Gambit & X-23 versus Lizard & Kraven

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#1  Edited By texasdeathmatch

Team 1: Gambit and

X-23

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Team 2: Lizard and Kraven (Alyosha)

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Round 1: X-Men Mansion

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Rules:

  • Random encounter / no prep
  • Morals on
  • Team 2 is located outside / Team 1 is located inside
  • Gambit is armed with standard gear: deck of cards and bo staff
  • Alyosha is armed with a hunting net, hunting knives, spear, and smoke grenades
  • Pre-Shed Lizard
  • Team 2 is assaulting the mansion to kidnap a student but unaware that Team 1 is present

Round 2: Jungle

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Rules:

  • Team 2 is on the run
  • Team 1 has 20 min of prep / brief description of their targets' powers and abilities
  • Alyosha is armed with a hunting net, hunting knives, spear (all adamantium), and smoke grenades
  • Gambit is armed with several decks of cards and an adamanitum bo staff
  • Pre-Shed Lizard
  • In character, but Team 1 is willing to kill team 2
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#2  Edited By k4tzm4n  Moderator

Awesome thread.

Before anyone tries to say it: no, Gambit won't use his death powers and the X-Mansion won't have any defensive advantages for the X-team.

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#3  Edited By ThatThorFan

@scholiosis: Your weak and desperate.

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#4  Edited By KainScion

@k4tzm4n: isnt he colorful? http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles/7/comicvine-moron-free-for-all-who-is-the-biggest-moron-of-them-all/679041/#1

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#5  Edited By texasdeathmatch

...so how bout that thread?

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#6  Edited By KainScion

@texasdeathmatch: how strong/fast is the pre-shed lizard?

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#7  Edited By k4tzm4n  Moderator

@KainScion: 12 ton strength. Speed to keep up with Spider-Man, but not as agile.

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#8  Edited By nefarious

Team 1.

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#9  Edited By ThatThorFan

I would enjoy seeing X 23 and Lizard go at it. That would be a nice battle.

Round 1 - Im going with Team 1. Kraven doesn't have much weapons to use against the team. To me he is the weakest in Round 1 and will be put off rather quickly. Then Gambit and x 23 gang up and eventually destroy Lizard.

Round 2 - This one is rather equal. Lizard can use the location to his advantage... Kraven as well. Im going with Team 2 simply because of the location.

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#10  Edited By Strider1992

Round 1:

Well it won't really matter if Team 2 doesn't know they are there to begin with because both Lizard and Aloysha have very good tracking senses they'll smell them as soon as they get in range. Its tough because having Gambit there could swing it either way. So i'm undecided on this round.

Round 2:

Team 2 takes this imo. The terrain favors them. Lizard can move very quickly through the jungle and his communication with reptiles could cause Team 1 some serious problems (For example: Gambit getting bitten by multiple poisonous snakes putting him out of the game).

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#11  Edited By KainScion

hhmmm. tough to call. x-23 is a big help due to her HF but she cant take as much punishment as wolverine; she is skilled and a good tracker. so is alyosha. gambit is the weak link in team 1. hes good at a distance but close he loses. alyosha the same. so team 2 in the mansion due to close quarters, my money down to x-23 and lizard. the jungle could go either way. laura, alyosha and the lizard are in their element but i dont see gambit making any headway there. but still im more inclined to go with team 2. x-23 can heal but she doesnt have unbreakable bones and the lizard can easily rip her appart. gambit again out of his element and that forest looks thick as hell so it offers great cover. team 2 for both i guess.

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#12  Edited By Strafe Prower

Great match. Im thinking team 1 can take round 1. Round 2 is a bit harder.

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#13  Edited By sandiego008

This might not make sense .. but im inclined to go team 2 round 1 and team 1 round 2 ... due to terrain.

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#14  Edited By sandiego008

maybe im missing something but it seems IMO .. people are overestimating kraven against gambit ... i know kraven isn't a pushover ... but gambit is a bonafide bad ass himself ..

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#15  Edited By texasdeathmatch
@sandiego008 said:

This might not make sense .. but im inclined to go team 2 round 1 and team 1 round 2 ... due to terrain.

What makes you say that?
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#16  Edited By sandiego008

round 1 terrain ... team 1 is on the run ... and are forced into close combat situations ... and the mansion, although not kravens typical terrain, has a lot of trap potential. This basically allows for them to get a jump on gambit and force h2h combat with him. He is very skilled here especially with his bo staff ... but the enclosed combat situations favor team 1 .. especially if they track and slowly make sure they can catch them off guard. Not to mention x-23's ability to track is no where near wolverine .. she wont be able to sense them if they are above below behind or in front of them ... if they are in those spots behind walls.

round 2 ... gambit although in a jungle .. isn't really trapped by terrain and walls and stuff ... he just has to be agile enough to dodge and move around trees which he is more than capable of. x-23 only has to track opponents around her in an open area ... not an enclosed area .. thus the wind will help her find them here. Gambit can unleash. This does put lizard and kraven more in their comfort zone but giving gambit a clear shot and x-23 more of an ability to track and see attacks coming at her ... should give team 1 should have the advantage here.

