#1 Posted by humantorch114 (31 posts) - - Show Bio

vs

#2 Posted by ghostrider813 (83 posts) - - Show Bio

ghostrider

#3 Posted by Eternus (692 posts) - - Show Bio

thats a tough won, but in the end i think hulk would win because he could just smash ghost rider into little tiny bone fragments. and ghostrider would have trouble hurtin him because he could just heal and get angrier and smash the living crap out of ghostrider. so hulk it is

#4 Posted by Satyrquaze (4542 posts) - - Show Bio

All Ghost Rider would have to do is make eye contact.

#5 Posted by The Mighty Thor (7469 posts) - - Show Bio

i know thats why i say ghost rider

#6 Posted by Eternus (692 posts) - - Show Bio

yeah but hulk is an innocent he isnt a killer who does it for fun. the penance stare would not work because hes not evil.

#7 Posted by Satyrquaze (4542 posts) - - Show Bio

You don't need to be "evil" for the Penance Stare to work on you, you just need to have caused death and destruction... and have a soul. Hulk fits that profile.


Post Edited:2007-06-29 12:28:38

#8 Posted by The Mighty Thor (7469 posts) - - Show Bio

yea

#9 Posted by Eternal Chaos (22990 posts) - - Show Bio

Ghost Rider's penance stares kills all.

#10 Posted by Blue Nighty (374 posts) - - Show Bio

ghostrider has that stare that kills along with hell fire so ya Ghost rider

#11 Posted by Phorqe (2109 posts) - - Show Bio

Hulk isn't by any means innocent, he's not exactly a killer but he leave everything he's around in shambles. If Hulk new about the Penance Stare he could just avoid eye contact, rush him and boot him across the state, or into the side of a building.

#12 Posted by The Mighty Thor (7469 posts) - - Show Bio

but hulk isn't that smart so he will look in his eye

#13 Posted by Phorqe (2109 posts) - - Show Bio

I think along Hulk's travels someone might have mentioned to him about the guy with the flaming skull and the death stare. Also, I think I've only bought like one GR title and it didn't have the penance stare. Does it KILL people or just cause them severe emotional drama? Hulk's healing factor is absurd right now, he could probably recover from anything. Plus with the new story of Hulk losing his wife and unborn child, the Penance Stare might not work at all.

#14 Posted by The Mighty Thor (7469 posts) - - Show Bio

it kills people cause either take there soul or burns it

#15 Posted by Satyrquaze (4542 posts) - - Show Bio

They were on the same team for a while, but Hulk thinks he is rightous enough to be immune to the penance stare when he most definately is not. Hulk is not the type to avoid someone or something that might or might not hurt him.

The Penance Stare causes someone with any spiritual guilt to fall into a catatonic state, it bypasses regeneration or other forms of physical healing as it represents GR b*tchslapping the persons soul. Hulk's sins are wrath and pride... he is succeptable to the Stare.


Post Edited:2007-06-29 15:50:05

#16 Posted by The Mighty Thor (7469 posts) - - Show Bio

and if hulk dosen't have guilt bruce does

#17 Posted by The Hellfire Club (94 posts) - - Show Bio

Phorqe says:

"I think along Hulk's travels someone might have mentioned to him about the guy with the flaming skull and the death stare. Also, I think I've only bought like one GR title and it didn't have the penance stare. Does it KILL people or just cause them severe emotional drama? Hulk's healing factor is absurd right now, he could probably recover from anything. Plus with the new story of Hulk losing his wife and unborn child, the Penance Stare might not work at all. "

I think maybe your trying to hard. GR wins.

#18 Posted by Phorqe (2109 posts) - - Show Bio

The Hellfire Club says:

"Phorqe says:
"I think along Hulk's travels someone might have mentioned to him about the guy with the flaming skull and the death stare. Also, I think I've only bought like one GR title and it didn't have the penance stare. Does it KILL people or just cause them severe emotional drama? Hulk's healing factor is absurd right now, he could probably recover from anything. Plus with the new story of Hulk losing his wife and unborn child, the Penance Stare might not work at all. "

I think maybe your trying to hard. GR wins."

Just food for thought. Death stare is pretty hard to beat.

#19 Posted by The Hellfire Club (94 posts) - - Show Bio

Phorqe says:

"The Hellfire Club says:
"Phorqe says:
"I think along Hulk's travels someone might have mentioned to him about the guy with the flaming skull and the death stare. Also, I think I've only bought like one GR title and it didn't have the penance stare. Does it KILL people or just cause them severe emotional drama? Hulk's healing factor is absurd right now, he could probably recover from anything. Plus with the new story of Hulk losing his wife and unborn child, the Penance Stare might not work at all. "
I think maybe your trying to hard. GR wins."
Just food for thought. Death stare is pretty hard to beat."

Thats what EVERYONE is saying.

