Galactus vs. White Phoenix vs. Molecule Man

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#1 Posted by Vixious (4 posts) - 1 year, 1 day ago - Show Bio

(100% Fed) Galactus vs. (Full Phoenix Force) White Phoenix of the Crown vs. (Pre-Retcon) Molecule Man

In terms of environment they all have neither an advantage or a disadvantage, the battle takes place in a neutral empty area in space. No prep for anybody, they all just happened to randomly stumble upon each other when they were each at the strongest they ever were. This is a fight of basically pure ability/power/wit/skill.

Bonus question: What would happen to guys like the Avengers (Batman, Thor, Hulk, Cap) or guys like Wolverine and Spiderman (you know your ordinary everyday superheros that people recognize) if they were to get caught in this fight or to try to participate in it. Would any of them have a fighting chance or would they get absolutely obliterated?

I don't know a whole lot about what these guys could do if they were at full power so please don't tell me I'm trying to spite someone if it turns out that one of these guys is clearly better at full power. I'm genuinely curious.

#2 Posted by cosmicallyaware1 (1210 posts) - 1 year, 1 day ago - Show Bio

whoa. they would destroy the fabric of reality, nobody wins. and answer to your bonus question: they are like ants compared to the power levels of your 3 cosmic powerhouses.

#3 Posted by CosmosTyrant (372 posts) - 1 year, 1 day ago - Show Bio

Classic MM--------------------------------------------------------------------->WPOTC--------------------------------------------------->G

Bonus Q they all die.

#4 Posted by Zorn_a_Rust_Red_Scythe (283 posts) - 1 year, 1 day ago - Show Bio

1) PR Molecule Man

2) Galactus

3) Phoenix

#5 Posted by JediXMan (22917 posts) - 1 year, 1 day ago - Show Bio

Pre-retcon Molecule Man solos.

To your bonus question: they die. They wouldn't even be noticed by these guys.

#6 Posted by Lance Bastro (4744 posts) - 1 year, 1 day ago - Show Bio

@JediXMan said:

Pre-retcon Molecule Man solos.

To your bonus question: they die. They wouldn't even be noticed by these guys.

this i agree with.

#7 Posted by Bo88gdan (4124 posts) - 1 year, 1 day ago - Show Bio

@CosmosTyrant said:

Classic MM--------------------------------------------------------------------->WPOTC--------------------------------------------------->G

Bonus Q they all die.

#8 Posted by Killemall (13438 posts) - 1 year, 23 hours ago - Show Bio

PR Molecular Man stomps.

Bonus question: depends if they are siding with PR MM nothing happens. LT is still leagues above both White Phoenix of the Crown and Galactus and PR MM was potrayed as being leagues above LT. The battle wont last too long.

#9 Posted by Lance Bastro (4744 posts) - 1 year, 23 hours ago - Show Bio

someone needs to read secret wars 2.

#10 Posted by CosmosTyrant (372 posts) - 1 year, 22 hours ago - Show Bio

@Vixious: Here. Mightier than all other beings of the Multiverse.

#11 Posted by PhoenixoftheTides (2881 posts) - 1 year, 21 hours ago - Show Bio

@CosmosTyrant said:

Classic MM--------------------------------------------------------------------->WPOTC--------------------------------------------------->G

Bonus Q they all die.

Pretty much. It would make an entertaining issue of "What If?", though.

#12 Edited by Lance Bastro (4744 posts) - 1 year, 21 hours ago - Show Bio

@CosmosTyrant said:

@Vixious: Here. Mightier than all other beings of the Multiverse.

true, but while this was going on, beyonder was also stating that dr. strange is the most powerful in the multiverse at the time. (secret war 2)

#13 Posted by King Saturn (210806 posts) - 1 year, 21 hours ago - Show Bio
I am thinking Pre Retcon Molecule Man would win here... 
#14 Posted by jeanroygrant (20191 posts) - 1 year, 20 hours ago - Show Bio

Molecule Man

#15 Posted by isaac_clarke (4396 posts) - 1 year, 20 hours ago - Show Bio

I was about to stroll in to say I actually win till the Pre-Retcon sticker Molecule Man popped up.

