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#1 Posted by Fetts (5215 posts) - - Show Bio

Round 1: No prep. Morals off 
Round 2: Spidey is bloodlusted 
 

vs 
#2 Posted by Amazingoctus (3221 posts) - - Show Bio

What Version(s) of Grievous? The origional clone wars version could beat Spiderman both rounds. Movie Grievous will have some trouble but would still win. I suppose I need to ask this too, what version(s) of Spiderman? movie version couldn't beat any form of Grievous, comic version could probably beat movie Grievous.
#3 Posted by Fetts (5215 posts) - - Show Bio
@Amazingoctus said:
What Version(s) of Grievous? The origional clone wars version could beat Spiderman both rounds. Movie Grievous will have some trouble but would still win. I suppose I need to ask this too, what version(s) of Spiderman? movie version couldn't beat any form of Grievous, comic version could probably beat movie Grievous.
Uuummm... to me it's all Grievous and all Spiderman so any version you want I guess.
#4 Edited by Nefarious (28701 posts) - - Show Bio

I have a feeling that the Gen wins here. But, Spidey does have the speed to avoid his lightsaber attacks.

#5 Posted by Amazingoctus (3221 posts) - - Show Bio

@Fetts: Well then I declare spite because I'm using movie Spidey and Clone Wars Grievous! I like Grievous more. Spiderman is lame in my opinion. Webs aren't cool.
#6 Posted by sithfrog (975 posts) - - Show Bio

Tough call on this...I think Spidey's speed and agility are giving him a slight advantage.  After all, it would be similar (not exactly the same) as fighting Doc Ock.  If we're talking Peter before he lost his spider-sense even more so, now that he's without Grievous could get lucky with a blaster shot.  Iron Spider armor or symbiote Spidey gives him more of an edge too.  I like the General, but my gut says Spidey beats him more times than not.
#7 Posted by Owie (4956 posts) - - Show Bio

If we go with EU Grievous and standard comics Spidey (with spidey sense and spidey fu), this is a pretty close battle. I think they're pretty close on speed. Spidey may have an advantage on agility. His spider-sense will help him quite a bit. Grievous is more skilled, and his lightsabers are very dangerous weapons that could put him in shock with a slight touch, and could easily kill with a good blow. The fact that there are 4 of them makes it very hard for Spidey to get close enough to attack back--Spidey's reach is way shorter than Grievous' when Grievous has the lightsabers. Spidey's webs would probably be fairly effective if he manages to actually web up Grievous' arms, since I don't think (although I could be wrong) that Grievous is strong enough to break them--I think it takes about 10 ton strength to do that. Of course, managing to web up his arms is the tough part, since Grievous could melt through the webs if any of his arms/lightsabers remain free. Other than the webs, Spider-Man's main offensive move is just hitting Grievous with punches and kicks; I don't know if Grievous has ever taken hits from a 10-ton punch or kick before, but I expect that repeated blows would be enough to take him out eventually.

I think I give Grievous the teeniest of edges due to his greater reach and more dangerous weapons, which also allow him a measure of extra defense. His greatest difficulty will be overcoming Spider-Man's spidey sense. Maybe 5.5/10 for Grievous.

#8 Posted by NeonGameWave (11631 posts) - - Show Bio

It could go either way.

#9 Edited by Pokergeist (23180 posts) - - Show Bio

Going with Grievous. Spidey has no way to really reach him and Webs are useless when they burn right off the Light Sabers

#10 Posted by JamesKM716 (2018 posts) - - Show Bio

EU Grievous stomps all Spider-Men.

Movie Grievous vs Comic Spider-Man = Spider-Man win

Movie Grievous vs Andrew Garfield Spider-Man = Grievous

Movie Grievous vs Tobey Macguire Spider-Man = Grievous

#11 Posted by dccomicsrule2011 (33829 posts) - - Show Bio

Greivous stomps, he is faster more durable and has something pete can't defend against,a lightsaber.

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#12 Posted by Magethor (1128 posts) - - Show Bio

If Grievous wins, it would be by PIS.

#13 Posted by Thanofleeze (4303 posts) - - Show Bio

Spidey gets cut up bad :(

#14 Posted by Carter_esque (6705 posts) - - Show Bio

Grievous stomps, mismatch

#15 Edited by Edude117 (370 posts) - - Show Bio

@dccomicsrule2011 said:

Greivous stomps, he is faster more durable and has something pete can't defend against,a lightsaber.

Maybe not faster, but most certainly stronger and more durable.

