Galactus vs Rune King Thor

ce·les·tial

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Firstly, the Mangog lifting the Odin Sword as you wished.

Thor #198- Thor is stunned as Odin does not answer him in Mangog's grip. Mangog tells Thor that if he dares to attack him he will kill Odin even before he planned to. Suddenly Hogun strikes Mangog from behind. When Mangog turns towards Hogun Thor flies at Mangog. Thor throws his hammer into Mangog's face. He grabs Odin to get him to safety. Mangog wraps his tail around Hogun. Fandral stabs his sword at Mangog. Thor sends Volstagg with the mystic water from the well to the court vizier. They pour the water into Odin's Cosmic Well. Thor blasts Mangog, but it only angers Mangog. Mangog says he is powered by the hate of a billion, billion beings. He pulls the road up. Later Mangog has Thor unconscious as Odin and the elder gods storm Mangog. Odin strikes Mangog, and asks Mangog if he is silent from fear. Mangog grabs Odin and says he only speaks when he has something to say. Rangor strikes Mangog from behind, and Mangog remarks on the treachery. Mangog says he will die now for his treachery. Mangog wraps Rangor up in his tail. Suddenly the Cosmic Well explodes and Asgard begins hurtling back to its original location. Odin tells Thor he did well. Odin then bathes in the well's water to strengthen him in his weakened condition. Mangog finds the Odinsword. Mangog unsheathes it, but when the universe doesn't end Mangog realizes that because Asgard is outside normal space and time drawing the sword doesn't work. Mangog says Odin has saved the universe, but he will use the sword to kill Odin. Mangog starts blowing away Asgard with the sword's power. Odin faces Mangog, and Mangog advances. With the last of his power Odin casts a spell that cuts Mangog of from the hate that powers him, and returns the Odinsword to its sheath. Odin collapses, and Thor charges at Mangog with fury in his eyes.

Proof this requires Multi-Planetary moving strength; and again, Rune King Thor stopped him with a mere hand, let's take into account the power amplifications and imagine what could happen, later of course.

@Killemall said:

@Pyrogram said:

@Killemall: You cannot dispute something that RKT has said himself, Thor does not have the tendency too lie ¬_¬

Not sure where this is coming from. When did i dispute what RKT said, what i am saying is the only time RKT has done something that resembles omniscience was when he was hung up on the rune tree. When he did not want to see anymore he broke the chain.

It was clearly demonstrated that Thor did invoke omniscience; whether willingly or un-willingly, it was there. Proven on panel that Thor was now able to see all things large and small; right down to the cosmic scale, he knows absolutely everything.

Also i missed this part:

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" RKT was never merged with the universe, thats mis-representation of what happened."

Can you prove that?

If you study the scan below Thor is clearly merged into the Universe, as TWSAIS were as well. Also, if we REALLY want to get nitty picky with the scans, they were called Celestial beings; which only leaves us with one conclusion my friend. That's right! Thor bested five of them. Galactus bested three. Also, they were merged into the Universe as well, it's how to you wish to take the scan and it's eventual meaning that differs, either way, it's not good for you. =)

That was RKT gazing (looking) into the universe, not merged with the universe, as that is exactly what it is said onDid you not read the argument below??

I believe this is the scan you are referring to:

In short, since there is nothing to suggest he was merged with the universe, he wasnt.

Than we are able to solidify the statement that they were Celestial beings. Merged into the Universe and in league with those who make up the compass of the Cosmic Hierarchy; Thor clearly demonstrated as being above this.

@Killemall said:

@BigCimmerian said:

Both of them were knocked out, Galactus got up several seconds or minutes after that, and Odin got up several hours after that. How do you know Galactus was weak during their battle?

While Galactus wasnt said to be weak in the encounter, or at least i dont remember that ever happening, the very fact Galactus got up, healed himself and said nothing about having to feed anytime soon shows he wasnt really hurt i would think. Furthermore, no point in the fight does Galactus once physically attacks Odin.

Also the issue in question is The Mighty Thor 05 (2011), this is more for All_Mighty_Beyonder than you, he seems to be interested to check the issue out

If he wasn't said to be weak in that encounter; you are in no way to 'assume' he was weak, so we can substantiate the claim that he was well fed. & Odin, telepathically stale-mated him, Galactus was sweating, this cannot be disputed; it's on panel. Also, the fact Galactus was knocked out cold and doesn't say much? Lol, Please, we have clear showings of a Sky-Father knocking out a well fed Galactus with no power amplifications. Pay attention to the thread and you will understand why Big G loses badly.

@Killemall said:

@Pyrogram said:

You just proved it yourself with those scans below.

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Odin is omniscience I assume, that means RKT has everything Odin has but stronger, so only logically he should Omni.

Odin is not omniscience, he can at times sense future, like he did before King Thor became King Thor. Odin has been caught unaware all the time, i can look up few issues where Loki has tricked Odin just fine, and that directly contradicts being Omnisence.

And if we are going to look at one or two scans that says so, well Galactus has just as good claim at being omniscene as anyone else.

My friend, that is Odin; not Thor. Thor has proven omniscience on panel, if you're going to dispute this, than clearly your disregarding the capabilities of the character; which is ignorant on a site such as this.

Doom says "omniscience" in connection with to "Omnipotence", but the reader of the whole issue knows that Doom is speaking with a figure of speech. Doom doesn't gain omniscience... Ever. Even while having Beyonder's power.

Cosmic Awareness doesn't equal Omniscience.

Galactus has Cosmic Awareness.

Rune King Thor has omniscience; on panel

Has he forgotten that Thor is using the zodiac Runes, Odin Force, Belt of Strength, Destroyer Armor with all powers of Asgard, Warrior Madness, and the Power Gem? While Galactus has only eaten Four Planets?

Galactus can not win.... Even if he ate 10 Planets or 50 Planets or 100 Planets. He will be fighting a Thor that will never get tired and who is a reality warper. Galactus would just continue to drain himself as the battle prolongs and the more powerful the attack or the defense Galactus uses, the more energy drained off his reserves.

If Galactus ate 100 Planets, for example, and fired a blast that can destroy 100 planets simultaneously in a group, he would have no power to defend himself.