Galactus as of late is a beast that can take on multiple celestials, and while tagged teamed with Franklin Richards, the both of them can spam revive themselves when the going gets tough.

#16 Posted by CosmosTyrant (372 posts) - 1 year, 17 hours ago - Show Bio

@Lance Bastro: True. But MM was the only one the was able to stand against Beyonder if it only was for a few moment's.

#17 Posted by mgrman5 (520 posts) - 1 year, 4 hours ago - Show Bio

What if was not pre-retcon Molecular Man would it be a closer contest between the three. Also I am pretty sure White Phoenix is stronger than a fully powered Galactus, seeing as he has had problem with a weaker version of the Phoenix before and this is the most powerful version.

#18 Posted by hyperbeing (315 posts) - 10 months, 28 days ago - Show Bio

i saw ehite phoenix beats any molecule man and stomps galcatus with ease. though in galactuses case galactus would not be killed due to his importance prerecton mm would be spared out of mercy or she will kill him. and despite what most ppl say phoenix can warp relaity

#19 Posted by chriskalaani (239 posts) - 10 months, 1 day ago - Show Bio

Molecule man solos with ease.

yeah i dont think any of those other guys are going to do much, hah. Rune King Thor would have the best chance of doing something, but would still get decimated

#20 Edited by justleader (1708 posts) - 10 months, 1 day ago - Show Bio

MM>WP>Galactus

Umm the battle between these three will wipe out them easily without even noticing.

#21 Posted by TERMINATOR1000 (1195 posts) - 10 months, 1 day ago - Show Bio

Molecule Man on his own stomps Galactus real hard.

#22 Posted by jimroote99 (265 posts) - 9 months, 2 days ago - Show Bio

@hyperbeing: your a very, very stupid life form. classic molecule man solos effortlessly

#23 Posted by YoungJustice (5662 posts) - 9 months, 2 days ago - Show Bio

@jimroote99 said:

@hyperbeing: your a very, very stupid life form. classic molecule man solos effortlessly

Please dont insult people like that. There were much nicerways you could have said that.

1) PRMM

2) WP

3) Big G

#24 Posted by jimroote99 (265 posts) - 9 months, 2 days ago - Show Bio

@YoungJustice: i have seen this person on other threads, posting ridiculous junk on why phoenix beats everybody. frankly, i was getting annoyed, so i gave him/her a piece of my mind

#25 Posted by YoungJustice (5662 posts) - 9 months, 2 days ago - Show Bio

@jimroote99 said:

@YoungJustice: i have seen this person on other threads, posting ridiculous junk on why phoenix beats everybody. frankly, i was getting annoyed, so i gave him/her a piece of my mind

I know but this is sort of a family friendly site i guess you could say. Just try to keep the "you are a stupid life form" to a minimum.

#26 Posted by jimroote99 (265 posts) - 9 months, 2 days ago - Show Bio

@YoungJustice: well according to a lot of users (behavior) thats not really the case on this site

#27 Posted by YoungJustice (5662 posts) - 9 months, 2 days ago - Show Bio

@jimroote99: It something many of us (including me) tend to forget.

#28 Posted by jeanroygrant (20191 posts) - 9 months, 2 days ago - Show Bio

@Zorn_a_Rust_Red_Scythe said:

1) PR Molecule Man

2) Galactus

3) Phoenix

#29 Posted by jimroote99 (265 posts) - 9 months, 2 days ago - Show Bio

@YoungJustice: well whatever you say man, ill try and take it easy

#30 Posted by hyperbeing (315 posts) - 8 months, 6 days ago - Show Bio

white phoenix wins most likely. i mean she may be even greater in power . i mean have you seen her feats.