The only way Spiderman wins this is if he somehow get's those lightsabers out of Grievous' hands which he could. It's not too likely, though. He could also spray him with webs 'till Grievous can't even move, but if Grievous has his lightsabers, he'd just cut through the web like butter. Grievous wins this 9/10 times.

#16 Posted by dccomicsrule2011 (33829 posts) - - Show Bio

@edude117: Grevious speed far surpasses anything I've seen from peter TBF.

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#17 Posted by oceanmaster21 (11997 posts) - - Show Bio

Grievous has to much going for him so sorry but peter going down

#18 Posted by Deathstroke19 (3858 posts) - - Show Bio

@fetts: that's my favorite picture of Grievous. He looks so BA in it. @magethor: why is that? Mostly everyone else is disagreeing with you.

As for the battle:

#11 Posted by dccomicsrule2011 (16866 posts) - 10 months, 12 days ago - Show Bio

Greivous stomps, he is faster more durable and has something pete can't defend against,a lightsaber.

#19 Posted by Strider92 (18049 posts) - - Show Bio
#20 Posted by NICK31898 (2270 posts) - - Show Bio

@fetts: that's my favorite picture of Grievous. He looks so BA in it. @magethor: why is that? Mostly everyone else is disagreeing with you.

As for the battle:

#11 Posted by dccomicsrule2011 (16866 posts) - 10 months, 12 days ago - Show Bio

Greivous stomps, he is faster more durable and has something pete can't defend against,a lightsaber.

Faster? More durable? Ha! Look I'm not saying spidey stomps, but he wins. Spidey is indeed faster, MUCH stronger, and he has dodged things much faster than light saber swings.(Automatic bullets). Whats grievous going to when his head is being crushed with a 15 ton pressure force? Plus, spidey is Blood lusted, poor grievous.

#21 Posted by Deathstroke19 (3858 posts) - - Show Bio

@strider92: mobile right now but i can copy and paste a video from the original clone wars series of grievous fighting 6 Jedi if i counted correctly. Two of them being renowned powerful Jedi, Ki Adi Mundi and Shaak Ti.

Here's the video:

Mobile Version:

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WIj7gIDFDe4&app=m

Desktop version:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIj7gIDFDe4

#22 Posted by Deathstroke19 (3858 posts) - - Show Bio
#23 Edited by NICK31898 (2270 posts) - - Show Bio

@nick31898: wait... Are you calling me out for copying @dccomicsrule2011: ? Or are you calling him out? Or both?

I'm calling out whoever said that grievous is faster and more durable, which is definitely not true.

#24 Posted by dccomicsrule2011 (33829 posts) - - Show Bio

@deathstroke19: can you provide some speed feats for Grevious?

Here you go buddy:

Feats for the Grievous

He is built to dominate. The ceramic armorplast plates protecting limbs and torso and face can stop a burst from a starfighter laser cannon.those indestructible arms are ten time stronger then a human,and move with blurring speed of electronic reflexes

-Taken from Revenge Of The Sith

The electrodrivers that powered Grievous's limbs could move faster then the human eye can see; when he swung his arm, it and his fist and his lightsber vanished: wiped from existence by sheer mind-numbing speed speed, an imitation quantum event

-Taken from Revenge Of The Sith

The electrodrivers powering Grievous's mechanical arms let each of the four attack thrice in a single second;integrated by combat agorithms in the bio-droid's electronic network of peripheral processors each of the each of the twelve strikes persecond are from different angle with different speed and intensity ,and unpredictibly broken rhythm of slashes, chops, and stabs of which every single one could take Obi Wan's life

-Taken from Revenge Of The Sith

Grievous, snarling fury, ramped up the intensity and velocity of his attacks-- sixteen per second, eighteen -- until finally at twenty strikes per second he overloaded Obi-Wans defenses

-Taken from Revenge Of The Sith

Grievous stayed right with him , attacking before Obi-Wan could even realize exactly what was happening ,attacking faster than thought--

-Taken from Revenge Of The Sith

I could find more but these are the ones i have on me at the time.

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#25 Posted by Deathstroke19 (3858 posts) - - Show Bio

@dccomicsrule2011: lol thanks for those. I'm mobile so i could only copy and paste that video.

#26 Edited by dccomicsrule2011 (33829 posts) - - Show Bio

@nick31898 said:

@deathstroke19 said:

@nick31898: wait... Are you calling me out for copying @dccomicsrule2011: ? Or are you calling him out? Or both?

I'm calling out whoever said that grievous is faster and more durable, which is definitely not true.

