if you look at future feats then it screws with the continuity if he COULD lift twenty tons he would have ABSOLUTELY no problem moving around 10, 20 or even 100x earths gravity, as i've stated before. Manga is much different then comics in that generally an author finishes his own work.
Goku can lift mountains by his ki alone. Piccolo, as another example, could lift a pyramid with his ki. Even as a child, the very first time the audience sees him actually, he's able to lift cars. You also need to remember that Z fighters routinely fight and train at reduced power. Frankly, the only time they're actually ever going at full power is when they say they are. Every other time, they're just half assing it.
Then there's the stated power levels which, as stated by canon sources, has a direct correlation to strength. Doubling power level doubles strength. That's stated as well.
@drkcloud said:
I have showed you feats that puts them far above 1T. DBZ characters are always powered down except during intensive fights." @MisterGuyMan: yea but likewise, pre-dbz goku hasn't shown any sort of training feat or actual feat that could match 20 ton plus that would otherwise not fuck up the continuity of the story WHICH is linear (same creator, linear transition) even if he uses 1 ton for a prolonged period of time its 1/25th the power of luke cage's max, ofcourse lets assume that it WAS for a prolonged period of time, hes still DEAD, dead people do not tire, or atleast they recover and prolong a longer period of energy (according to near the end of the buu saga where goku couldn't recover nearly as much as he expected) that also factors into his prolonged training as the dead tires less, or if any at all. king kai probably IS aware that there is gravity and nonetheless created one-two ton weights accordingly. Pre-dbz gokuwise, he hasn't shown ANY feat you're assuming a higher level of power than hes suppose to have.. hes not lifting 20 tons because he CANT lift 20 tons, if you look at future feats then it screws with the continuity if he COULD lift twenty tons he would have ABSOLUTELY no problem moving around 10, 20 or even 100x earths gravity, as i've stated before. Manga is much different then comics in that generally an author finishes his own work. "
And if Piccolos weight wasn't shifting with his size, then he would have became much lighter than air, so yes, he had over 20T and goku lifted him and tossed away.
@MisterGuyMan said:
they even sometimes refer it as fighting strength" @drkcloud said: Goku can lift mountains by his ki alone. Piccolo, as another example, could lift a pyramid with his ki. Even as a child, the very first time the audience sees him actually, he's able to lift cars. You also need to remember that Z fighters routinely fight and train at reduced power. Frankly, the only time they're actually ever going at full power is when they say they are. Every other time, they're just half assing it. Then there's the stated power levels which, as stated by canon sources, has a direct correlation to strength. Doubling power level doubles strength. That's stated as well. "
None of these scans leads me to believe he can life more than a few tons. The most convincing is the one with the large Piccolo but you're guessing at his weight. He could still weight the same as his normal weight for all we know and besides he didn't lift him up all he did was an over the shoulder throw and to do that all he needs to do is shift his weight awkwardly so that he falls.
" None of these scans leads me to believe he can life more than a few tons. The most convincing is the one with the large Piccolo but you're guessing at his weight. He could still weight the same as his normal weight for all we know and besides he didn't lift him up all he did was an over the shoulder throw and to do that all he needs to do is shift his weight awkwardly so that he falls. "Tao tossing pillar more then few miles away means he can lift more then few tons.
again lol, If piccolos weight wants shifting with his size he would be much lighter then air. Do you honestly think that piccolo doesn't have more then 90 Kg?
and to do what goku did is actually much harder to do, then just bench press 20 T
Goku wins this due to reasons already stated:
Mortein has already used maths to show you goku's strength.
It was stated in the cooler movie that ki can be concentrated to a single point, just imagine Master Roshi's moonbusting power in a fist.
Goku is a very skilled martial artist.
@Mortein: What would goku's speed be, you can't just make him slower than Luke cage.