Don't talk about about WIS because it is more consistent Galactus for a writer to stick with Galactus consistent history. Galactus is but a alien man from Taa from a previous universe (The 1st universe before the Multiverse), who was spared via the Phoenix Force and the Cosmic Egg. Galactus is the incarnate of the Cosmic Power of the Old Universe. A collapsing and dying universe and power. That's why he has to eat... To maintain the collapsing power within himself otherwise he dies.

• A "Good writer" will write him that way....
• A bad writer will not write him that way.... (for example: Oh, Galactus is Abstract) <--- No he isn't 0_o; He's an Alien Man named Galan.

Also,

Odin and Thor are older than Galan,

~Killemall has saved nothing.

@Alyssabird:

" No he isn't 0_o; He's an Alien Man named Galan."

Epic. Win.

Srsly, Nice argument. I wana see a comeback to that 0_o

@Alyssabird said:

Time for some Galactus hate

Again, this is disregarding RKT, he's simply, to powerful.

I am quoting myself because we have solidified that Sky-Fathers and Gods such as Thor & Beta Ray Bill are capable of physically & mentally(Galactus was sweating immensely in his telepathic battle with Odin), equalizing or besting Galactus; this is before power amplification is taken into accord. With it, we would have Thor or Odin as 10x10, due to the increase of Warriors Madness and the Belt of Strength combined; before the Asgard amplification. Now we are taking this power and applying it to a being a step up the hierarchy. Commingled with the Destroyer Armour, Mjolnir, Odin Force & Runes. The amount of power we are talking about is absurd, and Galactus IS NOT tanking that level of power; as he cannot tank a hit from an un-amplified Thor or Odin, without side-effects. Let alone the wit of omniscience, which is superior to the wit of Dr.Doom & BRB, both of whom have out-witted Big G.

LMFAO!!!

;D

@Alyssabird said:

ce·les·tial

/səˈlesCHəl/

Adjective Positioned in or relating to the sky, or outer space as observed in astronomy. Belonging or relating to heaven.

Again, liar , liar pants on fire.

How the question started ,

A fanmade statement from Alyssa

@Alyssabird said:

RKT was merged into the Universe,

And you are using a scan of Those Who Sit in the Shadows prove what actually???

Secondly, the rest is just your own interpretation with absolutely nothing to back it up.

Firstly, the Mangog lifting the Odin Sword as you wished.

Thor #198- Thor is stunned as Odin does not answer him in Mangog's grip. Mangog tells Thor that if he dares to attack him he will kill Odin even before he planned to. Suddenly Hogun strikes Mangog from behind. When Mangog turns towards Hogun Thor flies at Mangog. Thor throws his hammer into Mangog's face. He grabs Odin to get him to safety. Mangog wraps his tail around Hogun. Fandral stabs his sword at Mangog. Thor sends Volstagg with the mystic water from the well to the court vizier. They pour the water into Odin's Cosmic Well. Thor blasts Mangog, but it only angers Mangog. Mangog says he is powered by the hate of a billion, billion beings. He pulls the road up. Later Mangog has Thor unconscious as Odin and the elder gods storm Mangog. Odin strikes Mangog, and asks Mangog if he is silent from fear. Mangog grabs Odin and says he only speaks when he has something to say. Rangor strikes Mangog from behind, and Mangog remarks on the treachery. Mangog says he will die now for his treachery. Mangog wraps Rangor up in his tail. Suddenly the Cosmic Well explodes and Asgard begins hurtling back to its original location. Odin tells Thor he did well. Odin then bathes in the well's water to strengthen him in his weakened condition. Mangog finds the Odinsword. Mangog unsheathes it, but when the universe doesn't end Mangog realizes that because Asgard is outside normal space and time drawing the sword doesn't work. Mangog says Odin has saved the universe, but he will use the sword to kill Odin. Mangog starts blowing away Asgard with the sword's power. Odin faces Mangog, and Mangog advances. With the last of his power Odin casts a spell that cuts Mangog of from the hate that powers him, and returns the Odinsword to its sheath. Odin collapses, and Thor charges at Mangog with fury in his eyes.

Proof this requires Multi-Planetary moving strength; and again, Rune King Thor stopped him with a mere hand, let's take into account the power amplifications and imagine what could happen, later of course.

What exactly in this god forshaken fan wiki copy paste proves Mangog is multi-planetary strength ?

Or are you going to all: lalalalalala cant hear your, cant hear you, multi planetary strength.

I mean come on, there is absolutely nothing here that even remotely elludes a multi-planetary strength

It was clearly demonstrated that Thor did invoke omniscience; whether willingly or un-willingly, it was there. Proven on panel that Thor was now able to see all things large and small; right down to the cosmic scale, he knows absolutely everything.

If it was clearly demonstrated he did invoke omniscience it should be so hard to get a scan , would it. So come on, beat a darling and bring a scan please.

Thor was able to see into the universe, wondering if there is something to do next, proves he knows absolutely everything, LOL, not sure what to add to that.

If you study the scan below Thor is clearly merged into the Universe, as TWSAIS were as well. Also, if we REALLY want to get nitty picky with the scans, they were called Celestial beings; which only leaves us with one conclusion my friend. That's right! Thor bested five of them. Galactus bested three. Also, they were merged into the Universe as well, it's how to you wish to take the scan and it's eventual meaning that differs, either way, it's not good for you. =)

LOL what?

1. One scan that says TWSAIS where merged with the universe?

2 . One scan it says RKT is merged with the universe?

3. One scan that says RKT is omniscience, apart from being able to see past, present and future simultaneously.

4. Thor never even fought TWSAIS, all he did was broke their connection to Asgard, as it take away their food source.

5. Its not how i wish to do anything, you are just making fan assumptions and nothing else.

Than we are able to solidify the statement that they were Celestial beings. Merged into the Universe and in league with those who make up the compass of the Cosmic Hierarchy; Thor clearly demonstrated as being above this.

I am just going to sit here and smile at your biasness, you come up with your own theories, backed by absolutely nothing and pretend they are meant to be a part of cosmic compass, that TWAIS where like Eternity, Infinity, Death and Oblivion? I mean come on.

If he wasn't said to be weak in that encounter; you are in no way to 'assume' he was weak, so we can substantiate the claim that he was well fed. & Odin, telepathically stale-mated him, Galactus was sweating, this cannot be disputed; it's on panel. Also, the fact Galactus was knocked out cold and doesn't say much? Lol, Please, we have clear showings of a Sky-Father knocking out a well fed Galactus with no power amplifications. Pay attention to the thread and you will understand why Big G loses badly.

