that has nothing to do with anything, Celestials are also alien people, Legion is also a mere human mortal who beated several Elder Gods. Proemial Gods are...well...Gods who are seemingly weaker than Galactus.
that has nothing to do with anything, Celestials are also alien people, Legion is also a mere human mortal who beated several Elder Gods. Proemial Gods are...well...Gods who are seemingly weaker than Galactus.
Legion beaten the "Elder Gods" that have already had their powers vanquished from them by Demogordge, remember? All their powers were spoursed throughout the universe before Demogorged returned to the Sun to sleep. So those "Elder Gods" had little power in them in the Dimension of Limbo. Remember Thor with the help of the New Mutants team banished Juggernaut into the Limbo Dimension and Juggernaut defeated all of those Elder Gods with super ease and became King of Limbo for a time until he got bored and left back to Earth.
When Juggernaut entered Limbo, HE DEFEATED ALL OF THE ELDER GODS and became KING of that dimension.
they are both Devourers, i start to think maybe i should have made this topic : "eating contest"
no seriously, what evidence do you have to put Atum above Galactus?
I'm not sure why he wins, I've read on the internet that he is more powerful then Elder gods, he defeated Set twice, Chthon ran away from him, and I think that Chaos King became that powerful after he absorbed Atum's power.
When Mikaboshi used Demogorge's power in Chaos War, Galactus was no match for Chaos King.
What? Demogorge was dead in that moment already. He later - off panel - came back to life and was killed again by Thor.
@7am_Waking_Up_In_The_Morning said:
@the_mighty_Beyonder said:
@7am_Waking_Up_In_The_Morning said:
Atum is an Elder God
Galactus is an alien man cursed to demigodhood.
that has nothing to do with anything, Celestials are also alien people, Legion is also a mere human mortal who beated several Elder Gods. Proemial Gods are...well...Gods who are seemingly weaker than Galactus.
Legion beaten the "Elder Gods" that have already had their powers vanquished from them by Demogordge, remember? All their powers were spoursed throughout the universe before Demogorged returned to the Sun to sleep. So those "Elder Gods" had little power in them in the Dimension of Limbo. Remember Thor with the help of the New Mutants team banished Juggernaut into the Limbo Dimension and Juggernaut defeated all of those Elder Gods with super ease and became King of Limbo for a time until he got bored and left back to Earth.
When Juggernaut entered Limbo, HE DEFEATED ALL OF THE ELDER GODS and became KING of that dimension.
These Elder Gods were in full power even while we don't know them. No one said that they were ones that were killed by Demogorge. And it doesn't matter at all, Odin is a god and his point was that human can kill god. Legion in universal buster and he can take Odin and Demogorge with wave of his hand. This pic isn't from Limbo. Thor BFRd Juggy to some asteroid, so Juggernaut never defeated any Elder God. And New Mutants didn't help him, these were New Warriors.
no Thor didn't kill Atum, that was a low showing but it didn't end by killing Atum, the proof is that he appeared after that in other story arcs.
in the other hand i don't remember any in-panel that show Demogorge being absorbed by Mikaboshi, but it maybe true since Mikaboshi absorbed almost all the universe.
BTW: i see in this thread, arguments that try to prove Atum is superior. but no one of Galactus defenders has brought the slightest proof.
I always thought Atum was somewhere between the Skyfathers and Galactus, right in the middle. I saw him as better than any one skyfather. I don't think he can do much to Galactus, who can teleport him away. I say Galactus, but I don't think it would exactly be EASY for him. I think a very well fed Galactus would have no issues at all, but Casual or recently eaten planet buffed Galactus would definitely sustain damage.
no Thor didn't kill Atum, that was a low showing but it didn't end by killing Atum, the proof is that he appeared after that in other story arcs.
in the other hand i don't remember any in-panel that show Demogorge being absorbed by Mikaboshi, but it maybe true since Mikaboshi absorbed almost all the universe.
BTW: i see in this thread, arguments that try to prove Atum is superior. but no one of Galactus defenders has brought the slightest proof.
1.I can look for scan in which Thor is telling Tanarus (Ulik) that he killed Demogorge. 2.Where he was shown after that? 3.Demogorge was killed by Sl'Gur't and she later was killed by Mikaboshi. There was nothing about the absorbtion of his dead body. 4.Because they don't feel they need to show anything actually. I would base my opinion on fights with Tyrant, In-Betweener, Scrier&The Other, Mad Celestials, Odin, Thanos, Sphinx or Elders of Universe. Demogorge doesn't have that many fights behind him and he is actually limited to win with group of Hell-Lords, fight with Set and appearances in God Squad, Hulk vs. Hercules and current Thor. In GS he lost, but mostly due to context. In HvsH he shown to be afraid of attacking whole Olympus on hi own. And in Thor he died.