#31 Edited by justleader (1708 posts) - 8 months, 6 days ago - Show Bio

MM solos both easily

@hyperbeing: Nice trolling.........

#32 Posted by hyperbeing (315 posts) - 8 months, 6 days ago - Show Bio

im not trying to troll and i really think wp has a better chance of winning and also justleader i dont nead you insulting me.also my reasons of thinking wp winning is that mm is powerful its just that he cant beat white phoenix i say this cause .1 white phoenix can manipulate timelines and effect space time matter and energy and soul and mind. while mm can only effext mateter and energy.

#33 Posted by Killemall (13438 posts) - 8 months, 6 days ago - Show Bio

Anyone who honestly think White Phoenix would win is either really bias towards the character or hasnt read secret wars.

#34 Posted by hyperbeing (315 posts) - 8 months, 6 days ago - Show Bio

i saw secrete wars but what your forgeting is whitep hoenix is many times stornger then sw2 phoenix who was able to beat the beyonder and persoanly the beyonder seemed to be more impressed with that phoenix then mm.also it said compared to jean grey when beyonder gave rachel exess with the phoenix force. now imagine whitep hoenix

#35 Posted by hyperbeing (315 posts) - 8 months, 6 days ago - Show Bio

plus she can always overwhelm mm senses by connecting him with all life of the mutiverse beyonder himself could got stumbled by a universal level of that version imagine mutiversial in wich wp and she is doing it on mm. plus look at avengers vs xmen thats a universal level phoenix and its being possesed by a guy and the fragments arent one they provided unlimited enrgy food and are doing imprresive feats and whitep hoenix is stornger and her lmits are not yet shown.

#36 Posted by guttridgeb (4316 posts) - 8 months, 6 days ago - Show Bio

Molecule Man easily

#37 Posted by Hyperlight (2053 posts) - 8 months, 5 days ago - Show Bio

If its not PR MM than Galactus wins at full power.... he is more powerful than most cosmic entities. it just doesnt seem that way because he gets weak easily. If galactus's powers were self perpetuating than he wins.

but if we are talking about PR MM than he wins. I personally done undertand how a man could have so much power and the knowledge to use it but its whatever

#38 Posted by DocFatalis (1419 posts) - 8 months, 5 days ago - Show Bio

@hyperbeing said:

i saw secrete wars but what your forgeting is whitep hoenix is many times stornger then sw2 phoenix who was able to beat the beyonder and persoanly the beyonder seemed to be more impressed with that phoenix then mm.also it said compared to jean grey when beyonder gave rachel exess with the phoenix force. now imagine whitep hoenix

With her original powers, the Phoenix couldn't do squat to the Beyonder. He willingly empowered her so that he could experience mortality. It's his own power that almost defeated him, the Phoenix force had practically nothing to do with that.

At the end of the story it is indeed Owen Reece who is being seen as the only valuable contestant for the Beyonder. PR Molecule Man is thousands of levels above all the characters in this battle.

#39 Posted by hyperbeing (315 posts) - 8 months, 5 days ago - Show Bio

it was the phoenix force that did help as well for it is what aloowed rachel to beat beyonder as you saw rachel overwhelmed his senses by using the phoenix forces connection with all life in the universe and also the poi9nt is if beyonder himself couldnt take a universal connction of all life then imagin a mutiversal connection and with owen reece. also you keep forgeting a wp has a wider domain of powers what i mean is. not only can she effect matter and energy at a universal scale she can also contropl space and time and also owen has problems withh imself that woulld prove not to well in a battle. plus we seen mm limit. wp hasnt shown her limit yet.

