Gambit vs Batman

" @Tian said:

"The rules state we're talking about classic Gambit. I assume that means he has to make physical contact, and he can't use his powers that would allow him to fly or heal himself either. "

I stated this to him as well. However there is nothing stopping Gambit from charging Batmans armor or cape. Like the first scan he provided. "

Batman wins. Gambit blows something up and runs off trying to use the terrain. Batman stalks him and ends up turning Gambits running against him through a trap or gadget. 
 
I don't see Gambit just charging in at Batman, but if he did there's a chance he catches Batman in an explosion. If he doesn't then Batman hits him with a precise Batarang. Fight over. I don't see Batman losing this one except in an explosion. And Gambit wouldn't blindly blown up his hometown even if there are no innocent bystanders.

"I don't see how... Guy with weapons, and equipments to take down most of the superpowered beings in his universe, who'll will use the shadows and play mind games on his opponents, and use fear as a weapon.   As opposed to the guy in the bright Red,Blue, and White with a Shield, kicking the crap out of just about anything that he encounters. "

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"  @yodagod:  "Since he is no longer restricted to inorganic matter, and doesn't have to make physical contact."  The rules state we're talking about classic Gambit. I assume that means he has to make physical contact and limited to inorganic matter, and he can't use his powers that would allow him to fly or heal himself either. "

" @Red_Blade said:

"Gambit can't fight "

Yet we have seen him stalemate Daredevil. "

" @Tian said:

"  @yodagod:  "Since he is no longer restricted to inorganic matter, and doesn't have to make physical contact."  The rules state we're talking about classic Gambit. I assume that means he has to make physical contact and limited to inorganic matter, and he can't use his powers that would allow him to fly or heal himself either. "

Sorry, I missed that.  It still doesn't change the fact that Gambit is significantly faster and more agile, can rain down explosives, can use the entire environment as a weapon, and can use Batman's own costume against him.  That first scan I put up of him charging the Tith Collector's coat is about as classic as Gambit gets.  He could easily do that to Batman's cape or armor.  Gambit's charges don't go off instantly, and he is more than fast enough to get inside of Bruce's reach, quickly touch him releasing a charge into his cape, and flip away to watch the impending fireworks. Even Wolverine has trouble tagging Gambit. That's assuming Batman gets anywhere close to him.  Gambit not holding back is pretty destructive.  He can pick up a couple of handfulls of gravel, toss these (charged of course), herding Bats directly to the  parked car or chunk of wall already charged and waiting as Batman tries to dodge.  He's a master of this tactic. "

If anything Bats could just sneak up on Gambit and take him out at close range

"DD isn't on Batman's level, and is this the train fight? I believe Daredevil was trying to save him from Bullseye "

"Gambit can't fight"

" @Red_Blade said:

"DD isn't on Batman's level, and is this the train fight? I believe Daredevil was trying to save him from Bullseye "

I don't have the scans, but they are floating around here somewhere. I am sure Gambler has them however somewhere. He has battled Wolverine like people mentioned as well as trained with him, and fought against Sabertooth on a couple occasions, as well as Blade, and Storm. This statement is false on your part.
 
@Red_Blade said:

"Gambit can't fight"

Now saying he is not on the same level as Batman is different. But saying he can't fight outright like that is hardly the truth. "

" @Tian: Captain America is universally considered the greatest tactical mind in Marvel.  He is at least Batman's equal in strategy and leadership.  He is also stronger and faster.  Batman can occasionally dodge bullets, Cap sees faster than the bullet travels.  His stamina, agility, senses, etc... are all superior to Batman's.  Bats is smarter. That is certain. Though Cap is a genius, he's not on the level of Batman.  "

" @Tian: Try actually reading the scans instead of just glancing at them then. ;) "

@yodagod:   

"If anything Bats could just sneak up on Gambit and take him out at close range " 
 

Batman can dissapear out of plain site, and it doesn't matter if they are in New Orleans or the Watch Tower, I don't recall Gambit ever sneaking up on someone who can hear,see and smell everything on the planet

Tactics and strategy go hand in hand. Cap is a master of coming up with tactics on the fly.   While Batman uses all those gadgets you named, Cap just needs his shield.

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" @Andferne: I've read them. They still don't show him being as tactful as Batman. 
 
Let's put it this way... Batman is dressed like a Bat because he knows criminals are superstitious. He uses fear as a weapon. He has gas, ropes, batarangs, flashbombs, regular bombs, etc. etc. and a plethora of weapons to fight. He makes traps, he comes prepared.  
 
