#1 Edited by Raw_Material (3207 posts) - - Show Bio

Hmm, I've always wondered...

Rules/Settings

  • Pre-52 Aquaman
  • New 52 Mera
  • Earth-616 Johnny Blaze
  • Standard Gear Applies
  • Aqua Team Has 1 Hour Prep Time
  • No BFR
  • Morals Off
  • Win by KO, Submission, or Death

Vs

#2 Posted by ghost_rider1 (3217 posts) - - Show Bio

what can they do to ghost rider except piss him off

#3 Posted by DeathSamurai (537 posts) - - Show Bio

@ghost_rider1: your name says your opinion for you.

Team win 6/10 in a hard fight

#4 Posted by The_Red_Viper (4075 posts) - - Show Bio

@deathsamurai: Can water hurt GR? I mean I know he's all fire and stuff but isn't it hellfire or something?

#5 Posted by Nefarious (17622 posts) - - Show Bio

Ghost Rider.

#6 Edited by Killemall (16960 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_red_viper: Water doesnt hurt Ghost Rider at all, the only thing that Aquaman has that might hurt him would be his magic, given he is not a follower of dark magic its not going to do a lot either, and possibly his sword. (tirdent not sword)

There is very little Aquaman and Mera can do against a bloodlusted Ghost Rider really.

#7 Posted by The_Red_Viper (4075 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_red_viper: Water doesnt hurt Ghost Rider at all, the only thing that Aquaman has that might hurt him would be his magic, given he is not a follower of dark magic its not going to do a lot either, and possibly his sword. (tirdent not sword)

There is very little Aquaman and Mera can do against a bloodlusted Ghost Rider really.

No telepathy either?

#8 Posted by GhostRavage (7576 posts) - - Show Bio

Ghost Ravage Rider wins. There's like nothing Aquaman and Mera can do to him.

#9 Posted by Pokergeist (22329 posts) - - Show Bio

@killemall said:

@the_red_viper: Water doesnt hurt Ghost Rider at all, the only thing that Aquaman has that might hurt him would be his magic, given he is not a follower of dark magic its not going to do a lot either, and possibly his sword. (tirdent not sword)

There is very little Aquaman and Mera can do against a bloodlusted Ghost Rider really.

No telepathy either?

GR shown Immunty to Telepaths like Mephisto, Blackheart, and even this kid who TP was so that this kid blinded Xavier to him.

So he should be Immune to TP. He easily broke out of this Powerful Psychic.

#10 Edited by Raw_Material (3207 posts) - - Show Bio

Remember, Mera, a hydrokinetic powerhouse, also has the ability to extract water from bodies and relieve them from any oxygen stored within them. Do you think he would be able to do so with Ghost Rider? Here is an example of what I mean:

#11 Edited by Gambit474 (1342 posts) - - Show Bio

@ghost_rider1: your name says your opinion for you.

Team win 6/10 in a hard fight

Your comment says that you obviously don't know anything about ghost rider. Shall I link you to cadence's thread about GR's feats and abilities?

Why the Aquaman team loses

As it's been said there's literally nothing Arthur and Mera can do to even harm GR

#12 Posted by The_Red_Viper (4075 posts) - - Show Bio

Remember, Mera, a hydrokinetic powerhouse, also has the ability to extract water from bodies and relieve them from any oxygen stored within them. Do you think he would be able to do so with Ghost Rider? Here is an example of what I mean:

Correct me if I'm wrong here but isn't GR all bones and fire and anger?

#13 Posted by Pokergeist (22329 posts) - - Show Bio

Remember, Mera, a hydrokinetic powerhouse, also has the ability to extract water from bodies and relieve them from any oxygen stored within them. Do you think he would be able to do so with Ghost Rider? Here is an example of what I mean:

Ummmm.... Ghost Rider is all Hellfire.

There is no water or Oxygen there..... at all.

He is all Hellfire!

HELL FIRE!

#14 Posted by DeathSamurai (537 posts) - - Show Bio

@gambit474: i said it would be really really hard aquamans trident can more than likely help, but if it is bloodlusted than yea GR stomps them but in character they have a small chance

#15 Posted by Raw_Material (3207 posts) - - Show Bio
#16 Posted by Gambit474 (1342 posts) - - Show Bio

@gambit474: i said it would be really really hard aquamans trident can more than likely help, but if it is bloodlusted than yea GR stomps them but in character they have a small chance

No they don't..they have like no chance. If Zarathos is in control then they best hope for a quick death

#17 Posted by Raw_Material (3207 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm a huge fan of all three characters so I have no problem with this "debate". I just want to see if this was actually a real thing. This battle has been trapped in my mind for as long as I could think of, but somehow I finally had the urge to create a thread to open up this discussion to all you guys in the CV community.

#18 Posted by DeathSamurai (537 posts) - - Show Bio

@gambit474: thats what i said if GR is BLOODLUSTED he stomps

#19 Posted by New_World_Order (11159 posts) - - Show Bio

Ghost Rider rather easily.

#20 Posted by Gambit474 (1342 posts) - - Show Bio

@gambit474: thats what i said if GR is BLOODLUSTED he stomps

He doesn't even have to be bloodlusted..Even GR with Blaze in control can take down these two. How about instead of trying to criticize someone for saying Ghost rider you give reasons as to how these two could even hurt GR at all

#21 Posted by DeathSamurai (537 posts) - - Show Bio

@gambit474: who criticized anyone?