#40 Posted by hyperbeing (315 posts) - 8 months, 5 days ago - Show Bio

When empowered by the Phoenix Force Jean has total control over all matter on the sub-atomic scale to the point where she can manipulate the entire universe. She can generate endless amounts of energy as well as absorb endless amounts of energy. She can exists in any environment without harm and can create space time warps to travel through hyperspace or traverse the time stream with ease. She can also manipulate and create separate time lines. Also her telepathic powers are enhanced to the point where they become visible to the physical world. Usually she forms a giant Phoenix but can form any thing she can think of. The Phoenix Force can also resurrect the dead and absorb the life force from other beings to bolster its own.

After her physical death Jean fully merged with the Phoenix becoming the White Phoenix of the Crown. This is the most powerful version any wielder of the Phoenix can achieve. The full limits (if there are any) have yet to be shown.

Jean is also an Omega Level Mutant. The highest point of power a mutant can ever reach without outside forces.

Rachel is also one of (and most probably well-known) hosts of the Phoenix Force. Unbeknownst to Rachel, when she traveled to Earth-616 she was also brought a piece of the Phoenix Force with her. Rachel went on several adventures without ever learning that she was a host of the Phoenix or using its power. After discovering that Cyclops (Earth-616's analogue of her father) was about to have a child with Madelyne Pryor and that " Jean Grey" had died (in reality this was Dark Phoenix impersonating Jean) Rachel went to visit her maternal grandparents' home (The parents of Earth-616 Jean Grey). There, she found a Shi'ar holo-empathic crystal that contained an imprint of Jean Grey, which prompted Rachel to make a vow to restore Jean's good name and atone for what the Dark Phoenix had done. Rachel not only claimed her codename but started tapping into the Phoenix Force. As Phoenix, Rachel's psionic powers were expanded as well as her control over them in addition to being granted several cosmic-level abilities. She found that she could more easily use her telekinesis to sense and manipulate energy and matter on a sub-atomic level, often rearranging molecules and generating energy blasts. On a cosmic scale, she could manipulate life-forces, survive unaided in space, possessed limited cosmic awareness, and presumably could resurrect herself (though she never displayed this power, other Phoenix Avatars have and this is one of the powers the Phoenix is famous for possessing). While hosting the Phoenix Force, she was able to battle the Beyonder and defeat Galactus.

Rachel's relinquished her connection to the Phoenix Force when she found herself stranded in a possible future (the Askani timeline). However, under certain circumstances Rachel was still able to tap into the Force to increase her power levels, an ability she almost completely lost while getting older. When this timeline ceased to exist and Rachel came back to the Earth-616 present, her connection to the Phoenix Force was not restored. However, this did not mean she could never host the Force again. Recently, Marvel Girl interacted with the Phoenix Blade, and as direct consequence Rachel absorbed most of the energies contained in the Blade (including Korvus' memories), which she called a "Phoenix Force Echo" which is much less powerful, but at the same time easier to control. Shortly afterwards, she started manifesting it in the classic Phoenix Force signature but this time with a small difference, the fiery bird was blue. It seems this Phoenix Echo was powerful enough to allow Rachel perform feats like fighting from equal to equal with Gladiator, Praetor of the Sh'iar Imperial Guard, enable her to survive in and fly through the vacuum of space without the need for any additional protection, charge a Shi'ar Warpdrive, and fight several warships. As a result of the mindmeld with Korvus and reconnecting with the Phoenix, Rachel's confidence increased and she began using her powers more proactively than even just prior to meeting Korvus. She changes her costume to reflect this and even manifests her telekinesis through her Phoenix aura, acting like an actual bird of prey.

Unfortunately, all the Phoenix Force hosts (including Rachel) lost their connections to the cosmic entity at exactly the same moment in Marvel Earth-616. Rachel called out to her mother who was reclaiming the Phoenix Force and pleaded to not lose the connection at that moment because she was in battle. Korvus' Phoenix Blade and the Stepford Cuckoos were affected too, leaving the first stunned and unable to lift the blade and the Cuckoos temporarily comatose. The fact that Rachel was not incapacitated like the Cuckoos is a testament to her power.

also i wonder was the beyonder able to give ravhel full axess to the phoenix force because of her natural connection or can he give it to anybody.also rachel put mental blocks on herself to keep from using the pf full power so he couldve just removed those and also they said that sw phoenix is equel to an average jeam grey phoenix.

