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#1 Posted by Swordsman83 (68 posts) - - Show Bio

the captain commander with his bankai against human torch.

Genryusai Yamaoto
#2 Posted by Simon_the_digger (2919 posts) - - Show Bio

Torch with the Cosmic Rod was able to hurt a Celestial, I think him going Nova with the Cosmic Rod was twice the heat of the sun, I don't think he has it anymore so he is most likely going to lose to Yamamoto.

#3 Posted by OneVision_OnePurpose (289 posts) - - Show Bio

Johnny is immune to heat/fire. Yamamoto by his own admission would be destroyed by his bankai if it was left going for too long which would suggest to me he's highly resistant but not immune. Fair chance Johnny can just take control of suppress his bankai anyway.

#4 Posted by RumbleMan_Exe (1543 posts) - - Show Bio

Old man gets crisped

#5 Posted by UltimateHero0406 (2171 posts) - - Show Bio

HT

#6 Posted by Bossmonster (2212 posts) - - Show Bio

The Caption take this. This isn't a pure fire fight (ahaahahahah. I can't believe I said that one.)

Yamamoto slayed Allon with a sword draw. Blew a chunk out of Wanderwize (sp). I don't think torch could take a hit from him at all. So even if he's swords power was taken away, he is still a swordmaster, much faster and much stronger.

High chance he could one shot jonny.

I'm call stomp in Yamamoto's favor.

#7 Posted by redbird3rdboywonder (3986 posts) - - Show Bio

Yama ji.

@OneVision_OnePurpose: Even if Johnny is immune to fire, he's not immune to being erased from existence now is he. One touch of Yama's sword and no more Torch

#8 Posted by OneVision_OnePurpose (289 posts) - - Show Bio

@redbird3rdboywonder: The erasing from existence is via incineration due to concentrated heat.....so in this instance yes he is.

#9 Posted by Swordsman83 (68 posts) - - Show Bio

@Bossmonster said:

The Caption take this. This isn't a pure fire fight (ahaahahahah. I can't believe I said that one.)

Yamamoto slayed Allon with a sword draw. Blew a chunk out of Wanderwize (sp). I don't think torch could take a hit from him at all. So even if he's swords power was taken away, he is still a swordmaster, much faster and much stronger.

High chance he could one shot jonny.

I'm call stomp in Yamamoto's favor.

yap you got that right. this isn't a pure fire fight. I don't know much about Johnny. Can he take physical hits in his human torch form ? (against those heavy hitters in marvel, colossus, hulk, juggernaut)

#10 Posted by Laurcus (1299 posts) - - Show Bio

I've never seen him use them, but seeing as how he's the Captain Commander, doesn't Yama have fairly significant Kido powers? If his sword and fire prove ineffective, he could always resort to spamming magic.

#11 Posted by ZtheGreat (15 posts) - - Show Bio

Torch can still get cut. We can't forget Yamamato is also a swordsmanship, Kido, and Hakuda master, and his spiritual pressure was enough to overwhelm Captain level Shinigami, and Torch is still only a Human. I say even if Johnny could overcome the sheer amount of Reiatsu emanating from a released RyujinJakka, he would lose.

#12 Posted by mypasswordis1234 (1106 posts) - - Show Bio

Human Torch maybe could shot hotter fire, but he has to heat it up if I know correct. Yamamoto is not immune to fire, but has a good resist. He could go close and slice him.

#13 Posted by NeonGameWave (7712 posts) - - Show Bio

It could go either way.

#14 Posted by xeon1cs (1479 posts) - - Show Bio

@Ferdelance: He still has the Cosmic Control Rod.

#15 Posted by Simon_the_digger (2919 posts) - - Show Bio

@xeon1cs: Well then he effortlessly destroys the Bleach verse, and thanks btw.

#16 Posted by uberhikari (2474 posts) - - Show Bio

Excluding the cosmic control rod, Yamamoto might be able to win. First, Yama's shikai simply won't work on Torch because obviously the Torch is immune to fire. Yama's bankai has four specific techniques: Zanka no tachi east, west, north and south. Zanka no tachi east concentrates all the flames of his sword into its edge, and while it is true that Torch might be able to be cut by something, he can't be cut by a sword of heat/fire because he's immune to fire. Zanka no tach west surrounds Yama in an armor of fire that reaches 15,000,000 degrees, but this won't help him against Torch for obvious reasons. Zanka no tachi south, the most interesting ability of Yama's bankai, allows him to bring forth all the people ever killed by his sword and use this to attack his opponent, but the ability is pretty featless, imo. And zanka no tachi north is just a more concentrated version of zanka no tachi east. So, neither one of Yama's shikai or bankai abilities will work on Torch.

