Ghost Rider (Zarathos), Sentry & WB Hulk vs Justice League

Bench pressing something gives no indications of your striking power, it can be helpful for grappling but it is irrelevant here. :)))

Blue Marvels punch was just kinetic energy and not an anti-matter punch. Nowhere was it stated that Sentry was weakend by being in Blue Marvels vicinity. He got legitimately KOed and Supes probably hits harder than Blue Marvel.

Based on your preferences ?????

Sentry gets beat down easily by Superman yes. I am typing not talking.

Around the Vine we don't assume , we base things on facts. So unless you got some impressive New superman 52 striking feats. He loses badly. Plus BM creator even said BM is not big boy league yet.

Creator statements > fans statements.

@street_level_hero: you are typing nonsense then. Feats wise Nu 52 superman got nothing on Stable sentry.....

Bench pressing does indeed give indications of striking power especially when the character has super speed. Strength feats and super-strength equate to powerful punches and always have in comics.

Add 100lbs to your max bench and you will hit much harder.

Preferences? What the heck are you referring to? perhaps you should look up the definition of preference. If you are assuming that I like supes better you are worn. I prefer Blue Marvels Character much more and think Supes is lame.

LOL@around the vine. Strength feats equate to how hard a character can strike. as i said, superhumanly strong characters hit harder because they are stronger. Fact.

Sentry gets floored easily.

Blue Marvels creator said that the character can sit at the table with the big league characters and Blue Marvel's feats have already transcended what the creator envisioned an he has more power than when created just as Hulk is more powerful than when he was created..

On-panel feats > creator comments.

Show me a Sentry strength feat that trumps new 52 Supermans =Superman has strength on sentry at least and so your comment about him having nothing on sentry is wrong. He has a greater combat speed feat as well iirc. You are the one typing nonsense^^^

Sentry shred worlds aparts while holding back.

@street_level_hero: Still waiting for Nu Superman impressive Striking Feats.

You better go dust of those new 52 comics because All I see out of you is state mates.

@sophisticated_ignorance: I don't even get the "Sentry is stable minded". If we go by current versions, and that's the standard, his mental flaws have been removed.

Sentry or Void?

@jestersmiles said:

@street_level_hero: Still waiting for Nu Superman impressive Striking Feats.

You better go dust of those new 52 comics because All I see out of you is state mates.

Still waiting for a Sentry Strength feat that trumps New 52 Superman.

What the heck are state mates?

@street_level_hero: They are the same character.

They are different incarnations of the same character. The OP does not state that it is Void Sentry but rather sentry with a stable mind. Nice try but it is a fail.

Current Sentry is death seed sentry lol...before Thor killed him he was unstable...

Wrong. It is the same character using his powers in different ways.

Moreover a stable Sentry fought Genis-Vell and destroyed worlds while holding back.

Current Sentry is Bob Reynolds. :)

You can call him Death Seed if you want.

Bob let Thor kill him, he wanted to die.

Otherwise Asgard burned and everybody gets killed, even with the Norn Stones.

@realitywarper said:

@street_level_hero said:

@realitywarper said:

@street_level_hero: They are the same character.

They are different incarnations of the same character. The OP does not state that it is Void Sentry but rather sentry with a stable mind. Nice try but it is a fail.

Wrong. It is the same character using his powers in different ways.

Moreover a stable Sentry fought Genis-Vell and destroyed worlds while holding back.

Wrong: It is a different incarnation of the same character.

in·car·na·tion

noun \ˌin-(ˌ)kär-ˈnā-shən\

3 : a particular physical form or state

Also hyperbole is not a feat.

hy·per·bo·le

noun \hī-ˈpər-bə-(ˌ)lē\

: language that describes something as better or worse than it really is

You need to read that scan more slowly and carefully :D (friendly smile not a snarky one). They did not destroy any worlds in that scan even though it stated (Hyperbolically) that they "spit out enough power to shred worlds" and Cap "knows that they are holding back" The power they "spit out" only collapsed a mesa.

@street_level_hero said:

@realitywarper said:

@street_level_hero said:

@realitywarper said:

@street_level_hero: They are the same character.

They are different incarnations of the same character. The OP does not state that it is Void Sentry but rather sentry with a stable mind. Nice try but it is a fail.

Wrong. It is the same character using his powers in different ways.

Moreover a stable Sentry fought Genis-Vell and destroyed worlds while holding back.

Wrong: It is different incarnation of the same character. Hyperbole is not a feat. All they did was collapse a Mesa. You need to read that scan more slowly and carefully :D (friendly smile not a snarky one). They did not destroy any worlds in that scan.

in·car·na·tion

noun \ˌin-(ˌ)kär-ˈnā-shən\

3 : a particular physical form or state

Also hyperbole is not a feat.

hy·per·bo·le

noun \hī-ˈpər-bə-(ˌ)lē\

: language that describes something as better or worse than it really is

All they did was collapse a Mesa. You need to read that scan more slowly and carefully :D (friendly smile not a snarky one). They did not destroy any worlds in that scan even though it stated (Hyperbolically) that they "spit out enough power to shred worlds" and Cap "knows that they are holding back" The power they "spit out" only collapsed a mesa.