#41 Posted by jeanroygrant (20191 posts) - 8 months, 5 days ago - Show Bio

@JediXMan said:

Pre-retcon Molecule Man solos.

To your bonus question: they die. They wouldn't even be noticed by these guys.

#42 Posted by silverJuggernaut (82 posts) - 8 months, 5 days ago - Show Bio

the phoenix force is what galactus eats. im sure the phoenix force can stop galactus hunger for ever.

i have no idea how powerful pr mm is.

#43 Posted by torzone (377 posts) - 8 months, 5 days ago - Show Bio

White Phoenix of the Crown.

#44 Posted by X_insignia1 (849 posts) - 8 months, 5 days ago - Show Bio

did this guy really just post the Phoenix force wiki? anywho, i would say pre-retcon molecule man wins this

#45 Posted by Supermanwithatan01 (1795 posts) - 8 months, 5 days ago - Show Bio

@X_insignia1 said:

did this guy really just post the Phoenix force wiki? anywho, i would say pre-retcon molecule man wins this

haha yeah PR Molecule man arrives at the battle, noticing his opponents are not Dr. Doom he smiles and Waves accidentally turning Galactus into a butterfly and the White Crown Phoenix into a bird with that wouldn't want to come back to life.. He wins... hard..

#46 Edited by hyperbeing (315 posts) - 8 months, 4 days ago - Show Bio

white phoenix is beyond the phoenix tha fought beyonder and whateveer mm can do phoenix can do. also she can effect the mental plane as well and also she was able to overwhelm beyonder by connecting him with all life in the universe . imagine a mutiversal version of that and on a powerrful human. also phoenix has mms powers plus she can effect space time matter and energy.while mm s baicaly just matter and energy. even if mm does that to galactus and white phoenix they can just undo the effects.

#47 Posted by justleader (1708 posts) - 8 months, 4 days ago - Show Bio

@hyperbeing: Pre retcon molecule man repaired the multiverse with one finger while calming the beyonder down, he had an attack that could have destroyed several billion dimensions, he teleported every being in all the multiverse into a sub space (beyond the multiverse) now show me some White phoenix feats that matches those of MM

#48 Posted by hyperbeing (315 posts) - 8 months, 4 days ago - Show Bio

also your gorgeting rachel fought beyonder ad when she got all powered up she is compared to jean grey now htis is whitep hoenix jean grey. and even if she isnt stronger then mm she can overload his senses with her abillites.and on a another note beyonder fought a universal level phoenix not a mutileve lwhite phoenix. and just cause it says at the time mm was the only one who did the best against beyonder it should be noted rachel has got something from battling with him.also rachel and mm were the ppl beyonder envied.i just wanted to add that in.

#49 Posted by justleader (1708 posts) - 8 months, 4 days ago - Show Bio

@hyperbeing: LOL the beyonder is more powerful than all the multiverse combined by millions of times, and you know what's the good part? it's only his limited form so he could "fit in", his realm makes marvel multiverse look like a droplet of water in the sea.

#50 Edited by hyperbeing (315 posts) - 8 months, 4 days ago - Show Bio

and your forgeting that this is mm where talking about. and this is white phoenix who has yet to show her limits. and on another point beyonder was overwhelmed with a uiversal level connection of lfe imagine a mutiversal version of that on mm. and mm showedh is limits hes powerful im saying plus he and white phoenix essentonly have similar abilities .so if he tries to rip her apart she can bring herself togather. so she can atlewast fight back wether shes weaker or not and also she has powerufl telepathy and she may have other tricks up her sleevee. and dont antagonise me

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