Captain America may be a Cerebral fighter and so is Batman, but Captain America is not tactful. It is not a defining characteristic of his. KEY WORD: Being DEFINING.  
 

@yodagod:   

 I won't argue leadership, because I do believe Caps does have him beat in leadership. Strategy he does not have Batman beat.  Tactful and using tactics are not the same thing. Tactics are finding ways to win. Tactful is about finding less than obvious ways to win.  Again... Captain America is only suppose to be a perfect human being, not beyond it. Batman has reached those levels. Yes Batman is smarter, that is why he is more tactful. Captain America could probably inspire and lead a superpowered team to victory in a Battle. Batman on the otherhand will give instructions, but won't be on the battlefield if the Superheroes were fighting a war, he'd be in the shadows infiltrating the enemy bases learning their secrets and weaknesses eventually gaining victory.  I don't even understand why anyone is arguing this... It's a fact Batman is more tactful. If he's not then Captain America really is Batman without the toys and with a shield. "

lol

" @vuviper: Not a building, but a large area of wall.  And I was actually talking about if Gambit threw a card and blew up a support column to make a building fall on him.  He has done that before. "

: having or showing tact

1 : sensitive mental or aesthetic perception  <converted the novel into a play with remarkable skill and tact>
 
synonyms tact, address, poise, savoir faire mean skill and grace in dealing with others. tact implies delicate and considerate perception of what is appropriate  <questions showing a lack of tact>. address stresses dexterity and grace in dealing with new and trying situations and may imply success in attaining one's ends  <brought it off with remarkableaddress>. poise may imply both tact and address but stresses self-possession and ease in meeting difficult situations  <answered the accusations with unruffled poise>. savoir faireis likely to stress worldly experience and a sure awareness of what is proper or expedient  <the savoir faire of a seasoned traveler>.     

Wait so you actually think that Cap is not as tactful, or as much as Batman? lol
Like V I assumed you just meant Tactical.

" @yodagod said:

" @vuviper: Not a building, but a large area of wall.  And I was actually talking about if Gambit threw a card and blew up a support column to make a building fall on him.  He has done that before. "

I think Bats is quick enough to avoid being trapped that way in most circumstances and Gambit isn't strategic enough to outmanuver bats into a vulnerable position. "

" @Tian: Characteristic that has nothing to do with combat.  Tact, poise, savoir faire all apply socially.  When someone is talking about tactical, or strategic, that is how good they are at assessing and dealing with combat situations.  To even imply that Cap isn't on par with Bats in tactics just shows that you have never read anything with or about Captain America. "

" @vuviper said:

" @yodagod said:

" @vuviper: Not a building, but a large area of wall.  And I was actually talking about if Gambit threw a card and blew up a support column to make a building fall on him.  He has done that before. "

I think Bats is quick enough to avoid being trapped that way in most circumstances and Gambit isn't strategic enough to outmanuver bats into a vulnerable position. "

I agree.  But Gambit can just as easily avoid anything that Bats throws at him.  The difference is that eventually, Batman will run out.  Gambit has an endless supply. "

" he has a santa bag's worth tucked in his belt "

" @Tian: they do not apply to combat. "

" @vuviper said:

" he has a santa bag's worth tucked in his belt "

lol xP Would he drop instantly though? In the streets the gas is subject to getting deluded and dispersed faster because of the more open area and wind. Gambit could just as easily hold his breath for a short period and make his escape. The guy is a extremely talented thief and has snuck into the X-Mansion undetected before. "

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" @vuviper: lmao. Yuppers "

" @Tian: You are incorrect.  You've been told by a couple of people now.  We're just trying to help.  If you don't want to listen, sorry.  But you'll look bad if you continue using it incorrectly.  "

" @Andferne said:

" @vuviper said:

" he has a santa bag's worth tucked in his belt "

lol xP Would he drop instantly though? In the streets the gas is subject to getting deluded and dispersed faster because of the more open area and wind. Gambit could just as easily hold his breath for a short period and make his escape. The guy is a extremely talented thief and has snuck into the X-Mansion undetected before. "

I guess it depends on the wind and the height of buildings and what not, Batman can figure it out for me, hahaha I think certain gasses can actually linger for a while I'm not a gas expert though.  Hm downtown new orleans, I think Bats can just sneak attack him "

" @vuviper: Sonofa >_<
Gambler has been here longer than me xD
feels a little bit better now "

Batman is better with stealth then Wolverine, by far
 
There is no reason he shouldn't be able to sneak up on Gambit, last time I checked he didn't have any enhanced senses