" @Baldy said:Where does it show the pillar landing miles away? We don't even know how much the pillar weights. How do you know what Goku was harder than lifting 20 tons? This is all speculation." None of these scans leads me to believe he can life more than a few tons. The most convincing is the one with the large Piccolo but you're guessing at his weight. He could still weight the same as his normal weight for all we know and besides he didn't lift him up all he did was an over the shoulder throw and to do that all he needs to do is shift his weight awkwardly so that he falls. "Tao tossing pillar more then few miles away means he can lift more then few tons. again lol, If piccolos weight wants shifting with his size he would be much lighter then air. Do you honestly think that piccolo doesn't have more then 90 Kg? and to do what goku did is actually much harder to do, then just bench press 20 T "
Looks like Cage wins this one to me, he wouldn't be able to hit Goku until he tires out but Goku can't hurt him.
@ultimatewarrior123 said:
" Goku wins this due to reasons already stated:
Mortein has already used maths to show you goku's strength.
It was stated in the cooler movie that ki can be concentrated to a single point, just imagine Master Roshi's moonbusting power in a fist.
Goku is a very skilled martial artist.
@Mortein: What would goku's speed be, you can't just make him slower than Luke cage. "
Math based on speculation. Cooler movie isn't canon.
The manga says more than once that the Z fighters can concentrate their ki.
The math is actually based on canon sources. Double the power level, and you double his strength. That's stated in the manga.
@Mortein:
once again his weight is complete speculation, first of all you do NOT know if his weight becomes proportional, you've COMPLETELY ignored my arguements earlier, ASIDE from that and i'm saying this purely just for aesthetic reasons, you do NOT know if his weight is shifted proportionally to the way you've measured it, all of it is SPECULATION.I accept the fact that dragonball characters dont use their full power full time HOWEVER Battle strength is NOT proportional to Actual strength in dbz, to prove it lets use some of that Battle strength->actual strength proportional math you guys love so much.
IN the world tournament saga, goku wasn't able to lift 20 tons until he became Super Saiyan. now this is goku who trained for SEVEN years since cell, so im using a base number of 7 (seeing as how much people powered up people in DBZ could've gotten during that time, i'm HIGHLY underating it as 7 instead of a crazy number like 20-30 since goku was able to level up to both SSJ2 and SSJ3 during that time which infact could've made him 100x stronger) now at CELL, he trained for One year under not only 10x gravity but INTENSE temperature changes both hot and cold, i'm giving that a base number of 3, now once again im underating the amount they could've grown since gohan was able to access SSJ2 from SSJ1.
now REMEMBER these 2 numbers, 7 and 3
when Frieza first fought against vegeta he was around 500,000 when he transformed he Doubled his power into over 1 million. now after that he transformed again ( we can assume he doubled his power yet again) so from 1 million it becomes 2 million and yet he transformed again from 2 million to 4 million. (this was when he was using less then 10% of his full power)
Goku fought against his final form evenly with kaiokenx5, now if frieza's powerlevel were 4 million then gokus would be naturally 4 million divided by 5 based on his kaioken ( yes kaioken PROPORTIONALLY increases his ki based on which numbered kaioken he was using) that would make Goku's natural powerlevel prior to ken to be 800,000 after he recovered from all the damage he took from Ginyu (saiyans get exponentially stronger once they recover) from 100,000ish(stated)->800,000
its reasonable to assume so because Vegeta got healed and went from a powerlevel of approximately 45,000(compared to zarbon and recoom) to approximately 1 million(matching Frieza's first form) after dende's heal that is 2 heals,
if you divide 1 million by 45,000 you get 24ish. divide that by 2 or 3(*if you count his powerup directly after fighting captain ginyu) you get about 8-12 time stronger after each heal. which coincides with the amount goku got stronger after ginyu's fight
so remember that number 800,000? multiply that by 3 and 7 what'd you get? about 16,800,000. (yes goku's regular AND super saiyan's ki gets stronger not just super saiyan's ki otherwise he would never train outside of being super saiyan.)
now raditz said that goku's ki was 400ish->800ish(after doing a kamehameha) so divide 16,800,000by 800, you get 21000. so goku was 21000 times stronger then he was at near beginning of DBZ and PRE-DBZ. and yet he couldn't lift 20 tons.....does that tell you that your formula is completely FUCKED and skewed? obviously power levels mean absolutely NOTHING in DBZ hence why they removed it after Frieza saga. (they brought back a different version of battle power which they called killi which was once again discontinued)
now using REVERSE logic if he was able to lift 20 tons at Pre-DBZ level /beginning of dbz level that means he can lift 20tons X21000 which makes it 410000 tons at World saga level. Let me remind you that this logic has not included SSJ or SSJ 3 into the logic which would raise it by approximately 100 times what his normal strength is, which would make it to 41million tons....still convinced your battle power means jack?