Lovely, now blaming me for something i never stated, lovely.

Odin stalemated Galactus telepathically? True.

Can RKT do that? He has never shown any sort of telepathy before, nor as RKT, nor as Thor, nor as King Thor.

Odin knocked out Galactus? They headbutted, both fell on the ground, Galactus got up and healed just fine, note that is a normal fed Galactus, as no mention of how much he ate was given and we know Galactus eats one planet as a time.

Not pay attention to the thread , actually read most of the argument being put forward, Galactus has feats that dwarf that of Odin, we have seen Doom with Galactus power one shot him (which you claimed was stalemate LOL, talk about fanboyism).

My friend, that is Odin; not Thor. Thor has proven omniscience on panel, if you're going to dispute this, than clearly your disregarding the capabilities of the character; which is ignorant on a site such as this.

Doom says "omniscience" in connection with to "Omnipotence", but the reader of the whole issue knows that Doom is speaking with a figure of speech. Doom doesn't gain omniscience... Ever. Even while having Beyonder's power.

Cosmic Awareness doesn't equal Omniscience.

Galactus has Cosmic Awareness.

Rune King Thor has omniscience; on panel

Has he forgotten that Thor is using the zodiac Runes, Odin Force, Belt of Strength, Destroyer Armor with all powers of Asgard, Warrior Madness, and the Power Gem? While Galactus has only eaten Four Planets?

Galactus can not win.... Even if he ate 10 Planets or 50 Planets or 100 Planets. He will be fighting a Thor that will never get tired and who is a reality warper. Galactus would just continue to drain himself as the battle prolongs and the more powerful the attack or the defense Galactus uses, the more energy drained off his reserves.

If Galactus ate 100 Planets, for example, and fired a blast that can destroy 100 planets simultaneously in a group, he would have no power to defend himself.

Don't talk about about WIS because it is more consistent Galactus for a writer to stick with Galactus consistent history. Galactus is but a alien man from Taa from a previous universe (The 1st universe before the Multiverse), who was spared via the Phoenix Force and the Cosmic Egg. Galactus is the incarnate of the Cosmic Power of the Old Universe. A collapsing and dying universe and power. That's why he has to eat... To maintain the collapsing power within himself otherwise he dies.

• A "Good writer" will write him that way....
• A bad writer will not write him that way.... (for example: Oh, Galactus is Abstract) <--- No he isn't 0_o; He's an Alien Man named Galan.

Also,

Odin and Thor are older than Galan,

~Killemall has saved nothing.

LOL at everything.

1. Thats not Odin in the scan it is Rune King Thor.

2. I never once claimed Galactus is full omniscene, but i dont get your point of view, Thor claims something and its true, Doom claims something and its false, why exactly ?

3. Never said cosmic awareness equals omniscience, keep up please.

4. RKT has omniscene on panel, show us the panel please.

5. Galactus with 4 planets is still above all those.

6. Rest is fanboy ranting.

and lastly

Odin and Thor are OLDER than Galan? hahahahahahahahahahahahahha

@Pyrogram said:

@Alyssabird:

" No he isn't 0_o; He's an Alien Man named Galan."

Epic. Win.

Srsly, Nice argument. I wana see a comeback to that 0_o

I suppose we see things different man but the way i see it an argument that claims:

1. Thor and Odin are older than Galactus.

2. RKT was omniscene, without anything to back it up.

3. Mangog had "multi-planetary" strength, yet again with nothing to back it up.

4. Those Who Sit on the shadow were celestial being and hence equal to cosmic compass (Eternity, Infinity , Death and Obvilion)

5. Anything Doom says to himself is false, while anything RKT says to himself is all true.

At least to me sound like a silly argument with heavy biased , but perhaps we can disagree :)

@Killemall said:

@Pyrogram said:

@Alyssabird:

" No he isn't 0_o; He's an Alien Man named Galan."

Epic. Win.

Srsly, Nice argument. I wana see a comeback to that 0_o

I suppose we see things different man but the way i see it an argument that claims:

1. Thor and Odin are older than Galactus.

2. RKT was omniscene, without anything to back it up.

3. Mangog had "multi-planetary" strength, yet again with nothing to back it up.

4. Those Who Sit on the shadow were celestial being and hence equal to cosmic compass (Eternity, Infinity , Death and Obvilion)

5. Anything Doom says to himself is false, while anything RKT says to himself is all true.

You did not provide a counter argument to those things you stated, just why you disagree. Care too mate?

@Pyrogram said:

@Killemall said:

@Pyrogram said:

@Alyssabird:

" No he isn't 0_o; He's an Alien Man named Galan."

Epic. Win.

Srsly, Nice argument. I wana see a comeback to that 0_o

I suppose we see things different man but the way i see it an argument that claims:

1. Thor and Odin are older than Galactus.

2. RKT was omniscene, without anything to back it up.

3. Mangog had "multi-planetary" strength, yet again with nothing to back it up.

4. Those Who Sit on the shadow were celestial being and hence equal to cosmic compass (Eternity, Infinity , Death and Obvilion)

5. Anything Doom says to himself is false, while anything RKT says to himself is all true.

You did not provide a counter argument to those things you stated, just why you disagree. Care too mate?

He's almost out of arguments; notice he didn't post any scans.

@Alyssabird: I am surprised how long this has gone on, No one has conclusively said how Galactus will win against a normal RKT, let alone this version of an Amped RKT.

Remember, Galan was a mortal man, and the end of the previous universe ended when he was in his prime (about 30). If Galan was 30 and about to be wedded to his lover until the universe started to implode, Then just count how old the Elder Gods were.

• Elder Gods were the 1st sentient entities of the previous universe to live in Eternity
• The Elder Gods spawned a newer generation of gods
• and those gods spawned a newer generation
• and those gods spawned an ever newer generation
• and then Odin's grandfather was born
• Man walks the Earth
• and then Odin's father
• and then Odin....
• Thousands of years after that, man kind has already populated the Earth as an abundant species
• Thousands of years after that man started to evolve through mutations (the Mutants)
• The universe didn't end in the original universe until somewhere in the 31st Century AD.
• By this time Thor is a few thousand years old and Odin a few 10,000 years old (31st Century time)
• Galan was born in the 31st Century of the original universe (we are older than him because we are of the 20th century)
• When Galan became a full grown adult and became a scientist, the entire universe collapsed.
• Phoenix gathered all senient life memory to be transfered from the dying universe to the next. While Galan was absorbed into the Cosmic Egg.
• Both Galan and the Phoenix were released during the Big Bang of the new universe.
• The new Universe began in the 20th Century. (AKA: 616)
• Odin and Thor still retain their memories, and given that, they are a few thousand to ten thousand years older than Galan who is know known as Galactus.