#20 Posted by Eternus (692 posts) - - Show Bio

Just food for thought. Death stare is pretty hard to beat."

thought it was penance stare :P

#21 Posted by PushMunky (493 posts) - - Show Bio

If the penance stare works, & Ghost Rider is able to get Hulk to hold still long enough (a few seconds) to execute the penance stare (not likely), then, Ghost Rider would win. Otherwise, I think it'd be a good long fight, but GR would just keep pissing the Hulk off more & more, & he'd just get stronger & more durable, & eventually, the sun would rise and Ghost Rider would revert back to Johnny Blaze ( or Dan Ketch) & then Hulk would easily SMASH.

#22 Edited by God_Spawn (37873 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't think the sun rising matters any more. Unless something happened recently, I don't think it's matter for awhile actually.

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#23 Posted by RoyalDivinity (3172 posts) - - Show Bio

Rider wins.
#24 Posted by Westlife (1798 posts) - - Show Bio

Depends. If Hulk did something bad like kill somebody or anything like thatm then the Ghost Rider as an entity, and not just Johnny Blaze, is after him. In WWH, Doc Strange said it. If Ghost Rider was in control and actively fought the Hulk, he would win. But JB was in control and Hulk didn't do anything wrong, because he was just vengeful, so when The Ghost Rider Spirit took over, he left. So it depends on the circumstances.

And no, Hulk can't just smash Ghost Rider into tiny bone fragments.

#25 Edited by Westlife (1798 posts) - - Show Bio
@Jake454
He's not susceptible to the sun anymore. That's old, and he learned to control it completely.
#26 Posted by God_Spawn (37873 posts) - - Show Bio

Hulk's only way of really winning this is BFR

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#27 Posted by BarelyAverage (942 posts) - - Show Bio
@god_spawn said:
Hulk's only way of really winning this is BFR
#28 Posted by higher_evolutionary (2015 posts) - - Show Bio

didnt hulk smash him already

#29 Posted by Killemall (18564 posts) - - Show Bio

Just give hulk a nice pair of sun glasses and he wins... ;) 
 
Just kidding.. like everyone said, GHOSTRIDER. 

#30 Posted by Grimbear13 (2 posts) - - Show Bio

Believe it or not (and it is hard to believe) Hulk has never actually killed an innocent person in Earth 616. If you read the story arc about Banner being on the run from a secret organization that's after his blood you can see how shaken up Banner is when he finds out that a building the Hulk brought down had a small child in it. Later you find out that it was super imposed. So Penance Stare might not have as big of an effect as you may think. I like both chars Hulk being my #1 and Ghost Rider being my #3 favorite heroes with Captain America in the middle. But I'm going to say Hulk would probably win in a legit elongated fight. He has resistance to mental attacks and I'm pretty sure Penance Stare falls into that category. On another message board someone mentioned Hulk being immune to it in the World War Hulk fight that they had which I have that comic in a trade paper back so unless something was omitted I never see that happening. But Green Scar Hulk makes fairly easy work of Ghost Rider there. And when Ghost Rider goes full power because Hulk beat all of the Johnny Blaze out of him he rides off because Hulk was not fighting innocents, nor does he spill innocent blood (he actually saves a group of civilians when Dr. Strange uses the power of Zom from a collapsing building). Even at his full power though I'm not sure he could beat the Hulk because Green Scar Hulk took out Sentry who has the power of a million exploding suns. And that's a pretty large magnitude of measurement.

Short Answer imo Hulk.

#31 Posted by TifaLockhart (14050 posts) - - Show Bio

Johnny Sorrow, the Destroyer Armor, heck, even Judge Fear. Deathstares are no joke.

But I do want to point out that Hulk under Banner never killed anyone. As far as the fight goes, I have no idea.

#32 Posted by TheMightyAvenger (1912 posts) - - Show Bio

Ghost Rider.

#33 Posted by SpideyIvyDaredevilFan26 (6482 posts) - - Show Bio

Ghost Rider, not even close. Ghost Rider is more athletic, smarter and almost as strong as the hulk. Not to mention his range attacks will keep Hulk from doing any challenge. And then of course, there's penance stare. And for those who think the Hulk doesn;t have guilt, of course he does. He's killed plenty of people (unintentionally) and cost people millions in damage.

#34 Posted by TifaLockhart (14050 posts) - - Show Bio

@SpideyIvyDaredevilFan26: How strong is Ghost Rider again? Cause Hulk is one of if not the strongest conventional Marvel hero there is.

#35 Posted by MrDirector786 (43552 posts) - - Show Bio

The only way Hulk can win is through BFR. Otherwise, he will be unable to even do any real damage to Ghost Rider because he doesn't have any holy or unholy means of attack.

#36 Posted by Mysterioz (602 posts) - - Show Bio

This happened in the cartoon rider one because he use the penance stare so.............