~my Arguement still stands, IF 7 years(cell->world tournament saga) X 1 year(1 day in hyperbolic time chamber) X 3 years (from trunks saga->android saga)X all the other years that he has trained(approximately 6-7ish) after DB story line and he STILL can't lift 20 tons in normal form at the beginning of World tournament saga no way in HELL can he do it DB.....he can't come CLOSE to it based on the continuity of the story. LET ME REMIND YOU DBZ IS CANON
" The manga says more than once that the Z fighters can concentrate their ki. The math is actually based on canon sources. Double the power level, and you double his strength. That's stated in the manga. "Show where battle strength is equal to physical strength.
" @Push said:" Goku is well above Cage. You'd need to go much, much higher than Cage for Goku! "Citation needed. "
You'd need to have alot more going for ya than just invulnerability/hard to take on let alone defeat Goku! Again, Cage goes done, and not that hard for Goku in the end!
" @Baldy said:Cage is tougher and stronger, Goku only has him in speed." @Push said:You'd need to have alot more going for ya than just invulnerability/hard to take on let alone defeat Goku! Again, Cage goes done, and not that hard for Goku in the end! "" Goku is well above Cage. You'd need to go much, much higher than Cage for Goku! "Citation needed. "
@drkcloud:
Why wouldn't it became propositional? I have proven his weight increased, and it would be logical that it increased proportionally. Besides even the floor under him started crushing once he shift his size for second timeonce again his weight is complete speculation, first of all you do NOT know if his weight becomes proportional, you've COMPLETELY ignored my arguements earlier, ASIDE from that and i'm saying this purely just for aesthetic reasons, you do NOT know if his weight is shifted proportionally to the way you've measured it, all of it is SPECULATION.
I assume you are talking about when he struggled with 10T (or maybe even 40T) on each limb.I accept the fact that dragonball characters dont use their full power full time HOWEVER Battle strength is NOT proportional to Actual strength in dbz, to prove it lets use some of that Battle strength->actual strength proportional math you guys love so much.
IN the world tournament saga, goku wasn't able to lift 20 tons until he became Super Saiyan. now this is goku who trained for SEVEN years since cell, so im using a base number of 7 (seeing as how much people powered up people in DBZ could've gotten during that time, i'm HIGHLY underating it as 7 instead of a crazy number like 20-30 since goku was able to level up to both SSJ2 and SSJ3 during that time which infact could've made him 100x stronger) now at CELL, he trained for One year under not only 10x gravity but INTENSE temperature changes both hot and cold, i'm giving that a base number of 3, now once again im underating the amount they could've grown since gohan was able to access SSJ2 from SSJ1.
I dont except that feat because
We do not know the gravity of a planet goku was on. Since Goku used that planet for training it is logical to assume how that planet had gravity much bigger than earth. Of course, that would be speculation, but even bigger speculation would be to say how some random unknown planet in some other dimension has the same gravity as earth.
Goku obviously was powered down when he struggled with 40 T. DBZ characters are always powered down, except during intensive fights. We do not know what gokus power level was, but it probably was around 5000(speculation). After he powered up, moving with 40T in super speed, was peace of cake, to easy, so he obviously powered up to much.
So since we do not know the gravity of a planet, nor do we know how much powered down goku was, that feat tell us nothing more than that goku at power level 15 000 000+ , on a planet with unknown gravity can easily move in super speed with 10T (or maybe even 40T) on each limb, so basically that feat tells us nothing.