Grievous is faster and more durable then Spider-Man he can tank a shot from a star fighter laser canon:

He is built to dominate. The ceramic armorplast plates protecting limbs and torso and face can stop a burst from a starfighter laser cannon. Those indestructible arms are ten time stronger then a human,and move with blurring speed of electronic reflexes

-Taken from Revenge Of The Sith

That alone proves he's more durable then Peter is.

And for speed has has overwhelmed the defenses of even Obi-Wan, who has deflected blaster bolt from an entire army of droids:

Grievous, snarling fury, ramped up the intensity and velocity of his attacks-- sixteen per second, eighteen -- until finally at twenty strikes per second he overloaded Obi-Wans defenses

-Taken from Revenge Of The Sith

An instant later the Force had him hurtling through a storm of blasterfire as every combat droid in the control center opened up on him at once. Letting go of intention, letting go of desire, letting go of life, Obi-Wan fixed his entire attention on a thread of the Force that pulled him toward Grievous: not where Grievous was, but where Grievous would be when Obi-Wan got there...

Leaping girder to girder, slashing cables on which to swing through swarms of ricocheting particle beams, blade flickering so fast it became a deflector shield that splattered blaster bolts in all directions, his presence alone became a weapon: as he spun and whirled through the control center's superstructure, the blasts of particle cannons from power droids destroyed equipment and shattered girders and unleashed a torrent of red-hot debris that crashed to the deck, crushing droids on all sides.

--Taken from Revenge of the Sith

Throws invisibly fast blows:

The electrodrivers that powered Grievous's limbs could move faster then the human eye can see; when he swung his arm, it and his fist and his lightsber vanished: wiped from existence by sheer mind-numbing speed speed, an imitation quantum event

-Taken from Revenge Of The Sith

Grevious is faster and more durable then Spidey is IMO.

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#27 Edited by ForeverEvil (4887 posts) - - Show Bio

spidey...my fan hood prevents me from picking against him lol

#28 Posted by Carter_esque (6705 posts) - - Show Bio

Rd 1: Grievous

Rd 2: Spidey

#29 Posted by Deathstroke19 (3858 posts) - - Show Bio

@strider92: didnt realize it at the time but Aayla Secura is in that battle as well. So it shows his great speed (his Lightsabers became a a total circle around him and taking on all those Jedi showed him moving extremely fast) agility (leaping around like a grasshopper when he first engages the Jedi and then with him using one of his feet he shows it as well) and skill (taking on 3 extremely powerful Jedi as stated above and 3 other notables).

#30 Posted by Mandarinestro (7649 posts) - - Show Bio

Grievous Round 1, Spidey Round 2.

#31 Edited by i_like_swords (21811 posts) - - Show Bio

Grievous wrecks, both rounds.

#32 Posted by Jkutz (502 posts) - - Show Bio

Spidey wins the first round and absolutely stomps in the second round. No way Grievous beats a modern Peter Parker.

#33 Posted by i_like_swords (21811 posts) - - Show Bio
#34 Posted by Wolverine08 (49065 posts) - - Show Bio

Spidey is bloodlusted

BLOODLUSTED SPIDER-MAN? LOCK THIS THREAD. SPITE.MISMATCH.

#35 Posted by Jkutz (502 posts) - - Show Bio

@i_like_swords: Let's talk about why that is for a second, now we have Spider-Man who has what we call Spider-Sense, which is a 360 degree partial precognition ability. This puts him way over Grievous because he will be constantly telegraphing his moves without realizing it. Spidey also has his martial art, the Way of the Spider, which is specifically tailored to fighting while using Spidey-Sense to it's full capacity and also taking advantage of his incredible agility and strength. Bloodlusted spider-man is an absolute nightmare because he isn't messing around like normal and will put people down fast and brutally(like the time he fought the Sinister Six with the black suit mentality). Grievous isn't touching Spidey and certainly can't hang with a bloodlusted Peter.

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#37 Posted by Mije_101 (1213 posts) - - Show Bio

@jkutz said:

@i_like_swords: Let's talk about why that is for a second, now we have Spider-Man who has what we call Spider-Sense, which is a 360 degree partial precognition ability. This puts him way over Grievous because he will be constantly telegraphing his moves without realizing it.

Grievous slaughters Jedi who have force precognition, so I'm not sure how "spidey sense" will give him the win as easily as you claim.

Spidey also has his martial art, the Way of the Spider, which is specifically tailored to fighting while using Spidey-Sense to it's full capacity and also taking advantage of his incredible agility and strength.

Against 4 lightsabers attacking 20 times a second? Grievous has also slaughtered hundreds of Clones with his bare hands who are not mooks in close quarters either.