However, there is one way that Yama might win and that's via kidou. This is somewhat tricky though because Yama has only ever used 1 kidou spell IIRC and it was fire based. However, if we powerscale Yama should be able to use any kidou spell that's ever been shown in Bleach, except for maybe the forbidden ones. And there's a nasty array of spells that Yama can use to paralyze Torch and then attack him.

#17 Posted by Skaddix (3114 posts) - - Show Bio

To be fair as a spirit Yama could simply crush torch with spritual pressurre

#18 Posted by theONEtaichou (1521 posts) - - Show Bio

@uberhikari said:

Excluding the cosmic control rod, Yamamoto might be able to win. First, Yama's shikai simply won't work on Torch because obviously the Torch is immune to fire. Yama's bankai has four specific techniques: Zanka no tachi east, west, north and south. Zanka no tachi east concentrates all the flames of his sword into its edge, and while it is true that Torch might be able to be cut by something, he can't be cut by a sword of heat/fire because he's immune to fire. Zanka no tach west surrounds Yama in an armor of fire that reaches 15,000,000 degrees, but this won't help him against Torch for obvious reasons. Zanka no tachi south, the most interesting ability of Yama's bankai, allows him to bring forth all the people ever killed by his sword and use this to attack his opponent, but the ability is pretty featless, imo. And zanka no tachi north is just a more concentrated version of zanka no tachi east. So, neither one of Yama's shikai or bankai abilities will work on Torch.

However, there is one way that Yama might win and that's via kidou. This is somewhat tricky though because Yama has only ever used 1 kidou spell IIRC and it was fire based. However, if we powerscale Yama should be able to use any kidou spell that's ever been shown in Bleach, except for maybe the forbidden ones. And there's a nasty array of spells that Yama can use to paralyze Torch and then attack him.

Without the Cosmic Rod Yamamoto wtfcurbstomps Human Torch. You are focusing only on fire based attacks, and even if we give that to you that Torch can CONTROL all fire, he still has no way to survive mere punches from the head captain. Forget the shikai attacks, his kido, and if you watched the fight with Wonderweiss his speed, brute strength and Sokotsu would demolish torch. There is no way for torch to win baring PIS. That's just the physical attributes. Also Torch cannot survive a sword slash, he would die, and I doubt he would control a fire based sword fast enough to remove the heat, but even if he did the blade is not fire, it cuts his so fast he doesn't even feel it. Basically Torch dies... and ugly single guys everywhere rejoice for now a playa is gone.

#19 Posted by uberhikari (2474 posts) - - Show Bio

@theONEtaichou said:

@uberhikari said:

Excluding the cosmic control rod, Yamamoto might be able to win. First, Yama's shikai simply won't work on Torch because obviously the Torch is immune to fire. Yama's bankai has four specific techniques: Zanka no tachi east, west, north and south. Zanka no tachi east concentrates all the flames of his sword into its edge, and while it is true that Torch might be able to be cut by something, he can't be cut by a sword of heat/fire because he's immune to fire. Zanka no tach west surrounds Yama in an armor of fire that reaches 15,000,000 degrees, but this won't help him against Torch for obvious reasons. Zanka no tachi south, the most interesting ability of Yama's bankai, allows him to bring forth all the people ever killed by his sword and use this to attack his opponent, but the ability is pretty featless, imo. And zanka no tachi north is just a more concentrated version of zanka no tachi east. So, neither one of Yama's shikai or bankai abilities will work on Torch.

However, there is one way that Yama might win and that's via kidou. This is somewhat tricky though because Yama has only ever used 1 kidou spell IIRC and it was fire based. However, if we powerscale Yama should be able to use any kidou spell that's ever been shown in Bleach, except for maybe the forbidden ones. And there's a nasty array of spells that Yama can use to paralyze Torch and then attack him.