" @drkcloud:More speculation. It doesn't matter what happened in DBZ this is DB Goku.Why wouldn't it became propositional? I have proven his weight increased, and it would be logical that it increased proportionally. Besides even the floor under him started crushing once he shift his size for second timeonce again his weight is complete speculation, first of all you do NOT know if his weight becomes proportional, you've COMPLETELY ignored my arguements earlier, ASIDE from that and i'm saying this purely just for aesthetic reasons, you do NOT know if his weight is shifted proportionally to the way you've measured it, all of it is SPECULATION.
I assume you are talking about when he struggled with 10T (or maybe even 40T) on each limb.I accept the fact that dragonball characters dont use their full power full time HOWEVER Battle strength is NOT proportional to Actual strength in dbz, to prove it lets use some of that Battle strength->actual strength proportional math you guys love so much.
IN the world tournament saga, goku wasn't able to lift 20 tons until he became Super Saiyan. now this is goku who trained for SEVEN years since cell, so im using a base number of 7 (seeing as how much people powered up people in DBZ could've gotten during that time, i'm HIGHLY underating it as 7 instead of a crazy number like 20-30 since goku was able to level up to both SSJ2 and SSJ3 during that time which infact could've made him 100x stronger) now at CELL, he trained for One year under not only 10x gravity but INTENSE temperature changes both hot and cold, i'm giving that a base number of 3, now once again im underating the amount they could've grown since gohan was able to access SSJ2 from SSJ1.
I dont except that feat because
We do not know the gravity of a planet goku was on. Since Goku used that planet for training it is logical to assume how that planet had gravity much bigger than earth. Of course, that would be speculation, but even bigger speculation would be to say how some random unknown planet in some other dimension has the same gravity as earth.
Goku obviously was powered down when he struggled with 40 T. DBZ characters are always powered down, except during intensive fights. We do not know what gokus power level was, but it probably was around 5000(speculation). After he powered up, moving with 40T in super speed, was peace of cake, to easy, so he obviously powered up to much.
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" @drkcloud:regarding the planet's gravity, while i also believe there must've been a higher gravity then earth's it was never mentioned thereafter, so all im going by is the number which they gave out which was 1 ton, 10 ton, etc. even if say it weighed about 100 tons,1000tons, 10000 tons, or even 100000 tons, goku was hypothetically 21000 times stronger then he was in the beginning of DBZ (which was STILL slightly stronger then DB goku) and considering how Powerlevels supposedly is proportional to actual strength hes suppose to be 21000 times stronger. (1000x gravity which would make the weights 100000 (10 tons)tons would still give goku a 5 ton strength level at best and that is assuming the ABSOLUTE best for goku considering that the planet would NO WAY be 1000x gravity or even 100x gravity since all the fighters in the afterworld tournament (the strongest contenders were picked to participate) were all Excessively weak save for pikkon. that being said even the plot device characters and a million year+ worth of characters from all over the universe to train there and most of them did not even make it to the tournament and still trained on that planet which would undoubtably lead me to believe that the gravity is well below 100x gravity.Why wouldn't it became propositional? I have proven his weight increased, and it would be logical that it increased proportionally. Besides even the floor under him started crushing once he shift his size for second timeonce again his weight is complete speculation, first of all you do NOT know if his weight becomes proportional, you've COMPLETELY ignored my arguements earlier, ASIDE from that and i'm saying this purely just for aesthetic reasons, you do NOT know if his weight is shifted proportionally to the way you've measured it, all of it is SPECULATION.
I assume you are talking about when he struggled with 10T (or maybe even 40T) on each limb.I accept the fact that dragonball characters dont use their full power full time HOWEVER Battle strength is NOT proportional to Actual strength in dbz, to prove it lets use some of that Battle strength->actual strength proportional math you guys love so much.
IN the world tournament saga, goku wasn't able to lift 20 tons until he became Super Saiyan. now this is goku who trained for SEVEN years since cell, so im using a base number of 7 (seeing as how much people powered up people in DBZ could've gotten during that time, i'm HIGHLY underating it as 7 instead of a crazy number like 20-30 since goku was able to level up to both SSJ2 and SSJ3 during that time which infact could've made him 100x stronger) now at CELL, he trained for One year under not only 10x gravity but INTENSE temperature changes both hot and cold, i'm giving that a base number of 3, now once again im underating the amount they could've grown since gohan was able to access SSJ2 from SSJ1.
