#1 Posted by Assman (1875 posts) - - Show Bio

Lord Voldermort & Albus Dumbledore set aside their differences when they feel a powerfull new magic presence....Gandalf The White, and in an act of self preservation, take the fight to him.  Can they take him down? Can they defeat the power of a Mair?
 

                                                                                                      Gandalf The White
 
                                                                                                                          vs
 
                                                                                                   Lord Voldermort  and
 
  
1. Movie Versions
2. Book Versions
 
Bonus Battle: Sauron (with his one ring) vs Dumbledore & Voldermort at the Black Gates of Mordor.
#2 Posted by Erik (33327 posts) - - Show Bio

Gandalf WTFSTOMPS them.

#3 Posted by Renee (10265 posts) - - Show Bio

Dumbledore and Voldemort are fairly the same power wise in the books and movies. Book Gandalf was more powerful than his movie version IIRC. I would go with Mithrandir for both. And for the BB def Sauron. He's deceived some of the greatest minds in Middle-Earth, he could turn Dumbledore and Voldemort on each other.

#4 Posted by venomoushatred1001 (12273 posts) - - Show Bio
@erik said:
Gandalf WTFSTOMPS them.
#5 Posted by BigCimmerian (8862 posts) - - Show Bio

I think the winner is Gandalf.

#6 Posted by Primebonnick (2947 posts) - - Show Bio

Gandalf even though i'm a big albus fan. He will put up a better fight than voldemort that i'm sure of

#7 Posted by Sega_Shaman (367 posts) - - Show Bio

Gandalf easily takes this.

#8 Posted by czarny_samael666 (17174 posts) - - Show Bio

1.Gandalf stomps.
2.Gandalf wins.
 
His magic simply come form world exsiting.

#9 Posted by RedheadedAtrocitus (6836 posts) - - Show Bio

Gandalf...he's one of the Maiar named Olorin so he's technically a god in the reckoning of Middle Earth.

#10 Posted by CapitolPunishment (2303 posts) - - Show Bio

@erik said:

Gandalf WTFSTOMPS them.


 

This.

 

Not only with magic, If he wanted to do so he can negate most of there magic abilities by breaking there wands, he can then take it to them pure H2H for a nice old fashioned  
curb-stomp.

#11 Posted by MKF30 (11528 posts) - - Show Bio
@Sega_Shaman said:
Gandalf easily takes this.
This.
#12 Posted by Killemall (18607 posts) - - Show Bio
@czarny_samael said:
1.Gandalf stomps. 2.Gandalf wins.  His magic simply come form world exsiting.
#13 Posted by Iron_Turtle (582 posts) - - Show Bio

Gandalf unleashes the pimp hand on both occasions.

#14 Posted by GreenFuse (295 posts) - - Show Bio

Double avada kedavras = extra dead Gandalf.  

#15 Posted by MKF30 (11528 posts) - - Show Bio

Gandalf would win no doubt. Better feats, more powerful and is an eternal entity...

#16 Posted by Kingjohnrocks (2008 posts) - - Show Bio

Alright, seriously?

Voldemort can:

Teleport at instant

Conjure up wandless fire storms and transfigure things without a wand

He can go invisible without a cloak (just like Dumbledore)

I shall join you in the castle shortly," he said in his high, cold voice. "Leave me now."

Snape bowed and set off back up the path, his black cloak billowing behind him. Harry walked slowly, waiting for Snape's figure to disappear. It would not do for Snape, or indeed anyone else, to see where he was going. But there were no lights in the castle windows, and he could conceal himself... and in a second he had cast upon himself a Disillusionment Charm that hid him even from his own eyes.

Taken From: Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows

But then, through the darkness, fire erupted: crimson and gold, a ring of fire that surrounded the rock so that the Inferi holding Harry so tightly stumbled and faltered; they did not dare pass through the flames to get to the water. They dropped Harry; he hit the ground, slipped on the rock, and fell, grazing his arms, then scrambled back up, raising his wand and staring around.

Dumbledore was on his feet again, pale as any of the surrounding Inferi, but taller than any too, the fire dancing in his eyes; his wand was raised like a torch and from its tip emanated the flames, like a vast lasso, encircling them all with warmth.

The Inferi bumped into each other, attempting, blindly, to escape the fire in which they were enclosed...

Dumbledore scooped the locket from the bottom of the stone basin and stowed it inside his robes. Wordlessly, he gestured to Harry to come to his side. Distracted by the flames, the Inferi seemed unaware that their quarry was leaving as Dumbledore led Harry back to the boat, the ring of fire moving with them, around them, the bewildered Inferi accompanying them to the waters edge, where they slipped gratefully back into their dark waters.

Taken From: Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince

Dumbledore did this, WHILE he was WEAK.

"I am weak..." he said.