Without the Cosmic Rod Yamamoto wtfcurbstomps Human Torch. You are focusing only on fire based attacks, and even if we give that to you that Torch can CONTROL all fire, he still has no way to survive mere punches from the head captain. Forget the shikai attacks, his kido, and if you watched the fight with Wonderweiss his speed, brute strength and Sokotsu would demolish torch. There is no way for torch to win baring PIS. That's just the physical attributes. Also Torch cannot survive a sword slash, he would die, and I doubt he would control a fire based sword fast enough to remove the heat, but even if he did the blade is not fire, it cuts his so fast he doesn't even feel it. Basically Torch dies... and ugly single guys everywhere rejoice for now a playa is gone.

Do you even know anything about Human Torch or did you just come here and ignorantly post a bunch of nonsense? The Human Torch has the ability to control fire...that's his ability. So, yes Human Torch can control all fire. If Yamamoto tries to use any fire against Human Torch it won't work. Second, Yamamoto is not immune to fire. Once the Human Torch flames on, he's basically covered in fire. If Yamamoto tried to punch Human Torch he'd only end up burning himself, so Sokotsu wouldn't work. Third, Yamamoto is not faster than Human Torch. What gave you this idea? Human Torch is fast enough to fly into space (which requires a speed of Mach 30+); Yamamoto has never shown any speed feats on that level, and that's just the bare minimum of Human Torch's speed. Finally, you think Human Torch is going to be cut? LOL! Human Torch can reach stellar temperatures, zapakutou's in Bleach have been literally broken by less. Human Torch would literally melt a zanpakutou into scrap metal, or whatever they're made out of. The only way Yamamoto wins this fight is by using kidou, which is exactly what I wrote in my original post.

#20 Posted by saiyan_earthling (5441 posts) - - Show Bio

Human Torch

#21 Posted by ghost_rider1 (3448 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm gonna say yammamoto win this because of kido and sword attacks. One slash from his sword or one kido blast would kill johnny easily. Johnny does have the power of flight but his combat speed and reflexes is just an average human. He wouldn't see yammamoto's flash step in time to react or do anything

#22 Posted by ghost_rider1 (3448 posts) - - Show Bio
@uberhikari

@theONEtaichou said:

@uberhikari said:

Excluding the cosmic control rod, Yamamoto might be able to win. First, Yama's shikai simply won't work on Torch because obviously the Torch is immune to fire. Yama's bankai has four specific techniques: Zanka no tachi east, west, north and south. Zanka no tachi east concentrates all the flames of his sword into its edge, and while it is true that Torch might be able to be cut by something, he can't be cut by a sword of heat/fire because he's immune to fire. Zanka no tach west surrounds Yama in an armor of fire that reaches 15,000,000 degrees, but this won't help him against Torch for obvious reasons. Zanka no tachi south, the most interesting ability of Yama's bankai, allows him to bring forth all the people ever killed by his sword and use this to attack his opponent, but the ability is pretty featless, imo. And zanka no tachi north is just a more concentrated version of zanka no tachi east. So, neither one of Yama's shikai or bankai abilities will work on Torch.

However, there is one way that Yama might win and that's via kidou. This is somewhat tricky though because Yama has only ever used 1 kidou spell IIRC and it was fire based. However, if we powerscale Yama should be able to use any kidou spell that's ever been shown in Bleach, except for maybe the forbidden ones. And there's a nasty array of spells that Yama can use to paralyze Torch and then attack him.

Without the Cosmic Rod Yamamoto wtfcurbstomps Human Torch. You are focusing only on fire based attacks, and even if we give that to you that Torch can CONTROL all fire, he still has no way to survive mere punches from the head captain. Forget the shikai attacks, his kido, and if you watched the fight with Wonderweiss his speed, brute strength and Sokotsu would demolish torch. There is no way for torch to win baring PIS. That's just the physical attributes. Also Torch cannot survive a sword slash, he would die, and I doubt he would control a fire based sword fast enough to remove the heat, but even if he did the blade is not fire, it cuts his so fast he doesn't even feel it. Basically Torch dies... and ugly single guys everywhere rejoice for now a playa is gone.