This is pure logic if you trace back looking at consistent history of Stan Lee's approval of 40 year writer dedication through his dedicated writers throughout the 1960's up into the early 2000's.

I notice how you're not posting scans anymore. You knows I might use that against you and your running out of resources to get scans. (You gets them off respect threads, but you might actually collect some of you own but you will twist the context around).

Time to get started:

• Odin Force Feats[quote
• Helped Thor dent Captain America's shield
• Odin used it to create a galaxy then destroy it
• With The Odin Force, Thor takes two nukes out of his chest without injury
• Kills Captain America while destroying his shield
• Kills Wolverine while destroying him and his Adamantium bones.
• Thor has used the Odin Force to cure a man of his terminal cancer.
• Thor has used the Odin Force to stop time itself.
• Odin used it to cut out the heart of a star, with which it was used to forge and empower the legendary hammer Mjolnir.
• Odin used it to bring back to life both Thor and Brunnhilde.(Valkyrie)
• By channeling the Odin Force into his sacred hammer Mjolnir, Thor decapitated the nigh-invincible Destroyer Armor with one strike.
• Thor used the Odin Force to not only become the supreme ruler of Earth itself, but also eliminate all of its hero's and villains that opposed him.
• Odin used it to transform the cursed Nibelling rings into the gigantic Oversword of Asgard.(now known as the Odinsword)
• Thor used it to destroy the Blood Axe of Skurge the Executioner, stating that only the Odin Force was capable of doing so.
• Thor used the Odin Force to restore not only the floating city of Asgard on Earth, but also restored the lives of all the Asgardians who were lost after Ragnarok.
• Odin used it to create and empower Stormbreaker, the hammer of Beta Ray Bill.
• Odin used it to create and empower the Uru mace Thunderstrike, as a gift to Eric Masterson for all his heroic efforts in Asgard's name.
• Odin used it to trap Surtur within his own body, becoming a living prison for the fire Elemental
• Odin used it to save the life of Eric Masterson by merging his life force with that of Thor's. [quote

We have solidified that a well fed Galactus can be knocked out from Odin, at normal levels; and telepathically rivaled. This is dis-regarding the amplifications of the thread and the Thor, whom is a step up the hierarchy. We have sufficient evidence that he can be out-witted by the intelligence of Beta Ray Bill & Dr. Doom; both of whom pale in comparison to that of Rune King Thor; with the understanding of everything basking mentally. Also, we are currently debating a version of Thor; whom is at base levels, superior to the Odin whom was amplified by Asgard; now we are equipping him with those same amplifications, and more; to take on the might of Galactus at 100%. This version's physicality will be amplified to enormous levels through Warrior's Madness & The Belt of Strength; his durability will be further increase through Warriors Madness & the Destroyer Armour, his Omniscience is validated through the Runes and his Magical powers will be further amplified through the combination of the Odin Force & Runes. So as a summarized statement, we have a version of Thor who should physically harm Galactus, be mentally superior to Galactus & be as durable, if not more; Thor has on his side, durability, strength, omniscience, power & teleportation. Thor wins in all aspects, dispute over.

@Killemall is full on contradictions. He's not even replying back with a full in-depth response because he's probably digging for more info. He's saying Four Planets will supply him power to overcome the combination of the Runes + Odinforce + Belt of Strength + Mjolnir + Entire power of Asgard + Destroyer Armor and Rune King Thor in Warrior Madness????

He's insane to the membrane!

@Alyssabird:

This got lost in the reply by alyssa, this is very important and I think should be rememberd

"Surtur wielding the Twilight Sword was inable to break the barrier and Rune King Thor blasted it open whilst exerting no effort. Bear in mind, Surtur was a threat to even Odin, and at times, bested him."

That shows a lot of strength by RKT.

I do not have much to add as the responses above have all said by Thor would win.

Your arguments are amazing, as are you.

( Wait for a sarcastic response now xD )

@Pyrogram said:

You did not provide a counter argument to those things you stated, just why you disagree. Care too mate?

Counter argument to what exactly?

1. You want me to try and provide an argument why i believe, Galactus, the person who is meant to be the oldest living being in 616 reality, is older than Odin and Thor?
2. You want me to prove an argument of why Thor is not omniscience, when nothing of the sort was ever mentioned, apart from 1 time when he was hanging on the world tree he could see past, present and the future, and having seen enough and not wanting to see more, Thor disconnects his connection with rune tree. So without a evidence from Alyssa's side you want me to prove a negative?
3. You want me to prove TWAIS were a being equivalent to cosmic compass, when everything in marvel point to have only 4 such being in a universe, namely Eternity, Infinity Death and Obvilion. So Alyssa makes an outlandish claim, without a shiver to back it up, and uses the world "celestial being" to try and insinuate they are some abstract being?

Exactly what do you want me to prove exact? That is should buy into all the mis-represented scans from Alyssa? Is that what you are trying to tell me?

@Alyssabird said:

He's almost out of arguments; notice he didn't post any scans.

What scans would you like?

Scans to show Galactus powers lets go :)

Fantastic Four 603: Galactus kills a mad celestial

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Where as an amped up Odin couldnt even put down 1 single celestial.

Avengers Vol 4 , 145: Since you are fold of using the one page from this issue where Thor hits Galactus, this is what happens next, i am not even sure if you knew that.

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You love to use the god blast incident against a hungry Galactus, here's how Galactus, in normal power level, let alone a 4 power amped dealt with an amped up Godblast from Thor

Thor Annual 01: See this is how a fed Galactus fares against a god blast, note the godblast was amped by Surfer and Rachel, absolutely unmoved.

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Thor Annual 01: Galactus tell Thor, if you take arms against me, you, Earth and Asgard will all fall, what does Thor do, nearly pees his pants.