Taken From: Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince

That feat alone is enough to kill Gandalf. So as Dumbledore sorches him, Voldemort fires Avada Kedavra. Bye Bye gandalf.

#17 Posted by MKF30 (11528 posts) - - Show Bio

You obviously don't have any idea how powerful Gandalf is, Gandalf the White would stomp Voldemort and Dumbledore with little effort..

#18 Posted by PrinceAragorn1 (20260 posts) - - Show Bio

...And Gandalf is one of the Gods in the books. How exactly teleportion and a bag of tricks going to help against a God?

Gandalf still takes this easily, a spite of great proportion considering op mentions 'power of a maiar'.

#19 Posted by isaac_clarke (5479 posts) - - Show Bio

Dear god so many banned accounts back from the dead.

#20 Edited by rolldestroyer (3508 posts) - - Show Bio

1. team stomps

2. gandalf stomps

#21 Posted by theONEtaichou (1564 posts) - - Show Bio

Team wins both rounds, I don't see any difficulty in any fight.

#22 Edited by Vaeternus (9410 posts) - - Show Bio

...And Gandalf is one of the Gods in the books. How exactly teleportion and a bag of tricks going to help against a God?

Gandalf still takes this easily, a spite of great proportion considering op mentions 'power of a maiar'.

Agreed

#23 Posted by Kingjohnrocks (2008 posts) - - Show Bio

@princearagorn1: Had to reply.

You realize, only versions that would win against Dumbledore or Voldemort would be the unlimited, immortal versions. RIght? So basically, Dumbledore and Voldemort stomp him.

#24 Posted by Vaeternus (9410 posts) - - Show Bio

@princearagorn1, great point. Agreed, Gandalf murks the other two

#25 Edited by PrinceAragorn1 (20260 posts) - - Show Bio

@kingjohnrocks: *sigh* read the op at least. It says "power of a maiar". Meaning full form.

#26 Posted by SSJLozza (1528 posts) - - Show Bio

Gandalf stomps both rounds, and Sauron stomps in the bonus round.

#27 Posted by dondave (38893 posts) - - Show Bio

Gandalf

#28 Posted by Scarbearer (745 posts) - - Show Bio

Well just to play a bit of devils advocate here.... in Middle Earth magic is a very indirect thing. Out side of dragons and balrogs breathing so fire, I don't think you will find an example of Gandalf or anyone slinging magic that directly puts a hurtin' on somebody. So even though Gandalf is vastly more powerful than the two combined, the kind of magic he works is not as precise as throwing a lighting bolt or a fire ball straight through an enemies chest, which is an advantage I think the team has over him.

That said... this is still Gandalf's fight to loose and I think he's got it in him to take these two down, just maybe not as easily as we all want to think.

#29 Edited by Kingjohnrocks (2008 posts) - - Show Bio

@dondave @ssjlozza

FYI, they only win becasue they're in their full forms. They are gods in this forms. Outside of their forms, they get stomped.

#30 Edited by SSJLozza (1528 posts) - - Show Bio

@kingjohnrocks: Gandalf is not a god lol he's a Maia, which is below a Valar which is below Eru who is god of Arda. Maiar spirits are basically lesser angels. Gandalf the Gray could have defeated either of them 1v1 or possibly soloed, but this is so one sided it's not even funny. The HP verse just isn't that strong.

#31 Posted by Kingjohnrocks (2008 posts) - - Show Bio

@ssjlozza: In his full form, that's the only version he wins. They are god-like in that version. But, in his human version, he loses. That's a fact.

#32 Edited by SSJLozza (1528 posts) - - Show Bio

@kingjohnrocks: They are also in their full forms so it's a fair fight- in fact if anything it's unfair cos it's 2v1! Even at his weakest Gandalf was not a human he was an Istari and would still have defaeted either of the HP wizards 1v1.

#33 Edited by SpawNgengiskhaN (192 posts) - - Show Bio

I've never read the books but based on just the movies, I would have to agree that Gandalf would definitely have his work cut out for him.

Obviously all three of these Wizards are very intelligent and are very gifted. Gandalf is obviously very powerful, but we cannot deny that Voldemort and Dumbledore alone are powerful too, let alone when they are working together.

I'll start with the Harry Potter Wizards first.

Both Voldemort and Dumbledore can use these spells...there are so many spells but I'll list the most effective spells.

Accio - This charm summons an object to the caster, potentially over a significant distance. A broom for example.

Aguamenti - Produces a jet of water from the caster's wand.

Avada Kedavra - Killing curse... need I say more?

Confringo - Causes anything to explode in flames.

Confundo - Causes the victim to become confused, befuddled, overly forgetful and prone to follow simple orders without thinking about them.

Crucio (Cruciatus Curse) - Causes the victim unbearable pain and torture.