Do you even know anything about Human Torch or did you just come here and ignorantly post a bunch of nonsense? The Human Torch has the ability to control fire...that's his ability. So, yes Human Torch can control all fire. If Yamamoto tries to use any fire against Human Torch it won't work. Second, Yamamoto is not immune to fire. Once the Human Torch flames on, he's basically covered in fire. If Yamamoto tried to punch Human Torch he'd only end up burning himself, so Sokotsu wouldn't work. Third, Yamamoto is not faster than Human Torch. What gave you this idea? Human Torch is fast enough to fly into space (which requires a speed of Mach 30+); Yamamoto has never shown any speed feats on that level, and that's just the bare minimum of Human Torch's speed. Finally, you think Human Torch is going to be cut? LOL! Human Torch can reach stellar temperatures, zapakutou's in Bleach have been literally broken by less. Human Torch would literally melt a zanpakutou into scrap metal, or whatever they're made out of. The only way Yamamoto wins this fight is by using kidou, which is exactly what I wrote in my original post.

Your wrong....I'm sure everyone know about human torch....but torch lose here. Johnny won't be able to react to yammamoto...there is no way he gonna dodge him. And the time it takes for torch to get that hot. Yamammoto would have already cut him down using his flash step.
#23 Posted by Ms. Omega (4450 posts) - - Show Bio

How is the Human Torch going to harm a spiritual entity?

#24 Posted by Storm Calling (3582 posts) - - Show Bio

Umm, Yamamoto is basically Human Torch and everything else. He curbstomps this fight for sure.

#25 Posted by uberhikari (2474 posts) - - Show Bio

@Ms. Omega said:

How is the Human Torch going to harm a spiritual entity?

Oh no not this argument again. Seriously? Shinigami can be thrown into buildings, punched by regular humans (like Chad), etc. but Human Torch can't burn them? Do you think that Superman can't punch Ichigo in the face?

#26 Edited by Ms. Omega (4450 posts) - - Show Bio

@uberhikari: I am not saying he can't just saying it wont be easy given the old man centuries of combat and not to mention all the kido spells he knows. Plus Chad (Sado) isn't a regular human. Plus Yamamoto's bankai isnt composed of normal fire its mystic based not sure if Human Torch is immune or able to control mystic fire.

#27 Posted by Nefarious (19837 posts) - - Show Bio

Fight Fire with Fire. Hmmm... 
 
Human Torch wins.

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#28 Posted by theONEtaichou (1521 posts) - - Show Bio

hey my first insult on CV... :) thanks @uberhikari

#29 Posted by PrinceAragorn1 (16835 posts) - - Show Bio

How is torch surviving the soul crush in the first place? And even if he does, he's not keeping up with the captain, even if he can, he is not getting up after getting hit like ww.. Old man for One shot win here.

#30 Posted by Storm Calling (3582 posts) - - Show Bio

@Nefarious said:

Fight Fire with Fire. Hmmm... Human Torch wins.

Yamamoto doesn't just have fire attacks though. He has powerful magical abilities called Kido, which allow for him to do a variety of things like sealing people away, binding, teleporting limbs or deflecting attacks.

He has tremendous durability as well. With his zanpaktuto sealed, he was durable enough to contain and absorb a firestorm blast that could have destroyed two cities from the detonation. He was crafty enough to create a powerful kido explosion from his charred arm that incinerated an entire area on release. Definitely one of the best Kido masters on the show.

He has incredible strength, sufficient enough to crack the armor in a very powerful Arrancar in it's released state, and sent him flying through multiple buildings in a city block. Not to mention the fact that when he used both arms he was able to shatter him into pieces. He's literally walked a hole through a massive giant creature and left a giant hole in his chest.

He also has incredible speed, much faster than human, able to react and deflect lightning bolts and keep up with some of the fastest characters on the show., who are incredibly fast and well above human reaction. Johnny wouldn't even have time to say "flame on" before he's dead.

#31 Posted by THUNDERBOLT30 (10341 posts) - - Show Bio

@Storm Calling said:

@Nefarious said:

Fight Fire with Fire. Hmmm... Human Torch wins.

Yamamoto doesn't just have fire attacks though. He has powerful magical abilities called Kido, which allow for him to do a variety of things like sealing people away, binding, teleporting limbs or deflecting attacks.