Bloodlusted spider-man is an absolute nightmare because he isn't messing around like normal and will put people down fast and brutally(like the time he fought the Sinister Six with the black suit mentality). Grievous isn't touching Spidey and certainly can't hang with a bloodlusted Peter.

He touches Jedi masters, who in the EU, are above Parker speed-wise.

#38 Edited by i_like_swords (21811 posts) - - Show Bio

@jkutz:

Let's talk about why that is for a second, now we have Spider-Man who has what we call Spider-Sense, which is a 360 degree partial precognition ability.

You mean like.. that thing all Jedi have inherently?

This puts him way over Grievous because he will be constantly telegraphing his moves without realizing it.

I kind of fail to see how this will help Spider-Man any better than the various Force Users Grievous has slaughtered. I mean, Obi-Wan Kenobi is precognitive, faster than Spider-Man, and a much better fighter, and Grievous has thrown blows faster than he can register in his mind.

Spidey also has his martial art, the Way of the Spider, which is specifically tailored to fighting while using Spidey-Sense to it's full capacity and also taking advantage of his incredible agility and strength.

That's great and all, but Grievous can kind of analyse your entire fighting style within seconds of engaging you.. so.. even if there wasn't already a disparity in speed and skill, Spidey has that riding against him, so his WotS means nothing.

Bloodlusted spider-man is an absolute nightmare because he isn't messing around like normal and will put people down fast and brutally(like the time he fought the Sinister Six with the black suit mentality). Grievous isn't touching Spidey and certainly can't hang with a bloodlusted Peter.

I fail to see why Grievous' far superior speed, fighting skill, damage output and good looks can't carry him to a victory. Bloodlusted Spider-Man is essentially just a version of Peter who is going to get himself impaled quicker.

#39 Posted by Mije_101 (1213 posts) - - Show Bio
#40 Posted by Jkutz (502 posts) - - Show Bio

@mije_101: First of all, spidey-sense is way different from force precog, force precog is limited to the sensing of danger in an immediate area, Spidey-Sense does that but also telegraphs an opponent's moves which is how he's able to dodge punches from people who aren't speedsters. Secondly Spidey woulnd't have to get close in order to put grevious down because of webbing, as long as Spidey connects even once with webbing he's going down because if people like Adamantium Crusher Creel and the hulk can't break out of it there is no way Grevious is. And hand to hand if it comes down to it without light-sabers, spidey has feats that put him well above 10 tons which would put him at least on equal footing, and with his Way of The Spider martial art that he has spent years mastering and perfecting Grevious isn't going to match that.

#41 Posted by Mije_101 (1213 posts) - - Show Bio
@jkutz said:

@mije_101: First of all, spidey-sense is way different from force precog, force precog is limited to the sensing of danger in an immediate area, Spidey-Sense does that but also telegraphs an opponent's moves which is how he's able to dodge punches from people who aren't speedsters.

Dude, what? Force precog is seeing moments into the future, it DOES telegraph the opponent's attacks...

Secondly Spidey woulnd't have to get close in order to put grevious down because of webbing, as long as Spidey connects even once with webbing he's going down because if people like Adamantium Crusher Creel and the hulk can't break out of it there is no way Grevious is.

Grievous dodges force pushes and outruns blaster bolts, I doubt Spidey's web is going to trip him up.

And hand to hand if it comes down to it without light-sabers, spidey has feats that put him well above 10 tons which would put him at least on equal footing, and with his Way of The Spider martial art that he has spent years mastering and perfecting Grevious isn't going to match that.

Cool, good luck disarming the General lol.

#42 Posted by i_like_swords (21811 posts) - - Show Bio

@jkutz said:

force precog is limited to the sensing of danger in an immediate area, Spidey-Sense does that but also telegraphs an opponent's moves

Eh, nope, the Force does that too.

For example, Darth Maul was seeing Pre Viszla's moves coming before they happened during their fight.

Vizsla was an excellent duelist - strong, graceful, and able to sense what an opponent's smallest movement indicated would happen next. But for all that, Vizsla could not sense the Force. He would never be able to see things before they happened, or command the laws of the universe to bend for him.

Star Wars The Clone Wars: Darth Maul Shadow Conspiracy
#43 Edited by Wolfrazer (9770 posts) - - Show Bio

@i_like_swords: Also Qui-Gon literally sates this in Ep 1.

"He sees things before they happen, it's a Jedi trait."

Hence why Anakin was also the only human to ever be able to pilot a podracer.