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Silver Surfer volume 3, 18: An extremely weakened Galactus fight Inbetweener, a genuine physical abstract level being, in a pure fist fight, that nearly destroy the entire freakin universe.

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How power is InBetweener?

Silver Surfer volume 3, 17: Commands death like a bitch, Death unwillingly, against her very wishes kills (temporarily) the elders of the universe, its clearly even stated on panel that Death feel humilated yet she is not powerful enough to fight back.

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Care to provide an instance where Odin, or RKT has even remotely done something of this magnitude? i.e. beat a guy who dictated terms to an Abstract? One scan please?

Thor Annual 01: Obvilion comments on how the fight between Galactus and 2 Galactus level being, Scarier and The Other, were about to destroy the multiverse, worse than what Chaos King did? And if you were not aware Chaos King destroyed 98% of the marvel multiverse. Care to show me a feat from RKT that matches this?

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Excalibur Vol 1, 25: Galactus nearly rips the very phoenix force out of Rachel, which was going to destroy ALL realities, before he was stopped

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Since you are trying to overwank people being scared of RKT, like TWAIS or surtur here a whole lot better for you.

Fantastic Four, vol 3 49: Abraxas, a being who mere by existing got 2 unvierses to fold upon itself (a multi universe destruction feat) was scared when Galactus showed up.

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Heck i can continue with scans from Annihilation, Thanos Imperative, Infinity Crusade, and so on. There are plenty of feats Galactus has performed that RKT doesnt even come remotely close to matching.

So where exactly is your feats from RKT that even remotely competes with Galactus?

As for world tree holding 9 realms, thats not even true, this is the scan from a page prior to the SAME bio you put in the picture of world tree (Marvel Handbook 1986), thought misrepresenting a scan would do the job?

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Misrepresent all you want, where are the proof of things you claimed.

Prove the following that you claimed

1. RKT was omniscence , when nothing apart from once when being hung up on Rune tree was he ever shown to see past, present and future, a vision to escape from which he breaks his link to the Rune tree. So 1 instance that suggest RKT is omnisence?

2. RKT was merged with the universe, and so were Those Who Sit In the Shadows. Care to show me once scan that states this.

3. Odin and Thor are older than Galactus? LOL, love to see a scan showing that.

So your debate is based on self made fan fiction of how the word "celestial" being totally means pure full bloodied abstract, and your little fanfiction, what exactly have you shown. Awesome job on trying to lowball Galactus, love to see you show feats from RKT or Odin that can match Galactus's feat.

Galactus destroyed a universe once. But Rune King Thor with those power-ups... Debatable.

@Killemall said:

@Pyrogram said:

You did not provide a counter argument to those things you stated, just why you disagree. Care too mate?

Counter argument to what exactly?

1. You want me to try and provide an argument why i believe, Galactus, the person who is meant to be the oldest living being in 616 reality, is older than Odin and Thor?
2. You want me to prove an argument of why Thor is not omniscience, when nothing of the sort was ever mentioned, apart from 1 time when he was hanging on the world tree he could see past, present and the future, and having seen enough and not wanting to see more, Thor disconnects his connection with rune tree. So without a evidence from Alyssa's side you want me to prove a negative?
3. You want me to prove TWAIS were a being equivalent to cosmic compass, when everything in marvel point to have only 4 such being in a universe, namely Eternity, Infinity Death and Obvilion. So Alyssa makes an outlandish claim, without a shiver to back it up, and uses the world "celestial being" to try and insinuate they are some abstract being?

Exactly what do you want me to prove exact? That is should buy into all the mis-represented scans from Alyssa? Is that what you are trying to tell me?

@Alyssabird said:

He's almost out of arguments; notice he didn't post any scans.

What scans would you like?

Scans to show Galactus powers lets go :)

Fantastic Four 603: Galactus kills a mad celestial

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Where as an amped up Odin couldnt even put down 1 single celestial.

Avengers Vol 4 , 145: Since you are fold of using the one page from this issue where Thor hits Galactus, this is what happens next, i am not even sure if you knew that.

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You love to use the god blast incident against a hungry Galactus, here's how Galactus, in normal power level, let alone a 4 power amped dealt with an amped up Godblast from Thor

Thor Annual 01: See this is how a fed Galactus fares against a god blast, note the godblast was amped by Surfer and Rachel, absolutely unmoved.

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Thor Annual 01: Galactus tell Thor, if you take arms against me, you, Earth and Asgard will all fall, what does Thor do, nearly pees his pants.

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Silver Surfer volume 3, 18: An extremely weakened Galactus fight Inbetweener, a genuine physical abstract level being, in a pure fist fight, that nearly destroy the entire freakin universe.

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How power is InBetweener?

Silver Surfer volume 3, 17: Commands death like a bitch, Death unwillingly, against her very wishes kills (temporarily) the elders of the universe, its clearly even stated on panel that Death feel humilated yet she is not powerful enough to fight back.

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Care to provide an instance where Odin, or RKT has even remotely done something of this magnitude? i.e. beat a guy who dictated terms to an Abstract? One scan please?

Thor Annual 01: Obvilion comments on how the fight between Galactus and 2 Galactus level being, Scarier and The Other, were about to destroy the multiverse, worse than what Chaos King did? And if you were not aware Chaos King destroyed 98% of the marvel multiverse. Care to show me a feat from RKT that matches this?

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Excalibur Vol 1, 25: Galactus nearly rips the very phoenix force out of Rachel, which was going to destroy ALL realities, before he was stopped

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Since you are trying to overwank people being scared of RKT, like TWAIS or surtur here a whole lot better for you.

Fantastic Four, vol 3 49: Abraxas, a being who mere by existing got 2 unvierses to fold upon itself (a multi universe destruction feat) was scared when Galactus showed up.

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Heck i can continue with scans from Annihilation, Thanos Imperative, Infinity Crusade, and so on. There are plenty of feats Galactus has performed that RKT doesnt even come remotely close to matching.

So where exactly is your feats from RKT that even remotely competes with Galactus?

As for world tree holding 9 realms, thats not even true, this is the scan from a page prior to the SAME bio you put in the picture of world tree (Marvel Handbook 1986), thought misrepresenting a scan would do the job?

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Misrepresent all you want, where are the proof of things you claimed.