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#17  Edited By k4tzm4n  Moderator

@texasdeathmatch:

  • Team 2 is located outside / Team 1 is located inside
  • Team 2 is assaulting the mansion to kidnap a student but unaware that Team 1 is present

So then is it safe to assume round 1 will take place in the mansion or should we assume the X-Men are running out to attack them as well?

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#18  Edited By BringnIt

What are regular Gambit's best combat feats? He seems like the weak link to me based on feats.

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#19  Edited By jashro44

If gambit keeps his distance he can beat Aloysha. Lizard vs x-23 I don't know....I think I will give it to team 1 in a really tough fight in round 1. Round 2 I would say the terrain favors kraven and lizard. But its a toss up...

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#21  Edited By TDK_1997

Round 1 to Team 1,Round 2 to Team 2.

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#22  Edited By texasdeathmatch
@k4tzm4n said:

@texasdeathmatch:

  • Team 2 is located outside / Team 1 is located inside
  • Team 2 is assaulting the mansion to kidnap a student but unaware that Team 1 is present

So then is it safe to assume round 1 will take place in the mansion or should we assume the X-Men are running out to attack them as well?

I had pictured the fight to be inside, since Team 2 is assaulting the mansion
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#23  Edited By karetaker

@KainScion: u think x-23 is more skilled than gambit?

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#24  Edited By KainScion

@karetaker: i know she is.

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#25  Edited By karetaker

@KainScion: as in purely h2h or in a fair fight in like a bar

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#26  Edited By KainScion

@karetaker: both

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#27  Edited By karetaker

@KainScion: oh no..no no no no no.

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#28  Edited By KainScion

@karetaker: prove me wrong good sir.

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#29  Edited By karetaker

@KainScion: gambit is agile enough to effectively evade her long enough to not get tagged and as enough fire power to bring her down.

in a fair fight like a parking lot or bar or auto zone gambit should win

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#30  Edited By KainScion

@karetaker: show dont tell

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#31  Edited By Hero4life

@karetaker said:

@KainScion: gambit is agile enough to effectively evade her long enough to not get tagged and as enough fire power to bring her down.

in a fair fight like a parking lot or bar or auto zone gambit should win

He can't show you cuz there is now way of that.

In all fairness none of this is fair. Team 2 has the advantage both rounds.

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#32  Edited By KainScion

@karetaker: x-23 did this:

note the time it took her to do it.

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#33  Edited By Hero4life

@KainScion said:

@karetaker: x-23 did this:

note the time it took her to do it.

You clearly never read a Gambit comic. They don't have it now, but maybe you should go find some.

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#34  Edited By KainScion

@Hero4life: oh i have seen gambit in action. plenty of times. he cant take x-23. and like ive said before: give me proof. dont give me the empty 'you havent read blah blah'.

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#35  Edited By Hero4life

@KainScion:

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#36  Edited By karetaker

@Hero4life: 12 minutes and one second is not impressive hold on i have some scans

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#37  Edited By Hero4life

@karetaker: I don't think your arguing with me bro. So I don't know why you replied to me. I'm on your side. I already showed some scans of Gambit doing better.

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#38  Edited By KainScion

@Hero4life: and this proves what? h2h skill, speed?

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#39  Edited By karetaker
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@KainScion said:

@karetaker: x-23 did this:

note the time it took her to do it.

i mostly have agility feats but gambit is very capably of evading x-23 for an entire fight without much trouble

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#40  Edited By karetaker

@Hero4life: my bad i tagged u by mistake i meant to tagg @KainScion:

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#41  Edited By KainScion

@karetaker: did you even look at my pics? she took out at least 7 guys armed at close range without even a bullet hitting her. i think it beats gambit being shot at by 1 guy.

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#42  Edited By karetaker

@KainScion: it took her 12 minutes. gambit would have walked in there played 52 pick up and it would have taken 12 seconds

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#43  Edited By jashro44

Has this turned into gambit vs x-23?

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#44  Edited By karetaker

@jashro44: i hope so.has that been done?

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#45  Edited By jashro44

@karetaker: Yea.

http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles/7/gambit-vs-x-23/381728/

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#46  Edited By karetaker

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#47  Edited By KainScion

@karetaker: the clock is counting down. its 5 minutes. less than a minute per combatant. but jashro is right. we should go to the actual battle.

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#48  Edited By jashro44

@karetaker:LOL well you guys could bring it over there and necro it. If you guys have some points that haven't been addressed then you could add to it.

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#49  Edited By karetaker

@KainScion: ok well i say gambit and the person he would beat wins round one because they know the environment and gambit brings a ranged attack that os very effective with the ability to dodge any of kravens ranged weapons.

i give round 2 to team one also because team 2 wont be getting the jump on them in the jungle because x-23 will smell were they are giving them time to prepare neutralizing team 2s advantage

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#50  Edited By karetaker

@jashro44: after i build up a case i just might do that. but that fight with x-23 in the jungle so it could still be argued gambit looses there :(