Deprimo - A very powerful wind that can loosen and/or soften a variety of things; it can also be used to detach objects.

Evanesco - Makes the target vanish.

Expelliarmus - This spell is used to disarm another wizard, typically by causing the victim's wand to fly out of reach. This spell could be used on Gandalfs staff too.

Expulso - A spell that causes an object to explode. The force of the explosion may depend on the intent of the caster.

Impedimenta - This powerful spell is capable of tripping, freezing, binding, knocking back and generally impeding the target's progress towards the caster.

Imperio (Imperius Curse) - Causes the victim of the curse to obey the spoken/unspoken commands of the caster.

Incarcerous - Ties someone or something up with ropes.

Incendio - Produces fire. Flames burst out flying.

Petrificus Totalus - Causes the victim to be paralyzed in a standing up position which then causes the victim to fall to the ground, unable to move. Hermione used this on Neville Longbottom.

Protego - The Shield Charm. Causes minor to strong jinxes, curses, and hexes to rebound upon the attacker, or at least prevents them from having their full effect. It can also cause a shield to erupt from the caster's wand.

Reducto - Enables the caster to explode solid objects.

Sectumsempra - Violently wounds the target; described as being as though the subject had been "slashed by a sword".

Stupefy - Puts the victim in an unconscious state.

Wingardium Leviosa - Levitates objects. For example, both Wizards could strip Gandalfs staff away from him with this spell... just saying....

Now there are other spells that I didn't mention, but how would Gandalf go about stopping both Voldemort and Dumbledore from using "Avada Kedavra" for example, which is a spell that instantly kills a victim if hit by it? This is obviously the most powerful spell, but there are also other powerful spells above that are at Dumbledore and Voldemorts disposal. I don't think Gandalf is going to have an "easy" time defeating these 2 like some people think.

With that being said at least I can't deny myself the simple logic that Voldemort and Dumbledore certainly STAND A CHANCE against Gandalf... hell I would say that Gandalf would be in for a huge fight and might even be beaten.

As far as the books, I don't know what Gandalf can actually do besides what I have seen in the movies. If I was going off the movies, then I would say that Gandalf would have enough trouble with just one of these wizards, Dumbledore or Voldemort. I think if this is movie based then Gandalf would lose. As far as the books, someone else enlighten me.

As far as the BB... Sauron takes this I'm pretty sure of it.

I'm also not playing favorites at all because I love all of these characters and I love both set of movies equally. They are all great movies.

#34 Posted by SpawNgengiskhaN (192 posts) - - Show Bio

Holy. I just realized this was posted a year and 9 months ago.

#35 Posted by Kingjohnrocks (2008 posts) - - Show Bio

@ssjlozza: No. You have no factual bases. In his full form, he is god-like. However, in his human form he can be killed. He wouldn't solo them in his human form or any other form then his full form.

@spawngengiskhan: Do you agree, that in his full form Gandalf would win, but in other forms he wouldn't? Hell, there's not even feats for his full form, but if they are truly unrestricted then they can do much. So in unrestricted form they can win, otherwise Gandalf gets stomped.

Do you agree?

#36 Posted by SpawNgengiskhaN (192 posts) - - Show Bio

@kingjohnrocks: In Gandalfs unrestricted full form I think he would just come back to life even if he was killed. Gandalf would get killed in just his human form. In my opinion the only way I see Gandalf "technically" winning this battle is because he is basically a "God" in true form and will come back to life. Other than that I think the 2 HP Wizards would win but Gandalf wouldn't go without a fight. I would like to say there is something Gandalf could do against the 2 Wizards, but I honestly cannot imagine Gandalf winning this fight especially when I don't know much about Gandalfs magic other than what I have seen in the LOTR movies. The way I see it, if you put the magic that Voldemort and Dumbledore are capable of against the magic that I think Gandalf is capable of then the 2 Harry Potter Wizards will stomp Gandalf almost every time unless someone proves me wrong. If someone can prove to me that Gandalf would be able to block an "Avada Kedavra" from both Wizards then I will change my stance. Other than that, the only way I see Gandalf coming back is in true form only because of the fact that he would technically be a God in this form.

I am confused on this statement.... "So in unrestricted form they can win, otherwise Gandalf gets stomped." Are you implying that Dumbledore and Voldemort have unrestricted and restricted forms? In my opinion Voldemort and Dumbledore only have one form and that is definitely unrestricted because why would they fight in restricted forms and if they have restricted forms, what forms of them are restricted?