I dont except that feat because
We do not know the gravity of a planet goku was on. Since Goku used that planet for training it is logical to assume how that planet had gravity much bigger than earth. Of course, that would be speculation, but even bigger speculation would be to say how some random unknown planet in some other dimension has the same gravity as earth.
Goku obviously was powered down when he struggled with 40 T. DBZ characters are always powered down, except during intensive fights. We do not know what gokus power level was, but it probably was around 5000(speculation). After he powered up, moving with 40T in super speed, was peace of cake, to easy, so he obviously powered up to much.
So since we do not know the gravity of a planet, nor do we know how much powered down goku was, that feat tell us nothing more than that goku at power level 15 000 000+ , on a planet with unknown gravity can easily move in super speed with 10T (or maybe even 40T) on each limb, so basically that feat tells us nothing.
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~once again my numbers are complete speculation based on the power levels they used in the beginning of DBZ, Frieza saga's proportional strength augmentation, power augmentation of vegeta (8-10 times stronger after each heal) Frieza's strength (form 1 was 1 million) and the assumption that transformations(frieza form 2 and 3+50% and 100% power of the last form) and SSJs increase their powers exponentially (orally said in anime) that being said, feel free to bring your own power level interpretations.
on an interesting storyline related note, seems that the whole healing=8x powerup was drastically lowered post frieza saga (save specifically for the cell fight)
All that feat is telling us is that goku on a planet with unknown gravity, while being powered down to unknown level, struggled with 40 T. Then he powered up, still not to his full power, and easily moved in super speed." @Mortein said:
regarding the planet's gravity, while i also believe there must've been a higher gravity then earth's it was never mentioned thereafter, so all im going by is the number which they gave out which was 1 ton, 10 ton, etc. even if say it weighed about 100 tons,1000tons, 10000 tons, or even 100000 tons, goku was hypothetically 21000 times stronger then he was in the beginning of DBZ (which was STILL slightly stronger then DB goku) and considering how Powerlevels supposedly is proportional to actual strength hes suppose to be 21000 times stronger. (1000x gravity which would make the weights 100000 (10 tons)tons would still give goku a 5 ton strength level at best and that is assuming the ABSOLUTE best for goku considering that the planet would NO WAY be 1000x gravity or even 100x gravity since all the fighters in the afterworld tournament (the strongest contenders were picked to participate) were all Excessively weak save for pikkon. that being said even the plot device characters and a million year+ worth of characters from all over the universe to train there and most of them did not even make it to the tournament and still trained on that planet which would undoubtably lead me to believe that the gravity is well below 100x gravity. ~once again my numbers are complete speculation based on the power levels they used in the beginning of DBZ, Frieza saga's proportional strength augmentation, power augmentation of vegeta (8-10 times stronger after each heal) Frieza's strength (form 1 was 1 million) and the assumption that transformations(frieza form 2 and 3+50% and 100% power of the last form) and SSJs increase their powers exponentially (orally said in anime) that being said, feel free to bring your own power level interpretations. on an interesting storyline related note, seems that the whole healing=8x powerup was drastically lowered post frieza saga (save specifically for the cell fight) "" @drkcloud:
Why wouldn't it became propositional? I have proven his weight increased, and it would be logical that it increased proportionally. Besides even the floor under him started crushing once he shift his size for second timeonce again his weight is complete speculation, first of all you do NOT know if his weight becomes proportional, you've COMPLETELY ignored my arguements earlier, ASIDE from that and i'm saying this purely just for aesthetic reasons, you do NOT know if his weight is shifted proportionally to the way you've measured it, all of it is SPECULATION.
I assume you are talking about when he struggled with 10T (or maybe even 40T) on each limb.I accept the fact that dragonball characters dont use their full power full time HOWEVER Battle strength is NOT proportional to Actual strength in dbz, to prove it lets use some of that Battle strength->actual strength proportional math you guys love so much.