#37 Posted by shadowknight2290 (3 posts) - - Show Bio

@SpideyIvyDaredevilFan26:

ok yes hulk has guilt but he isnt an intentional sinner he does what he does to survive not for his own selfish gain so the penance stare doesnt work and ghost rider is no where near as strong as the hulk being the fact that hulks strength is virtually limitiless and hes only faster when hes on his bike and intelligence really doesnt play a big factor because hulk has beaten spider man and mr fantastic both of which have genuis level intelligence and as for athletism imagine hulk playing a game of foot ball you really dont get much more athletic than that

#38 Posted by God_Spawn (37873 posts) - - Show Bio

@god_spawn said:

Hulk's only way of really winning this is BFR
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#39 Posted by Floopay (8721 posts) - - Show Bio

As I recall, when Johnny Blaze turns into the Ghost Rider in WWH there's this huge explosion, and the Hulk screams in agony, the page after the Hulk appears fine, but in the page where he creates the explosion he clearly is creating enough heat to at least put the Hulk at some discomfort. This being said WWH is the strongest incarnation of the Hulk. And if the Ghost Rider merely emerging, and using a small portion of his power to remove the rubble from his body generates enough heat and force to put the Hulk at some discomfort, then if he actually unloads the Hulk is definitely going to be in a lot of trouble. Now I hear talk of "Is this Johnny Blaze, or the Ghost Rider, because the Ghost Rider doesn't fight the innocent". However, this forum clearly states Hulk vs the Ghost Rider, so regardless of whether or not the Hulk is innocent isn't an issue, the fact is somehow Ghost Rider has decided he wants to fight Hulk. Even without the Penance Stare, Ghost Rider would incinerate the Hulk, or wrap a chain around his neck and drag him to hell if he has to. Ghost Rider is way out of the Hulk's league.

Thanks for reading,

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#40 Posted by Killemall (18564 posts) - - Show Bio

@higher_evolutionary said:

didnt hulk smash him already

to the best of my knoweledge hulk has never won againt GR and techinically should never win. If you are talking about WWH he fought Gr, the spirit of vengence took over and he left , that's not really a victory!

#41 Posted by MutenRoshi (851 posts) - - Show Bio

Ghost Rider can easily BFR Hulk

#42 Posted by Killemall (18564 posts) - - Show Bio

@MutenRoshi said:

Ghost Rider can easily BFR Hulk

Does he really need to restor to BFR?? could he not beat Gr with his hell fire or the cool chain or the penance state??

#43 Posted by Suiken_Seiji (520 posts) - - Show Bio

Ghost Rider.

He's beaten Hulk with no effort in the past by simply burning away the oxygen around Hulk.

WWHulk never beat Ghost Rider. He was having problems with a restricted powered Ghost Rider, where Johnny was in control; which dramatically decreases the power of what the Rider is truly capable of. Hulk can only contend with a Johnny possessed Rider, and even than has been defeated in the past by a Johnny possessed Rider.

Hell Fire works great on the Hulk, Penance Stare isn't needed.

#44 Posted by HulktheUltimate (69 posts) - - Show Bio

Sadly Hulk loses.. I wish you didn't pick the original hulk, maybe World Breaker or WWH? :|... Some variant of Hulk that could possibly beat GR?.... Whatever.

#45 Posted by Suiken_Seiji (520 posts) - - Show Bio

@HulktheUltimate:

Sad to say, no Hulk can beat Ghost Rider (including World Breaker or WWH). Hulk has no answer to putting down Ghost Rider nor does he have any defenses for Hell Fire. Ghost Rider has multiple ways of winning, Hulk... I can't even think of one, even it was BFR.

#46 Posted by Killemall (18564 posts) - - Show Bio

@Suiken_Seiji said:

@HulktheUltimate:

Sad to say, no Hulk can beat Ghost Rider (including World Breaker or WWH). Hulk has no answer to putting down Ghost Rider nor does he have any defenses for Hell Fire. Ghost Rider has multiple ways of winning, Hulk... I can't even think of one, even it was BFR.

i second that.

#47 Posted by HulktheUltimate (69 posts) - - Show Bio

@Suiken_Seiji: You're probably right.. Even if hulk had the endurance and strength and if penance stare did not effect him.. I have the feeling it would end up as a stalemate or GR winning. Sorry Hulk, :(((

#48 Posted by Killemall (18564 posts) - - Show Bio

@HulktheUltimate said:

@Suiken_Seiji: You're probably right.. Even if hulk had the endurance and strength and if penance stare did not effect him.. I have the feeling it would end up as a stalemate or GR winning. Sorry Hulk, :(((

That is correct because you see no one heals as fast as ghost rider, it has been said that only god can kill a rider (i can post scans if you like). so winning by physical means is almost out of the question because ghost rider would just heal instantly or even fight without being stopped (Gr has fought while his head was cut off and was able to regenerate the head once the fight ended).

the other option is BFR which hulk might technically pull a win, he could grab the ghost rider and throw him into space or somewhere else. That's hulks only option :)

Ghost rider on the other hand has various options so yeah GR all the way !!

#49 Edited by leonkarlen123 (4457 posts) - - Show Bio

Go to hell Hulk! (No more Hulk)

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