I guess some people would possibly say that Voldemort has different forms as far as coming back to life just like Gandalf does. Voldemort used the Horcruxes to come back to life. My assumption of Voldemort's form in this particular battle is the form when all of Voldemorts Horcruxes were destroyed. That way if Gandalf wins Voldemort is killed for good. Gandalf basically needs the unrestricted form to win against both of these Wizards, but I guess some could mention that while Gandalf is in his unrestricted form, would Voldemort have the ability to use Horcruxes in this battle? Or is it fair for Voldemort not to be able to use the Horcruxes since he has Dumbledore on his side? If Gandalf is in unrestricted "God-form" he could just keep coming back with plans to take out Dumbledore and once Dumbledore is out of the way, Gandalf would have to destroy Voldemorts Horcrux in order to actually "kill" him. So, technically Gandalf in unrestricted form is "apparently" immortal. Gandalf has a slim chance of winning without the power of immortality IMO, and with immortality he is obviously going to win every time just as long as he realizes that he has to destroy Voldemort's horcruxes. I may be going too in depth with this, but this is just the way I see it.

#37 Edited by Vaeternus (9410 posts) - - Show Bio

I've never read the books but based on just the movies, I would have to agree that Gandalf would definitely have his work cut out for him.

Obviously all three of these Wizards are very intelligent and are very gifted. Gandalf is obviously very powerful, but we cannot deny that Voldemort and Dumbledore alone are powerful too, let alone when they are working together.

I'll start with the Harry Potter Wizards first.

Both Voldemort and Dumbledore can use these spells...there are so many spells but I'll list the most effective spells.

Accio - This charm summons an object to the caster, potentially over a significant distance. A broom for example.

Aguamenti - Produces a jet of water from the caster's wand.

Avada Kedavra - Killing curse... need I say more?

Confringo - Causes anything to explode in flames.

Confundo - Causes the victim to become confused, befuddled, overly forgetful and prone to follow simple orders without thinking about them.

Crucio (Cruciatus Curse) - Causes the victim unbearable pain and torture.

Deprimo - A very powerful wind that can loosen and/or soften a variety of things; it can also be used to detach objects.

Evanesco - Makes the target vanish.

Expelliarmus - This spell is used to disarm another wizard, typically by causing the victim's wand to fly out of reach. This spell could be used on Gandalfs staff too.

Expulso - A spell that causes an object to explode. The force of the explosion may depend on the intent of the caster.

Impedimenta - This powerful spell is capable of tripping, freezing, binding, knocking back and generally impeding the target's progress towards the caster.

Imperio (Imperius Curse) - Causes the victim of the curse to obey the spoken/unspoken commands of the caster.

Incarcerous - Ties someone or something up with ropes.

Incendio - Produces fire. Flames burst out flying.

Petrificus Totalus - Causes the victim to be paralyzed in a standing up position which then causes the victim to fall to the ground, unable to move. Hermione used this on Neville Longbottom.

Protego - The Shield Charm. Causes minor to strong jinxes, curses, and hexes to rebound upon the attacker, or at least prevents them from having their full effect. It can also cause a shield to erupt from the caster's wand.

Reducto - Enables the caster to explode solid objects.

Sectumsempra - Violently wounds the target; described as being as though the subject had been "slashed by a sword".

Stupefy - Puts the victim in an unconscious state.

Wingardium Leviosa - Levitates objects. For example, both Wizards could strip Gandalfs staff away from him with this spell... just saying....

Now there are other spells that I didn't mention, but how would Gandalf go about stopping both Voldemort and Dumbledore from using "Avada Kedavra" for example, which is a spell that instantly kills a victim if hit by it? This is obviously the most powerful spell, but there are also other powerful spells above that are at Dumbledore and Voldemorts disposal. I don't think Gandalf is going to have an "easy" time defeating these 2 like some people think.

With that being said at least I can't deny myself the simple logic that Voldemort and Dumbledore certainly STAND A CHANCE against Gandalf... hell I would say that Gandalf would be in for a huge fight and might even be beaten.

As far as the books, I don't know what Gandalf can actually do besides what I have seen in the movies. If I was going off the movies, then I would say that Gandalf would have enough trouble with just one of these wizards, Dumbledore or Voldemort. I think if this is movie based then Gandalf would lose. As far as the books, someone else enlighten me.

As far as the BB... Sauron takes this I'm pretty sure of it.

I'm also not playing favorites at all because I love all of these characters and I love both set of movies equally. They are all great movies.

The book version is immensly more powerful then the film version, kind of like Batman he simply doesn't compare to his comic book version of the character. If you read more on gandalf, trust me lol you'd see he'd own these two.

#38 Edited by SpawNgengiskhaN (192 posts) - - Show Bio

@vaeternus: Thanks, I may read the books sometime. I figured that Gandalf could do "more" than what he shows in the movies.

#39 Posted by GalacticRavenous (350 posts) - - Show Bio

This is not an fair battle. Even dumbledore himself knows more magic. He studied the words for like 100 years and knows over 1000 different of spells. he solo

#40 Posted by leonkarlen123 (5611 posts) - - Show Bio

The combined power of them two eould be too much