It is not another incarnation, it is the way he uses his reality warping powers.

It is not an hyperbole, it is the words of the narrators. The Sentry and Genis-Vell are actually THAT POWERFUL.

That's the reason why Bob ask Genis to teleport them somewhere, to avoid to destroy everything.

Nice that you show me the definition of words that you don't understand because you use them in an inappropriate way. :))))

@realitywarper said:

@street_level_hero said:

@realitywarper said:

@street_level_hero said:

@realitywarper said:

@street_level_hero: They are the same character.

They are different incarnations of the same character. The OP does not state that it is Void Sentry but rather sentry with a stable mind. Nice try but it is a fail.

Wrong. It is the same character using his powers in different ways.

Moreover a stable Sentry fought Genis-Vell and destroyed worlds while holding back.

Wrong: It is different incarnation of the same character. Hyperbole is not a feat. All they did was collapse a Mesa. You need to read that scan more slowly and carefully :D (friendly smile not a snarky one). They did not destroy any worlds in that scan.

in·car·na·tion

noun \ˌin-(ˌ)kär-ˈnā-shən\

3 : a particular physical form or state

Also hyperbole is not a feat.

hy·per·bo·le

noun \hī-ˈpər-bə-(ˌ)lē\

: language that describes something as better or worse than it really is

All they did was collapse a Mesa. You need to read that scan more slowly and carefully :D (friendly smile not a snarky one). They did not destroy any worlds in that scan even though it stated (Hyperbolically) that they "spit out enough power to shred worlds" and Cap "knows that they are holding back" The power they "spit out" only collapsed a mesa.

It is not another incarnation, it is the way he uses his reality warping powers.

It is not an hyperbole, it is the words of the narrators. The Sentry and Genis-Vell are actually THAT POWERFUL.

That's the reason why Bob ask Genis to teleport them somewhere, to avoid to destroy everything.

Nice that you show me the definition of words that you don't understand because you use them in an inappropriate way. :))))

Void is another incarnation (form) of sentry

It is Hyperbole. You simply misread and misquoted the scan: you incorrectly stated that they destroyed worlds while holding back. They didn't: the narrator said that they spit out enough power "to shred entire worlds" he never said that they did destroy entire worlds. You just read it incorrectly and did not comprehend it.

Also the correct usage is "it is not hyperbole" not "it is not an hyperbole". Just a fyi.

I understand the terms incarnation and hyperbole and used them correctly. it is you who is having difficulty understanding them apparently and also you are having problems understanding what the scan states. Void is indeed an incarnation of Sentry and the words by the narrator are the epitome of hyperbole. You are just having problems with reading comprehension and grasping concepts.

@street_level_hero said:

@realitywarper said:

Void is another incarnation (form) of sentry

It is Hyperbole. You simply misread and misquoted the scan: you incorrectly stated that they destroyed worlds while holding back. They didn't: the narrator said that they spit out enough power "to shred entire worlds" he never said that they did destroy entire worlds. You just read it incorrectly and did not comprehend it.

I understand the terms incarnation and hyperbole and used them correctly. it is you who is having difficulty understanding them apparently and also you are having problems understanding what the scan states. Void is indeed an incarnation of Sentry and the words by the narrator are the epitome of hyperbole. You are just having problems with reading comprehension and grasping concepts.

You miss the point :

I agreethat I took a shortway saying they did destroy entire worlds but the scan clearly shows that they can so it actually doesn't matter if they did it or not.

They spit enough energy to do it. Superman can't. Nor any guys on the justice league. :)

The narrator don't make an hyperbole, he simply show their power level.

Void isn't another character : there is only one character, he uses his powers in different ways.

Hulk is another incarnation of Banner.

Zarathos is another incarnation of Johnny Blaze.

Void or Sentry are just Bob shaping reality.

Or to say it in a different way :

Banner is not The Hulk.

Johnny Blaze isn't Zarathos.

Robert Reynolds is The Sentry and The Void.

I would be glad if you avoid to judge my understanding skills and my capacity to grasp concepts when you lacks knowledge about the characters.

Thanks. :)

@realitywarper said:

@street_level_hero said:

@realitywarper said:

Void is another incarnation (form) of sentry

It is Hyperbole. You simply misread and misquoted the scan: you incorrectly stated that they destroyed worlds while holding back. They didn't: the narrator said that they spit out enough power "to shred entire worlds" he never said that they did destroy entire worlds. You just read it incorrectly and did not comprehend it.

I understand the terms incarnation and hyperbole and used them correctly. it is you who is having difficulty understanding them apparently and also you are having problems understanding what the scan states. Void is indeed an incarnation of Sentry and the words by the narrator are the epitome of hyperbole. You are just having problems with reading comprehension and grasping concepts.

You miss the point :

I agreethat I took a shortway saying they did destroy entire worlds but the scan clearly shows that they can so it actually doesn't matter if they did it or not.

They spit enough energy to do it. Superman can't. Nor any guys on the justice league. :)

The narrator don't make an hyperbole, he simply show their power level.