@czarny_samael666: All those Hell-Lords were out of their realms when they faced the God-Eater , so his so called "good performance" against them becomes invalid as well .
@czarny_samael666: Chaos did absorb everything and everyone Dead when Death left her realm to hide in mortal world.
But Mikaboshi never used Demogorge'a powers. He was wrong or tried to shown it in different way it actually was shown. @Hyper_God said:
@czarny_samael666: All those Hell-Lords were out of their realms when they faced the God-Eater , so his so called "good performance" against them becomes invalid as well .
I wouldn't be so harsh for that feat, but yeah it is often misinterpreted.
@czarny_samael666: Hell-Lords are around Thanos-level characters in terms of their power scales , when out of their realms . Its not even remotely as impressive as its made out to be on the battle forums .
It's in stark contrast to someone, like say Arch-Enemy , who was pulverizing those demon lords within their own realms and evenly fought millions of such nigh-omnipotent beings in a dimension that was composed from all the hellish realms possessed by every Hell-Lord in existence .
@czarny_samael666: Hell-Lords are around Thanos-level characters in terms of their power scales , when out of their realms . Its not even remotely as impressive as its made out to be on the battle forums .
It's in stark contrast to someone, like say Arch-Enemy , who was pulverizing those demon lords within their own realms and evenly fought millions of such nigh-omnipotent beings in a dimension that was composed from all the hellish realms possessed by every Hell-Lord in existence .
@Hyper_God: @czarny_samael666: no need to bring scans, i know exactly what's written in it. but it's not a clear proof, Thor said he killed him, but nothing in panel show a clear proof to that. and why i say he wsn't killed is that :
1/ Thor is nowhere close in power to Atum, they even had a fight before and Thor was pathetic in that fight. Demogorge is the strongest of Elder Gods, Thor is only a weak God. he can't kill him.
2/ Demogorge was shown healthy and alive in events after Tanarus story, so that's a clear proof he didn't kill him.
@the_mighty_Beyonder: Please point out these events in which the Demogorge was shown to be "healthy and alive" , as they seem to have escaped my notice . References to comic book issue numbers would be expected as well .
@Hyper_God: @czarny_samael666: no need to bring scans, i know exactly what's written in it. but it's not a clear proof, Thor said he killed him, but nothing in panel show a clear proof to that. and why i say he wsn't killed is that :
1/ Thor is nowhere close in power to Atum, they even had a fight before and Thor was pathetic in that fight. Demogorge is the strongest of Elder Gods, Thor is only a weak God. he can't kill him.
2/ Demogorge was shown healthy and alive in events after Tanarus story, so that's a clear proof he didn't kill him.
1.Yes, he can kill him in way he did in Mighty Thor. Thor isn't a weak god, he is son of Eldeg Godess and Skyfather. And Demogorge isn't actually Elder God, he is like Thor her son. 2.Where?
oupsi my bad my bad, i missed up the timeline, i just checked to make sure, indeed, Atum's last appearance is Tanarus arc.
but doesn't make sense, Atum was killed in Sacred Invasion, and it was stated in Mighty Avengers that he was dead (tht's why Chthon started to come back to earth) but he appears after that in Tanarus arc? i'm lost.
@the_mighty_Beyonder: Fraction wrote The Mighty Thor # 12 . Don't expect him to know the histories of these characters . After all , he is the same guy who retconned the circumstances surrounding Bor's death merely to shoehorn the Serpent into the Odinfamily's timeline .
Plus he had Karnilla one-shot the Silver Surfer , which doesn't make any sense considering their past interaction . He also thought that turning the Surfer into human and stranding him on Earth was some cool new development , even though similar scenarios have played out in the past .
@czarny_samael666: Mighty Thor 12 was Atum's last appearance before Marvel Now
Thanks I thought so.
@the_mighty_Beyonder said:
@czarny_samael666: @Hyper_God: @Killemall:
oupsi my bad my bad, i missed up the timeline, i just checked to make sure, indeed, Atum's last appearance is Tanarus arc.
but doesn't make sense, Atum was killed in Sacred Invasion, and it was stated in Mighty Avengers that he was dead (tht's why Chthon started to come back to earth) but he appears after that in Tanarus arc? i'm lost.
Chthon came back becase of THAT? Where was it stated? I don't recall anything like that... If Chaos War happened after Chthon's attack it isn't that stupid, since Hercules bring back people who died before CW IIRC (but I am not sure).
@Hyper_God said:
@the_mighty_Beyonder: Fraction wrote The Mighty Thor # 12 . Don't expect him to know the histories of these characters . After all , he is the same guy who retconned the circumstances surrounding Bor's death merely to shoehorn the Serpent into the Odinfamily's timeline .
Plus he had Karnilla one-shot the Silver Surfer , which doesn't make any sense considering their past interaction . He also thought that turning the Surfer into human and stranding him on Earth was some cool new development , even though similar scenarios have played out in the past .
