Galactus Team vs SMP Team

Odin/ Dormammu/ Galactus (Eats 4 planets)

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VS

Monarch/ SBP/ SMP

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slight team 1

*sigh* mismatch.......again

team 1 even easier

Team 1.

Galactose beats both teams

rather team one

Team 1 MurderStomps

It is a draw at best for team 1. Since killing monarch would produce a universe busting explosion that would kill all of them

@chimeroid: actually galactus has already tanked universal explosion,and i wouldn't put it past dormannu surviving that aswell

I guess draw then

It wouldnt be that much of a stomp on team one for them to take literally no dmg before they kill Monarch, he is uber strong. So they would have been damaged and we dont know exactly how strong Monarch explosion is. You are right, they would have a chance to survive, but would most likely die from the boom since SMP and Monarch would be able to deal dmg to them

@chimeroid: not really SMP and SBP have no buisness being here, we have 3 people on team one which can casually destroy mutiple galaxies, odin can stop time, they are so much more versatile and monarch can't even beat any of team 1 1v1. He would lose to all of them 1v1

Team 1 effortlessly

@chimeroid: If Superman Prime survived that explosion and people say Odin Galactus and Dormammu would kill Superman prime then the team would survive that easily

Team 1

This should be locked

@lettsplay10: First off, "people say" is not a valid argument. Secondly Odin and Dormammu do not have feats to indicate they would survive that.

getting swayed

@chimeroid:

Actually, Odin has casually manipulated energies that were powerful enough to destroy the Multiverse.

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Team 1 absolutely curbstomps.

Any member of team 1 could probably solo.

I don't recall anyone in team 2 having any TP resistance feats.

Team 1 annihilates.

@laylah@killemall

@chimeroid: @eternityx:

Dormammu is no slouch either. IIRC, he created his own Universe and a bunch of Skyfathers.

He's also given Eternity a beating in the past.

Anyone in team 1 solos.

This is where I prove that you're wrong.

Anyway, let's go to Strange Tales#146 and see the first battle between Dormammu and Eternity:

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Dormammu's power was enough to rip the fabric of Eternity and destroy all his substance. This means the entire universe.

But......Where's the durability feat? Doctor Strange#172:

Dormammu's spell used on Eternity ricocheted back to him and I already showed it was powerful enough to destroy Eternity's substance. We still aren't finished though.

Dormammu took one attack launched by Eternity with sufficient power to destroy all the existence after getting hit by said spell:

And there's more things:

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He was only banished and still had enough power to one-shoot two of the most dangerous and fearsome demons. All without any scratch.

He had Eternity's power during this.

@laylah said:

@chimeroid said:

@lettsplay10: First off, "people say" is not a valid argument. Secondly Odin and Dormammu do not have feats to indicate they would survive that.

This is where I prove that you're wrong.

Anyway, let's go to Strange Tales#146 and see the first battle between Dormammu and Eternity:

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Dormammu's power was enough to rip the fabric of Eternity and destroy all his substance. This means the entire universe.

But......Where's the durability feat? Strange Tales#172:

Dormammu's spell used on Eternity ricocheted back to him and I already showed it was powerful enough to destroy Eternity's substance. We still aren't finished though.

Dormammu took one attack launched by Eternity with sufficient power to destroy all the existence after getting hit by said spell:

And there's more things:

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He was only banished and still had enough power to one-shoot two of the most dangerous and fearsome demons. All without any scratch.

Omg. You're good at this. Anyway, I'll go with team one. To back up my statement, I simply say Odin and Dormammu stomps. lol

Every of team 1 can solo.

@rocketraccoonthingy: All of Team 1 stomp

@laylah: You are actually taking hyperbolic statement literally, also I am not too sure where you are getting the "fabric of eternity" means the whole universe. Thor did exactly that with his hammer too. You also seem to think the energy blast was somehow universe destroying when it merely says "which seems to shred very fabric of existence". That's pretty clearly a hyperbole to be honest when it considers the light coming from the blast as "a flash of light brighter than a thousand suns". Those statement aren't normally taken literally.

I agree with the rest.

Not sure why I was tagged into this O_o

Yup. That's why I agree with laylah. :-DDDDD

@killemall:

Do you think any member of team 1 could solo?

Team one slaughterhouses

I don't normally, but I was referring to the substanceof Eternity when I said ''The Fabric of Eternity'' and for the artwork we can see the universe crumble or at very least Eternity's dimension.

The same statement was used again on Doctor Strange#172( Funny enough my collection was written Strange Tales#172 and now I noticed, so I apologize for putting the wrong name):

Different writers. Same statement.

I don't know why ''A flash of light brighter than a thousand suns'' makes this an hyperbole and not a way of emphasize too. This doesn't take away the description of the blast and his power as the very fact he could be carrying this level of firepower.