Anyway yes GR wins but Aquaman's trident should be able to harm him, see notice all i said was harm him not kill. I was wrong with my first post yea not thinking about what GR is really able to do.

Either way i don't to agrue with you about how bad the team loses ok.

#22 Posted by Gambit474 (1342 posts) - - Show Bio

@gambit474: who criticized anyone?

Anyway yes GR wins but Aquaman's trident should be able to harm him, see notice all i said was harm him not kill. I was wrong with my first post yea not thinking about what GR is really able to do.

Either way i don't to agrue with you about how bad the team loses ok.

His trident wouldn't be able to harm him since it's not from heaven

#23 Edited by NeonGameWave (7207 posts) - - Show Bio

Ghost Rider with ease.

#24 Edited by DeathSamurai (537 posts) - - Show Bio

@gambit474: well......if the trident cant hurt him at all than aquaman will have a problem. I thought just being a magic type weapon it should be able to harm him?

#25 Posted by Gambit474 (1342 posts) - - Show Bio

@gambit474: well......if the trident cant hurt him at all than aquaman will have a problem. I thought just being a magic type weapon it should be able to harm him?

Holy magic yeah..however hitting GR with that trident would be like tickling him,since GR's been blown apart by Doctor Strange before and he was packing way more magic then these two

#26 Edited by DeathSamurai (537 posts) - - Show Bio

@gambit474: didnt the hulk hit him hard enough to knock GR out? Not sayimg Aquaman has the strength to knock him out bit enough phsyical force stop him for a moment

#27 Posted by Gambit474 (1342 posts) - - Show Bio

He knocked blaze controlling the rider out yes..but Zarathos took back control as soon as it happened and GR got back up unharmed. That was before Jason Aaron took over though and amped up GR..physical attacks so far have shown to have little to no effect on him nowadays

#28 Posted by DeathSamurai (537 posts) - - Show Bio

@gambit474: ok than there is no real way for the team to win

#29 Posted by Thedarklordpandamonium (4825 posts) - - Show Bio

@gambit474: but it's Johnny blaze not Jason Aaron.

#30 Edited by Raw_Material (3207 posts) - - Show Bio

Now what if it was Pre-52 Aquaman, you think this could make somewhat of a difference in this battle?

#31 Posted by GhostRavage (7576 posts) - - Show Bio

Trust me... If WWH didn't fight Ghost Rider in the War at Manhattan... it was for a good reason... He would have spent the whole story fighting him without any kind of progress... Ghost Rider won't lose to anybody physically... More like with Heaven magic or hellish magic just to harm him. No one can really defeat Ghost Rider but God himself. I hope this comment helps people to understand how unbeatable GR is...

#32 Edited by Raw_Material (3207 posts) - - Show Bio

@ghostravage: Yea I believe you that Ghost Rider is definitely a powerhouse that can't just be stopped by anyone and if he could be able to take on WWH head on which he has couple times before, than that means Aquaman and Mera would have to be able to defeat the Hulk first (in a theoretical way).

But are you talking about this encounter right here?

#33 Edited by GhostRavage (7576 posts) - - Show Bio

@raw_material: Yes sir. But Hulk is not able to beat GR because his sort of immune to physical damage. Mera and Aquaman can be hurt by physical assaults so it doesn't work like ABC logic here... Hulk can beat Aquaman and Mera, they can beat Hulk if the circumstances permits it but none of them can beat GR given the fact he's "immune" to physical damage...

#34 Posted by Raw_Material (3207 posts) - - Show Bio

So is this one a fail or could Aquaman & Mera have a chance in this fight?

#35 Posted by dondave (26724 posts) - - Show Bio

Ghost Rider

#36 Edited by Raw_Material (3207 posts) - - Show Bio

Mera does possess substantial amount of strength using the water at her advantage as shown in the New 52 series, which seemingly matches the abilities Pre-52 Aquaman acquires. Now as for Aquaman, he's dealt with such powerhouses before such as Superboy, Olympian, Power Ring, Demonic gods, and even all the members of Deep Six (one by one) who are all considered Class 100 in strength level. Both have a tendency to use telepathy to get into the minds of their opponents as well, more so Aquaman who has been able to stop Zum and Despero using it and have been said to be on the same level as Martian Manhunter in this department. Mera also is able to suck out any water stored, and oxygen for that matter, out of her opponents living them dehydrated and grasping for air.

#37 Posted by Wolverine08 (26606 posts) - - Show Bio

Aquaman and Mera are going to be curbstomped.

#38 Edited by Raw_Material (3207 posts) - - Show Bio

IIRC Ghost Rider is flamed up with hellfire. Although I've seen his lights go out before, so this battle could be a good one IMO.

#39 Edited by Pokeysteve (7018 posts) - - Show Bio

The thing about Ghost Rider battles is it comes down to knowledge and preparation. If Aquaman and Mera have both then they should win.

They visit a church and Arthur gets his trident blessed while Mera steals the churches holy water. GR is in trouble.

Without knowledge there is no way for them to hurt him. Rider is not a character you want pissed at you.

#40 Posted by New_World_Order (11159 posts) - - Show Bio

Ghost Rider easily.