1.Look above. 2.Silver Surfer was weakned during Galactus' Seed.
oupsi my bad my bad, i missed up the timeline, i just checked to make sure, indeed, Atum's last appearance is Tanarus arc.
but doesn't make sense, Atum was killed in Sacred Invasion, and it was stated in Mighty Avengers that he was dead (tht's why Chthon started to come back to earth) but he appears after that in Tanarus arc? i'm lost.
Chthon was kept in check because of Atum, however, Atum CANT die... (Only set into recovery mode) When Slgurt was thought to have killed Demogorge, she was eaten by him and while she was struggling to get out, she absorbed his powers that he had collected to become Demogorge and exploded Demogorge's physical body and came out free... However, after she was freed with Demo's power, Mikaboshi sought of this instant as an opportunity and absorbed her. So Mikaboshi already had the power of both Demogorge AND Slgurt. He kept this Secret for some time continuing on as part of the God Squad. But at the end of God Squad, he started secretly devouring other pantheons and staking his powers to great degrees! This triggered the Chaos War and Mikaboshi was revealed as the Chaos King. He was absorbing everyone and later used Nightmare's powers to enslave Eternity's mind that he was Oblivion ~His "Other half". Eternity and Death then allowed Chaos King to continue absorbing the rest of the "Multiverse" (although it seemed more like the story was concentrating on one universe).
Anyway, Galactus would lose to Mikaboshi. He would also lose against Nightmare, and lastly, he would lose to a full powered (not base powered) Demogorge.
Galactus can't even beat Chthon
Let's say that even if Galactus was fed to the point of being content (not full)... How can he make up for his energy loss during the battle? He would get weaker through time, the duration of the battle, as Demogorge gets stronger as he absorbs Galactus' energy attacks.
Well, What if they fought hand to hand?
Demogorge is a fighter in par if not better than Thor and Hercules; Galactus isn't a fighter at all. (Although he did use a few haymakers against a recovering In-Betweener)
Thor killed Demogorge:
Not really, Demogorge was just recently released after the end of the Chaos War, so that means he can die twice???? How does he come back? Simple, he doesn't die at all. When his physical representation of himself is damage, he goes into a recover mode. However, when Galactus dies (and he has.... ALOT OF TIMES). He's ether replaced by another one from a different time or universe or is saved by restoring the time line before his death. After all, there is an entire Multiverse of Galacti. Funny though, how it took an out-of-character Thor to incapacitate an Elder God by going inside of him and beating the crap out of its heart while Galactus has died by nuclear bombs, having a stroke, getting the energy zapped away from him instantly, starvation, getting warped out of existence, plus a lot more which some people might argue as PIS.... Well, isn't Demogorge losing to Thor because he has a heart PIS too? Well... more like WIS because an Elder God shouldn't have a heart to begin with. ELDER GODS ARE ETHEREAL BEINGS!!! They HAVE NO HEART!
Anyway, so this is now closer to a stalemate, but became Galactus has the handicap of weakening due time while Demogorge doesn't, I will have to give this to Demogorge.
^^^ (1st paragraph) *Actually Mikaboshi didn't absorb her because he couldn't absorb yet, but he transferred his consciousness into Slgurt and basically took over her body and power as she was about to absorb Mikaboshi.
@7am_Waking_Up_In_The_Morning: 1.Show me scans that are saying that Sl'Gur't absorbed Demogorge's powers. Similar about Mikaboshi and Sl'Gur't. 2.What proves that: Chthon > Galactus; Nightmare > Galactus; Mikaboshi (at level in which he was before Chaos War) > Galactus? 3.Demogorge isn't immortal. Nothing proves that. 4.Galactus don't have to be skilled. Seriously, what kind of argument is that Thor > Galactus in fighting skills? 5.He comeback because: writers forgot he was dead/Hercules bring him back like he did with Olymp 6.Demogorge isn't Elder God. 7.Can You prove that there is no other Demogorge in multiverse?
@7am_Waking_Up_In_The_Morning: 1.Show me scans that are saying that Sl'Gur't absorbed Demogorge's powers. Similar about Mikaboshi and Sl'Gur't. 2.What proves that: Chthon > Galactus; Nightmare > Galactus; Mikaboshi (at level in which he was before Chaos War) > Galactus?3.Demogorge isn't immortal. Nothing proves that.4.Galactus don't have to be skilled. Seriously, what kind of argument is that Thor > Galactus in fighting skills? 5.He comeback because: writers forgot he was dead/Hercules bring him back like he did with Olymp 6.Demogorge isn't Elder God. 7.Can You prove that there is no other Demogorge in multiverse?
actually Demogorge is called Elder god, it was stated in comics, i just read one in Mighty Avengers Sacred Invasion arc. anyway i'm just nitpicking.
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