He has tremendous durability as well. With his zanpaktuto sealed, he was durable enough to contain and absorb a firestorm blast that could have destroyed two cities from the detonation. He was crafty enough to create a powerful kido explosion from his charred arm that incinerated an entire area on release. Definitely one of the best Kido masters on the show.

He has incredible strength, sufficient enough to crack the armor in a very powerful Arrancar in it's released state, and sent him flying through multiple buildings in a city block. Not to mention the fact that when he used both arms he was able to shatter him into pieces. He's literally walked a hole through a massive giant creature and left a giant hole in his chest.

He also has incredible speed, much faster than human, able to react and deflect lightning bolts and keep up with some of the fastest characters on the show., who are incredibly fast and well above human reaction. Johnny wouldn't even have time to say "flame on" before he's dead.

Yeah...saw some video footage of this guy. Johnny is dying. Again.

#32 Posted by Nefarious (19837 posts) - - Show Bio
@Storm Calling: Impressive.
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#33 Posted by PrinceAragorn1 (16835 posts) - - Show Bio

@THUNDERBOLT30 said:

@Storm Calling said:

@Nefarious said:

Fight Fire with Fire. Hmmm... Human Torch wins.

Yamamoto doesn't just have fire attacks though. He has powerful magical abilities called Kido, which allow for him to do a variety of things like sealing people away, binding, teleporting limbs or deflecting attacks.

He has tremendous durability as well. With his zanpaktuto sealed, he was durable enough to contain and absorb a firestorm blast that could have destroyed two cities from the detonation. He was crafty enough to create a powerful kido explosion from his charred arm that incinerated an entire area on release. Definitely one of the best Kido masters on the show.

He has incredible strength, sufficient enough to crack the armor in a very powerful Arrancar in it's released state, and sent him flying through multiple buildings in a city block. Not to mention the fact that when he used both arms he was able to shatter him into pieces. He's literally walked a hole through a massive giant creature and left a giant hole in his chest.

He also has incredible speed, much faster than human, able to react and deflect lightning bolts and keep up with some of the fastest characters on the show., who are incredibly fast and well above human reaction. Johnny wouldn't even have time to say "flame on" before he's dead.

Yeah...saw some video footage of this guy. Johnny is dying. Again.

Very easily convinced?

#34 Posted by Ddecourt (803 posts) - - Show Bio

Yamamoto via superior fighting skill and high level kido.

#35 Posted by Death Certificate (5438 posts) - - Show Bio

Human torch.

#36 Posted by PrinceAragorn1 (16835 posts) - - Show Bio

@Death Certificate said:

Human torch.

Loses.

#37 Posted by Strafe Prower (11887 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm thinking Yamamoto

*LE GASP*

#38 Posted by DarkKnightRises (10 posts) - - Show Bio

Human Torch.

#39 Edited by Death Certificate (5438 posts) - - Show Bio

@PrinceAragorn1 said:

@Death Certificate said:

Human torch.

Loses.

How? Yama can't burn him and he's alot slower than the human torch. Even without the cosmic rod, the torch has better options than yama.

#40 Edited by Ddecourt (803 posts) - - Show Bio

@Death Certificate said:

@PrinceAragorn1 said:

@Death Certificate said:

Human torch.

Loses.

How? Yama can't burn him and he's alot than the human torch. Even without the cosmic rod, the torch has better options than yama.

How's that?

#41 Posted by Death Certificate (5438 posts) - - Show Bio

@Ddecourt: Yama has limits to how much heat he can take, while torch doesn't. Torch has survived hits from annihilus, hulk and terminus.

Torch can distract yama with fire clones, not to mention that torch can simply fly into space and just nova flame the area.

#42 Posted by Ddecourt (803 posts) - - Show Bio

@Death Certificate said:

@Ddecourt: Yama has limits to how much heat he can take, while torch doesn't. Torch has survived hits from annihilus, hulk and terminus.

Torch can distract yama with fire clones, not to mention that torch can simply fly into space and just nova flame the area.

Yama can take alot, while the both times he has tasted defeat have been cause of prep. Otherwise that wouldn't have been the case cause everyone always states that he's so powerful to take head on. Human Torch doesn't have anything of that degree to throw at Yama. The first opportunity Yama gets to hit Johnny with the Double Fist tech, he's destroyed.