Prove the following that you claimed

1. RKT was omniscence , when nothing apart from once when being hung up on Rune tree was he ever shown to see past, present and future, a vision to escape from which he breaks his link to the Rune tree. So 1 instance that suggest RKT is omnisence?

2. RKT was merged with the universe, and so were Those Who Sit In the Shadows. Care to show me once scan that states this.

3. Odin and Thor are older than Galactus? LOL, love to see a scan showing that.

So your debate is based on self made fan fiction of how the word "celestial" being totally means pure full bloodied abstract, and your little fanfiction, what exactly have you shown. Awesome job on trying to lowball Galactus, love to see you show feats from RKT or Odin that can match Galactus's feat.

Ok, you proved that Galactus is superior. Debate is over.

@Jedisupermaster: fan boys need to sit down and let the girls do the talking. Its 7am and I havn't slept yet. I'll take care of him tomorrow, gnite, <3

@Alyssabird said:

@Killemall is full on contradictions. He's not even replying back with a full in-depth response because he's probably digging for more info. He's saying Four Planets will supply him power to overcome the combination of the Runes + Odinforce + Belt of Strength + Mjolnir + Entire power of Asgard + Destroyer Armor and Rune King Thor in Warrior Madness????

He's insane to the membrane!

LOL what? You arguments are like this:

Remember, Galan was a mortal man, and the end of the previous universe ended when he was in his prime (about 30). If Galan was 30 and about to be wedded to his lover until the universe started to implode, Then just count how old the Elder Gods were.

• Elder Gods were the 1st sentient entities of the previous universe to live in Eternity
• The Elder Gods spawned a newer generation of gods
• and those gods spawned a newer generation
• and those gods spawned an ever newer generation
• and then Odin's grandfather was born
• Man walks the Earth
• and then Odin's father
• and then Odin....
• Thousands of years after that, man kind has already populated the Earth as an abundant species
• Thousands of years after that man started to evolve through mutations (the Mutants)
• The universe didn't end in the original universe until somewhere in the 31st Century AD.
• By this time Thor is a few thousand years old and Odin a few 10,000 years old (31st Century time)
• Galan was born in the 31st Century of the original universe (we are older than him because we are of the 20th century)
• When Galan became a full grown adult and became a scientist, the entire universe collapsed.
• Phoenix gathered all senient life memory to be transfered from the dying universe to the next. While Galan was absorbed into the Cosmic Egg.
• Both Galan and the Phoenix were released during the Big Bang of the new universe.
• The new Universe began in the 20th Century. (AKA: 616)
• Odin and Thor still retain their memories, and given that, they are a few thousand to ten thousand years older than Galan who is know known as Galactus.

This is pure logic if you trace back looking at consistent history of Stan Lee's approval of 40 year writer dedication through his dedicated writers throughout the 1960's up into the early 2000's.

And you claim i am contradicting anything.

Since you love scans lets try :)

Adventures Of X men, Vol 1, 12: Dwellers of the Darkness shatters the Mkraan crystal and everything is destroyed, everything except Galactus.

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This universe is called Earth 92131, and nothing in this universe survived.

Bio backs it up.

Nova Corps Bio (2007)

Galactus is the sole survivor of the past universe.

Official Handbook of Phoenix force explains how the big bang occured from the death of previous universe

We then see a big bang occurs on panel as well

This big bang created Abstracts, (Living Tribunal) included, you can see Living Tribunal on the third panel, so you are telling me Odin and Thor is older than all these beings? Really?

Lets try some more scan, as you love them

Marvel Handbook 1984

Again solidifies that Galactus was born before our universe even began, before the freakin big bang. But wait, you claimed the new universe was created on 2000, and its referenced in a bio of 1984? How amazing :)

@Alyssabird said:

@Jedisupermaster: fan boys need to sit down and let the girls do the talking. Its 7am and I havn't slept yet. I'll take care of him tomorrow, gnite, <3

Hopefull its not done via spreading lies like Odin is older than Galactus, or new universe (616) was created on 2000. Then we will see.

only truth here is that Galactus > Rune king Thor > Odin

@Bo88gdan said:

only truth here is that Galactus > Rune king Thor > Odin

Cosigned :)

So many fallacies.

^^^ this^^^

This girl was trying to say Thor is one million times faster then the speed of light,,,can you cay fan girl?

Thor can't even match Wolverine for speed. Galactus stomps

@JinSlayerX said:

Thor can't even match Wolverine for speed. Galactus stomps

Are you talking about agility and battle speed?

Nor can Galactus.

Both Thor and Galactus are billions to trillions of times faster than Wolverine when it comes to travel speeds, but agility and be nimble with reaction and reflex, Wolverine is faster than them.

But that doesn't matter anyway, because according the OP

Rules are as followed:

• Galactus begins at """100%"""" after devouring four planets, but is logically draining.

• Rune King Thor comes with Destroyer Armour, OF, Runes, Belt of Strength, Mjolnir & is in Warriors Madness, amped by Asgard.

• Battle takes place in Asgard

• Begins one mile apart

• The planet is un-bustable.

• Morals Off

Galctus has eaten four planets. (This is like hooking himself up with 4 batteries) that are equal the size of planets. These planets are not even bigger than Stars, don't generate energy like stars, has lesser oput than stars. We have Sentry who is more powerful than four planets, and Thor is able to compete with him. Though, that is just Thor at the base of his power... Now add the relics of the

• RUNES
• DESTROYER ARMOR
• BELT OF STRENGTH
• ODINFORCE
• ALL POWERS OF ASGARD
• and the WARRIOR MADNESS.

Now we're talking.

I see that the opposers of Thor is using the argument of the Mad NAMELESS Celestials... Why are we using these guys as a high-end feat for Galactus??? None of those 3 Celestials are high tier. All of them are weaker than each of the 4 Celestials of the 4th Host. For example Exitar, whom by the way, was damaged by an extremely angry base level Thor. Just at base. Nevertheless, this thread is amping Thor by 6 (SIX) power ups.

Here's food for thought:

Does any one here believe the Galactus having eaten four planets is a match for the 4th Hosts which they have effortless defeated the entirity of Ygdrassil if not been for Gaea?

Follow up question: Can the Mad Cestials beat the 4th Hosts?

There goes your answer.

Hhy is he using the fight between him and In-Betweener? Galactus was not weakerend and Galactus didn't even beat In-Betweener, it was Lord Chaos and Master Order.