Void isn't another character : there is only one character, he uses his powers in different ways.

Hulk is another incarnation of Banner.

Zarathos is another incarnation of Johnny Blaze.

Void or Sentry are just Bob shaping reality.

Or to say it in a different way :

Banner is not The Hulk.

Johnny Blaze isn't Zarathos.

Robert Reynolds is The Sentry and The Void.

You did not "take a shortway" you just didn't comprehend what you read and thought the narrator said that they destroyed worlds. You were simply mistaken and just cant admit you made an error. Also the scan does not show that they can it only shows a hyperbolic statement.

The correct usage is "the narrator did not use hyperbole" not "the narrator don't make an hyperbole" but, yes the writer did indeed engage in hyperbole because the "energy spit out" did not destroy worlds it only destroyed a mesa.

Again, you show that you have difficulty understanding what you read. Incarnation does not mean another character.The void is an incarnation of Sentry (sentry in a different form) Just as Colossus' armored form is an incarnation of his "normal" physical body and the same as super-sayain 4 is an incarnation of Goku.

You are trying to portray yourself as smarter than you are and making mistakes over and over. Either English is not your primary language or you have reading comprehension issues or both.

Zarathos solos.

@street_level_hero said:

@realitywarper said:

@street_level_hero said:

@realitywarper said:

Void is another incarnation (form) of sentry

It is Hyperbole. You simply misread and misquoted the scan: you incorrectly stated that they destroyed worlds while holding back. They didn't: the narrator said that they spit out enough power "to shred entire worlds" he never said that they did destroy entire worlds. You just read it incorrectly and did not comprehend it.

I understand the terms incarnation and hyperbole and used them correctly. it is you who is having difficulty understanding them apparently and also you are having problems understanding what the scan states. Void is indeed an incarnation of Sentry and the words by the narrator are the epitome of hyperbole. You are just having problems with reading comprehension and grasping concepts.

You miss the point :

I agreethat I took a shortway saying they did destroy entire worlds but the scan clearly shows that they can so it actually doesn't matter if they did it or not.

They spit enough energy to do it. Superman can't. Nor any guys on the justice league. :)

The narrator don't make an hyperbole, he simply show their power level.

Void isn't another character : there is only one character, he uses his powers in different ways.

Hulk is another incarnation of Banner.

Zarathos is another incarnation of Johnny Blaze.

Void or Sentry are just Bob shaping reality.

Or to say it in a different way :

Banner is not The Hulk.

Johnny Blaze isn't Zarathos.

Robert Reynolds is The Sentry and The Void.

You did not "take a shortway" you just didn't comprehend what you read and thought the narrator said that they destroyed worlds. You were simply mistaken and just cant admit you made an error. Also the scan does not show that they can it only shows a hyperbolic statement.

The correct usage is "the narrator did not use hyperbole" not "the narrator don't make an hyperbole" but, yes the writer did indeed engage in hyperbole because the "energy spit out" did not destroy worlds it only destroyed a mesa.

Again, you show that you have difficulty understanding what you read. Incarnation does not mean another character.The void is an incarnation of Sentry (sentry in a different form) Just as Colossus' armored form is an incarnation of his "normal" physical body and the same as super-sayain 4 is an incarnation of Goku.

You are trying to portray yourself as smarter than you are and making mistakes over and over. Either English is not your primary language or you have reading comprehension issues or both.

Wrong : A mesa collapsed on Cap America, they didn't destroyed one.

The result of the massive destruction put the life of Cap at risk and a mesa collapsed on him as a side effect of the fight.

Even the art don't shows much, the narration is pretty clear about it : You are just butthurt because GR has no feats on that scale.

You pretend that the narration is hyperbolic because you know nothing about Genis-Vell, nor The Sentry, but fine. ;)

Bob = Sentry + Void and that's all you need to know.

It's not an alternate form, both coexist in Bob's mind.

I guess that you mistake with Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde who are separate entities with separated minds.

Nor Colossus or Goku are different characters when powered up so that proves you don't understand the concept of "incarnation" which clearly suggest another type of character....

Nice attempt to bait me and derail the thread...

Now please show me at least one feat of Superman destroying a World while holding back with his Heat Vision and tanking energy blast who can burst planets out without dying. :)))))

he let himself lose in that fight. He didn't use his speed at all plus he has asking to be hit

@ghostravage: I agree.

@hammer_of_j2: Oh i know Sentry let himself lose but what i meant is that when sentry is unstable he cant u se his power fully :O

And is weakened.

@realitywarper: Pretty much

@street_level_hero: If you're attempting to say that superman can beat sentry, you're wrong. Also seeing as his punches can hurt Thor someone who is way more durable im inclined to say his would also hurt supes. Also lifting power =/= Striking power, when have you ever seen superman bust a planet?

@icecold14: OP said he was stable minded although he is bloodlusted

I guess that his knowledge stayed at... STREET LEVEL ! :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

@realitywarper: LOL I died from that.

Pleasure is mine my friend ! :D

Team 1 could win but I`m not counting out the Justice League.

Also in terms of Zarathos and GR in general they do have quite a lot of context surrounding them when it comes to power-levels.