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#44 Posted by Jkutz (502 posts) - - Show Bio

@i_like_swords: Oh I didn't know that, that's a cool little tidbit, but it still doesn't change the fact that Spidey has dodged things like light sabers using spider-sense and the Way of the Spider

#45 Edited by i_like_swords (21811 posts) - - Show Bio

@jkutz said:

@i_like_swords: Oh I didn't know that, that's a cool little tidbit, but it still doesn't change the fact that Spidey has dodged things like light sabers using spider-sense and the Way of the Spider

Honestly, "has dodged things like lightsabers" isn't even an argument, man. I don't think you know enough about Grievous to be calling an accurate decision on this one.

#46 Posted by i_like_swords (21811 posts) - - Show Bio

@i_like_swords: Also Qui-Gon literally sates this in Ep 1.

"He sees things before they happen, it's a Jedi trait."

Hence why Anakin was also the only human to ever be able to pilot a podracer.

Yep. It's funny, stuff like Jedi having precog basically goes without saying in normal SW threads, but then when you go into a mixed thread you actually need to dig up sources for it.

#47 Posted by Jkutz (502 posts) - - Show Bio

@i_like_swords: Well explain then, what is he going to throw at him that he isn't going to be able to dodge that is faster than what he has feats for.

#48 Edited by i_like_swords (21811 posts) - - Show Bio

@jkutz said:

@i_like_swords: Well explain then, what is he going to throw at him that he isn't going to be able to dodge that is faster than what he has feats for.

Obi-Wan Kenobi has perceived and reacted to a ship moving at "a respectable fraction of light speed", and has deflected blaster fire from an army composed of thousands of droids.

Credit to ShootingNova for these quotes.

Droids closing rapidly on their tails, cannonfire stitching space on all sides, the two Jedi pulled their ships through perfectly mirrored rolls that sent them streaking head-on for each other from opposite ends of a vast Republic cruiser. For merely human pilots, this would be suicide. By the time you can see your partner's starfighter streaking toward you at a respectable fraction of lightspeed, it's already too late for your merely human reflexes to react.

But these particular pilots were far from merely human.

The Force nudged hands on control yokes and the Jedi starfighters twisted and flashed past each other belly-to-belly, close enough to scorch each other's paint.

Source: Revenge of the Sith

An instant later the Force had him hurtling through a storm of blasterfire as every combat droid in the control center opened up on him at once. Letting go of intention, letting go of desire, letting go of life, Obi-Wan fixed his entire attention on a thread of the Force that pulled him toward Grievous: not where Grievous was, but where Grievous would be when Obi-Wan got there...

Leaping girder to girder, slashing cables on which to swing through swarms of ricocheting particle beams, blade flickering so fast it became a deflector shield that splattered blaster bolts in all directions, his presence alone became a weapon: as he spun and whirled through the control center's superstructure, the blasts of particle cannons from power droids destroyed equipment and shattered girders and unleashed a torrent of red-hot debris that crashed to the deck, crushing droids on all sides.

Source: Revenge of the Sith

This is what Grievous was doing to him during their fight:

The electrodrivers that powered Grievous's limbs could move them faster than the human eye can see; when he swung his arm, it and his fist and the lightsaber within it would literally vanish: wiped from existence by sheer mind-numbing speed, an imitation quantum event. No human being could move remotely as fast as Grievous, not even Obi-Wan - but he didn't have to.

Source - Revenge of the Sith

Grievous, snarling fury, ramped up the intensity and velocity of his attacks - sixteen per second, eighteen - until finally, at twenty strikes per second, he overloaded Obi-Wan's defense.

Source - Revenge of the Sith

He snarled,"Do you think I am foolish enough to arm my bodyguards with weapons that can actually hurt me?"

Instead of waiting for an answer he spun, heaving Obi-Wan right off the deck with effortless strength, whipping him up over his head to slam him to the deck with killing power; Obi-Wan could only let go of the staff and allow the Force to angle his fall into a stumbling roll. Grievous sprang after him, swinging the electrostaff and slamming it across Obi-Wan's flank before the Jedi Master could recover his balance. The impact sent Obi-Wan tumbling sideways and the electroburst discharge set his robe on fire. Grievous stayed right with him, attacking before Obi-Wan could even realize exactly what was happening, attacking faster than thought -

But Obi-Wan didn't need to think. The Force was with him, and he knew.

Source - Revenge of the Sith

Peter isn't going to know what hit him, Spider Sense or not.

#49 Posted by Jkutz (502 posts) - - Show Bio

@i_like_swords: Well yeah, now it seems like a huge mismatch, thanks for those feats too, the only knowledge I had of Grevious was from the movies, yeah Peter can't take him.

#50 Posted by i_like_swords (21811 posts) - - Show Bio