@eisenfauste@themagicstik@theclassicion@termiteone4ever@kingant27

@saren @god_spawn @sc @jedixman

Mismatch 3 high tier near universal beings vs 2 heralds and monarch isn't powerful enough to carry his team vs odin,dormannu and galactus

@laylah: I will let your debate takes its normal course with the other user but I do not agree on the description of substance of eternity. We clearly know Eternity, as he appeared in the said story, wasn't occupying the whole universe. It does not appear to be powerful enough to destroy the universe as a whole. Not to mention we see Dormammu standing besides Eternity, as he manifests, more than once in the story and Dormammu seem smaller by only a small margin. The same is true for Dr. Strange when he stood besides Eternity in the earlier story, The Quest for Eternity. Given the size in which Eternity's body was shown, I do not think the substance of Eternity that is shown being disintegrated in the story was a representation of the whole universe.

@killemall: Also......Isn't Eternity from Defenders Vol.3 and Strange Tales#146 the same?

Since he recognized Dormammu:

This would make Dormammu's feat even more impressive since he said Eternity has universes being born inside:

Of course.....Dormammu's bio says ''Universal Embodiment'', but even then....

@claymore1998: Does it matter if he was occupying the whole universe? Eternity IS the manifestation of the universe itself and sometimes even more.

We also saw the planets and everything else being disintegrated..........

EDIT: Also, now I noticed that in scans of Defenders.Vol 3 Eternity wasn't show as having ''universal-size'' or more, but according to Dormammu this doesn't change he has universes inisde.

First off, no one here convinced me that team 1 can react to speed of light blitc attack with reality ripping punches. And i am still not convinced thez would survive Monarchs death

Eternity might be the manifestation of the universe his body isnt always the whole universe. Remember how travels to a real outside space and time to find a microcosm of the universe inside it, which wakes up as Eternity. He was for the story, at the point, just a mere manifestation. His manifestation wasn't linked to the universe anyways. In fact at the time the story was written Eternity is never called the manifestation of universe as far as i recall.

We see planets being disintegrated I am not doubting that. But few planets compare to the destruction of universe are on 2 completely different scales. Nothing there seem to suggest the universe itself was going to be destroyed.

That's a very different time period. Eternity's power and prowess changes based on the writers. If you are going to take Defenders Vol 3 as a benchmark, Eternity at the times was too powerful to even notice Dormammu, which makes Dormammu even harming eternity unlikely, let alone threaten to destroy the whole universe as you put it out.

The whole "threaten" the universe assumes that Dormammu was a genuine threat to Eternity when that clearly does not appear to be the case.

Galactcus kills team two while odin and dormammu drink tea and play chess.

Team 1 slaughters.

Eternity might be the manifestation of the universe his body isnt always the whole universe. Remember how travels to a real outside space and time to find a microcosm of the universe inside it, which wakes up as Eternity. He was for the story, at the point, just a mere manifestation. His manifestation wasn't linked to the universe anyways. In fact at the time the story was written Eternity is never called the manifestation of universe as far as i recall.

According to Dormammu bio from the Handbook, Eternity was an ''Universal Embodiment'', so it's pretty much stabilized.

Even though, Defenders.Vol 3 shown that Eternity is the same thing even being a manifestation on a different dimension.

We see planets being disintegrated I am not doubting that. But few planets compare to the destruction of universe are on 2 completely different scales. Nothing there seem to suggest the universe itself was going to be destroyed.

They're ''Micro-Planets'' going by your logic since they came from Eternity.

We have: The artwork and Stephen's quote.

That's a very different time period. Eternity's power and prowess changes based on the writers. If you are going to take Defenders Vol 3 as a benchmark, Eternity at the times was too powerful to even notice Dormammu, which makes Dormammu even harming eternity unlikely, let alone threaten to destroy the whole universe as you put it out.

The whole "threaten" the universe assumes that Dormammu was a genuine threat to Eternity when that clearly does not appear to be the case.

So? Clay....We have a direct reference to Strange Tales#146 of the same Eternity and you even said about the whole distinction between ''Classic Strange and ''Modern Strange''. Are we going to create a ''Classic Dormammu'' and a ''Modern Dormammu'' now? The period does not matter and the whole incident was retconned to be more then.

What happened on Defenders Vol.3 don't take away what happened during Strange Tales#146..... Dormammu had to amp himself to defeat Eternity during Defenders Vol. 3, which I never said he could do it alone.

Eternity already shown to be arrogant before, so we can't have much trust on it.

Moreover, there's nothing indicating that Dormammu couldn't harm Eternity....Defeat is different, but there's nothing mentioned not being able to harm. Dormammu was easily dispatching Giraud, who saved Eternity.

Before you say that Dormammu was amped.....It isn't like you're thinking.

There is no "classic strange".

Dr Strange remained the same over the years.