His Second rant about In-Bewteener's power against Death and then comparing it Galactus is LOL silly.

He said:

How power is InBetweener?
Silver Surfer volume 3, 17:Commands death like a bitch, Death unwillingly, against her very wishes kills (temporarily) the elders of the universe, its clearly even stated on panel that Death feel humilated yet she is not powerful enough to fight back.

Death can not claim In-Betweener because In-Betweener isn't a life form. He is created as an IDEA by Lord Choas and Master Order to maintain the Balances of the Universe. Death can't take him..... However, she is able to take Galactus, because Galactus IS NOT ABSTRACT!!!!.... He is a living LIFE FORM!!!!

In support, Death has the ability to take Galactus whenever she chooses, but she decides not to, because Galactus ROLL is to kill and bring the dead to her, so she is using Galactus for that cause.

Stranthening the point even further is that during Infinity War, Galactus DIED... And Death was there to claim his death if it were not for Dr. Strange protecting his ass from her grasp.

And taking the point even furtherrrrrrr... Like Super Sayain 3 furrrrrrtthhhherrrrrrrr..... Galactus has died many many times before!

Galactus died or was near death so many times, it should be quite obvious that he isn't capable defeating something much higher than the people capable of defeating and killing Galactus.

Here's Thanos molesting the mind of Galactus:

Here's Thor molesting the mind and reality of Thanos and other characters.

=D->->

Also Killemall is still

• Disregarding the over-powers of this thread
• Fails to acknowledge them and offer a way as to how Galactus can over-come them
• Failed to show how Galactus can best omniscience
• Failed to give reasonable arguments
• & Is merely just ranting at this point

We are currently talking about a version of Thor that is above Thor OF, King Thor, Odin, Odin amplified & Rune King Thor himself. We are including the following.

RUNES

DESTROYER ARMOR

BELT OF STRENGTH

ODINFORCE

ALL POWERS OF ASGARD

and the WARRIOR MADNESS.

Thor indisputably takes this with absolute ease.

ROFLTROLOLPWNED

@Alyssabird: Just woah at those molesting mindrape things xD An unorthodox argument but gets the point across!

I loled at this

Can somebody do a counter argument please?

:3

I think alyssa has more than argued why Thor wins, is it not time for the votes?

People tend to under estimate Rune King Thor's power; far to much. Also, they tend to over-power Galactus; whom is NOT an abstract, he gets way to much lee-way in forums. Once you study a myriad of Marvel characters you begin realizing Galactus simply cannot contend with Rune King Thor; especially the level we are talking about. It just isn't logical or plausible. I hope this debate solidifies this; that was my intentions from the beginning. Do not disregard the power of Rune King Thor; in this thread, I defended the under-dog and humiliated Galactus; seemingly have some out on top. Hopefully people are more respectful towards Rune King Thor now.

@Alyssabird said:

People tend to under estimate Rune King Thor's power; far to much. Also, they tend to over-power Galactus; whom is NOT an abstract, he gets way to much lee-way in forums. Once you study a myriad of Marvel characters you begin realizing Galactus simply cannot contend with Rune King Thor; especially the level we are talking about. It just isn't logical or plausible. I hope this debate solidifies this; that was my intentions from the beginning. Do not disregard the power of Rune King Thor; in this thread, I defended the under-dog and humiliated Galactus; seemingly have some out on top. Hopefully people are more respectful towards Rune King Thor now.

I think it's quite the opposite, actually, you over estimate him, a little too much. I love him, think he's definately the most powerfull version and all, but doesn't automatically put him in Celestial/cosmic abstract levels.

@Assman said:

@Alyssabird said:

People tend to under estimate Rune King Thor's power; far to much. Also, they tend to over-power Galactus; whom is NOT an abstract, he gets way to much lee-way in forums. Once you study a myriad of Marvel characters you begin realizing Galactus simply cannot contend with Rune King Thor; especially the level we are talking about. It just isn't logical or plausible. I hope this debate solidifies this; that was my intentions from the beginning. Do not disregard the power of Rune King Thor; in this thread, I defended the under-dog and humiliated Galactus; seemingly have some out on top. Hopefully people are more respectful towards Rune King Thor now.

I think it's quite the opposite, actually, you over estimate him, a little too much. I love him, think he's definately the most powerfull version and all, but doesn't automatically put him in Celestial/cosmic abstract levels.

You should read the debate. giggles ~

Galactus

@Alyssabird said:

@Assman said:

@Alyssabird said:

People tend to under estimate Rune King Thor's power; far to much. Also, they tend to over-power Galactus; whom is NOT an abstract, he gets way to much lee-way in forums. Once you study a myriad of Marvel characters you begin realizing Galactus simply cannot contend with Rune King Thor; especially the level we are talking about. It just isn't logical or plausible. I hope this debate solidifies this; that was my intentions from the beginning. Do not disregard the power of Rune King Thor; in this thread, I defended the under-dog and humiliated Galactus; seemingly have some out on top. Hopefully people are more respectful towards Rune King Thor now.

I think it's quite the opposite, actually, you over estimate him, a little too much. I love him, think he's definately the most powerfull version and all, but doesn't automatically put him in Celestial/cosmic abstract levels.

You should read the debate. giggles ~

You think I just came in and read only your post and replied to it?

@Assman said:

@Alyssabird said:

@Assman said:

@Alyssabird said:

People tend to under estimate Rune King Thor's power; far to much. Also, they tend to over-power Galactus; whom is NOT an abstract, he gets way to much lee-way in forums. Once you study a myriad of Marvel characters you begin realizing Galactus simply cannot contend with Rune King Thor; especially the level we are talking about. It just isn't logical or plausible. I hope this debate solidifies this; that was my intentions from the beginning. Do not disregard the power of Rune King Thor; in this thread, I defended the under-dog and humiliated Galactus; seemingly have some out on top. Hopefully people are more respectful towards Rune King Thor now.

I think it's quite the opposite, actually, you over estimate him, a little too much. I love him, think he's definately the most powerfull version and all, but doesn't automatically put him in Celestial/cosmic abstract levels.

You should read the debate. giggles ~

You think I just came in and read only your post and replied to it?

If you read the debate you would see why your comment was completely flawed. I de-bunked all of that.