IN the world tournament saga, goku wasn't able to lift 20 tons until he became Super Saiyan. now this is goku who trained for SEVEN years since cell, so im using a base number of 7 (seeing as how much people powered up people in DBZ could've gotten during that time, i'm HIGHLY underating it as 7 instead of a crazy number like 20-30 since goku was able to level up to both SSJ2 and SSJ3 during that time which infact could've made him 100x stronger) now at CELL, he trained for One year under not only 10x gravity but INTENSE temperature changes both hot and cold, i'm giving that a base number of 3, now once again im underating the amount they could've grown since gohan was able to access SSJ2 from SSJ1.
I dont except that feat because
We do not know the gravity of a planet goku was on. Since Goku used that planet for training it is logical to assume how that planet had gravity much bigger than earth. Of course, that would be speculation, but even bigger speculation would be to say how some random unknown planet in some other dimension has the same gravity as earth.
Goku obviously was powered down when he struggled with 40 T. DBZ characters are always powered down, except during intensive fights. We do not know what gokus power level was, but it probably was around 5000(speculation). After he powered up, moving with 40T in super speed, was peace of cake, to easy, so he obviously powered up to much.
So since we do not know the gravity of a planet, nor do we know how much powered down goku was, that feat tell us nothing more than that goku at power level 15 000 000+ , on a planet with unknown gravity can easily move in super speed with 10T (or maybe even 40T) on each limb, so basically that feat tells us nothing.
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So unless you have a way to tell me what was the gravity of a planet, and how much powered down goku was, this feat is useless.
All the fighters in the afterworld tournament including Pikkon were fillers. And Kais are well adopted to living in high gravity.
So it is possible that the gravity is bigger then 100x.
Powers according to his marvelwiki page
Cage is superhumanly strong, able to lift/press approximately 25 tons and punch through barriers as thick as four-inch steel plate. His skin is steel-hard and his muscles and bone tissue super-dense; he can withstand conventional handgun fire at a range of four feet and cannot be cut by the sharpest of blades, although in the event of required surgery his skin can be lacerated by an overpowered medical laser. He can withstand up to one-ton impacts or blasts of 150 pounds of TNT without serious injury, and is impervious to temperature extremes and electrical shocks. His recovery time from injury or trauma is usually one-third that of an ordinary human.
Goku is only annoyed by bullets to the face. And walks away with just a lump after an axe is broken over his head. And he can survive nuclear like explosions that takes out cities with barely a scratch.
Abilities
Cage is a self-taught hand-to-hand combatant with years of street fighting experience; he is also a superb athlete despite his great height and weight.
goku is able to dodge bullets from automatic machine guns as a kid and was trained by some of the worlds greatest martial artist. Mr popo one of the people who trained him was faster than lightning and in turn taught goku to move faster than lightning.
i knew coming here that people would under estimate goku and all dbz charecters for that matter. But i didnt think they would underestimate them this much
Goku would destroy cage ki blast or no ki blast
@BROLYJUGGY:
IS DAT WITH SARCASM OR NO!?
i did not read that actually.
But goku still wins, so....
Goku can generate more than a ton of pressure, which is how much it takes to hurt luke (so i've heard) Goku too has been shot and stabbed at and have it not affect him. But luke cant take a nuke like explosion dead center like goku could. Goku would destroy luke with his martil arts. So goku wins
@Mortein:
the Kai's planet was 10x gravity, and he commented how it was the same as planet vegeta, and yet he was WEAKER then the saiyans, since there is a HUGE correlation with training/living in a high gravity environment and being EXTREMELY strong (goku-a weekish ? in a 10-100x gravity) we can easily assume that it can not possibly be 100x gravity, most likely 10-20x gravity. Considering that north kai didn't mention anything about the strain or anything i believe the afterworld planet's gravity is a non-issue and possibly the same as the kai planet's gravity. once again if you wanna use a power comparison between then and DB use my formula (tweak it up if you feel like it as long as it makes sense)
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