#43 Posted by PrinceAragorn1 (16835 posts) - - Show Bio

I still don't see him surviving soul crush by someone on captain level.

#44 Posted by Death Certificate (5438 posts) - - Show Bio

@Ddecourt said:

@Death Certificate said:

@Ddecourt: Yama has limits to how much heat he can take, while torch doesn't. Torch has survived hits from annihilus, hulk and terminus.

Torch can distract yama with fire clones, not to mention that torch can simply fly into space and just nova flame the area.

Yama can take alot, while the both times he has tasted defeat have been cause of prep. Otherwise that wouldn't have been the case cause everyone always states that he's so powerful to take head on. Human Torch doesn't have anything of that degree to throw at Yama. The first opportunity Yama gets to hit Johnny with the Double Fist tech, he's destroyed.

Being powerful in the Bleach universe is hardly worth talking about, also Human Torch is has been able to raise his heat to supernova levels, while yama can barely keep million degrees. Again Torch has survived hits from annihilus, hulk and terminus. Not to mention yama has no answer for Torch flying out of the atmosphere, and just use nova flame.

#45 Posted by Ddecourt (803 posts) - - Show Bio

@Death Certificate said:

@Ddecourt said:

@Death Certificate said:

@Ddecourt: Yama has limits to how much heat he can take, while torch doesn't. Torch has survived hits from annihilus, hulk and terminus.

Torch can distract yama with fire clones, not to mention that torch can simply fly into space and just nova flame the area.

Yama can take alot, while the both times he has tasted defeat have been cause of prep. Otherwise that wouldn't have been the case cause everyone always states that he's so powerful to take head on. Human Torch doesn't have anything of that degree to throw at Yama. The first opportunity Yama gets to hit Johnny with the Double Fist tech, he's destroyed.

Being powerful in the Bleach universe is hardly worth talking about, also Human Torch is has been able to raise his heat to supernova levels, while yama can barely keep million degrees. Again Torch has survived hits from annihilus, hulk and terminus. Not to mention yama has no answer for Torch flying out of the atmosphere, and just use nova flame.

Uh I think that it is debatable to compare the power levels from Bleach and Marvel. In Bleach everyone are speedsters by a standard base and they're so quick that they could almost teleport(for the ones that have high level shunpo) something that Yamamoto has. With the scenario you put up isn't fair to say that Yamamoto reaches up to Johnny before he reacts and hits him with the Double Fist tech I mention earlier and destroys him before he does a thing.

#46 Posted by D3athstroke (3911 posts) - - Show Bio

Yammamoto is far above 100 tons and has hypersonic speed he does not even need bankai to murder johny 

#47 Posted by Storm Calling (3582 posts) - - Show Bio

@Death Certificate: I have never seen Johnny generate supernova level heat. He has named many of his attacks nova flame, but there is no evidence to suggest that he's been able to get his temperatures that hot.

#48 Edited by Death Certificate (5438 posts) - - Show Bio
Uh I think that it is debatable to compare the power levels from Bleach and Marvel.

Bleach doesn't even have planets busters.

In Bleach everyone are speedsters by a standard base and they're so quick that they could almost teleport(for the ones that have high level shunpo) something that Yamamoto has.

Yet most of these character hardly have a speed past mach 30.

With the scenario you put up isn't fair to say that Yamamoto reaches up to Johnny before he reacts and hits him with the Double Fist tech I mention earlier and destroys him before he does a thing.

Yama can't breathe in space, and isn't quick enough to catch up. Even if he did hit him, johnny has taken worst hits.

#49 Posted by the_mighty_Beyonder (701 posts) - - Show Bio

that's unfair, Johnny can absorb all fire base technics that Yammamoto may use, Yammamoto is not a foul he won't use his bankai or even shikai against someone like Johnny, he will simply use his brute strenght, speed (Shunpo), and a versatile list of Kido tehnics that will seal or restrain Johnny from moving. most people are narrow minded and will stick to Yammamoto using Bankai which lead to his defeat, but this is also a battle of strategy, Yammamoto has the upper hand using Strenght, Speed and Kido, he will definitly beat Human Torch.

#50 Posted by ghost_rider1 (3448 posts) - - Show Bio

Human torch loses before he can even say flame-on. One slash from yamammoto would cut johnny in half