@Alyssabird said:

@Assman said:

@Alyssabird said:

@Assman said:

@Alyssabird said:

People tend to under estimate Rune King Thor's power; far to much. Also, they tend to over-power Galactus; whom is NOT an abstract, he gets way to much lee-way in forums. Once you study a myriad of Marvel characters you begin realizing Galactus simply cannot contend with Rune King Thor; especially the level we are talking about. It just isn't logical or plausible. I hope this debate solidifies this; that was my intentions from the beginning. Do not disregard the power of Rune King Thor; in this thread, I defended the under-dog and humiliated Galactus; seemingly have some out on top. Hopefully people are more respectful towards Rune King Thor now.

I think it's quite the opposite, actually, you over estimate him, a little too much. I love him, think he's definately the most powerfull version and all, but doesn't automatically put him in Celestial/cosmic abstract levels.

You should read the debate. giggles ~

You think I just came in and read only your post and replied to it?

If you read the debate you would see why your comment was completely flawed. I de-bunked all of that.

Sounds like your the only person who believes that and that RLT is above Celstials and Galactus in general. I haven't read you debunking anything, only your opinion and interpretation of certain events ;-)

Thor owns.

@Assman@dondave : If you boys can bring up reasons why, I'll be glad to do to you what I did to killemall :3

@Alyssabird said:

@Assman@dondave : If you boys can bring up reasons why, I'll be glad to do to you what I did to killemall :3

Do to Killermall?? The only thing you've done to killermall is in your head, imo ;-)

@Assman said:

@Alyssabird said:

@Assman@dondave : If you boys can bring up reasons why, I'll be glad to do to you what I did to killemall :3

Do to Killermall?? The only thing you've done to killermall is in your head, imo ;-)

I've been getting responses that I've humiliated him. :3 So, the doors open. You guys can start. Do not cover anything we have covered already.

Could you stop being rude to everyone you debate with? Seriously.

@Dredeuced said:

Could you stop being rude to everyone you debate with? Seriously.

Ask him not to be rude during out debate. If you look at it, it was he who started with the ignorance. Should I link you?

It isn't just this thread. It's every debate you ever take part in with regards to Thor. There's no reason for you to go on constantly about how you think your fellow debaters are stupid and how great you are and how you humiliate them constantly and the constant spamming of "LOLPWNED" everytime you or someone else makes an argument in your favor and dozens of other instances. Exercise a little etiquette, even if they disagree with you.

@Dredeuced said:

It isn't just this thread. It's every debate you ever take part in with regards to Thor. There's no reason for you to go on constantly about how you think your fellow debaters are stupid and how great you are and how you humiliate them constantly and the constant spamming of "LOLPWNED" everytime you or someone else makes an argument in your favor and dozens of other instances. Exercise a little etiquette, even if they disagree with you.

He began laughing for no apparent reason; targeting me for humerous reasons only known to him, and I began getting pms telling me to not let him talk to me like that. He didn't answer anything from then on forth. I am merely giving him a taste of what he gave me :3 So now we're even.

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhh! Thor wins because Galactus looses.

@Alyssabird said:

@Dredeuced said:

It isn't just this thread. It's every debate you ever take part in with regards to Thor. There's no reason for you to go on constantly about how you think your fellow debaters are stupid and how great you are and how you humiliate them constantly and the constant spamming of "LOLPWNED" everytime you or someone else makes an argument in your favor and dozens of other instances. Exercise a little etiquette, even if they disagree with you.

He began laughing for no apparent reason; targeting me for humerous reasons only known to him, and I began getting pms telling me to not let him talk to me like that. He didn't answer anything from then on forth. I am merely giving him a taste of what he gave me :3 So now we're even.

Like I said, it isn't just this thread. It's all the time. I'm sincerely asking you to be nicer and a bit more respectful. You don't have to heed it, I suppose, but it'd be nice if you did.

@Dredeuced said:

@Alyssabird said:

@Dredeuced said:

It isn't just this thread. It's every debate you ever take part in with regards to Thor. There's no reason for you to go on constantly about how you think your fellow debaters are stupid and how great you are and how you humiliate them constantly and the constant spamming of "LOLPWNED" everytime you or someone else makes an argument in your favor and dozens of other instances. Exercise a little etiquette, even if they disagree with you.

He began laughing for no apparent reason; targeting me for humerous reasons only known to him, and I began getting pms telling me to not let him talk to me like that. He didn't answer anything from then on forth. I am merely giving him a taste of what he gave me :3 So now we're even.

Like I said, it isn't just this thread. It's all the time. I'm sincerely asking you to be nicer and a bit more respectful. You don't have to heed it, I suppose, but it'd be nice if you did.

I have been in countless debates, and nobody has said anything ignorant until he responded. I am merely defending myself. Also, you're right, I don't need to heed it; nor do I have to be nice when people are being rude to me. Please, stay on topic and stop populating this thread with un-needed responses.

I realize that ABC logic rarely works for the sake of forum battles, but....

I seem to remember Dr Strange (at classic levels) taking out the In-Betweener. The only reason I seem to remember the In-Betweener losing that fight to Galactus (Silver Surfer 18) was because of the help he received from the Elder Gods and the Silver Surfer, who with a combined blast, were able to push the IB back into his own universe where Order and Chaos dealt with him quickly.

Classic Dr Strange, on the other hand, I seem to remember being bested on a few occasions (like 2) by Thor in terms of magical prowess. I don't think it's a stretch to say that Rune King Thor is at least equal to classic Dr Strange in terms of magical prowess...I mean an argument could at least be implied no?

The recent confrontation between Odin and Galactus in Mighty Thor 4 seemed to indicate they were not that far from one another in power (notwithstanding Galactus' weakened state...he still had enough juice to face Odin). Odin, on the other hand is a legitimate galaxy buster.

If we are looking for a comparison of just feats only, then Galactus should prove superior. If we are examining this fight from the stand point of implied power, and considering the power ups given by the OP (aside from Warrior's Madness, which there really ARE no feats for...), I don't see any reason why Rune King Thor would not be a legitimate threat to a fully fed Galactus.

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Also could you please stay off the debate unless you're going to side with either RKT or Galactus. It's a heated debate and we are currently in the process of discussing our characters. So please don't flare it with un-needed responses.

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No.

Drdueced is merely here to cause problems, so everybody please ignore him.